Comments on: Apple's new Final Cut Studio is out (short version: I am impressed). http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sun, 26 May 2013 00:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551180 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551180 Motion is the Fisher Price of motion graphics. FCS is for video and audio editing, and Adobe CS is for graphics. Sure there's Premiere, but it's not FCP just as Motion is not After Effects. In this recession, I am trying to justify spending $1,000 when I am not earning thousands per week like I used to. This makes me want to wait it out and possibly download a pirated version. Besides, motion graphics are more important for what I do. However, every once in a while I need help, and pirated FCS is always lacking due to the sum of parts. The ability to export while editing seems a bit persuasive though. Other than that, not sure I wanna pay $1,000 for the minor upgrades. Motion is the Fisher Price of motion graphics. FCS is for video and audio editing, and Adobe CS is for graphics. Sure there’s Premiere, but it’s not FCP just as Motion is not After Effects.

In this recession, I am trying to justify spending $1,000 when I am not earning thousands per week like I used to. This makes me want to wait it out and possibly download a pirated version. Besides, motion graphics are more important for what I do. However, every once in a while I need help, and pirated FCS is always lacking due to the sum of parts.

The ability to export while editing seems a bit persuasive though. Other than that, not sure I wanna pay $1,000 for the minor upgrades.

]]> By: Xeni Jardin http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551700 Xeni Jardin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551700 For those saying "meh," I'd wager this: most commenters pooh-poohing FCP here are likely not professional video editors who must rely on a video tool to earn their daily bread. If you're editing and outputting video from time to time for fun, there are other options. Including iMovie, yes, and including the open source editors, or Sony's tool, or whatever it is that Windows offers. But if video is your lifeblood, and your days involved output deadlines, there are three choices: Adobe, Avid, and FCP. Of those three, FCP has more than 50 percent market share at this point, for a variety of good reasons. XJ For those saying “meh,” I’d wager this: most commenters pooh-poohing FCP here are likely not professional video editors who must rely on a video tool to earn their daily bread.

If you’re editing and outputting video from time to time for fun, there are other options. Including iMovie, yes, and including the open source editors, or Sony’s tool, or whatever it is that Windows offers.

But if video is your lifeblood, and your days involved output deadlines, there are three choices: Adobe, Avid, and FCP.

Of those three, FCP has more than 50 percent market share at this point, for a variety of good reasons.

XJ

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551203 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551203 Can anyone please suggest any good open source/free video production software? I keep looking around every so often, but I can't seem to find anything that doesn't have an ugly GUI or that doesn't crash after 5 minutes of use. Thanks! Can anyone please suggest any good open source/free video production software? I keep looking around every so often, but I can’t seem to find anything that doesn’t have an ugly GUI or that doesn’t crash after 5 minutes of use. Thanks!

]]> By: cycle23 http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551717 cycle23 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551717 "...or whatever it is that Windows offers." "But if video is your lifeblood, and your days involved output deadlines, there are three choices: Adobe, Avid, and FCP." FCP is the only one not on Windows, and that's only because you can't install acronyms using the Win32 API. “…or whatever it is that Windows offers.”

“But if video is your lifeblood, and your days involved output deadlines, there are three choices: Adobe, Avid, and FCP.”

FCP is the only one not on Windows, and that’s only because you can’t install acronyms using the Win32 API.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551207 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551207 Oddly, it's not 64bit Oddly, it’s not 64bit

]]> By: the_headless_rabbit http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551224 the_headless_rabbit Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551224 #19 I have been looking for the same thing for 6 months now. Sadly, multimedia production is not yet a high priority in the FOSS world. 90% of my computing is done in Ubuntu, but I need to load windows for my video/audio work. (I've got Vegas 7 running in the background right now) so far, cinelerra is supposed to be the best, but i still find it unusable. Kino wont ever find my firewire. Virtual Dub is amazing for some stuff, (and it works under WINE) but it can't do everything. Blender actually has a video editor built in, but it's very hard to use. Adobe Premier is garbage, i'm not going to buy a mac just for FCP, and I am VERY satisfied with Sony Vegas. the day FOSS can match the function and ease of use of Vegas, I will jump ship immediately. #19 I have been looking for the same thing for 6 months now. Sadly, multimedia production is not yet a high priority in the FOSS world.

90% of my computing is done in Ubuntu, but I need to load windows for my video/audio work. (I’ve got Vegas 7 running in the background right now)

so far, cinelerra is supposed to be the best, but i still find it unusable. Kino wont ever find my firewire. Virtual Dub is amazing for some stuff, (and it works under WINE) but it can’t do everything. Blender actually has a video editor built in, but it’s very hard to use.

Adobe Premier is garbage, i’m not going to buy a mac just for FCP, and I am VERY satisfied with Sony Vegas. the day FOSS can match the function and ease of use of Vegas, I will jump ship immediately.

]]> By: normd http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551484 normd Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551484 As someone who is just getting involved with video for the web, this does look interesting and encouraging. If I ever have a project of significant size, I will consider investing in the software. As for FOSS alternatives, I tried Kino a couple of years ago, without good results. Took the plunge and got a Mac; iMovie was easy enough for every family member to use. I would love to see a FOSS video editing app on a par with Blender. As someone who is just getting involved with video for the web, this does look interesting and encouraging. If I ever have a project of significant size, I will consider investing in the software.

As for FOSS alternatives, I tried Kino a couple of years ago, without good results. Took the plunge and got a Mac; iMovie was easy enough for every family member to use.

I would love to see a FOSS video editing app on a par with Blender.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551232 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551232 I'm just not seeing it. With the exception of background exporting everything else are just Minor upgrades. I’m just not seeing it. With the exception of background exporting everything else are just Minor upgrades.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551754 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551754 As an editor who uses Final Cut every day, and has for years and years -- this is a nice upgrade, but most professionals are seeing it as a "slight" upgrade. It seems more like a .5 than meriting a full version change. The day Final Cut truly reworks its Media Management architecture is the day that editors will be popping open bottles of champagne the world over. As an editor who uses Final Cut every day, and has for years and years — this is a nice upgrade, but most professionals are seeing it as a “slight” upgrade. It seems more like a .5 than meriting a full version change. The day Final Cut truly reworks its Media Management architecture is the day that editors will be popping open bottles of champagne the world over.

]]> By: dhl http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-552788 dhl Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-552788 @xeni and @newwave background compression is a great new feature but it's always been possible to do this. You just have to first export your piece as a QT movie and run compressor outside of FCP. I've been using this workflow for years as I quickly found out that "export using compressor" locks up the machine and takes forever. Hard disk space is cheap and short form material (assuming it's rendered) will generally export in a few minutes. Bring it into compressor, start your batch and go back to FCP and continue working. This update looks great for lots of reasons, but if they really want to blow some minds and shave serious time off post, how about giving us background *rendering*? I'm posting right now because FCP is busy... @xeni and @newwave

background compression is a great new feature but it’s always been possible to do this. You just have to first export your piece as a QT movie and run compressor outside of FCP. I’ve been using this workflow for years as I quickly found out that “export using compressor” locks up the machine and takes forever. Hard disk space is cheap and short form material (assuming it’s rendered) will generally export in a few minutes. Bring it into compressor, start your batch and go back to FCP and continue working.

This update looks great for lots of reasons, but if they really want to blow some minds and shave serious time off post, how about giving us background *rendering*? I’m posting right now because FCP is busy…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-552029 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-552029 #39 is right. I cut documentaries and broadcast video in NYC- we're talking major tv networks, so I'm pretty familiar with editing software. Why boing-boing is tooting the corporate hype trumpet, I don't know. It's easy to razzle-dazzle people in a demo, but nothing here is that mind-blowing; you could still be on FCP 5 and get your shit done almost as fast. I'm not seeing a 3-month speeding up on workflow here- based on what? Color-coded markers and a timecode window are nice- welcome to 1995, final cut! Media management is their gigantic flaw, and if that's not improved, they're not going to take on avid in any serious way. It's that simple. I like FCP fine, I'm just not believing the hype. #39 is right. I cut documentaries and broadcast video in NYC- we’re talking major tv networks, so I’m pretty familiar with editing software. Why boing-boing is tooting the corporate hype trumpet, I don’t know. It’s easy to razzle-dazzle people in a demo, but nothing here is that mind-blowing; you could still be on FCP 5 and get your shit done almost as fast. I’m not seeing a 3-month speeding up on workflow here- based on what? Color-coded markers and a timecode window are nice- welcome to 1995, final cut! Media management is their gigantic flaw, and if that’s not improved, they’re not going to take on avid in any serious way. It’s that simple. I like FCP fine, I’m just not believing the hype.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-583521 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583521 As someone who's used the app since version 1.0, this is good news, but considering all the problems Snow adapters are experiencing I probably won't upgrade til around New Years time when the kinks get worked out. Anyways, as I said to my editor wannabe musician friends @2001 when they were debating Premiere or FCP, "buying the latest sampler doesn't make you a great music producer!" Same things goes for the softs. I love CS4 and FCS2. It's whatever works for your flow. Really speed is the only thing that matters when you have to do this to pay the rent. And sadly to my dismay the bosses don't get why only 6 gigs of ram in my 8 core for the last year IS REALLY a major factor in why the guy on the 9th floor, who has 16 gigs, works faster. As someone who’s used the app since version 1.0, this is good news, but considering all the problems Snow adapters are experiencing I probably won’t upgrade til around New Years time when the kinks get worked out. Anyways, as I said to my editor wannabe musician friends @2001 when they were debating Premiere or FCP, “buying the latest sampler doesn’t make you a great music producer!” Same things goes for the softs. I love CS4 and FCS2. It’s whatever works for your flow. Really speed is the only thing that matters when you have to do this to pay the rent. And sadly to my dismay the bosses don’t get why only 6 gigs of ram in my 8 core for the last year IS REALLY a major factor in why the guy on the 9th floor, who has 16 gigs, works faster.

]]> By: Padraig http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-552034 Padraig Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-552034 @19 and @21 Go to the Ubuntuforums.org site and pm me (4ebees). I'd be more than happy to help you look at video editing on Linux. You can also check my (slowly developing) site at: www.youcantdothatinlinux.com @19 and @21

Go to the Ubuntuforums.org site and pm me (4ebees).

I’d be more than happy to help you look at video editing on Linux.

You can also check my (slowly developing) site at:

http://www.youcantdothatinlinux.com

]]> By: neWWave http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-552040 neWWave Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-552040 For me, the background compression alone is worth the $300. The boast of better media management and flexible markers are very appealing as well. For me, the background compression alone is worth the $300. The boast of better media management and flexible markers are very appealing as well.

]]> By: teapot http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551274 teapot Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551274 Blah Blah Blah its just software - get over it. Just about the only really time-saving feature for me is the ability to keep editing while exporting, though why this wasnt in any of the previous editions is a mystery to me (well, it's not.. they were obviously holding onto it to wow people later). Can Adobe CS4 do this? Blah Blah Blah its just software – get over it.

Just about the only really time-saving feature for me is the ability to keep editing while exporting, though why this wasnt in any of the previous editions is a mystery to me (well, it’s not.. they were obviously holding onto it to wow people later). Can Adobe CS4 do this?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551021 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551021 I don't see how eliminating 3 months worth of paychecks is much of an improvement. Just saying. I don’t see how eliminating 3 months worth of paychecks is much of an improvement. Just saying.

]]> By: circa86 http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551278 circa86 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551278 Thanks for the Info Xeni, very excited to give FCS and Logic Studio a go. They have added so many things that will significantly improve my workflow as well. Stuff I was able to do that required work arounds now is built right in. Now you have no excuse to give us a new high-end compositing App Apple! And I am still wishing for a full features 3D animation App as well. Thanks for the Info Xeni, very excited to give FCS and Logic Studio a go. They have added so many things that will significantly improve my workflow as well. Stuff I was able to do that required work arounds now is built right in.

Now you have no excuse to give us a new high-end compositing App Apple! And I am still wishing for a full features 3D animation App as well.

]]> By: circa86 http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551279 circa86 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551279 @Anonymous ABOUT No Blu-Ray Support being disappointing. Well. . .there is Blu-Ray support, enough said, do some damn research. @Anonymous

ABOUT No Blu-Ray Support being disappointing.

Well. . .there is Blu-Ray support, enough said, do some damn research.

]]> By: circa86 http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551280 circa86 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551280 To the person using Sony Vegas, you are kidding yourself. Use FCP for a day and you will never think twice. Keep in mind you DO actually have to learn how to use it before your opinion on it is really valid. To the person using Sony Vegas, you are kidding yourself. Use FCP for a day and you will never think twice.

Keep in mind you DO actually have to learn how to use it before your opinion on it is really valid.

]]> By: stevewoolf http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551026 stevewoolf Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551026 Soooo excited about this update! Soooo excited about this update!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551540 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551540 FCP is the best thing about mac. It's Adobe copy (let's be frank - interface? color corrector? drag-video?...) for Windows is good and worthy but the stability makes Windows Me look like a tank... FCP is the best thing about mac. It’s Adobe copy (let’s be frank – interface? color corrector? drag-video?…) for Windows is good and worthy but the stability makes Windows Me look like a tank…

]]> By: mishakorea http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551285 mishakorea Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551285 This is a pretty decent update actually with some interesting ideas. The high-end support through ProRes and AVCHD help operations, the sharing is useful (I'm sure it works, skyping and ichat video has worked for what, 4-5 years?). Better color integration was needed if anyone was to start using it aside from Red workflows (and those could use other tools). A Big piece of this is also Soundtrack's level matching. That's a lot of hours shaved off right there. This is a pretty decent update actually with some interesting ideas. The high-end support through ProRes and AVCHD help operations, the sharing is useful (I’m sure it works, skyping and ichat video has worked for what, 4-5 years?). Better color integration was needed if anyone was to start using it aside from Red workflows (and those could use other tools).
A Big piece of this is also Soundtrack’s level matching. That’s a lot of hours shaved off right there.

]]> By: EricT http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551034 EricT Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551034 Personally I use a PC rather then a Mac. Though I am really more about lighting and grip then post, I still like the editorial process. the Kid got a Mac last year for xmas since I despise all the PC laptops out there. I was thinking ahead and new her interest in video would grow and sure enough she is taking a digital editin class next year in school. We tried to hook our old digital camera up to her laptop and low and behold she had not fire wire. We went to the apple store and tried to figure out how to get the video from the DV camera to her lap top and I even had a copy of Final cut in my hands. Saddly the guys at the apple store were no help. So I said screw it and took a compy that I was not using and upgraded the cpu and got Adobe CS4 Production building a decent bay for both of us to use. Adobe VS Final Cut are really Same Same from all I hear only the preference of the platform makes a difference in choice. Though my bud here who does a lot more editing then I really likes the FCP and will be upgrading to the studio here in a couple of weeks. Personally I use a PC rather then a Mac. Though I am really more about lighting and grip then post, I still like the editorial process. the Kid got a Mac last year for xmas since I despise all the PC laptops out there. I was thinking ahead and new her interest in video would grow and sure enough she is taking a digital editin class next year in school.
We tried to hook our old digital camera up to her laptop and low and behold she had not fire wire. We went to the apple store and tried to figure out how to get the video from the DV camera to her lap top and I even had a copy of Final cut in my hands. Saddly the guys at the apple store were no help. So I said screw it and took a compy that I was not using and upgraded the cpu and got Adobe CS4 Production building a decent bay for both of us to use. Adobe VS Final Cut are really Same Same from all I hear only the preference of the platform makes a difference in choice.
Though my bud here who does a lot more editing then I really likes the FCP and will be upgrading to the studio here in a couple of weeks.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551046 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551046 Anonymous - As Xeni was also saying, you could look at it as being able to create an extra 3 months *more* video in the same time before these updates. Just sayin'... Anonymous – As Xeni was also saying, you could look at it as being able to create an extra 3 months *more* video in the same time before these updates. Just sayin’…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551058 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551058 As a new Mac user and video editor, I am VERY excited about this new software. It looks solid and if I had more money right now, I would buy it! <!-- http://transform-your-mind.blogspot.com/ --> As a new Mac user and video editor, I am VERY excited about this new software. It looks solid and if I had more money right now, I would buy it!

]]> By: Kwolfbrooks http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551826 Kwolfbrooks Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551826 Me want. It's nice to see it's $200 less than the previous version. I might be able to afford this! Me want. It’s nice to see it’s $200 less than the previous version. I might be able to afford this!

]]> By: matisse http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551059 matisse Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551059 The documentation for all the applications in Final Cut Studio (Final Cut Pro, Motion, Color, etc. 15 in all) is now on the web at http://documentation.apple.com/ The documentation for all the applications in Final Cut Studio (Final Cut Pro, Motion, Color, etc. 15 in all) is now on the web at http://documentation.apple.com/

]]> By: Drew from Zhrodague http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551319 Drew from Zhrodague Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551319 Kino seems to be free: http://www.kinodv.org Kino seems to be free:

http://www.kinodv.org

]]> By: claudineonthedole http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551064 claudineonthedole Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551064 This is all wonderful, if it actually works. I've learned the hard way not to jump on the bleeding edge of Apple releases. Especially the ichat theater bit -- i take it you'll still have to do an export and compression of the show before being able to share it, right? And I'd be curious how well the automated level matching works -- there are very expensive boxes out there that still struggle with this. That said, once it's stable, life will be changed for the better! Also, a bit that you guys left out -- I think there is support for native AVC media. This is great -- alot of the consumer video recorded to flash media is in this codec and until now it's been a complete pain to edit. This is all wonderful, if it actually works. I’ve learned the hard way not to jump on the bleeding edge of Apple releases. Especially the ichat theater bit — i take it you’ll still have to do an export and compression of the show before being able to share it, right? And I’d be curious how well the automated level matching works — there are very expensive boxes out there that still struggle with this.

That said, once it’s stable, life will be changed for the better!

Also, a bit that you guys left out — I think there is support for native AVC media. This is great — alot of the consumer video recorded to flash media is in this codec and until now it’s been a complete pain to edit.

]]> By: funwithstuff http://boingboing.net/2009/07/24/apples-new-final-cut.html#comment-551066 funwithstuff Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-551066 @erict: Unfortunately you got caught by the only Mac in ages not to have FireWire at all. Many people thought it was going for good, but enough complained that FireWire is now back on every Mac. I do find Final Cut better than Premiere (and Motion much more fun than After Effects) but both will probably be fine for what you need. Apple were trying to get ahead of the curve as tapeless camcorders take over (using USB) but enough people have DV/HDV or FireWire drives that they couldn't get away with it. @erict: Unfortunately you got caught by the only Mac in ages not to have FireWire at all. Many people thought it was going for good, but enough complained that FireWire is now back on every Mac. I do find Final Cut better than Premiere (and Motion much more fun than After Effects) but both will probably be fine for what you need.

Apple were trying to get ahead of the curve as tapeless camcorders take over (using USB) but enough people have DV/HDV or FireWire drives that they couldn’t get away with it.

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