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	<title>Comments on: Canadian gov&#039;t: you have no expectation of privacy on the&#160;Internet</title>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530689</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps American companies can be barred from selling to Canada
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/deep-packet-inspection/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps American companies can be barred from selling to Canada<br />
<a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/deep-packet-inspection/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/deep-packet-inspection/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530693</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh! an online database next?
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/04/15/george-jonas-want-a-gun-permit-tell-us-about-your-sex-life.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh! an online database next?<br />
<a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/04/15/george-jonas-want-a-gun-permit-tell-us-about-your-sex-life.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/04/15/george-jonas-want-a-gun-permit-tell-us-about-your-sex-life.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-531207</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the &#039;greater international co-operation&quot; bit mentioned by digitaljournal. Share the wealth, eh?
No prizes for guessing which countries are pushing for this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the &#8216;greater international co-operation&#8221; bit mentioned by digitaljournal. Share the wealth, eh?<br />
No prizes for guessing which countries are pushing for this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530709</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Canada, most firearm deaths in situations of domestic crises are commonplace: as they are in the USA.

You want a gun? Do you have a girlfriend/wife against whom you may wish to use it?
Are you or have you ever been treated for suicidal thoughts or depression?

Guns are dangerous.
To go about armed, in times of peace, is savage, barbarous, and is and ought to be, outlawed in all civilized counties, in populated areas - but not of course in that country, which has started by invasion two land wars in Asia in the past ten years, and has a proxy war now commencing in Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Canada, most firearm deaths in situations of domestic crises are commonplace: as they are in the USA.</p>
<p>You want a gun? Do you have a girlfriend/wife against whom you may wish to use it?<br />
Are you or have you ever been treated for suicidal thoughts or depression?</p>
<p>Guns are dangerous.<br />
To go about armed, in times of peace, is savage, barbarous, and is and ought to be, outlawed in all civilized counties, in populated areas &#8211; but not of course in that country, which has started by invasion two land wars in Asia in the past ten years, and has a proxy war now commencing in Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Ito Kagehisa</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530968</link>
		<dc:creator>Ito Kagehisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugly Canuck quoth:&lt;blockquote&gt;And who but a mentally ill person or psycho would need a gun, in a 21st Century city?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Who but a mentally ill person or psycho would live in a 21st Century city?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugly Canuck quoth:<br />
<blockquote>And who but a mentally ill person or psycho would need a gun, in a 21st Century city?</p></blockquote>
<p>Who but a mentally ill person or psycho would live in a 21st Century city?</p>
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		<title>By: boingaddict</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530713</link>
		<dc:creator>boingaddict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really easy to drag dirty laundry from newspapers, same can be done with material about US and i somehow i get the feeling Canada would still come up on top with the amount or rights and liberties being retained. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really easy to drag dirty laundry from newspapers, same can be done with material about US and i somehow i get the feeling Canada would still come up on top with the amount or rights and liberties being retained. </p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530718</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah. Most firearm deaths occur in a domestic context in Canada: by a partner, or by suicide. The Registry is to give responders an idea of what they may expect should they be called to a domestic disturbance. As in Britain, where knife control is well under way.
Unlike others, I see no good reason why people should go about armed. Unless your &quot;media&quot; have convinced you that its &quot;insane&quot; to ban handguns, and has closed your ears to discussion. An Article of faith, as set out by the US Constitution. Nothing more, and actually harmful to civilized society in the 21st century.

It&#039;s an American issue, like abortion: sought to be brought into the Canadian context by 1980&#039;s era right-wingers envious of American right-wing&#039;s dominance in the American &quot;noosphere&quot;....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah. Most firearm deaths occur in a domestic context in Canada: by a partner, or by suicide. The Registry is to give responders an idea of what they may expect should they be called to a domestic disturbance. As in Britain, where knife control is well under way.<br />
Unlike others, I see no good reason why people should go about armed. Unless your &#8220;media&#8221; have convinced you that its &#8220;insane&#8221; to ban handguns, and has closed your ears to discussion. An Article of faith, as set out by the US Constitution. Nothing more, and actually harmful to civilized society in the 21st century.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an American issue, like abortion: sought to be brought into the Canadian context by 1980&#8242;s era right-wingers envious of American right-wing&#8217;s dominance in the American &#8220;noosphere&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530721</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apreche #1, what the hell are you talking about?

I use SSH and HTTPS extensively, and I absolutely do have expectation of privacy. The technological problems are reasonably solved at this point.  Haven&#039;t you bothered to learn PKI?  Would you drive a car without understanding refueling and oil changes?

Any &quot;lack of privacy&quot; is caused by fascism and/or technical incompetence.  It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a built-in, necessary part of the Intartubes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apreche #1, what the hell are you talking about?</p>
<p>I use SSH and HTTPS extensively, and I absolutely do have expectation of privacy. The technological problems are reasonably solved at this point.  Haven&#8217;t you bothered to learn PKI?  Would you drive a car without understanding refueling and oil changes?</p>
<p>Any &#8220;lack of privacy&#8221; is caused by fascism and/or technical incompetence.  It&#8217;s <i>not</i> a built-in, necessary part of the Intartubes.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530726</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the same people who wasted $2,000,000,000.00 (so far) on a gun registry doesn&#039;t work - beyond pissing off honest people - now want to start an internet registry. What? you think they won&#039;t keep ALL the records?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the same people who wasted $2,000,000,000.00 (so far) on a gun registry doesn&#8217;t work &#8211; beyond pissing off honest people &#8211; now want to start an internet registry. What? you think they won&#8217;t keep ALL the records?</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530732</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/03/19/kevin-gaudet-the-long-gun-registry-allan-rock-s-2-billion-fiasco-2.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/03/19/kevin-gaudet-the-long-gun-registry-allan-rock-s-2-billion-fiasco-2.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/03/19/kevin-gaudet-the-long-gun-registry-allan-rock-s-2-billion-fiasco-2.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-535087</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/judge-will-not-allow-taser-footage-online/article1207933/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/judge-will-not-allow-taser-footage-online/article1207933/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/judge-will-not-allow-taser-footage-online/article1207933/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-531258</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, if this Government were serious about &quot;tackling&quot; the real crime they purport to be &quot;tackling&quot; - child abuse - instead of mandating the means of mass surveillance, and taxing us via our ISPs for it, and reducing any Judicial oversight of these searches to mere window-dressing, they ought to institute and fund a proper national day-care program.
Together with the already-existing duties upon child-care providers to report any symptoms of child abuse, this would do more to prevent and to stop actual child abuse, than uncounted police man-hours spent surfing and catching pedos/pervs catching mostly, AFAIK, &quot;second-order&quot; offenders, - &quot;consumers&quot;, rarely &quot;creators&quot; - but still &quot;distributors&quot;, if they use torrents, and hence worthy targets of both investigation &amp; punishment/treatment, a position of the Law with which I entirely agree. I am also aware of how such behavior may progress to worse offenses, if not interrupted in a timely way. 
Yet, they ask for too much: would not more Judicial Officers serve to speed the processing of the Warrants? Must the rights of the citizen be diminished and curtailed so? Is the evil, aimed at by this measure, so great and pressing that the present tools, properly applied, would not serve as well or better, with less impairment of our rights?
Child abuse is a serious evil: but this casts the net too wide: and there are better ways, ie national subsidized child care for all Canadian children - which would achieve much better results as to the exposure and cessation of actual child abuse.
I understand from the ladies that such a program would also be good for other reasons. 
But this Government would rather spend money to investigate &amp; punish, than educate &amp; enlighten.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, if this Government were serious about &#8220;tackling&#8221; the real crime they purport to be &#8220;tackling&#8221; &#8211; child abuse &#8211; instead of mandating the means of mass surveillance, and taxing us via our ISPs for it, and reducing any Judicial oversight of these searches to mere window-dressing, they ought to institute and fund a proper national day-care program.<br />
Together with the already-existing duties upon child-care providers to report any symptoms of child abuse, this would do more to prevent and to stop actual child abuse, than uncounted police man-hours spent surfing and catching pedos/pervs catching mostly, AFAIK, &#8220;second-order&#8221; offenders, &#8211; &#8220;consumers&#8221;, rarely &#8220;creators&#8221; &#8211; but still &#8220;distributors&#8221;, if they use torrents, and hence worthy targets of both investigation &#038; punishment/treatment, a position of the Law with which I entirely agree. I am also aware of how such behavior may progress to worse offenses, if not interrupted in a timely way.<br />
Yet, they ask for too much: would not more Judicial Officers serve to speed the processing of the Warrants? Must the rights of the citizen be diminished and curtailed so? Is the evil, aimed at by this measure, so great and pressing that the present tools, properly applied, would not serve as well or better, with less impairment of our rights?<br />
Child abuse is a serious evil: but this casts the net too wide: and there are better ways, ie national subsidized child care for all Canadian children &#8211; which would achieve much better results as to the exposure and cessation of actual child abuse.<br />
I understand from the ladies that such a program would also be good for other reasons.<br />
But this Government would rather spend money to investigate &#038; punish, than educate &#038; enlighten.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-531014</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many posters here, and the interviewed minister, are confusing what is meant by &quot;privacy&quot;.  The issue is really *anonymity*, and that is what many people expect on the Internet.  

Anonymity on the Internet is important to protect, since it encourages freedom of speech, the voicing of opinions that would otherwise be suppressed if authorities had unfettered access to identity information.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many posters here, and the interviewed minister, are confusing what is meant by &#8220;privacy&#8221;.  The issue is really *anonymity*, and that is what many people expect on the Internet.  </p>
<p>Anonymity on the Internet is important to protect, since it encourages freedom of speech, the voicing of opinions that would otherwise be suppressed if authorities had unfettered access to identity information.   </p>
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		<title>By: coffeemoon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530763</link>
		<dc:creator>coffeemoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you guys still using the &lt;b&gt; blink &lt;/b&gt;   tag?

Despicable. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you guys still using the <b> blink </b>   tag?</p>
<p>Despicable. </p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530765</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>despicable for the despicable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>despicable for the despicable</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-531541</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a last pop-in to say: Happy Canada Day!!

As to this wiretap bill: it&#039;s unconstitutional on its face.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a last pop-in to say: Happy Canada Day!!</p>
<p>As to this wiretap bill: it&#8217;s unconstitutional on its face.</p>
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		<title>By: Apreche</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530521</link>
		<dc:creator>Apreche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s exactly right. There is no expectation of privacy on the Internet. It&#039;s not a matter of law, morals, or policy. It&#039;s just a matter of reality. If you type information into a box and send it off to someone else&#039;s computer, you have absolutely no control over who will see or spread that information elsewhere. Your privacy is entirely defendant on how much you can trust the technology, the network, and the party you are giving the information to. 

The fight for privacy is the same as the fight against p2p file sharing. There&#039;s no way that copyright holders can stop sharing. They can fight it and slow it, but they can&#039;t beat it. Likewise, the only thing that is private is what you keep in your mind. Anything else can or will be shared. What&#039;s worse, eventually we&#039;ll have mind-reading machines. Then there will be no privacy whatsoever.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I would very much like for there to be privacy. I&#039;ve just come to the realization that it&#039;s a lost cause. I think we are better off trying to think of ways to live in a world without privacy than trying to fight against the inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s exactly right. There is no expectation of privacy on the Internet. It&#8217;s not a matter of law, morals, or policy. It&#8217;s just a matter of reality. If you type information into a box and send it off to someone else&#8217;s computer, you have absolutely no control over who will see or spread that information elsewhere. Your privacy is entirely defendant on how much you can trust the technology, the network, and the party you are giving the information to. </p>
<p>The fight for privacy is the same as the fight against p2p file sharing. There&#8217;s no way that copyright holders can stop sharing. They can fight it and slow it, but they can&#8217;t beat it. Likewise, the only thing that is private is what you keep in your mind. Anything else can or will be shared. What&#8217;s worse, eventually we&#8217;ll have mind-reading machines. Then there will be no privacy whatsoever.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I would very much like for there to be privacy. I&#8217;ve just come to the realization that it&#8217;s a lost cause. I think we are better off trying to think of ways to live in a world without privacy than trying to fight against the inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-531550</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes: today we celebrate the birth of our Charter of Rights &amp; Freedoms.
Here&#039;s a song for ya, eh? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTqKQR3VQI8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes: today we celebrate the birth of our Charter of Rights &#038; Freedoms.<br />
Here&#8217;s a song for ya, eh? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTqKQR3VQI8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTqKQR3VQI8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530534</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tell ya, they want what the GOP has set up stateside (and which the Dems - the same people - will continue) : perhaps the Americans who opined that Canadian civil liberties are &quot;too strong&quot; for the &quot;War on Terror&quot; to be fought &quot;effectively&quot; back in 2002 were correct.

I point out that if there were no laws outlawing the mere possession of Child Porn, there would be no information, of any type, which the mere possession of would ground criminal charges! Far less the expense and trouble of widespread and indiscriminate State surveillance of the internet!

I am convinced that that Law, outlawing the mere possession of child porn, was passed solely to gain police and government access to what otherwise would simply not be justifiably accessible to them, at all: what particular bits of information their citizens are viewing/sharing on the internet. The manufacture and distribution of these vile materials has ever been illegal: but the recent (1989) outlawing of its mere possession was and is a way to get the State&#039;s (ie policeman&#039;s)&quot;foot in the door&quot; - and the whole body is now following.

So how many well-paid fully-pensioned taxpayer-funded police officers are we paying full police salaries to, to sit in the dark and troll the net for who may be viewing &quot;dirty pictures&quot;? And what else are they remarking and noting (all in secret) about people&#039;s web surfing?
Think their &quot;political masters&quot; could find any of that info useful in &quot;governance&quot;?

Does the mere fact that child porn exists in this world justify the removal of (or the installation of the tech means to quickly remove such) ALL personal privacy on the internet?

Removing the people&#039;s expectation of privacy on the Net, by using people&#039;s justified outrage at child pornography as its basis! - and were the mere possession of this material not illegal, you would not be subjected to regular press reports of people getting lengthy prison terms for looking at pictures and having dirty thoughts. That is, people would not be afraid of freely using the Internet. There is a chilling effect...

Using the Internet exposes people now to the risk of losing their liberty (eg prison for possession of drawings of underage sex - or even prose describing such!). 

Prior to the outlawing of the possession of child porn - there was NO WAY TO BE IMPRISONED FOR THE MERE POSSESSION OF INFORMATION.

It&#039;s not about protecting children-it&#039;s about treating their citizens as children: under full surveillance at all times in the information realm - to prevent/subvert political developments which could otherwise occur. (IMHO, that&#039;s the Gov&#039;s real aim here - if they wanted to protect children, there are more cost-effective ways, eh?) 
Shall this Governemnt-obtained info as to our internet use be open to the public? Will we all get to see what everyone else is viewing? Or is it only the neo-con &quot;security&quot; apparatus, now in full flower with the ongoing wars in Asia that the USA has started of late, which gets to &quot;use&quot; this data? To help to achieve their &quot;aims&quot;? How? For effective &quot;targeting&quot; of their &quot;message&quot;?

Welcome to Camp X-Ray, extended throughout the US/Canadian body politic. They want to know everything you do: you might have dirty thoughts!!
And not just about children....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tell ya, they want what the GOP has set up stateside (and which the Dems &#8211; the same people &#8211; will continue) : perhaps the Americans who opined that Canadian civil liberties are &#8220;too strong&#8221; for the &#8220;War on Terror&#8221; to be fought &#8220;effectively&#8221; back in 2002 were correct.</p>
<p>I point out that if there were no laws outlawing the mere possession of Child Porn, there would be no information, of any type, which the mere possession of would ground criminal charges! Far less the expense and trouble of widespread and indiscriminate State surveillance of the internet!</p>
<p>I am convinced that that Law, outlawing the mere possession of child porn, was passed solely to gain police and government access to what otherwise would simply not be justifiably accessible to them, at all: what particular bits of information their citizens are viewing/sharing on the internet. The manufacture and distribution of these vile materials has ever been illegal: but the recent (1989) outlawing of its mere possession was and is a way to get the State&#8217;s (ie policeman&#8217;s)&#8221;foot in the door&#8221; &#8211; and the whole body is now following.</p>
<p>So how many well-paid fully-pensioned taxpayer-funded police officers are we paying full police salaries to, to sit in the dark and troll the net for who may be viewing &#8220;dirty pictures&#8221;? And what else are they remarking and noting (all in secret) about people&#8217;s web surfing?<br />
Think their &#8220;political masters&#8221; could find any of that info useful in &#8220;governance&#8221;?</p>
<p>Does the mere fact that child porn exists in this world justify the removal of (or the installation of the tech means to quickly remove such) ALL personal privacy on the internet?</p>
<p>Removing the people&#8217;s expectation of privacy on the Net, by using people&#8217;s justified outrage at child pornography as its basis! &#8211; and were the mere possession of this material not illegal, you would not be subjected to regular press reports of people getting lengthy prison terms for looking at pictures and having dirty thoughts. That is, people would not be afraid of freely using the Internet. There is a chilling effect&#8230;</p>
<p>Using the Internet exposes people now to the risk of losing their liberty (eg prison for possession of drawings of underage sex &#8211; or even prose describing such!). </p>
<p>Prior to the outlawing of the possession of child porn &#8211; there was NO WAY TO BE IMPRISONED FOR THE MERE POSSESSION OF INFORMATION.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about protecting children-it&#8217;s about treating their citizens as children: under full surveillance at all times in the information realm &#8211; to prevent/subvert political developments which could otherwise occur. (IMHO, that&#8217;s the Gov&#8217;s real aim here &#8211; if they wanted to protect children, there are more cost-effective ways, eh?)<br />
Shall this Governemnt-obtained info as to our internet use be open to the public? Will we all get to see what everyone else is viewing? Or is it only the neo-con &#8220;security&#8221; apparatus, now in full flower with the ongoing wars in Asia that the USA has started of late, which gets to &#8220;use&#8221; this data? To help to achieve their &#8220;aims&#8221;? How? For effective &#8220;targeting&#8221; of their &#8220;message&#8221;?</p>
<p>Welcome to Camp X-Ray, extended throughout the US/Canadian body politic. They want to know everything you do: you might have dirty thoughts!!<br />
And not just about children&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Telecustard</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530536</link>
		<dc:creator>Telecustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they do finally have mind reading machines, a handy way to stymie them is to hum an original  tune to yourself in your head. Then, when they present evidence in court of your thoughtcrimes, you can at least use the same evidence to sue them for copyright violation. 

The only problem is if your brain is stuck playing the theme to &quot;Jeopardy&quot; that day. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they do finally have mind reading machines, a handy way to stymie them is to hum an original  tune to yourself in your head. Then, when they present evidence in court of your thoughtcrimes, you can at least use the same evidence to sue them for copyright violation. </p>
<p>The only problem is if your brain is stuck playing the theme to &#8220;Jeopardy&#8221; that day. </p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-532329</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/01/bloggers-dont-go-to-jail-murdoch-ceo-laments/</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-531307</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could we please invent something similar to Godwinâ€™s Law for any time a politician trots out â€œthink of the childrenâ€ to trample personal freedoms? Iâ€™m really tired of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could we please invent something similar to Godwinâ€™s Law for any time a politician trots out â€œthink of the childrenâ€ to trample personal freedoms? Iâ€™m really tired of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530540</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apreche: This is about the Governemt, and what they can do. Just because you may not have privacy vi-a-vis your ISP and others, does not mean your Government can join in. Governments are directly bound by Bills and Charters of Rights.
And the Gov here is directly creating the condition of &quot;lack of privacy&quot;, not responding to it. My guess is that with effort, one can make one&#039;s web use impenetrable to all but those able to force your ISP to cough up your account logs - if they keep them. Otherwise, why the need for this proposed Law, at all?

Without my ISP&#039;s help, tracking my surfing may or may not be a trivial exercise - but that hardly removes my general expectation of privacy.

Indeed, unlike the USA, where the anti-abortion people are dead set against the recognition of any right to privacy at all, in Canada the right to privacy is built-in to our right to the security of the person, in our Constitution.They can get around this if certain conditions are met - but they cannot meet them in this case. The child-porn possession law barely survived Court scrutiny...

Summary: The Government can by its own action, laws and regulations make the internet a non-private space. But it is no part of their legitimate function to do so. And the child porn possession law is a legal ruse: otherwise, the Gov has zero right to shoulder surf ANYBODY - regardless of how private or otherwise that surfing may in reality be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apreche: This is about the Governemt, and what they can do. Just because you may not have privacy vi-a-vis your ISP and others, does not mean your Government can join in. Governments are directly bound by Bills and Charters of Rights.<br />
And the Gov here is directly creating the condition of &#8220;lack of privacy&#8221;, not responding to it. My guess is that with effort, one can make one&#8217;s web use impenetrable to all but those able to force your ISP to cough up your account logs &#8211; if they keep them. Otherwise, why the need for this proposed Law, at all?</p>
<p>Without my ISP&#8217;s help, tracking my surfing may or may not be a trivial exercise &#8211; but that hardly removes my general expectation of privacy.</p>
<p>Indeed, unlike the USA, where the anti-abortion people are dead set against the recognition of any right to privacy at all, in Canada the right to privacy is built-in to our right to the security of the person, in our Constitution.They can get around this if certain conditions are met &#8211; but they cannot meet them in this case. The child-porn possession law barely survived Court scrutiny&#8230;</p>
<p>Summary: The Government can by its own action, laws and regulations make the internet a non-private space. But it is no part of their legitimate function to do so. And the child porn possession law is a legal ruse: otherwise, the Gov has zero right to shoulder surf ANYBODY &#8211; regardless of how private or otherwise that surfing may in reality be.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530541</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the RCMP would never abuse the right to get a warrantless wiretap either. Only 200 times since 2004.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/06/26/police-emergency-wiretaps.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the RCMP would never abuse the right to get a warrantless wiretap either. Only 200 times since 2004.<br />
<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/06/26/police-emergency-wiretaps.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/06/26/police-emergency-wiretaps.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530575</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people get the government they deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people get the government they deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: tarabrown</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-531095</link>
		<dc:creator>tarabrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I love and miss Canada, our government has never been in tune with the needs of the people, its like they perpetually live like we are still ruled by a monarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I love and miss Canada, our government has never been in tune with the needs of the people, its like they perpetually live like we are still ruled by a monarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-531098</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Registry, shmegistry.
This article ain&#039;t about guns equaling freedom - what is it with you Americans?
You want a firearm in Canada? Apply for and receive a Firearms Acquisition Certificate. The &quot;Registry&quot; was a miserable compromise: and has become a red-meat Tory red herring. 
Because nobody, but nobody, in Canadian public life is suggesting that the requirement that one apply for and obtain an FAC prior to being able to purchase a firearm legally be revoked. 
In fact, mandatory heavy minimum sentences for the use of guns in the commission of crime are the ONLY crimes for which Canadians support mandatory minimums. We see all too well how guns and their easy availability have ruined American civic life for so very many people. We shall learn from your mistakes...
Gun control is here in Canada to stay, pardner...and it makes for a country in which little people breathe freer, and the cops need less deadly force to (mis)use to do their jobs.
Gun control is simply good public policy: something Americans seem to have struggled with achieving of late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Registry, shmegistry.<br />
This article ain&#8217;t about guns equaling freedom &#8211; what is it with you Americans?<br />
You want a firearm in Canada? Apply for and receive a Firearms Acquisition Certificate. The &#8220;Registry&#8221; was a miserable compromise: and has become a red-meat Tory red herring.<br />
Because nobody, but nobody, in Canadian public life is suggesting that the requirement that one apply for and obtain an FAC prior to being able to purchase a firearm legally be revoked.<br />
In fact, mandatory heavy minimum sentences for the use of guns in the commission of crime are the ONLY crimes for which Canadians support mandatory minimums. We see all too well how guns and their easy availability have ruined American civic life for so very many people. We shall learn from your mistakes&#8230;<br />
Gun control is here in Canada to stay, pardner&#8230;and it makes for a country in which little people breathe freer, and the cops need less deadly force to (mis)use to do their jobs.<br />
Gun control is simply good public policy: something Americans seem to have struggled with achieving of late.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-530590</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;ll be a cold day in hell before the &quot;Reformed Reform&quot; Party forms a majority government in this country. But the right-wing media (particularly the print media) are working on the thermostat...
Of course, the &quot;born in the 80s&quot; right-wing Liberals are doing all they can to make the Reformers look like an cedible &quot;alternative&quot;: starting with the removal of Jean Chretien, as part of the &quot;War on Terror&quot;....and now just going along with this present Gov, in everything they do: gee, the Liberals would not want them out of power, now, would they? [They say that (horrors!!) we would have to have an election! Heaven forbid!!]. Of course, the departing leader Martin decreed that no Leadership contest would take place, until the Conservatives had been in Office at least a year - would not want to harm the neo-cons&#039; interests, eh, Paul?
Just look at the manner of the right-wing Libs appointment of a pro-war pro-torture American even before the Party members had a vote!! Just to prevent their Party from comiong to power!! Kinda like Obama: another &quot;Liberal&quot; who just happened to pop up AFTER the neo-cons had got their War on, and got their surveillance started....and who wasn&#039;t anywhere on the radar before say 2001. 
But our &quot;mass media&quot; , after leading us off to war, then led us to Obama and Ignatieff.
I guess those right-wing Libs thought that there were no Canadians from the Liberal Party of the eighties/nineties suitable for their plans available, so they brought in an neo-American and a much-hated neo-Liberal ex-Socialist (who by his policies paved the way for the neo-con Ontario government of Mike Harris - who used to enjoy his canoeing trips with GW Bush Senior! While the latter was just an &quot;ex-President&quot;...), who just happened to be the neo-American&#039;s college room-mate! Kinda like Kerry &amp; Bush both being Skull &amp; Bones...what a co-incidence!!), apparently passing over an entire generation of Liberal politicians, to move to the right: particularly when it comes to &quot;security policy&quot;...

Bah. Our political parties are and have become mere window-dressing: America wants to war with the Muslims of Central Asia , and want our diplomatic cover, and our troops in that battle: and our freedoms have gotta go. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll be a cold day in hell before the &#8220;Reformed Reform&#8221; Party forms a majority government in this country. But the right-wing media (particularly the print media) are working on the thermostat&#8230;<br />
Of course, the &#8220;born in the 80s&#8221; right-wing Liberals are doing all they can to make the Reformers look like an cedible &#8220;alternative&#8221;: starting with the removal of Jean Chretien, as part of the &#8220;War on Terror&#8221;&#8230;.and now just going along with this present Gov, in everything they do: gee, the Liberals would not want them out of power, now, would they? [They say that (horrors!!) we would have to have an election! Heaven forbid!!]. Of course, the departing leader Martin decreed that no Leadership contest would take place, until the Conservatives had been in Office at least a year &#8211; would not want to harm the neo-cons&#8217; interests, eh, Paul?<br />
Just look at the manner of the right-wing Libs appointment of a pro-war pro-torture American even before the Party members had a vote!! Just to prevent their Party from comiong to power!! Kinda like Obama: another &#8220;Liberal&#8221; who just happened to pop up AFTER the neo-cons had got their War on, and got their surveillance started&#8230;.and who wasn&#8217;t anywhere on the radar before say 2001.<br />
But our &#8220;mass media&#8221; , after leading us off to war, then led us to Obama and Ignatieff.<br />
I guess those right-wing Libs thought that there were no Canadians from the Liberal Party of the eighties/nineties suitable for their plans available, so they brought in an neo-American and a much-hated neo-Liberal ex-Socialist (who by his policies paved the way for the neo-con Ontario government of Mike Harris &#8211; who used to enjoy his canoeing trips with GW Bush Senior! While the latter was just an &#8220;ex-President&#8221;&#8230;), who just happened to be the neo-American&#8217;s college room-mate! Kinda like Kerry &#038; Bush both being Skull &#038; Bones&#8230;what a co-incidence!!), apparently passing over an entire generation of Liberal politicians, to move to the right: particularly when it comes to &#8220;security policy&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Bah. Our political parties are and have become mere window-dressing: America wants to war with the Muslims of Central Asia , and want our diplomatic cover, and our troops in that battle: and our freedoms have gotta go. </p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-531102</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are you being deliberately obtuse to evade the point?</description>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/30/canadian-govt-you-ha.html#comment-533411</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/02/nsa-to-monitor-anti-government-cyberattacks-using-private-networks/</description>
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