Witch booted from farmers market

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  1. Thac0 says:

    Whats the big deal she wasn’t booted for being a witch she was booted for loitering because she has no vendor permit. I don t get it.

  2. Loraan says:

    To anyone who buys a “glamour” for her to put on their job application so “it will be received positively”: Ask her how that same tactic is working on her vendor’s app for the farmer’s market. But wait. I’m sure there’s some ethical or metaphysical reason why her powers can’t work THAT way. YOU’re still welcome to pay her $100 an hour for her magickckckcall services though.

  3. dudemanguy says:

    Xopher: You really need to lighten up. When someone claims to be a witch… that’s funny. If she claimed to be an elephant would you object b/c Indians use them in their religious symbolism? I’m not trying to pick a fight… honestly. But consider the people that handle snakes, get bitten and die during the practice of their religion. Do you think that deserves respect or do you think that’s natural selection in action? The old testament also says it’s fine to farm your daughters out as prositutes or kill your neighbor b/c you don’t feel they properly observe the sabbath. Just b/c someone holds a belief doesn’t automatically mean it’s entitled to respect. How about Scientology? Do you think its silly to believe Luke Skywalker populated the earth after being let off a spaceship bound for who knows where? Is that rational? So a religious belief might be entitled to legal protection, but respect isn’t and shoulnd’t be automatic. How about the inquisition? Shall I go on?

  4. Roach says:

    Roguemodron, it is difficult to imagine the story about a Christian priest being completely analogous because, contrary to certain propaganda, priests do not offer charms for sale that promise real-world change. Certainly there are preachers (not priests) of the Gospel of Prosperity, who always demand an up-front donation, but they follow a similar pattern of hucksterism. Reverend Joey’s services may not run all the way that way – she does seem to place a high emphasis on psychology and help with such issues, which she may in fact be effective at healing – but there is a soft pressure evident in both the article and her website that she will cast spells for purposes of evocation rather than just divination. And if someone is charging money for a service, I for one think that there should be a reasonable guarantee that the service will be effectively provided. She even claims as one of her many degrees an MA from the utterly unaccredited Universal Life Church, which likely cost her the low low price of 29.99. Freedom of religion is great, but it doesn’t mean that we can’t make ANY distinctions between religions. And what she’s providing seems to get into the same problematic area as psychics, who advertise “for entertainment only!” while at the same time promising you’ll meet that dark, handsome stranger immediately after you make your millions. And do you really think that she never points her “free” fair patrons to her $100/hour non-fair services?

  5. noen says:

    dculberson
    “I thought Tdawwg’s joke was funny, but I also think Bruno is trashy low brow crap. (And yet, I’m sure, uproariously hilarious at times.)”

    You haven’t even seen it? It’s fucking brilliant! I haven’t laughed so hard in ages. Sasha is a genius. And way to go mistaking the message for the messenger.

  6. Xopher says:

    Tdawwg, this woman is a Wiccan. You’re making a joke about her being a baby eater. The fact that Disney witches and Wiccan Witches share a word is no excuse. I’m not accusing you of anti-Semitism; I’m saying that what you said is NO BETTER than making a joke about, say, Joe Lieberman making matzoh with the blood of Christian children.

    I hate Joe Lieberman. It would still be wrong.

    Jason: I agree, mostly. But she’s a counselor; I’m not sure she sells spellwork. If she does, I think that would be wrong (but there are Wiccans who disagree). If you read the article, she says she’s giving away services to people who can’t afford her, like teenagers (and I had the impression she was talking about professional counseling services, not magic). Now, that might be advertising to people who CAN afford her, and that’s why I mostly agree with you. I just don’t think it’s quite as obvious as all that.

    Now, where I’m in 100% agreement with you is that she should have to apply like other entertainers, and that sneaking around was wrong.

  7. Boba Fett Diop says:

    OK, have we made the Monty Python “how do we know she’s a witch” joke yet? We have? Good.

  8. Takuan says:

    to prove she is a witch and win this point, she must do nothing.

  9. tedrock says:

    More evidence of BIG GOVERNMENT under the Obama Administration!

    Once they require permits of the witches it is a slippery slope towards Socialism!

  10. vanbrad says:

    @Bucket

    Didn’t you know that “farmers market” translates to portable PA system with reverb-drenched microphone inputs in Quechua?

  11. Xopher says:

    DudeManGuy, where did you leave the body of your last rape-murder victim? Wait, you say you’re not a rapist and serial killer? But…didn’t you claim to be a man?

    It’s a joke! Ha ha ha. See? Now I can say anything I want.

    Note for the truly stupid: I am not actually accusing DudeManGuy of being a rapist and a serial killer.

  12. jimbuck says:

    This entire problem would go away by burning her.

  13. Xopher says:

    VanBrad 81: Didn’t you know that “farmers market” translates to portable PA system with reverb-drenched microphone inputs in Quechua?

    Ama hinachu kawah, Inglesta rimankichu? Manam, simisniykita mana jap’inichu.

    Diyus pagapusonqacheh.

  14. knodi says:

    I lump wiccans in with scientologists and crystal healers. People who claim to be able to work magic, but are unable to do anything that’s more convincing than a placebo, are somewhere on the spectrum of silly —- fraud.

    And Xopher, quit saying “She’s a wiccan, not a disney witch”. She calls HERSELF a witch. It was a funny joke, and here, read carefully for the explanation, because I know subtlety confuses you:

    NOBODY LEGITIMATELY THINKS THAT WITCHES EAT CHILDREN. That was never a widespread belief, even when they were being burned at the stake (incidentally, none of the burned or burners had ever heard of wicca) However, plenty of people currently believe all sorts of nasty things about Jews, and they’ve been persecuted fairly recently.

  15. knodi says:

    Xopher, clearly somebody touched a nerve, ’cause you’re acting like an asshole. If you can’t see why your comparisons are ridiculous, then you need to take a deep breath and skip to the next story. You’re not finding a lot of sympathy by putting on the “oppressed minority” hat in response to a genuinely funny joke.

  16. Deadmeat says:

    @Tdawwg – I also thought the Kindertotentorten line was hilarious and clearly understood it as a reference to Hansel & Gretel and in no way applied to anything other than a fictional children’s story.

    If someone made a joke referencing “meat pies” a la Sweeney Todd in some random post about a barber or baker, would all the barbers and bakers in this joint get offended?

    Tempest in a teapot…

  17. Brainspore says:

    Considering that modern-day Wiccans didn’t refer to themselves as “witches” until the early 1950s it should be at least somewhat understandable that most people still think of the mythical broom-riding baby eaters when they hear the term.

    If I start a new religion (even a peaceful one based on ancient rituals) and start calling my adherents “unicorns,” I forfeit my right to get all indignant when people make the assumption that it has something to do with horned horsies.

  18. Jason Pitzl-Waters says:

    Xopher: I quick look at Rev. Joey’s web site should settle the matter of what she sells.

    http://www.reverendjoey.com/services.html

    Quote:

    “The Reverend Jo Ellen Michelle Talley practices a style of Witchcraft that is generally referred to as Wicca. Reverend Joey offers private consultation and custom spell work. People approach the Reverend with all kinds of life’s problems, goals, questions and situations. Issues too unusual or dangerous to take to the straight world of western helpers are comfortably resolved with Reverend Joey’s personalized Wicca help. No problem is too big, too small, or too weird. Resistant conditions and bizarre symptoms are welcome. Reverend Joey also officiates at weddings and funerals, and is available for parties.”

    She also, it seems, is able to handle problems with aliens (and sharks!).

  19. Xopher says:

    Lobster 17: I don’t see what I’m supposed to be outraged about.

    I’m not outraged about the article. I’m annoyed by the comments here.

    Or did you think this was a “look at this poor person bein’ repressed” posting on David’s part? I didn’t read it that way at all. I read it as “look at this nice but crazy lady who thinks she shouldn’t have to have a permit because she’s a witch.”

    And the more I think about it, the more I agree.

  20. Davidget says:

    @Xopher: Every time I’ve heard someone respond to a joke with, “That’s so wrong!” It’s usually followed by laughter. . .

    Association can be the key element of telling a joke, I’m not seeing how Tdawwg went wrong.

    Why not jump all over Ted8305 for confusing witches with psychics? =X!

  21. Tdawwg says:

    No, it is an excuse: I didn’t see the word Wiccan, and I didn’t click through to the main article. My bad. Not all women in black clothes and hats are Wiccans, nor are all “witches” Wiccans. Again, my joke is about the public perception of witches, not about witches themselves. I’m making a joke about Disney witches being baby eaters: not the same thing. I really don’t care what you all do, or believe, and I don’t think you could reasonably infer my beliefs from the joke.

    Not that I would make a joke like the Lieberman one that you imagine, but if said as a joke, then this would ironize or play off the horrible anti-Semitic stereotype of the blood libel. Imagine, say, Jon Stewart doing it: funny! Joking about this, however much it would get your panties in a twist, is a far cry from making this claim seriously, which would be hate speech: not funny. Big difference.

    Following your logic, the Bruno movie is homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim, etc.: that when Bruno jokes that “O. J.” is a “traditional African name” he’s actually making fun of Africans, African-Americans, blacks, etc., NOT using this joke to skewer racism and ignorance. This logic is absurd, as is yours.

    Now go shrill against the other anti-Wiccans, whose jokes you let slip right by in order to come wag your finger at me. Have at it, o noble defender of pluralism and humorlessness!

  22. Xopher says:

    Failix, I don’t understand your point. Do you think we should be banned?

  23. Xopher says:

    Jason: Well, ewww. She doesn’t deserve any defending, then. She’s just trying to get away with circumventing a legitimate process.

    Knodi, I lump you in with assholes and bullies. t sht nd d.

  24. Tdawwg says:

    Thanks, Deadmeat! Generally pollysyllabic German neologisms that reference Mahler are a tipoff that one’s not being serious…. guess someone didn’t get the memo.

  25. dudemanguy says:

    Xopher: But you see.. I’m not offended by your joke. I’m not hypersensitive like you are and am in firm agreement with the Zappaian maxim “if you’re not laughing the joke’s on you”. Your commment also tells me you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what respect is. Respect isn’t something that you can bestow. I think you’re confusing “tolerance” with “respect”. I certainly agree that everyone’s religion deserves tolerance but not respect. I don’t have any respect for flat earthers or creationist but I tolerate their beliefs b/c I think anyone should believe whatever they care to so long as they deprive no one of life, libery or property in the pursuit of those beliefs. So I’m going to tell you the same thing I told you before. Lighten up. Stop taking things so personally. Learn how to take a joke and quit being so hypersensitive that you can’t appreciate humor.

  26. Bill Beaty says:

    “Just b/c someone holds a belief doesn’t automatically mean it’s entitled to respect.”

    Xenophobic bigotry and religious intolerance has always been one of our fundamental rights! Which country do these people think they’re living in anyway? First they make it a crime to tell anti-Jewish jokes, now they’re coming down hard on public anti-Wiccan prejudice. What’s next I ask you, sneering at Skeptics who ridicule creationists?

  27. Anonymous says:

    There’s a very simple answer to this situation in the main article, and that’s the word “entertainer”. Rev. Joey isn’t selling anything, right? Neither would a hypothetical guitarist or equally hypothetical belly dancer. However, both musician and dancer would have to register. The managers are perfectly within their rights to require her to get a damn permit. Frankly, if she’s pulling in at least $100/session, and I’m sure extra for “money charms” and putting whammies on loan applications, I dare say she can afford it.

  28. Xopher says:

    Tdawwg, actually I find your position fairly reasonable. (Especially the “my bad.”) And the anti-Wiccan jokes are outtyping my ability to respond; I singled you out because I thought your joke was the most egregious up to that point.

    And by the way, I think Bruno is homophobic and racist and…well, I don’t know if it’s anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim, because those parts aren’t in the ads I’ve seen. I don’t watch trashy movies like that, so I probably won’t ever find out. I find SB-C annoying, not funny.

    But perhaps I really have lost my sense of humor. I certainly have been having some tough times lately, and that would be a predictable symptom. I’m going to take some time off and see if it comes back.

  29. Xopher says:

    Oh, one more thing: Tdawwg, I did get the German AND the Mahler reference, and it WAS clever. I was just also offended. But as stated, this is my problem.

    Sorry everyone (well, except Knodi, who should still t sht nd d). I’m all grim and stuff. I take it all back. Apologies to all, especially you Tdawwg.

    I do need to lighten up. I don’t seem to be able to right now though. See you when I can.

  30. Tdawwg says:

    Aw, shit, man, that sucks! Hugs, for real! I’m so sorry to hear about whatever those tough times are: it happens to us all. Be strong, and make sure to talk about it with your loved ones.

    Again, sorry for the confusion. We can disagree about Bruno and the rest. I hope you feel better about what’s bothering you.

  31. noen says:

    I don’t care for a lot of New Age woo crap, homeopathy, astrology, tarot and the rest. But it IS a belief system and people do derive benefit from it. She seems to be providing a useful service, a sympathetic ear to, I’m guessing, queer youth. Free of charge. She probably can’t do that if she registers because that costs money and then she’d have to charge and the kids wouldn’t get her services gratis. That’s sad.

  32. stegodon says:

    Hmmm… it seems this witch has cast ‘discord’ on the comment board, beware.. she might have a ‘magic missile’ in the works.

  33. Talia says:

    Incidentally the wiccans I know would be amused by the babyeating jokes and would likely make some themselves.

    Ridiculous stereotypes can be funny as hell – its not so much making fun of the target but making fun of the stereotype itself.

  34. vanbrad says:

    @Xtopher

    “Ama hinachu kawah, Inglesta rimankichu? Manam, simisniykita mana jap’inichu.

    Diyus pagapusonqacheh.”

    Haru danzungo nyunkan

  35. Anonymous says:

    now witches need permits? will they make a special permit for witchcraft?? haha!! yes and while they are at it, she should sue them for freedom of speech and religious discrimination. there are organizations to help with that.

    Would they have thrown her out if she was a christian, sellin bibles and crosses and prayers? probably not.

  36. Comrade7 says:

    this turned out to be a surprisingly interesting comments page…

  37. Skullhunter says:

    Well let’s see what we’ve got here so far.

    Insulting others as ironic humor? Check.

    The “I’ve got friends who are ____ and they laugh at these jokes so they’re okay” trope? Check several times over.

    The “If you’re offended by it, it’s because you’re a shrill and humorless dolt” trope? Check.

    The “If you’re upset by what I said, it’s because I hit a nerve and not because you have any real reason to be offended” trope? Check.

    Apple-and-orange comparisons of relatively harmless beliefs to far more vile and violent practices (ie. Old Testament-style blood retribution)? Check.

    Xopher, while you are definitely being the better person here, your apology is undeserved by those you presented it to.

    For those of you who put forth the tired and cliched justifications for your behavior on this thread, congratulations. You are the very mirror image of the worst of the dogmatically religious. Having your views formed by rational and scientific principle instead of mystical and mythical precept doesn’t change the fact that your attitudes are just as unpleasantly superior and disdainful. But you’re RIGHT, so that makes it okay, doesn’t it?

  38. Antinous / Moderator says:

    Wasn’t this post supposed to be humorous?

  39. Keith says:

    If she wants to sell her woo, she should get a crystal and tarot reading storefront, like all the other frauds. Or, just, you know, fill out the paperwork and go back to selling her crap at the farmer’s market.

    Being “Magik” doesn’t make the paperwork go away.

  40. mellowknees says:

    Dude…if we can’t make light of things, what good is anything? I poke fun at ALL religions equally. :)

    I’m with #51 – I know a lot of Wiccans (and have been one myself), and those that I know always got a kick out of witch jokes.

    I don’t see anything here that’s meant to be malicious, honestly. It’s not like the time I was in a training at work, specifically about how to not get sued for discrimination, and the lawyer leading the class told us all about this ‘HILARIOUS’ case where a man sued for discrimination based on religion because he was a WITCH and then the lawyer laughed his head off. THAT was malicious, stupid, and incredibly ignorant. And, unfortunately, due to the climate of my workplace, I was not comfortable trying to defend myself and my religious beliefs. Instead I left some really pointed feedback afterwards. And that particular lawyer didn’t teach that class anymore.

    Finally, my comment about this article:

    The woman needs to get a permit like everyone else. If they deny it, then it’s possible there is a problem with her being discriminated against because of religion. But until then, she’s just breaking their rules.

  41. TroofSeeker says:

    Little Billie stamps his feet and throws a tantrum and mommy buys him the toy gun to shut him up. Betty does her homework and gets a good grade and she gets the new Jonas Brothers CD. Josephine tells people that it looks like everything will turn out well, they leave feeling good about themselves and about their life, and Rev. Joey gets $100.
    We’re all doing what works for us, right? Does she access supernatural sources of information? I’m not sure it matters- if her customers are satisfied. Like the roofer in the next booth, she does what works for her. And like all the other businesses at the market, there’s beaurocracy to deal with. I hope she does, and I hope they let her.

  42. dculberson says:

    I thought Tdawwg’s joke was funny, but I also think Bruno is trashy low brow crap. (And yet, I’m sure, uproariously hilarious at times.)

    Although I must say Da Ali G show was hilarious at times, I just couldn’t bring myself to sit through Borat. Something about the transition from the small to the big screen made it lose some luster.

    Xopher, I hope things get better for you. Please don’t think that what people say about witches reflects badly on Wiccans. It’s all in good fun. Imagine instead that they’re talking about Harry Potter type characters.

  43. mdh says:

    I long ago learned not to try to talk anyone who seemed happy with their beliefs, out of them.

  44. TheMadLibrarian says:

    Is not having a vendor permit the main reason for refusing Reverend Joey permission to perform her activities? That seems to be the main issue here. The question is once the Rev. completes the paperwork, if her application would receive the same consideration as any other vendor. If so, fine; if not, then you have a case for discrimination or whatnot.

  45. Darren Garrison says:

    Let’s see– she’s either batshit insane or a conman (uh, sorry– conWOMAN). So-= she belongs either in a padded cell in a nuthatch or in a barred cell in a prison.

    http://www.reverendjoey.com/services.html

  46. wolfiesma says:

    What is the purpose of the permitting system? Is it to protect the public, or is to make jobs for beaurocrats??? What is so ding dang wrong with having a big open market where all kinds of people could sell (or give away) all kinds of things???

    P.S. Witches and Wiccans are cool! And funny too!

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      What is the purpose of the permitting system?

      Revenue. In theory, I would have to get a business license here even if I wanted to do Tarot readings in my own living room. Some cities rely very heavily on junk fees.

  47. Siamang says:

    “What is so ding dang wrong with …”

    Careful. You almost said “Ding Dong”, and I would have accused you of advocating religious murder by dropping houses on Wiccans.

  48. failix says:

    Pause… Why the F are there so many Wiccans and ex-Wiccans reading BB?!

  49. FoetusNail says:

    I think this last bit from the article reflects on the real problem.

    Vendor Russ Sartori said it’s never bothered him to have Talley telling fortunes a few feet from his strawberry stand, but he can understand the association’s position.

    “Rules are rules,” said Sartori, who operates Sartori’s Strawberry Field in Tomales Bay. “She should just sell something.”

    sometimes capitalists are more afraid of someone giving it away than whether or not they are a witch.

  50. Blackhat says:

    Would love to know the whole story behind this. She’s not selling anything and she’s not taking up space that they’d otherwise give to a merchant, apparently, so it seems like the market association’s using the “rules is rules” argument simply to get rid of her. But Fairfax is a pretty tolerant town from what I see and I’d be surprised if this was some sort of religious issue… Wonder what the real situation is?

  51. EH says:

    #62: That’s right! It’s all about fear, just like criticism of Sarah Palin is caused by fear of her becoming President.

    However, this issue does seem to hinge on her not actually selling anything. But really, MARIN? I’m going to have to cleanse myself by watching Serial this weekend.

  52. imake1tgirl says:

    What struck me about this was two things.

    1. She purposefully didn’t get a permit, and and got booted out for selling wares without one. Not really a big deal. She should have to get a permit like everyone else.

    2. She’s a trained clinical psychologist selling quick magical fixes starting at $100 a reading. That bugs me. Sure, there are religious folks that do readings, and figure magical thinking into their religion, but she’s trained as a clinical psychologist. That gives her a definite edge in these interactions, and smacks of scamminess. It also doesn’t help that she worry’s about the teens that can’t afford her fee. That bugs me mightily, yet I am at a loss to articulate it better.

  53. Cpt. Tim says:

    My god. Permits? Its like something out of the inquisition.

  54. Anonymous says:

    Simple solution, get a permit, IF they don’t grant her one THEN you can get all uppity

  55. foobar says:

    Can’t she just put a glamour on her application?

  56. TroofSeeker says:

    Wow! This was some thread! Xoph, mi amigo, I didn’t really sense animosity toward wiccan- just the usual sort of teasing, like your religion is some sort of cartoony joke. You’ve shown yourself to be big enough to turn around and apologize. That deserves a whole lot of respect, and you’ve got mine. I hope things get better for you, buddy.

  57. ill lich says:

    It’s all fun and games until someone gets turned into a newt.

  58. Keneke says:

    I seem to see a lot of links between woo and plain ol’ mundane irresponsibility. Sometimes I wonder if procrastination, magical thinking, denial, etc. are all part of the same psychological defense mechanism. Or perhaps magical thinking enables denial.

  59. RedMonkey says:

    How do we know she’s a witch?

  60. RogueModron says:

    Consider this.

    Imagine that this story is instead about a christian priest, who provides prayer and counseling getting booted. Do you feel exactly the same way about it? There’s no difference between a magic book and magic water making you feel better, and the services a wiccan could provide to make you feel better.

    Should free religious services be treated as sold services? If she has actual money transactions at the market, then yeah a permit is appropriate. But if this is free religious advice, should she really be made to get a permit?

  61. FoetusNail says:

    When she is at the fair, she offers her services for free. The reference to $100 per session is if she were to see them in an office as a clinical psychologist.

    But Talley believes she’s providing a free public service and has been gathering signatures on a petition asking that she be allowed to stick around.

  62. Anonymous says:

    Here is Rhode Island we have jerks who run the farmers market too.

    They denied the award winning Cutie Pie lady who makes amazing scratch crust pies with 400 flavors and recipes dating back to 1820, She was denied entry to the market even though she is winning all the best of rhode island awards and has been doing this for a couple of years.

  63. Anonymous says:

    if she weighs more than a duck, then she is a witch

  64. FoetusNail says:

    When the Rev. Talley see people at the fair, she offers her services for free. The reference to $100 per session, is if she were to see a client in an office as a trained clinical psychologist.

    But Talley believes she’s providing a free public service and has been gathering signatures on a petition asking that she be allowed to stick around.

    There are rational and irrational fears, my friend.

  65. Tdawwg says:

    I think it was the Kindertotentorte she was hawking that alerted folks to her witchiness….

  66. Anonymous says:

    I’m sort of torn about this. Last time I checked the Constitution recognizes a virtually unlimited right to contract. But at the same time if someone with that much education in psychology thinks she’s a witch (she turned me into a Newt!… I got betta) how merchantable could her services be?

  67. ncl says:

    The thing people are missing when they talk about whether she should need a ‘permit’ is that this isn’t a permit from the town.

    It’s a public park, but as the article notes, the Marin Farmers Market has reserved it for the time slot in question. If the town gives them exclusive use of the park during their reservation, they have the right to decide who can and can’t set up shop.

    It’s really not all that different from reserving the park for a party and being able to kick out someone who’s causing a problem.

    Given that, the issue of whether or not the town should be able to require permits for religious exercise is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

  68. minTphresh says:

    xopher, my friend. blessed be! don’t know if u r still out there reading this bs, but if u r, just know that some of us out here are pulling for u! am sending positive thoughts your way, don’t know if they are doing any good, but dont feel that they can do any damage. yer one of the good ones, damnit! so don’t let the rabble get u down. a thousand blessings on your house-the rev.dr.

  69. Xopher says:

    OK, folks, she’s a Wiccan. As am I. We call ourselves Witches sometimes.

    If she were selling services (which I don’t think would be right), she certainly should apply like any other vendor. You can certainly debate whether she ought to have to apply to give away free services, which is what she’s doing.

    But please lay off dissing her (and my) religion. I’m not speaking with my Adjunct Moderator hat on, but I will ask Antinous to weigh in.

  70. stegodon says:

    Hmmmm…. does she float?

  71. Xopher says:

    …or if you’re going to attack Wicca, at least do so for things that are true. I mean, we worship rocks. It’s not tough.

    TDawwg, I see you read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the original.

  72. Ted8305 says:

    I wonder why she didn’t see it coming…

  73. TroofSeeker says:

    NCL’s got a good point- if she’s just sitting there providing free advice, via tarot or whatever, and isn’t selling anything, does she need a permit or business license? Do the religious people handing out tracts and pamphlets need a permit? Not exactly the same, tho- she’s not promoting Wiccan, she’s promoting her business, for which she charges by the hour. There might be a roofing company next to her, and they, too, are promoting their services, maybe giving out free pens.
    She signed something when she paid for her booth. It must contain conditions of usage…
    Do what the Man says, Lady. Play by his rules or play elsewhere.

  74. TroofSeeker says:

    Trippcook-
    I have to wonder how you came by this fact.
    A woman is troubled- should she trust her man? Her friends are saying she shouldn’t- that all men are cheating pigs. She goes to a psychic and has her palm read. It looks right, the psychic assures her that he’s a good man, and she leaves feeling assured and trusts her man and they mend their relationship and live happily together.
    Maybe it ain’t magic, but sometimes it works. FYI.

  75. Bucket says:

    I say ‘Huzzah!’ to the organizers. I really hate going to the farmers market near my house and discovering that there’s one fruit stand selling a bushel of mushy strawberries for $8/lb and 20 tents selling woo-woo crystals and ceramics that look like they were made by a 6th grade special ed art class.

    And don’t even get me started about the peruvian pan flutes…

  76. JIMWICh says:

    When people get all defensive about their religions, it makes the baby Flying Spaghetti Monster cry.

  77. Tdawwg says:

    Huh? I don’t care about Wiccans. It was a “witch-baking-kids-in-pies-a-la-Hansel-and-Gretel” joke: Kindertotentorten, “dead-children-torte,” right? I was playing against the popularized, Disneyified stereotype of Witches (i.e., they eat kids), not actual Wiccans, witches, pagans, etc.: I don’t have a dog in that fight, couldn’t care less.

    I have had, and currently have, Wiccan friends, BTW. False outrage FAIL.

    Maybe you didn’t get the German neologism? It wasn’t offensive to your beliefs in any way, so chill. A lame joke, maybe (I find it hi-larious), but not a knock against your belief system, “religion,” or whatever you call it.

    And to go from that to accusations of anti-Semitism is odious in the extreme sir. So please refer that baseless accusation to Antinous while you’re at it.

    Again: it was a joke. Chill.

  78. nanuq says:

    “How do we know she’s a witch?”

    Didn’t you see Monty Python and The Holy Grail. If she weighs less than a duck, then she’s a witch.

  79. Jim says:

    Maybe I missed something… I didn’t see anything in the article about her being asked to leave because she’s a Wiccan. The problem appears to be that she doesn’t have the proper permissions to set up at the farmers market.

    Nothing to see here.. move along…

  80. dudemanguy says:

    This seems simple to me. If she doens’t have the required permit then she shouldn’t be there. Unless of course they’re going to let everyone else slide and require no permits of any kind. She seems like a nice lady. So what?

  81. Lobster says:

    Yeah, witches need permits just like everyone else. I don’t see what I’m supposed to be outraged about.

  82. trippcook says:

    Real Talk — magic isn’t real. This shit has never and will never work. Just an FYI.

  83. Anonymous says:

    The key here is that it’s a FARMERS market, not a witches market.

  84. Jason Pitzl-Waters says:

    I’m a Pagan, and I think the Farmer’s Market were completely correct to give her the boot. She admits to “sneaking” behind the organizers’ backs and not even trying to apply to be there (“entertainers” have to apply too). This sort of manufactured controversy just makes us all look bad.

    I’d also like to point out that she runs a business where she charges $100 bucks per reading (extra for spellwork too, no doubt), so her “free” samples are pretty much a form of advertising, not some humanitarian outreach to the tarot-less.

    I merely remark.

  85. Triseult says:

    Oh, the poor teenagers! Now they can’t go up to her at the farmers’ market, but instead they have to pay $100 for a tarot session! Won’t somebody think of the children?

    I don’t care about this any more than if it were a Christian or an atheist pushing their rhetoric at the farmer’s market. Take your religious talk somewhere else.

  86. IWood says:

    A witch without a permit is a recipe for erroneous zombies and love spell murders.

    Disaster on the hoof, I say!

  87. Ray Maurwa says:

    “It’s that process, Spilger said, that lets customers know what they see at the market is what they’ll get.”

    Of course anyone can believe whatever they want to, but if she’s been selling “charms” and the like at the market then obviously she’s been deceiving quite a few people. She should certainly be held to some kind of application process and have to show proof that her customers will receive a positive outcome (or even any sort of demonstrable change) because of the services she performs.

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