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		<title>By: asuffield</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/23/mathematically-model.html#comment-524801</link>
		<dc:creator>asuffield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There doesn&#039;t appear to be a link to the paper here, so I can&#039;t actually judge it, but there is nothing new in these articles. Everything described here is stuff I first heard in a presentation being given to students in the 1990s (when they tell stuff to students, it&#039;s no longer a new development, it&#039;s something everybody in the field knows).

What exactly is supposed to have happened here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There doesn&#8217;t appear to be a link to the paper here, so I can&#8217;t actually judge it, but there is nothing new in these articles. Everything described here is stuff I first heard in a presentation being given to students in the 1990s (when they tell stuff to students, it&#8217;s no longer a new development, it&#8217;s something everybody in the field knows).</p>
<p>What exactly is supposed to have happened here?</p>
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		<title>By: videomilitia</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/23/mathematically-model.html#comment-525057</link>
		<dc:creator>videomilitia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I experience this one everyday between La Brea and La Cienega on the 10 in Los Angeles.  It seems to me that a major factor to reduce this would be to close down some of the existing onramps allowing more traffic to exit than to enter.  Traffic always picks up after La Cienega because there aren&#039;t as many onramps and less turns in the freeway itself.  SCIENTISTS PLEASE HELP BY BUILDING A MODEL OF LA TRAFFIC!!! PLEASE!!!  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I experience this one everyday between La Brea and La Cienega on the 10 in Los Angeles.  It seems to me that a major factor to reduce this would be to close down some of the existing onramps allowing more traffic to exit than to enter.  Traffic always picks up after La Cienega because there aren&#8217;t as many onramps and less turns in the freeway itself.  SCIENTISTS PLEASE HELP BY BUILDING A MODEL OF LA TRAFFIC!!! PLEASE!!!  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: sopekmir</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/23/mathematically-model.html#comment-524808</link>
		<dc:creator>sopekmir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well ...

we have phantom traffic jams without solitons or jamitons - just go to &quot;PÃ©riphÃ©rique&quot; in Paris, or, closer to my heart, try to get to Warsaw airport from south on Monday morning :-)

In more serious mood: years ago I was shocked by the solitons and the implications of them - solitary or self-organizing wave patterns. But this math of jamitons is quite intriguing.

Cory - do you have any URL with papers or, maybe just more mathematical details?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8230;</p>
<p>we have phantom traffic jams without solitons or jamitons &#8211; just go to &#8220;PÃ©riphÃ©rique&#8221; in Paris, or, closer to my heart, try to get to Warsaw airport from south on Monday morning :-)</p>
<p>In more serious mood: years ago I was shocked by the solitons and the implications of them &#8211; solitary or self-organizing wave patterns. But this math of jamitons is quite intriguing.</p>
<p>Cory &#8211; do you have any URL with papers or, maybe just more mathematical details?</p>
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		<title>By: prunk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/23/mathematically-model.html#comment-524812</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about this a while ago when a relative asked, &quot;when there is a line of stopped cars why can&#039;t they all start accelerating at the same rate?&quot; Ideally all of the cars would press down on the gas at the same time (assuming the cars will all be capable of accelerating at the same rate). But the problem really is that speed of communication. Each driver will respond an instance after the driver in front of them has and thus this build up of accumulated responses hits the drivers further on much later than the first driver has already started. 
Ideally I would think though that for the slowing down of a car in the front, or at least just a temporary slow and then resuming the original speed if each car did leave two car lengths between and then just reduced it to maybe one car length while waiting for the other car to accelerate again then the variation of speed would be eaten up by these buffers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about this a while ago when a relative asked, &#8220;when there is a line of stopped cars why can&#8217;t they all start accelerating at the same rate?&#8221; Ideally all of the cars would press down on the gas at the same time (assuming the cars will all be capable of accelerating at the same rate). But the problem really is that speed of communication. Each driver will respond an instance after the driver in front of them has and thus this build up of accumulated responses hits the drivers further on much later than the first driver has already started.<br />
Ideally I would think though that for the slowing down of a car in the front, or at least just a temporary slow and then resuming the original speed if each car did leave two car lengths between and then just reduced it to maybe one car length while waiting for the other car to accelerate again then the variation of speed would be eaten up by these buffers. </p>
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		<title>By: NotACat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/23/mathematically-model.html#comment-525587</link>
		<dc:creator>NotACat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure I recall reading about this in SciAm years ago. I see that Traffic Waves site refers to articles in various places as far back as 1993, which sounds about right.

What&#039;s amazing is that this is not a new phenomenon, and we &lt;b&gt;still&lt;/b&gt; don&#039;t have it whipped...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure I recall reading about this in SciAm years ago. I see that Traffic Waves site refers to articles in various places as far back as 1993, which sounds about right.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s amazing is that this is not a new phenomenon, and we <b>still</b> don&#8217;t have it whipped&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ergo, there you sit, stuck in traffic and have no idea that the jam has no external cause, your blood pressure racing toward the stratosphere.&quot;

Why is it, exactly, that we need to know the cause of us having to slow down? Is that somehow supposed to affect the fact that we &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to slow down? It&#039;s pointless to get frustrated about traffic patterns. Knowing why we&#039;re in a traffic jam doesn&#039;t alter the fact that we are in a jam. Is being pissy about it going to make it better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ergo, there you sit, stuck in traffic and have no idea that the jam has no external cause, your blood pressure racing toward the stratosphere.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is it, exactly, that we need to know the cause of us having to slow down? Is that somehow supposed to affect the fact that we <i>have</i> to slow down? It&#8217;s pointless to get frustrated about traffic patterns. Knowing why we&#8217;re in a traffic jam doesn&#8217;t alter the fact that we are in a jam. Is being pissy about it going to make it better?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that&#039;s always amazed me about traffic is how it can be modeled by particles, as shown in the youtube video. But in the case of traffic, each particle is controlled by a powerful computer, the human brain. Even with all that power, the cars still act like particles, with no brain whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that&#8217;s always amazed me about traffic is how it can be modeled by particles, as shown in the youtube video. But in the case of traffic, each particle is controlled by a powerful computer, the human brain. Even with all that power, the cars still act like particles, with no brain whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Umbriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umbriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11 -- &quot;Rubbernecking&quot; or &quot;Gaper Delay&quot; exacerbates the communication problem you refer to, in that drivers are late to notice when traffic opens up ahead of them if they&#039;re gaping at an accident, or even just pulled over cars or emergency vehicles at the side of the road or in oncoming lanes.

It&#039;s a point of pride for me that I do _not_ slow down to look at such things unless there are exposed flames over three feet high, or body parts in my lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@11 &#8212; &#8220;Rubbernecking&#8221; or &#8220;Gaper Delay&#8221; exacerbates the communication problem you refer to, in that drivers are late to notice when traffic opens up ahead of them if they&#8217;re gaping at an accident, or even just pulled over cars or emergency vehicles at the side of the road or in oncoming lanes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a point of pride for me that I do _not_ slow down to look at such things unless there are exposed flames over three feet high, or body parts in my lane.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this sort of stuff.  A year ago I saw some excellent .gif animations that showed traffic patterns and merging situations and was to clear jams, if only I could remember the link.

There are ways to &#039;bust&#039; phantom traffic jams, and in response to ANON#4, those people living 15 car lengths ahead of them are the ones that are going to clear the jam.  One person won&#039;t clear the jam, but they speed up its reduction.

Much in the way Phrunk mentioned with everyone having two car lengths ahead and closing to 1 as they accelerated being a solution, having one person with lots of space does two things, lets the cars in the jam move forward, letting the wave move forward with no new cars to keep it standing still, and lets/forces more aggressive drivers move in front of them , reducing the people that will feed behind them.  

It works even better in a rolling blockade situation, sometimes done by coordinated truckers or by cops.  If the jam is slowing everyone down to 20mph, if you approach it from a few miles away, block all lanes with cops/truckers, slow to 50 or 40 or whatever it takes, by the time the front line blockers reach the jam it should have cleared entirely, they can then slowly speed up to normal speeds.  The slow down at 40mph will dissipate much faster than the 20mph jam.  

Of course that requires only moderate traffic levels and some planning.  It is cheaper than building wider roads though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this sort of stuff.  A year ago I saw some excellent .gif animations that showed traffic patterns and merging situations and was to clear jams, if only I could remember the link.</p>
<p>There are ways to &#8216;bust&#8217; phantom traffic jams, and in response to ANON#4, those people living 15 car lengths ahead of them are the ones that are going to clear the jam.  One person won&#8217;t clear the jam, but they speed up its reduction.</p>
<p>Much in the way Phrunk mentioned with everyone having two car lengths ahead and closing to 1 as they accelerated being a solution, having one person with lots of space does two things, lets the cars in the jam move forward, letting the wave move forward with no new cars to keep it standing still, and lets/forces more aggressive drivers move in front of them , reducing the people that will feed behind them.  </p>
<p>It works even better in a rolling blockade situation, sometimes done by coordinated truckers or by cops.  If the jam is slowing everyone down to 20mph, if you approach it from a few miles away, block all lanes with cops/truckers, slow to 50 or 40 or whatever it takes, by the time the front line blockers reach the jam it should have cleared entirely, they can then slowly speed up to normal speeds.  The slow down at 40mph will dissipate much faster than the 20mph jam.  </p>
<p>Of course that requires only moderate traffic levels and some planning.  It is cheaper than building wider roads though!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very disturbed to read a study a year ago that stated that most traffic jams are caused by one bad driver, often a left lane hogger. The best idea I&#039;ve heard for a solution is having all cars computer controlled, networked to each other. If the speed and distance was controlled by computer algorithms and not subject to human error our current infrastructure could handle much more traffic at greater transit speeds (and better fuel economy as a side bonus). I love to drive myself, so losing control doesn&#039;t really appeal to me, but I have to admit, the idea makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very disturbed to read a study a year ago that stated that most traffic jams are caused by one bad driver, often a left lane hogger. The best idea I&#8217;ve heard for a solution is having all cars computer controlled, networked to each other. If the speed and distance was controlled by computer algorithms and not subject to human error our current infrastructure could handle much more traffic at greater transit speeds (and better fuel economy as a side bonus). I love to drive myself, so losing control doesn&#8217;t really appeal to me, but I have to admit, the idea makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: eagleapex</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#4 I think it&#039;s leaving appropriate distances between cars actually lessens these traffic waves because that distance can absorb a traffic wave and halt it&#039;s progress. 
It&#039;s actually drivers that follow too close and over-brake (or brake at all) on the highway that starts these jamitons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#4 I think it&#8217;s leaving appropriate distances between cars actually lessens these traffic waves because that distance can absorb a traffic wave and halt it&#8217;s progress.<br />
It&#8217;s actually drivers that follow too close and over-brake (or brake at all) on the highway that starts these jamitons.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ S</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@12:

It seems to be human nature to desire knowledge, even if we can&#039;t react on it. Why do you think 24hr news stations are so popular?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@12:</p>
<p>It seems to be human nature to desire knowledge, even if we can&#8217;t react on it. Why do you think 24hr news stations are so popular?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Well, duh, of course the solution is to add capacityâ€¦ but only if the usage is a constant.

Problem is, it&#039;s not.

In the Real World, whenever you add capacity, the result is that more workers buy houses further from the urban core, since the prices are cheaper and the commute is now &quot;reasonable&quot;; until the new capacity is exhausted and the roads are perpetually jammed, which then limits the rate of outward expansion once again.

Lather, rinse, repeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, duh, of course the solution is to add capacityâ€¦ but only if the usage is a constant.</p>
<p>Problem is, it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>In the Real World, whenever you add capacity, the result is that more workers buy houses further from the urban core, since the prices are cheaper and the commute is now &#8220;reasonable&#8221;; until the new capacity is exhausted and the roads are perpetually jammed, which then limits the rate of outward expansion once again.</p>
<p>Lather, rinse, repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Aloisius</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Having been stuck in traffic in the Berkeley Corridor almost daily, this theory does NOT take into account stupid drivers who leave about 8-15 car lengths between it and the next car.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well they&#039;re probably doing it because maintaining a constant speed is one way to unjam a phantom traffic jam.

Plus it allows people to change lanes and when they need to turn off the road instead of hitting their breaks and waiting for an opening in extreme situations.

In heavy traffic situations, I almost always leave as many car lengths in front of me as is necessary to maintain a constant speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Having been stuck in traffic in the Berkeley Corridor almost daily, this theory does NOT take into account stupid drivers who leave about 8-15 car lengths between it and the next car.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well they&#8217;re probably doing it because maintaining a constant speed is one way to unjam a phantom traffic jam.</p>
<p>Plus it allows people to change lanes and when they need to turn off the road instead of hitting their breaks and waiting for an opening in extreme situations.</p>
<p>In heavy traffic situations, I almost always leave as many car lengths in front of me as is necessary to maintain a constant speed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>@#12:

The frustration comes form not knowing whether the jam-up is minor, and will clear in a few minutes; or is caused by a jackknifed truck ten miles ahead blocking three lanes, which will make you two hours late to wherever you&#039;re going. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#12:</p>
<p>The frustration comes form not knowing whether the jam-up is minor, and will clear in a few minutes; or is caused by a jackknifed truck ten miles ahead blocking three lanes, which will make you two hours late to wherever you&#8217;re going. </p>
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		<title>By: Aloisius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aloisius</dc:creator>
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		<description>erg, I mean to say I leave as many as necessary in front of me on the freeway only. I generally don&#039;t do it in places with stop signs because of gridlock problems caused by people who think crossing an intersection when the other side is completely backed up is acceptable behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erg, I mean to say I leave as many as necessary in front of me on the freeway only. I generally don&#8217;t do it in places with stop signs because of gridlock problems caused by people who think crossing an intersection when the other side is completely backed up is acceptable behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>I think that the University of Nagoya video is worth watching too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suugn-p5C1M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the University of Nagoya video is worth watching too <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suugn-p5C1M" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suugn-p5C1M</a></p>
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		<title>By: Massage Music</title>
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		<description>Can this really reduce traffic jams?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can this really reduce traffic jams?</p>
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		<title>By: Astin</title>
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		<description>I remember a post from a few years back from a fluid mechanics student in Seattle who started increasing the distance between himself and the car in front of him until he could time it so that we has moving a constant, slow speed, but never catching up to the jam.  When he finally turned off the highway, his lane was moving smoothly behind him, while the other lanes were still bumper-to-bumper.

Variable speed limits BEFORE the jam might be able to lessen the jam.  If you have to slow down a few miles before coming to a complete stop, it should allow the jam to break up a bit (or at least move &quot;forward&quot;) before you get there.  

That, or build double-decker highways, where the upper deck is only avaialble as a detour when jams get to a certain size, so you&#039;re no longer feeding the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a post from a few years back from a fluid mechanics student in Seattle who started increasing the distance between himself and the car in front of him until he could time it so that we has moving a constant, slow speed, but never catching up to the jam.  When he finally turned off the highway, his lane was moving smoothly behind him, while the other lanes were still bumper-to-bumper.</p>
<p>Variable speed limits BEFORE the jam might be able to lessen the jam.  If you have to slow down a few miles before coming to a complete stop, it should allow the jam to break up a bit (or at least move &#8220;forward&#8221;) before you get there.  </p>
<p>That, or build double-decker highways, where the upper deck is only avaialble as a detour when jams get to a certain size, so you&#8217;re no longer feeding the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Massage Music</title>
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		<dc:creator>Massage Music</dc:creator>
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		<description>Glad reading your page.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>@#4: I, too, drive the Berkeley corridor daily.  

1.  If there&#039;s room for 8-15 car lengths between two cars, it&#039;s not a traffic jam.

2.  If both cars are travelling at the same speed, it&#039;s not a problem.</description>
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<p>1.  If there&#8217;s room for 8-15 car lengths between two cars, it&#8217;s not a traffic jam.</p>
<p>2.  If both cars are travelling at the same speed, it&#8217;s not a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See &lt;a href=&quot;http://trafficwaves.org/&quot;&gt;trafficwaves.org&lt;/a&gt; (site&#039;s been around since 1998)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://trafficwaves.org/">trafficwaves.org</a> (site&#8217;s been around since 1998)</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well they&#039;re probably doing it because maintaining a constant speed is one way to unjam a phantom traffic jam.&lt;/i&gt;

or to cause one, 

but if you&#039;re so much smarter than everyone else around them that just couldn&#039;t be true. 

So, is it the intelligent man&#039;s responsibility to fix the mess by out thinking everyone around him, or should he try not to piss everyone else off by acting in a way that causes as many problems as it solves?

I say it&#039;s your call, but check your self-estimation of your own intelligence at the curb. 

and by you, i mean that jack*** I was stuck behind on I-93 yesterday, not you personally.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well they&#8217;re probably doing it because maintaining a constant speed is one way to unjam a phantom traffic jam.</i></p>
<p>or to cause one, </p>
<p>but if you&#8217;re so much smarter than everyone else around them that just couldn&#8217;t be true. </p>
<p>So, is it the intelligent man&#8217;s responsibility to fix the mess by out thinking everyone around him, or should he try not to piss everyone else off by acting in a way that causes as many problems as it solves?</p>
<p>I say it&#8217;s your call, but check your self-estimation of your own intelligence at the curb. </p>
<p>and by you, i mean that jack*** I was stuck behind on I-93 yesterday, not you personally.  </p>
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		<title>By: Bill Beaty</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/23/mathematically-model.html#comment-525157</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Beaty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; is it better for drivers to use both lanes for 
&gt; as long as possible

If drivers merge early, then a few &quot;cheaters&quot; are able to use the empty lane to zoom past everyone.   But then the drivers downstream won&#039;t let the cheaters merge back in.  Yet still the cheaters can force their way in slooooowly, which brings the full lane to a near halt.   A huge backup develops in the full lane, making the empty lane longer, which greatly encourages cheating.

On the other hand, if everyone merges late, and takes turns at the merge point, and both lanes flow at about the same speed  ...then &quot;cheaters&quot; don&#039;t exist.  There&#039;s no empty lane for cheaters to use.  There&#039;s no reason for the drivers in the through-lane to block the merging cars.   In fact, cars in both lanes can then open up enough space to merge easily.  Things flow like meshing gears.

JAM BUSTING
http://trafficwaves.org/

VIDEO: jam in the left-hand exit lane
http://tinyurl.com/m5m9cx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> is it better for drivers to use both lanes for<br />
> as long as possible</p>
<p>If drivers merge early, then a few &#8220;cheaters&#8221; are able to use the empty lane to zoom past everyone.   But then the drivers downstream won&#8217;t let the cheaters merge back in.  Yet still the cheaters can force their way in slooooowly, which brings the full lane to a near halt.   A huge backup develops in the full lane, making the empty lane longer, which greatly encourages cheating.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if everyone merges late, and takes turns at the merge point, and both lanes flow at about the same speed  &#8230;then &#8220;cheaters&#8221; don&#8217;t exist.  There&#8217;s no empty lane for cheaters to use.  There&#8217;s no reason for the drivers in the through-lane to block the merging cars.   In fact, cars in both lanes can then open up enough space to merge easily.  Things flow like meshing gears.</p>
<p>JAM BUSTING<br />
<a href="http://trafficwaves.org/" rel="nofollow">http://trafficwaves.org/</a></p>
<p>VIDEO: jam in the left-hand exit lane<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/m5m9cx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/m5m9cx</a></p>
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		<title>By: guidomax</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An anecdote my 89-year-old grandfather often tells on this subject is that, when he was driving in convoys in North Africa during WWII, they were taught to always drive at the speed of the slowest vehicle (which, in a convoy/no passing situation, would of course be the average speed of the convoy).

This kept the convoy moving, ensured there weren&#039;t hold-ups, and meant that they got to the destination in the fastest possible time.

He felt mighty vindicated when they started trialling variable speed limits on certain motorways, to cut down on traffic jams in exactly this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An anecdote my 89-year-old grandfather often tells on this subject is that, when he was driving in convoys in North Africa during WWII, they were taught to always drive at the speed of the slowest vehicle (which, in a convoy/no passing situation, would of course be the average speed of the convoy).</p>
<p>This kept the convoy moving, ensured there weren&#8217;t hold-ups, and meant that they got to the destination in the fastest possible time.</p>
<p>He felt mighty vindicated when they started trialling variable speed limits on certain motorways, to cut down on traffic jams in exactly this way.</p>
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		<title>By: key</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, there seem to be some people on this thread who know some stuff, so let me ask a question.

When you have a planned lane blockage (due to construction, for example), is it better for drivers to use both lanes for as long as possible, merging a few feet before the actual merge point?  Or is it better to make a single line as soon as you know a blockage is ahead?

In certain parts of the US, you would be despised for choosing the first option, but it seems to me it&#039;s the much more reasonable option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, there seem to be some people on this thread who know some stuff, so let me ask a question.</p>
<p>When you have a planned lane blockage (due to construction, for example), is it better for drivers to use both lanes for as long as possible, merging a few feet before the actual merge point?  Or is it better to make a single line as soon as you know a blockage is ahead?</p>
<p>In certain parts of the US, you would be despised for choosing the first option, but it seems to me it&#8217;s the much more reasonable option.</p>
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		<title>By: seanboing</title>
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		<description>@22 Astin:

I do this regularly. If the driver ahead of me is going fast and then slowing down cyclically, I&#039;ll give that car some more room. Basically I visualize a big rubber band between us, and I don&#039;t accelerate as quickly as they do. The whole lane behind me eventually is running much better, much more smoothly. I am happier, and hopefully the people behind me are happier.

Though if I get too much distance in front of me then cars behind me are not so happy. I am perceived as slowing down the freeway too much. So I make sure not to leave too much space in front of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22 Astin:</p>
<p>I do this regularly. If the driver ahead of me is going fast and then slowing down cyclically, I&#8217;ll give that car some more room. Basically I visualize a big rubber band between us, and I don&#8217;t accelerate as quickly as they do. The whole lane behind me eventually is running much better, much more smoothly. I am happier, and hopefully the people behind me are happier.</p>
<p>Though if I get too much distance in front of me then cars behind me are not so happy. I am perceived as slowing down the freeway too much. So I make sure not to leave too much space in front of me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Beaty</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Having been stuck in traffic in the Berkeley Corridor almost daily, this theory does NOT take into account stupid drivers who leave about 8-15 car lengths between it and the next car.

But professional truckers, driving through jams with a big empty space ahead, aren&#039;t going slow.  

Their speed is the same as the car ahead of them.  Regardless of the size of that space, their speed is the same as the average speed of their lane.   If they were going slow, then the empty space wouldn&#039;t be unchanging, instead it would be growing.

Truckers use this &quot;empty space&quot; technique to free up clogged merge zones and bust traffic jams.  Recently few non-truck drivers have discovered the trick and started using it.   I see these big &quot;jam busting&quot; spaces more and more often in traffic.

In 2004, traffic scientist L.C. Davis won awards for discovering that, if 10% - 20% of people drove with no tailgating and computer-controlled fast reaction time, then traffic jamming becomes impossible.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Having been stuck in traffic in the Berkeley Corridor almost daily, this theory does NOT take into account stupid drivers who leave about 8-15 car lengths between it and the next car.</p>
<p>But professional truckers, driving through jams with a big empty space ahead, aren&#8217;t going slow.  </p>
<p>Their speed is the same as the car ahead of them.  Regardless of the size of that space, their speed is the same as the average speed of their lane.   If they were going slow, then the empty space wouldn&#8217;t be unchanging, instead it would be growing.</p>
<p>Truckers use this &#8220;empty space&#8221; technique to free up clogged merge zones and bust traffic jams.  Recently few non-truck drivers have discovered the trick and started using it.   I see these big &#8220;jam busting&#8221; spaces more and more often in traffic.</p>
<p>In 2004, traffic scientist L.C. Davis won awards for discovering that, if 10% &#8211; 20% of people drove with no tailgating and computer-controlled fast reaction time, then traffic jamming becomes impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23 Trust me, it was a jam.  EVERY lane was packed, even the carpool lane, yet in this particular lane, one car left about 10 car lengths between it and the next, and the car behind it was about another 4 car lengths distance.  I was behind this second car.  When I finally got into the next lane and realized why the previous lane was going slower than every one else&#039;s, I nearly blew it.  

Yes, those two cars enjoyed coasting along and they enjoyed constant but slow speeds but for every other car behind them (the ones beyond the sonic point) it was a truly frustrating exercise.  And the buildup behind the two cars just grew and grew.

I agree that yes, BEFORE a traffic jam happens, having tons of space between cars are better to absorb the waves.  However, if a jam has already started, how can leaving more than a car-length between you and the next be anything but detrimental?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23 Trust me, it was a jam.  EVERY lane was packed, even the carpool lane, yet in this particular lane, one car left about 10 car lengths between it and the next, and the car behind it was about another 4 car lengths distance.  I was behind this second car.  When I finally got into the next lane and realized why the previous lane was going slower than every one else&#8217;s, I nearly blew it.  </p>
<p>Yes, those two cars enjoyed coasting along and they enjoyed constant but slow speeds but for every other car behind them (the ones beyond the sonic point) it was a truly frustrating exercise.  And the buildup behind the two cars just grew and grew.</p>
<p>I agree that yes, BEFORE a traffic jam happens, having tons of space between cars are better to absorb the waves.  However, if a jam has already started, how can leaving more than a car-length between you and the next be anything but detrimental?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>I intuitively learned the smooth driving method. I have had people zoom around me and quickly cover the 3 or 4 car length in front of me and slam on their brakes. They didn&#039;t see that coming but I did. 

I have also been in an underpowered car that could not accelerate 0-60 60-0 in 3 seconds. If all cars could and drivers safely drive them then the method would not be effective. But with trucks and slowly acceleration vehicles the net acceleration gets so slow that the jam will only dissipate late at night or something like that.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I intuitively learned the smooth driving method. I have had people zoom around me and quickly cover the 3 or 4 car length in front of me and slam on their brakes. They didn&#8217;t see that coming but I did. </p>
<p>I have also been in an underpowered car that could not accelerate 0-60 60-0 in 3 seconds. If all cars could and drivers safely drive them then the method would not be effective. But with trucks and slowly acceleration vehicles the net acceleration gets so slow that the jam will only dissipate late at night or something like that.</p>
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