How cats manipulate us

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  1. flipcloud says:

    @ #10: After reading the blurb not sure I buy into domestication as an evolutionary trait. Especially considering that first generation of cat’s born away from humans become feral and averse to human contact. Feral cats are about as domestic as your average neighborhood possum.

  2. Secret_Life_of_Plants says:

    I agree with 12 – its the protozoan Toxoplasma gondii !!!

  3. peterbruells says:

    @10 and @13

    Well, cat are domesticated. For one things, their colour scheme is that of an domesticated mammal – undomesticated animals are quite distinct.

    And while cats go feral quite nicely, kittens of feral cats imprint very fast on humans when taken at the right time. Puppies of dogs actually seek out humans – dogs are the only species that can track and interpret humans “pointing” with their eyes – while wolf puppies can get quite time and be friendly but will usually fall back to wolf behaviour.

    Also, it’s very unlikely that dogs were bred to become domesticated – it’s far more likely that it was beneficial to their ancestor to get along with humans by eating their trash and staying near camp. Quite accidental, so at that time it was natural selection.

  4. Brainspore says:

    @flipcloud #13:

    After reading the blurb not sure I buy into domestication as an evolutionary trait. Especially considering that first generation of cat’s born away from humans become feral and averse to human contact.

    True, but you could say the same about children that grow up without human contact.

  5. Phikus says:

    I for one welcome our feline masters, every day when I get home from work. =D

  6. Anonymous says:

    There’s a old saying, “It is for her own good that the cat purrs”.

  7. kalilhasa says:

    How much money did they get for this study???? Come on over to my house… happens every morning.

  8. techdeviant says:

    I think cats can communicate if they want to and if they think you are watching. I have lived with my feral cat for almost 8 years now, and he knows exactly how to tell me what he wants (like that he lost his toy under the dresser and that he needs my help to get it out).

    On the other hand, I adopted a 2 year old cat from the shelter who was obviously abused and she is often confused by most of the things I’m saying to her. I think she doesn’t communicate because she has never experienced that working out well for her.

  9. lummels says:

    I CAN HAZ WHATEVER I WANT! MEOW!

  10. Balena Sylska says:

    Is it manipulation if one knows what is going on? I think not. I am the owner of three female cats and 1)they do not do that low frequency sound (could it be because they have never been around a baby?); 2) of course they try to get your attention, indepedent as cats may be, if they live with a human they would need the human to feed them and to care for them, and as far as I know cats do not use articulated human language; 3) as it is pointed out in the study, the sound is learnt, therefore what the study really proves is not that cat manipulate (or other animals, for that matter), but that they learn, and that they do make the effort to communicate with us, which is more than can be said for some pet owners. So, congratulations!!!, that animals learn and communicate is been proved…again

  11. Brett Burton says:

    My cat knows not to meow until I’m already out of bed. He gets fed two times a day and the rest of the time he keeps his mouth shut. Maybe it’s breed specific, but i’ve never had the problems you guys talk about. I work for no feline!

  12. Anonymous says:

    Manipulation? Maybe. Communication? Yes. Until cats learn the Queen’s English or whatever native human tongue is spoken at home variations on the meow will have to do.

  13. Takuan says:

    guess who will be found dead in their bed tomorrow with a warm spot on the pillow.

  14. Fatal Bert says:

    #3: Aristotle asserted that lightweight objects fall slower than heavy objects. Drop a rock, then drop a feather. Which one falls slower? It’s obvious!

    This was an accepted truth for almost 2000 years until Galileo decided to actually TRY dropping objects of different weights to see what happened.

    Obvious is not the same as true.

  15. MrJM says:

    “[C]ats learn to dramatically exaggerate it when it proves effective in generating a response from humans.”

    In my experience, the same principle applies to co-habitants of any species.

    – MrJM

  16. MollyMaguire says:

    How did the proposal for this study even get through the grant committee? This is obvious to any cat owner – or parent.

  17. Blaven says:

    I have a pug that makes snorting sounds like that. Pretty sure she is doing it for the same reasons.

  18. dagibbs says:

    I’ve always said that dogs have owners, but cats have staff.

  19. flipcloud says:

    Reminds me of this one from a while back:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ffwDYo00Q

    Not too far off.

  20. Phikus says:

    32 comments and no pussy jokes? What’s the world coming to?

  21. Anonymous says:

    This is nothing. you should see how the lab mice study and manipulate the scientist…

  22. Anonymous says:

    I remember reading the exact same heading but in reference to the toxoplasmosis bacteria causing humans to be more caring and therefore take better care of their cats or something crap like that… This is on the same level as that ;)

  23. Anonymous says:

    #15 – Horses understand pointing too. I’m sure there are many species who do, if we took the time to pay attention.

    One of my most favorite quotes: Anyone who calls an animal stupid, was probably just outsmarted by that animal!

  24. technogeek says:

    #2: Exactly. We train pets, they train us, and there’s negotiation to find a compromise point. Ditto for kids, ditto for adults. You get the behavior you reinforce.

  25. desiredusername says:

    I am pretty sure human babies also learn whatever they can do to get what they need.

    Some are good at playing out cuteness others throw some fiery tantrums.

  26. Anonymous says:

    #23: That’s the point. Feathers do fall more slowly than rocks. However, this isn’t because they’re lighter–it’s because they’re less aerodynamic. If you try dropping two objects of the same size and shape but different weight, they fall at the same speed. But because it’s so obvious that lighter objects fall slower than heavy ones, no one bothered to do that until Galileo.

  27. historyman68 says:

    #22 – I was gonna make the same point. Science exists to, among other things, determine whether the things we consider “obvious” are actually true.

  28. Anonymous says:

    There was a fascinating blurb in the NY Times the other day discussing a study about evolution of domestication, with a section on cats—arguing that cats were never truly domesticated, through a process of artificial selection, like dogs from wolves. Instead, it is suggested that domestic cats have evolved from wildcats by a process of natural selection.
    “The best inference is that wildcats exploiting human environments were simply tolerated by people, and, over time and space, they gradually diverged from their ‘wild’ relatives.”
    The NY Times blurb is here:
    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/in-scorn-and-praise-of-cats/?scp=2&sq=cats&st=cse
    The original scientific article from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is here:
    http://www.pnas.org/content/106/suppl.1/9971.full.pdf+html

  29. Hamish Kuzminski says:

    I think I speak for all cat “owners” on this board, when I say: “This is /news/??!”

  30. xzzy says:

    This just in, animals are more intelligent than they’re given credit for. More at 11!

    Cats can be extremely effective at communication if you watch for it. I assume most animals are like this as well, I just have never lived with any of them.

    I think a lot of people have a habit of ignoring the cues from their pet, and act surprised when they do something ‘smart’. Or when trashy research like this gets attention.

  31. Kat Johnston says:

    My cats are mistresses of telling me what to do… and working out what I’m doing. Every time we need to lock them away or take them to the vet, we have to be very natural… and even then it never works. Dang smarty pants cats.

  32. Anonymous says:

    I have found that this is the same story with all co-habitants of any animal species… but especially crocodiles.

  33. subhan says:

    It’s not the cats, it’s the toxoplasmoids

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