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	<title>Comments on: Sussex cops try to suppress publication of damning traffic-cam photos by claiming&#160;copyright</title>
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		<title>By: george57l</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547854</link>
		<dc:creator>george57l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#5
&quot;think a little&quot; as in &quot;do it&quot; 

Ask this unfortunate lawyer what material damage is caused by what she alleges to be copyright infringement. Are the cops expecting to earn further revenue from licensing this image elsewhere? Revenue which will be diluted if it is left on this website? If so, we should be told, if not, where&#039;s the harm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#5<br />
&#8220;think a little&#8221; as in &#8220;do it&#8221; </p>
<p>Ask this unfortunate lawyer what material damage is caused by what she alleges to be copyright infringement. Are the cops expecting to earn further revenue from licensing this image elsewhere? Revenue which will be diluted if it is left on this website? If so, we should be told, if not, where&#8217;s the harm?</p>
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		<title>By: webmonkees</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547864</link>
		<dc:creator>webmonkees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sirs at Speed Camera Cash Cow Inc:

On May 20th, 2009, I produced a exclusive series of artistically inspired portraits of my vehicle. I have initiated a copyright on said photography, and any derivative works, such as your photo taken 6/15/08, are in violation of my copyright.

I have a agreement with other owners of the same make and model vehicle for sharing of this copyright. As a designated representative of this group, I must insist that you cease and desist in continuing to photograph our unique and protected design.

We expect compliance with this notice, in that all photographs of Honda A300 MiniMax are in violation of a protected creative work and no further publication be permitted in any form.

Any future violation of these terms will be considered infringement and will be met with legal action.

Yours sincerely etc., William Knickers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sirs at Speed Camera Cash Cow Inc:</p>
<p>On May 20th, 2009, I produced a exclusive series of artistically inspired portraits of my vehicle. I have initiated a copyright on said photography, and any derivative works, such as your photo taken 6/15/08, are in violation of my copyright.</p>
<p>I have a agreement with other owners of the same make and model vehicle for sharing of this copyright. As a designated representative of this group, I must insist that you cease and desist in continuing to photograph our unique and protected design.</p>
<p>We expect compliance with this notice, in that all photographs of Honda A300 MiniMax are in violation of a protected creative work and no further publication be permitted in any form.</p>
<p>Any future violation of these terms will be considered infringement and will be met with legal action.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely etc., William Knickers.</p>
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		<title>By: george57l</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547869</link>
		<dc:creator>george57l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>then again -- lucky it wasn&#039;t a Ford or Webmomkee&#039;s post would be true by now.

http://boingboing.net/2008/01/13/ford-car-owners-are.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>then again &#8212; lucky it wasn&#8217;t a Ford or Webmomkee&#8217;s post would be true by now.</p>
<p><a href="http://boingboing.net/2008/01/13/ford-car-owners-are.html" rel="nofollow">http://boingboing.net/2008/01/13/ford-car-owners-are.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: george57l</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547870</link>
		<dc:creator>george57l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS - sorry for the typos, Webmonkees.</description>
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		<title>By: liatach</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-548669</link>
		<dc:creator>liatach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Webmonkees
/Win</description>
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/Win</p>
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		<title>By: airshowfan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547908</link>
		<dc:creator>airshowfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you push the button that triggers the picture being taken, you own the copyright. So don&#039;t the drivers own the copyright?

I&#039;m not entirely serious, of course; In the case where the bulk of the work is setting up the equipment, just pushing the button doesn&#039;t make someone the owner. Still...

And isn&#039;t there some legal principle in the US about work produced by the federal government being in the public domain? Whatever drives that principle should be enough to keep police in the UK from making copyright claims on their &quot;work&quot;, I would guess. That is, if the Law made sense...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you push the button that triggers the picture being taken, you own the copyright. So don&#8217;t the drivers own the copyright?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely serious, of course; In the case where the bulk of the work is setting up the equipment, just pushing the button doesn&#8217;t make someone the owner. Still&#8230;</p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t there some legal principle in the US about work produced by the federal government being in the public domain? Whatever drives that principle should be enough to keep police in the UK from making copyright claims on their &#8220;work&#8221;, I would guess. That is, if the Law made sense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547936</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask this unfortunate lawyer what material damage is caused by what she alleges to be copyright infringement. Are the cops expecting to earn further revenue from licensing this image elsewhere?i just found   this amazing &lt;a title=href=&quot;http://www.citidirect.co.uk&quot;&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;, it has all kind of &lt;a title=&quot;http://www.citidirect.co.uk/&quot; href=&quot;http://www.citidirect.co.uk&quot;&gt;businesses&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask this unfortunate lawyer what material damage is caused by what she alleges to be copyright infringement. Are the cops expecting to earn further revenue from licensing this image elsewhere?i just found   this amazing <a title=href="http://www.citidirect.co.uk">website</a>, it has all kind of <a title="http://www.citidirect.co.uk/" href="http://www.citidirect.co.uk">businesses</a> </p>
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		<title>By: ill lich</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547956</link>
		<dc:creator>ill lich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when are the police having an exhibition of their &quot;art photos?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when are the police having an exhibition of their &#8220;art photos?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cory</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547990</link>
		<dc:creator>cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, bonfire, how about some nice petrol?</description>
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		<title>By: DWittSF</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547991</link>
		<dc:creator>DWittSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least they didn&#039;t play the &#039;terrorism&#039; canard.</description>
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		<title>By: mgfarrelly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547742</link>
		<dc:creator>mgfarrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, no, no Cory, you&#039;re missing the point. The police are protecting the emergent AI within the traffic cam network which is trying to express itself creatively. 

Pity the poor thing. So far it&#039;s been limited to blinking out the lyrics to &quot;Smiths&quot; songs in morse code using traffic lights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, no Cory, you&#8217;re missing the point. The police are protecting the emergent AI within the traffic cam network which is trying to express itself creatively. </p>
<p>Pity the poor thing. So far it&#8217;s been limited to blinking out the lyrics to &#8220;Smiths&#8221; songs in morse code using traffic lights.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547748</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it is creative. Creative lawmongering.</description>
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		<title>By: Baldhead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-548004</link>
		<dc:creator>Baldhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*face palm*

And while I&#039;m not about to bother this lawyer myself I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d condemn someonw doing it. After all, it seems this is one of those &quot;sue first, find out if there&#039;s a law that supports you later&quot; lawyers. All lawyers who file legal claims with no legal grounding should be charged with contempt of court since really, that&#039;s what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*face palm*</p>
<p>And while I&#8217;m not about to bother this lawyer myself I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d condemn someonw doing it. After all, it seems this is one of those &#8220;sue first, find out if there&#8217;s a law that supports you later&#8221; lawyers. All lawyers who file legal claims with no legal grounding should be charged with contempt of court since really, that&#8217;s what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-548005</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crown Copyright is really all that needs to be said, terrible idea, always was, always will be.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547756</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This being the same Sussex police that were found to be the most corrupt police force in the country?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off topic - there are many hundreds if not tens of thousands of GATSO speed cameras which have NEVER had their power supply units calibrated.

The camera units themselves are sent across the North Sea to the Netherlands for calibration, shipped back and then reinstalled. There are plenty of Boingers who will understand the implications here.

There are some members of a UK motoring site who have good legal, professional and technical standing - and luckily for us UK drivers, they are pursuing this calibration matter via the courts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic &#8211; there are many hundreds if not tens of thousands of GATSO speed cameras which have NEVER had their power supply units calibrated.</p>
<p>The camera units themselves are sent across the North Sea to the Netherlands for calibration, shipped back and then reinstalled. There are plenty of Boingers who will understand the implications here.</p>
<p>There are some members of a UK motoring site who have good legal, professional and technical standing &#8211; and luckily for us UK drivers, they are pursuing this calibration matter via the courts. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547791</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was public knowledge that the reason they have lines on the road is so they can check your speed manually if you dispute the speed camera reading.</description>
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		<title>By: WalterBillington</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547792</link>
		<dc:creator>WalterBillington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copyright!  Lovely!  Here they are been applying a faulty and inaccurate system for so long and they swing up with copyright!  That country air sure must be chock-full o&#039; horse shit, because that&#039;s all this is!

Sussex - arh!  Get orf moi land!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright!  Lovely!  Here they are been applying a faulty and inaccurate system for so long and they swing up with copyright!  That country air sure must be chock-full o&#8217; horse shit, because that&#8217;s all this is!</p>
<p>Sussex &#8211; arh!  Get orf moi land!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-547798</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WalterBillington:
Why on earth are you behaving as though Sussex is a rural place? The South East is one of the most densely populated parts of Britain, while the Mummerset accent is supposed to be West Country, rather than the Home Counties....

(Anon. grew up in Sussex, now lives in darkest Devon. It&#039;s like putting on a mockney accent for a Welsh miner.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WalterBillington:<br />
Why on earth are you behaving as though Sussex is a rural place? The South East is one of the most densely populated parts of Britain, while the Mummerset accent is supposed to be West Country, rather than the Home Counties&#8230;.</p>
<p>(Anon. grew up in Sussex, now lives in darkest Devon. It&#8217;s like putting on a mockney accent for a Welsh miner.)</p>
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		<title>By: MadMolecule</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-548064</link>
		<dc:creator>MadMolecule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#10:  Yes, anything produced by the US federal government is in the public domain (though the government is allowed to own copyrights that are transferred to it).  As near as I can tell, though, in the UK works of the government are protected by &quot;Crown copyright.&quot;  In other words, Yes, the government does appear to own the copyright in these works.

As for those deriding the copyright issue by saying the photos aren&#039;t &quot;artistic&quot;:  Since when does that matter?  Who are you to decide what&#039;s artistic?  Does this mean that William Eggleston&#039;s photos are deserving of copyright protection, but my vacation snapshots aren&#039;t?  What if someone takes my vacation snapshots and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bighappyfunhouse.com&quot;&gt;does something artistic with them&lt;/a&gt;?  Or uses them &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8094420.stm&quot;&gt;in an advertisement&lt;/a&gt;?

This discussion is enlightening.  If nothing else, I thought we could all agree that laws are supposed to apply to everyone equally.  Blind justice, and all that.  Apparently that doesn&#039;t apply when it&#039;s the Big Bad Scary Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#10:  Yes, anything produced by the US federal government is in the public domain (though the government is allowed to own copyrights that are transferred to it).  As near as I can tell, though, in the UK works of the government are protected by &#8220;Crown copyright.&#8221;  In other words, Yes, the government does appear to own the copyright in these works.</p>
<p>As for those deriding the copyright issue by saying the photos aren&#8217;t &#8220;artistic&#8221;:  Since when does that matter?  Who are you to decide what&#8217;s artistic?  Does this mean that William Eggleston&#8217;s photos are deserving of copyright protection, but my vacation snapshots aren&#8217;t?  What if someone takes my vacation snapshots and <a href="http://www.bighappyfunhouse.com">does something artistic with them</a>?  Or uses them <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8094420.stm">in an advertisement</a>?</p>
<p>This discussion is enlightening.  If nothing else, I thought we could all agree that laws are supposed to apply to everyone equally.  Blind justice, and all that.  Apparently that doesn&#8217;t apply when it&#8217;s the Big Bad Scary Government.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/21/sussex-cops-try-to-s.html#comment-548075</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baldy:

I don&#039;t know if a lawyer could be charged with &quot;contempt of court&quot; before the case has even gone to court (I&#039;ll have to check with my attorney on that one).  But legal malpractice is certainly an option here, provided the attorney&#039;s client has been harmed by her actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baldy:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if a lawyer could be charged with &#8220;contempt of court&#8221; before the case has even gone to court (I&#8217;ll have to check with my attorney on that one).  But legal malpractice is certainly an option here, provided the attorney&#8217;s client has been harmed by her actions.</p>
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		<title>By: meeware</title>
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		<dc:creator>meeware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoah there boingers!  You do know that two clicks through from your article you get to this page http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/pix/uk-sussexltr.jpg which includes the poor sad idiotic lawyers email address?!?!  Now, much as I love harrangueing those who willfully abuse legal frameworks, this is probably a junior clerk in an office in the frankly parochial town of Lewes (not even the bustling metropolis of Brighton) who is about to have a shit storm of abuse hit her inbox from the four corners of the bloggoshere.  Maybe that&#039;s ok, maye not, but perhaps we ought to think a little about that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoah there boingers!  You do know that two clicks through from your article you get to this page <a href="http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/pix/uk-sussexltr.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/pix/uk-sussexltr.jpg</a> which includes the poor sad idiotic lawyers email address?!?!  Now, much as I love harrangueing those who willfully abuse legal frameworks, this is probably a junior clerk in an office in the frankly parochial town of Lewes (not even the bustling metropolis of Brighton) who is about to have a shit storm of abuse hit her inbox from the four corners of the bloggoshere.  Maybe that&#8217;s ok, maye not, but perhaps we ought to think a little about that.</p>
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		<title>By: WalterBillington</title>
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		<dc:creator>WalterBillington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wait wait wait!!!

Surely if the car is driven through the camera zone as a performance, then the driver has the copyright to that performance?  And hence the imagery of?

C&#039;mon ... make it work!

Sorry, I also grew up in Sussex.  As buckshot whizzed over my head as I fled arse-up from poaching strawberries, I never really had time or inclination to figure out exactly what was being shouted, but Viz&#039;s farmer seemed to fit the bill nicely.

As for being densely populated - maybe compared to the Sahara.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wait wait wait!!!</p>
<p>Surely if the car is driven through the camera zone as a performance, then the driver has the copyright to that performance?  And hence the imagery of?</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon &#8230; make it work!</p>
<p>Sorry, I also grew up in Sussex.  As buckshot whizzed over my head as I fled arse-up from poaching strawberries, I never really had time or inclination to figure out exactly what was being shouted, but Viz&#8217;s farmer seemed to fit the bill nicely.</p>
<p>As for being densely populated &#8211; maybe compared to the Sahara.</p>
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		<description>I call shenanigans the on claim of copyright ownership. I fail to see either an artistic work, or something involving expenditure of effort or skill.</description>
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