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	<title>Comments on: Firefighter allegedly shoots cyclist in head to teach him not to ride on a busy&#160;street</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-553216</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the &quot;bicyclists don&#039;t stop at stop signs&quot; folks: I&#039;ve been hit because I stop at stop signs. I stopped, the car behind me rolled through, tagged my rear tire and knocked me down.

Don&#039;t give me that crap, the only thing we cyclists have going for us is speed for maneuverability, if we stop we&#039;re static targets for every texting soccer mom in an SUV, and drivers kill a hell of a lot more people every year than firearms users.

Despite getting hit, I still stop at stop signs, but I do so knowing that I&#039;m taking a greater risk to make a point.

To this incident: Spiro Bikopoulis, where are you when we need you most?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the &#8220;bicyclists don&#8217;t stop at stop signs&#8221; folks: I&#8217;ve been hit because I stop at stop signs. I stopped, the car behind me rolled through, tagged my rear tire and knocked me down.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t give me that crap, the only thing we cyclists have going for us is speed for maneuverability, if we stop we&#8217;re static targets for every texting soccer mom in an SUV, and drivers kill a hell of a lot more people every year than firearms users.</p>
<p>Despite getting hit, I still stop at stop signs, but I do so knowing that I&#8217;m taking a greater risk to make a point.</p>
<p>To this incident: Spiro Bikopoulis, where are you when we need you most?</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552706</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this &quot;saved by helmet&quot; thing doesn&#039;t wash. If he was carrying a case of beer and the bullet had gone through that because the fireman was a lousy shot, would he have been &quot;saved by the beer&quot;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this &#8220;saved by helmet&#8221; thing doesn&#8217;t wash. If he was carrying a case of beer and the bullet had gone through that because the fireman was a lousy shot, would he have been &#8220;saved by the beer&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: TheCrawNotTheCraw</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552707</link>
		<dc:creator>TheCrawNotTheCraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@34

&quot;If you bike often, you discover that some people become enraged at the sight of a cyclist. Weird but true.&quot;

I don&#039;t bicycle, and I don&#039;t become enraged at the sight of them, but I *do* get irritated when I see them blow-through stop signs and expect everyone in a car to jam on the brakes.  Because a) I certainly don&#039;t want to hurt anyone, b) the person in the car is &quot;automatically&quot; assumed to be the unsafe one, and c) the bicyclist is pretty much guaranteed to be seriously hurt if hit by a car.

That being said, anyone who shoots at someone else and who is not defending themselves or their family deserves time in &quot;the gray-bar motel&quot; if convicted.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@34</p>
<p>&#8220;If you bike often, you discover that some people become enraged at the sight of a cyclist. Weird but true.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t bicycle, and I don&#8217;t become enraged at the sight of them, but I *do* get irritated when I see them blow-through stop signs and expect everyone in a car to jam on the brakes.  Because a) I certainly don&#8217;t want to hurt anyone, b) the person in the car is &#8220;automatically&#8221; assumed to be the unsafe one, and c) the bicyclist is pretty much guaranteed to be seriously hurt if hit by a car.</p>
<p>That being said, anyone who shoots at someone else and who is not defending themselves or their family deserves time in &#8220;the gray-bar motel&#8221; if convicted.</p>
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		<title>By: holtt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552710</link>
		<dc:creator>holtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years back I passed a guy with one of those Alley Cat third wheel trailers for his kid.  The kid was so small there were 2x4s attached to the pedals so he could reach them.  

As the parent rode along a busy street in the bike lane, the kid was standing on one pedal, sticking the other leg out in the air and holding on with one hand to the handlebar.  It was really quite astonishing - he was definitely circus material!  But one bump and that kid would be off that bike.  Keep in mind the 2x4 blocks.  We&#039;re talking LITTLE KID.

I pulled up (on my bike) next to the parent and expressed some concern about what his kid was doing.  The parent&#039;s reaction?  &quot;Whatever&quot;

I proceeded onward, metaphorical gun and tongue firmly held in mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years back I passed a guy with one of those Alley Cat third wheel trailers for his kid.  The kid was so small there were 2x4s attached to the pedals so he could reach them.  </p>
<p>As the parent rode along a busy street in the bike lane, the kid was standing on one pedal, sticking the other leg out in the air and holding on with one hand to the handlebar.  It was really quite astonishing &#8211; he was definitely circus material!  But one bump and that kid would be off that bike.  Keep in mind the 2&#215;4 blocks.  We&#8217;re talking LITTLE KID.</p>
<p>I pulled up (on my bike) next to the parent and expressed some concern about what his kid was doing.  The parent&#8217;s reaction?  &#8220;Whatever&#8221;</p>
<p>I proceeded onward, metaphorical gun and tongue firmly held in mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: eti</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-553482</link>
		<dc:creator>eti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I walk to work and have to worry about cyclists hitting me on the sidewalk. They come up from behind and whiz by, inches from me. One day I might decide to turn in my path just as one is creeping up from behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I walk to work and have to worry about cyclists hitting me on the sidewalk. They come up from behind and whiz by, inches from me. One day I might decide to turn in my path just as one is creeping up from behind.</p>
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		<title>By: holtt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552715</link>
		<dc:creator>holtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thing the guy wasn&#039;t packing those biker killer bullets - those ones that are designed to penetrate a bike helmet.  Those things oughta be outlawed!</description>
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		<title>By: Tdawwg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552716</link>
		<dc:creator>Tdawwg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t bicycle, and I don&#039;t become enraged at the sight of them, but I *do* get irritated when I see them blow-through stop signs and expect everyone in a car to jam on the brakes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Think of it as an opportunity to watch a more efficient, more complex, and more sustainable mode of personal transportation in action, as well as a more organic, less rigid, way of reacting to the urban environment: traffic as practice rather than traffic as what the blinking light says to do. Or just get used to it, &#039;cause we&#039;re not stopping for your car or your red lights or your laws, Mr. Policeman!

/aggro bike snob lecture parody</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t bicycle, and I don&#8217;t become enraged at the sight of them, but I *do* get irritated when I see them blow-through stop signs and expect everyone in a car to jam on the brakes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Think of it as an opportunity to watch a more efficient, more complex, and more sustainable mode of personal transportation in action, as well as a more organic, less rigid, way of reacting to the urban environment: traffic as practice rather than traffic as what the blinking light says to do. Or just get used to it, &#8217;cause we&#8217;re not stopping for your car or your red lights or your laws, Mr. Policeman!</p>
<p>/aggro bike snob lecture parody</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552720</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what really happened? Joe White-Guy North Carolina fireman was having a bad day. A bad year actually, since things stopped looking like Joe-White Guys were not going get the brass ring anymore after a decade of Bush and company and the general unravelling of the latest Big Lie. He&#039;d been what he thought was good for seventeen years of firemanning, seen a bit, saved a couple and also cleaned up some roadkill. The kid squashed by the truck that hit the bike never quite left him. A little kid. Maybe he had one too?  Anyways, he&#039;s tooling along and fuming along for a hundred reasons that even he doesn&#039;t fully understand. He sees the guy and the kid on a bike and something almost snaps. So he decides to do something. The father, first taken aback, realizes he&#039;s dealing with a semi-unhinged angry white guy, which ain&#039;t really his fault now,  is it?  So he looks askance and sez, &quot;
ah fuck off buddy&quot; and turns away.  Well, Joe White-Guy a la Falling Down snaps all the way. His little internal dialogue goes &quot;why you fucking jerk, I oughtta kick your yuppie ass you and your faggy bike&quot; and then the little kid squashed comes up in his head. So he draws and lets his little metal dick do what the one in his pants hasn&#039;t been able to for a couple of anxiety filled years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what really happened? Joe White-Guy North Carolina fireman was having a bad day. A bad year actually, since things stopped looking like Joe-White Guys were not going get the brass ring anymore after a decade of Bush and company and the general unravelling of the latest Big Lie. He&#8217;d been what he thought was good for seventeen years of firemanning, seen a bit, saved a couple and also cleaned up some roadkill. The kid squashed by the truck that hit the bike never quite left him. A little kid. Maybe he had one too?  Anyways, he&#8217;s tooling along and fuming along for a hundred reasons that even he doesn&#8217;t fully understand. He sees the guy and the kid on a bike and something almost snaps. So he decides to do something. The father, first taken aback, realizes he&#8217;s dealing with a semi-unhinged angry white guy, which ain&#8217;t really his fault now,  is it?  So he looks askance and sez, &#8221;<br />
ah fuck off buddy&#8221; and turns away.  Well, Joe White-Guy a la Falling Down snaps all the way. His little internal dialogue goes &#8220;why you fucking jerk, I oughtta kick your yuppie ass you and your faggy bike&#8221; and then the little kid squashed comes up in his head. So he draws and lets his little metal dick do what the one in his pants hasn&#8217;t been able to for a couple of anxiety filled years now.</p>
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		<title>By: holtt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552724</link>
		<dc:creator>holtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &quot;what really happened?&quot;

Or... not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ &#8220;what really happened?&#8221;</p>
<p>Or&#8230; not.</p>
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		<title>By: firstbakingbook</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552725</link>
		<dc:creator>firstbakingbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;
I don&#039;t bicycle, and I don&#039;t become enraged at the sight of them, but I *do* get irritated when I see them blow-through stop signs and expect everyone in a car to jam on the brakes.
&lt;/b&gt;

I see bikes blow through stop signs all the time, &quot;Idaho stop law&quot; style, but I don&#039;t see them expecting cars to stop for them. Quite the contrary, it&#039;s quite dangerous to presume that cars will yield right-of-way to a bike, even when the bike legally has right-of-way.

So, for example, for every empty intersection that a cyclist rolls through, there&#039;s another intersection where the cyclist has no stop sign, but must stop anyway because the cars pulling up to it happily cream or run off the road any bike that comes along.

And they&#039;ll yell at you for getting in their way after they do it.

For twenty years I just always biked off-road to avoid this problem. But in my current location the off-road biking is very limited compared to the road biking (which is spectacular). So I&#039;m learning to be very, very defensive in my cycling.

Also, see this article:

http://www.steamthing.com/2009/07/bike-salmon-omen-or-harbinger.html

which mentions that bike accidents involving cars are rare in the Netherlands, where they are not required to obey traffic laws.</description>
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I don&#8217;t bicycle, and I don&#8217;t become enraged at the sight of them, but I *do* get irritated when I see them blow-through stop signs and expect everyone in a car to jam on the brakes.<br />
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<p>I see bikes blow through stop signs all the time, &#8220;Idaho stop law&#8221; style, but I don&#8217;t see them expecting cars to stop for them. Quite the contrary, it&#8217;s quite dangerous to presume that cars will yield right-of-way to a bike, even when the bike legally has right-of-way.</p>
<p>So, for example, for every empty intersection that a cyclist rolls through, there&#8217;s another intersection where the cyclist has no stop sign, but must stop anyway because the cars pulling up to it happily cream or run off the road any bike that comes along.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;ll yell at you for getting in their way after they do it.</p>
<p>For twenty years I just always biked off-road to avoid this problem. But in my current location the off-road biking is very limited compared to the road biking (which is spectacular). So I&#8217;m learning to be very, very defensive in my cycling.</p>
<p>Also, see this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.steamthing.com/2009/07/bike-salmon-omen-or-harbinger.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.steamthing.com/2009/07/bike-salmon-omen-or-harbinger.html</a></p>
<p>which mentions that bike accidents involving cars are rare in the Netherlands, where they are not required to obey traffic laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-903192</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just got out of a 3-week stint in the ICU thanks to a collision with a US Mail Truck, this story RESONATES with me. 

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		<title>By: TheCrawNotTheCraw</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552729</link>
		<dc:creator>TheCrawNotTheCraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@71, TDAWWG

OK, it&#039;s a parody, you say.  So I won&#039;t engage in a philosophical discussion about organic vs. inorganic transportation, etc. etc. etc.

The laws of physics are (generally) on the more massive vehicle&#039;s &quot;side.&quot;  More momentum, more mass (therefore more inertia). It&#039;s got nothing to do with who&#039;s right and who&#039;s wrong, and everything with who would get more seriously hurt by a collision.

Anyone who expects a massive vehicle to be able to stop instantly is living on borrowed time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@71, TDAWWG</p>
<p>OK, it&#8217;s a parody, you say.  So I won&#8217;t engage in a philosophical discussion about organic vs. inorganic transportation, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>The laws of physics are (generally) on the more massive vehicle&#8217;s &#8220;side.&#8221;  More momentum, more mass (therefore more inertia). It&#8217;s got nothing to do with who&#8217;s right and who&#8217;s wrong, and everything with who would get more seriously hurt by a collision.</p>
<p>Anyone who expects a massive vehicle to be able to stop instantly is living on borrowed time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-554522</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the handgun in question was a very short-barrel version loaded with .22 shorts, I&#039;d have no problem believing that a shot at the right place in some helmets would have failed to go all the way through.  A number of the headcrab-style types have places where they&#039;re as thick as two inches (in the back, usually), and the foam from which they are made is quite a bit denser than the fluff used in cheap coolers.  I can picture it; the cyclist decides that the time has come to get the fleep out of there, and starts to pedal off; Flippo the Firefighter gets even more incensed at this flagrant dissing of his Authoriteh, and whips out his boot gun to take a potshot at the fleeing target (which, in this wholly unresearched and entirely speculative scenario with no basis in anything published) is not too far over the head of the kid.  If that is actually what happened, BTW, the cyclist would likely have been dead if the shot had been an inch lower and missed the tail of the helmet.  The center of the back of the neck is a particularly lethal target.
 
Power trippers of any type can be an instant menace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the handgun in question was a very short-barrel version loaded with .22 shorts, I&#8217;d have no problem believing that a shot at the right place in some helmets would have failed to go all the way through.  A number of the headcrab-style types have places where they&#8217;re as thick as two inches (in the back, usually), and the foam from which they are made is quite a bit denser than the fluff used in cheap coolers.  I can picture it; the cyclist decides that the time has come to get the fleep out of there, and starts to pedal off; Flippo the Firefighter gets even more incensed at this flagrant dissing of his Authoriteh, and whips out his boot gun to take a potshot at the fleeing target (which, in this wholly unresearched and entirely speculative scenario with no basis in anything published) is not too far over the head of the kid.  If that is actually what happened, BTW, the cyclist would likely have been dead if the shot had been an inch lower and missed the tail of the helmet.  The center of the back of the neck is a particularly lethal target.</p>
<p>Power trippers of any type can be an instant menace.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552731</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wll Tm, dn&#039;t b s lzy, lt&#039;s hv smthng thn.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top work Uniquak, there&#039;s a real ring of truth about what you say.</description>
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		<title>By: Man On Pink Corner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552734</link>
		<dc:creator>Man On Pink Corner</dc:creator>
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		<description>Crappy gun, meet really good helmet.  Helmet, gun.  I&#039;m sure you two will get along splendidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crappy gun, meet really good helmet.  Helmet, gun.  I&#8217;m sure you two will get along splendidly.</p>
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		<title>By: jackie31337</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552994</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of starting an entirely different flame war, the video linked to by #52 where the spokesman explains the firefighter&#039;s behavior by saying that some people apparently feel very strongly about certain safety issues brings to mind parents who advocate slapping, spanking, or hitting their child to prevent them from doing something unsafe, such as running into the street or touching the stove. 

The same solution that works to keep young children safe would work here, too: create a safer environment. Build some bike paths separate from the road. Problem solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of starting an entirely different flame war, the video linked to by #52 where the spokesman explains the firefighter&#8217;s behavior by saying that some people apparently feel very strongly about certain safety issues brings to mind parents who advocate slapping, spanking, or hitting their child to prevent them from doing something unsafe, such as running into the street or touching the stove. </p>
<p>The same solution that works to keep young children safe would work here, too: create a safer environment. Build some bike paths separate from the road. Problem solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>From a different source with more details, &quot;The bullet blew a hole through the outer lining of Simonsâ€™ helmet and went straight through both sides of it, but he was not hit.&quot;  Most of these helmets have standoff pads which space them off the head a bit; my guess is that the bullet&#039;s path went through one of those areas.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a different source with more details, &#8220;The bullet blew a hole through the outer lining of Simonsâ€™ helmet and went straight through both sides of it, but he was not hit.&#8221;  Most of these helmets have standoff pads which space them off the head a bit; my guess is that the bullet&#8217;s path went through one of those areas.  </p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552740</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what gun was it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what gun was it?</p>
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		<title>By: Man On Pink Corner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552743</link>
		<dc:creator>Man On Pink Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really crappy one, apparently.</description>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552747</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tell ya what; you put on the bicycle helmet of your choice and I&#039;ll use the cheapest .22 saturday night special I can find and we&#039;ll do a test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tell ya what; you put on the bicycle helmet of your choice and I&#8217;ll use the cheapest .22 saturday night special I can find and we&#8217;ll do a test.</p>
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		<title>By: cycle23</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552748</link>
		<dc:creator>cycle23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Takuan is such a troll. That is all. 

(did I just troll?)</description>
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<p>(did I just troll?)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-903213</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; but I *do* get irritated when I see them [cyclists] blow-through stop signs and expect everyone in a car to jam on the brakes. 

Yeah. Well, as a full-time cyclist, I get a little irritated when I see cars do the same thing. I also get irritated when I see motorists texting, talking on their cellphones, putting on makeup, screwing with their radio, driving in bike lanes, driving drunk, speeding, running red lights, backing up without looking, failing to give cyclists the legally required 3-foot passing buffer, driving down the street with their blinkers on, driving with obviously unsafe vehicles ... I could go on like this all day. 

Cyclists do run stop signs, and this is illegal. But every time I see article comments on some outrageous act of violence against a cyclist, someone always chimes in that cyclists are a bunch of irresponsible yahoos.

As if motorists aren&#039;t. Gimme a break. And get the hell off the phone when you&#039;re driving, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> but I *do* get irritated when I see them [cyclists] blow-through stop signs and expect everyone in a car to jam on the brakes. </p>
<p>Yeah. Well, as a full-time cyclist, I get a little irritated when I see cars do the same thing. I also get irritated when I see motorists texting, talking on their cellphones, putting on makeup, screwing with their radio, driving in bike lanes, driving drunk, speeding, running red lights, backing up without looking, failing to give cyclists the legally required 3-foot passing buffer, driving down the street with their blinkers on, driving with obviously unsafe vehicles &#8230; I could go on like this all day. </p>
<p>Cyclists do run stop signs, and this is illegal. But every time I see article comments on some outrageous act of violence against a cyclist, someone always chimes in that cyclists are a bunch of irresponsible yahoos.</p>
<p>As if motorists aren&#8217;t. Gimme a break. And get the hell off the phone when you&#8217;re driving, please.</p>
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		<title>By: allert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-553006</link>
		<dc:creator>allert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #74

&quot;which mentions that bike accidents involving cars are rare in the Netherlands, where they are not required to obey traffic laws.&quot;

Let me inform you that dutch cyclists have to obey traffic laws like everybody else. 
A lot of people here just don&#039;t care though, and accidents do happen because cyclists were not carefull.

I am very happy that the attitude on cyclists is a bit more relaxed here and that we have cycling paths and lanes everywhere.

Allert
The Netherlands
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<p>&#8220;which mentions that bike accidents involving cars are rare in the Netherlands, where they are not required to obey traffic laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me inform you that dutch cyclists have to obey traffic laws like everybody else.<br />
A lot of people here just don&#8217;t care though, and accidents do happen because cyclists were not carefull.</p>
<p>I am very happy that the attitude on cyclists is a bit more relaxed here and that we have cycling paths and lanes everywhere.</p>
<p>Allert<br />
The Netherlands</p>
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		<title>By: Brainshrub</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552755</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainshrub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/07/27/shoot-a-cyclist-for-safety/&quot;&gt;There is a local there guy running for city council who had a few things to say about this.&lt;/a&gt;

If this becomes a political issue in Asheville, perhaps this incident will encourage the community to invest in more bike-lanes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/07/27/shoot-a-cyclist-for-safety/">There is a local there guy running for city council who had a few things to say about this.</a></p>
<p>If this becomes a political issue in Asheville, perhaps this incident will encourage the community to invest in more bike-lanes?</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552757</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I comment on you if it were worth it.</description>
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		<title>By: pAULbOWEN</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552758</link>
		<dc:creator>pAULbOWEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was this fireman I&#039;d be having a word with my ammo dealer, seriously.

I really do think though that you&#039;re overdue an amendment to that Americans Shall Forever Have The Right To Shoot One Another In The Face amendment. Even just a No Guns For Thin-Lipped And Permanently Pissed-Off Looking White Guys Who Keep Themselves To Themselves amendment would help I&#039;m sure.

Takuan @ 72: you OK mate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was this fireman I&#8217;d be having a word with my ammo dealer, seriously.</p>
<p>I really do think though that you&#8217;re overdue an amendment to that Americans Shall Forever Have The Right To Shoot One Another In The Face amendment. Even just a No Guns For Thin-Lipped And Permanently Pissed-Off Looking White Guys Who Keep Themselves To Themselves amendment would help I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>Takuan @ 72: you OK mate?</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552767</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what? tell me that&#039;s not a viable scenario. nd dn&#039;t b lzy bt t lk Tm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what? tell me that&#8217;s not a viable scenario. nd dn&#8217;t b lzy bt t lk Tm.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-553281</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@21 TAKUAN

I&#039;m the product of an impoverished single mother

and I read boing boing. can&#039;t be that bad. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@21 TAKUAN</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the product of an impoverished single mother</p>
<p>and I read boing boing. can&#8217;t be that bad. </p>
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		<title>By: holtt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/07/27/firefighter-allegedl.html#comment-552771</link>
		<dc:creator>holtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Takuan, all I gotta say is &quot;WHAT THE FUCK?&quot;  Lay off the mind games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Takuan, all I gotta say is &#8220;WHAT THE FUCK?&#8221;  Lay off the mind games.</p>
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