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	<title>Comments on: Court orders Google to ID anon blogger who called model &quot;skank&quot;/&quot;ho&quot;, blogger threatens Google with $15 mil&#160;suit</title>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572416</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone cite a precedent where a corporation or individual was successfully sued for complying with a court order?</description>
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		<title>By: Ulysses35</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572673</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulysses35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that several issues are raised here that are worth discussing: 

One, while there is a perceived level of privacy in cyberspace, the perception is false. In fact, every key stroke is being archived somewhere. 

As was noted in a previous post, the blogger signed away his or her privacy when he/she pressed the â€œAcceptâ€ button when creating her blog. Read the fine print, people. 

Also, as noted, the free-wheeling cyber-community is not immune from libel, defined as the publishing of any false information which harms an otherwise private citizen.    When someone is a public figure, like the model in question,  the legal standard is much higher in proving libel.  The threshold is called â€œactual maliceâ€.  Actual malice is defined as information published which is deliberately false, or published with a gross disregard for whether the information was true or false.  By the way, the harm does not have to be financial in nature. The act itself is humiliating to the victim and therefore harmful. 

Truth is an absolute defense against libel, but a private person may be libelously harmed by the truth when, for example, they are singled out for scorn, such as images of obese people shown on a tv newscast about heart disease, without their permission. 

Finally, the case points out the incredible vitriol that people feel free to use when hiding behind a screen name. If people were forced to use their own true identities,  would they every resort to this crass and low behavior? 

Discuss!  By the way, Iâ€™m not a lawyer.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that several issues are raised here that are worth discussing: </p>
<p>One, while there is a perceived level of privacy in cyberspace, the perception is false. In fact, every key stroke is being archived somewhere. </p>
<p>As was noted in a previous post, the blogger signed away his or her privacy when he/she pressed the â€œAcceptâ€ button when creating her blog. Read the fine print, people. </p>
<p>Also, as noted, the free-wheeling cyber-community is not immune from libel, defined as the publishing of any false information which harms an otherwise private citizen.    When someone is a public figure, like the model in question,  the legal standard is much higher in proving libel.  The threshold is called â€œactual maliceâ€.  Actual malice is defined as information published which is deliberately false, or published with a gross disregard for whether the information was true or false.  By the way, the harm does not have to be financial in nature. The act itself is humiliating to the victim and therefore harmful. </p>
<p>Truth is an absolute defense against libel, but a private person may be libelously harmed by the truth when, for example, they are singled out for scorn, such as images of obese people shown on a tv newscast about heart disease, without their permission. </p>
<p>Finally, the case points out the incredible vitriol that people feel free to use when hiding behind a screen name. If people were forced to use their own true identities,  would they every resort to this crass and low behavior? </p>
<p>Discuss!  By the way, Iâ€™m not a lawyer.  </p>
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		<title>By: superduper27</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572674</link>
		<dc:creator>superduper27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some commentary on craigslist about the situation with SFW partil nude photo of Rosemary Port..

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/rnr/1333933080.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some commentary on craigslist about the situation with SFW partil nude photo of Rosemary Port..</p>
<p><a href="http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/rnr/1333933080.html" rel="nofollow">http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/rnr/1333933080.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: PrestoVivace</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572676</link>
		<dc:creator>PrestoVivace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;First they came for the bitchy fashion students...&lt;/em&gt;

I am not so sure the court did the wrong thing. Skank and ho are particular accusations that could have ruinous consequences for a fashion model. It could limit your ability to represent particular brands. From little lies big lies grow. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>First they came for the bitchy fashion students&#8230;</em></p>
<p>I am not so sure the court did the wrong thing. Skank and ho are particular accusations that could have ruinous consequences for a fashion model. It could limit your ability to represent particular brands. From little lies big lies grow. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572424</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree there are privacy issues involved.

But...

My favorite part of the whole thing is had the model let it go, it would have faded away.  But now, Google the model &amp; it&#039;ll turn up her name and &#039;skank&#039; - forever linking her to this regardless of context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree there are privacy issues involved.</p>
<p>But&#8230;</p>
<p>My favorite part of the whole thing is had the model let it go, it would have faded away.  But now, Google the model &#038; it&#8217;ll turn up her name and &#8216;skank&#8217; &#8211; forever linking her to this regardless of context.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Hutton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572680</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Hutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petty bitchy-ness aside, that blogger really needs to work harder and maintaining her secret - it must be possible to create a blog without revealing your identity.

&lt;i&gt;runs off to gmail and blogger to test out theory&lt;/i&gt;

I was able to go to gmail.com, create an email account with no connection to me, and I was further able to create a blog on blogger without anything other than the above created gmail address. If queried, Google wouldn&#039;t be able to find me without resolving IP addresses and working with my ISP to determine which account had that IP address at that time. If I were serious about hiding myself, a quick jaunt to the public library, coffe shop or other place with free wi-fi and I am hidden.

I guess they don&#039;t cover such things at FIT...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petty bitchy-ness aside, that blogger really needs to work harder and maintaining her secret &#8211; it must be possible to create a blog without revealing your identity.</p>
<p><i>runs off to gmail and blogger to test out theory</i></p>
<p>I was able to go to gmail.com, create an email account with no connection to me, and I was further able to create a blog on blogger without anything other than the above created gmail address. If queried, Google wouldn&#8217;t be able to find me without resolving IP addresses and working with my ISP to determine which account had that IP address at that time. If I were serious about hiding myself, a quick jaunt to the public library, coffe shop or other place with free wi-fi and I am hidden.</p>
<p>I guess they don&#8217;t cover such things at FIT&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PrestoVivace</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572681</link>
		<dc:creator>PrestoVivace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Technically, the model has a case because calling someone a skank or ho is a statement and truth can be measured (is she having sex for money or is she excessively promiscuous?) while if she&#039;d flat-out just called her a bitch it would have been an opinion. It is also a statement that can easily be shown to affect the model financially - if she wasn&#039;t being hired for jobs where the employers objected to that kind of behavior, or if a morals clause in a contract kicked in. Reputation can be very important in those situations. It is also clear that the intent was malicious.

But let me also point something out: this is cyberbullying on behalf of the fashion student, and it&#039;s not cool, and I would 100 times prefer than no one get to be anonymous on the internet than we choose to do nothing about cyberbullying - even between adults, where we otherwise expect them to &quot;just get over it.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;

so good it had to be repeated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Technically, the model has a case because calling someone a skank or ho is a statement and truth can be measured (is she having sex for money or is she excessively promiscuous?) while if she&#8217;d flat-out just called her a bitch it would have been an opinion. It is also a statement that can easily be shown to affect the model financially &#8211; if she wasn&#8217;t being hired for jobs where the employers objected to that kind of behavior, or if a morals clause in a contract kicked in. Reputation can be very important in those situations. It is also clear that the intent was malicious.</p>
<p>But let me also point something out: this is cyberbullying on behalf of the fashion student, and it&#8217;s not cool, and I would 100 times prefer than no one get to be anonymous on the internet than we choose to do nothing about cyberbullying &#8211; even between adults, where we otherwise expect them to &#8220;just get over it.&#8221; </em></p>
<p>so good it had to be repeated.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572431</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that all depends on how many guns are backing up that court.</description>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572689</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can all the rest of us sue these self-involved idiots for endangering us all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can all the rest of us sue these self-involved idiots for endangering us all?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Hutton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-573201</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Hutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Takuan&lt;/b&gt; - his second &quot;episode&quot; &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; have revoked his probation from the first attack, so he &lt;i&gt;likely&lt;/i&gt; has another year on his 3 year sentence from 2007, unless he got out for good behavior...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Takuan</b> &#8211; his second &#8220;episode&#8221; <i>should</i> have revoked his probation from the first attack, so he <i>likely</i> has another year on his 3 year sentence from 2007, unless he got out for good behavior&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572436</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm, golly gosh gee, I wonder what the first thing to pop up in google will be when I begin typing &quot;Liskula Cohen is a&quot; will be? hmmmmm, I can&#039;t imagine..... Also the first several hits on a search merely for her name are all related to the SKANK issue. Ladies, gentlemen, we have officially hit Streisand defcon level 4. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm, golly gosh gee, I wonder what the first thing to pop up in google will be when I begin typing &#8220;Liskula Cohen is a&#8221; will be? hmmmmm, I can&#8217;t imagine&#8230;.. Also the first several hits on a search merely for her name are all related to the SKANK issue. Ladies, gentlemen, we have officially hit Streisand defcon level 4. </p>
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		<title>By: Church</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572439</link>
		<dc:creator>Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11 Brainspore:

Only works if they &quot;unpublish&quot; before the court order. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@11 Brainspore:</p>
<p>Only works if they &#8220;unpublish&#8221; before the court order. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-576282</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many cases horrible problems have been avoided for the community as a result of anonymous blogging. This includes whistleblowing for white-collar criminals, community awareness when sexual predators move into the neighborhood, and many other alerts that are of great community benefit.

Benefits notwithstanding, you can&#039;t make an omelette without breaking eggs and anonymous free speech on the Internet is one such omlette. There is no such thing as free speech, there is always a cost. Sometimes that cost is acceptable, moreover desirable, particularly in the case of positive community awareness. But often their many false and deceptive rumors, and libelous attacks are motivated only by hatred and vindictive antisocial promptings. More often than not, these serial cyber defamers have some type of antisocial personality disorder. They have nothing better to do than hurt other people, in fact they are actually fueled by other people&#039;s pain. Normal people like 97% of the readers of my comment cannot begin to relate to how these people think. Stop for a moment and imagine not having a conscience..... is simply impossible.

A concerted, focused and malicious Internet smear campaign can be as devastating for a person that relies on his or her reputation for employment as a fire can be for a farmer who loses his fields, barns, and livestock.

Respectfully submitted by Michael Roberts. Internet Libel Victim&#039;s Advocate.
&lt;!-- www.Rexxfield.com --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many cases horrible problems have been avoided for the community as a result of anonymous blogging. This includes whistleblowing for white-collar criminals, community awareness when sexual predators move into the neighborhood, and many other alerts that are of great community benefit.</p>
<p>Benefits notwithstanding, you can&#8217;t make an omelette without breaking eggs and anonymous free speech on the Internet is one such omlette. There is no such thing as free speech, there is always a cost. Sometimes that cost is acceptable, moreover desirable, particularly in the case of positive community awareness. But often their many false and deceptive rumors, and libelous attacks are motivated only by hatred and vindictive antisocial promptings. More often than not, these serial cyber defamers have some type of antisocial personality disorder. They have nothing better to do than hurt other people, in fact they are actually fueled by other people&#8217;s pain. Normal people like 97% of the readers of my comment cannot begin to relate to how these people think. Stop for a moment and imagine not having a conscience&#8230;.. is simply impossible.</p>
<p>A concerted, focused and malicious Internet smear campaign can be as devastating for a person that relies on his or her reputation for employment as a fire can be for a farmer who loses his fields, barns, and livestock.</p>
<p>Respectfully submitted by Michael Roberts. Internet Libel Victim&#8217;s Advocate.<br />
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		<title>By: mwschmeer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572445</link>
		<dc:creator>mwschmeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this could all be settled with a naked cat fight.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Albertson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572446</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Albertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expecting a company to take liquidated damages on your behalf for a free service is a little out of line.  If she wanted privacy, she should have:

a) gotten DNS hosting from a foreign reg service.
b) hosted her own server, or bought service outside of the US.
c) expected every link in the chain of control leading back to her to be compromised anyways, and act accordingly in advance.

The Internet isn&#039;t as anonymous as many people would like to believe, and big companies aren&#039;t as altruistic as they say they are.  She just found out that little truth a little more painfully than others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expecting a company to take liquidated damages on your behalf for a free service is a little out of line.  If she wanted privacy, she should have:</p>
<p>a) gotten DNS hosting from a foreign reg service.<br />
b) hosted her own server, or bought service outside of the US.<br />
c) expected every link in the chain of control leading back to her to be compromised anyways, and act accordingly in advance.</p>
<p>The Internet isn&#8217;t as anonymous as many people would like to believe, and big companies aren&#8217;t as altruistic as they say they are.  She just found out that little truth a little more painfully than others.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-573219</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy Hutton @79, are you defining &quot;the right to anonymously post damaging libels of private citizens which serve no interest beyond personal malice&quot; as an essential liberty? I doubt Franklin would have agreed with you. I don&#039;t even think Tom Paine would have gone for it.

Again, the test is to imagine that some large interest you&#039;ve happened to offend -- Big Pharma, perhaps, or Wal-Mart, or the National Pork Producers Council -- is using their vast resources to do it to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy Hutton @79, are you defining &#8220;the right to anonymously post damaging libels of private citizens which serve no interest beyond personal malice&#8221; as an essential liberty? I doubt Franklin would have agreed with you. I don&#8217;t even think Tom Paine would have gone for it.</p>
<p>Again, the test is to imagine that some large interest you&#8217;ve happened to offend &#8212; Big Pharma, perhaps, or Wal-Mart, or the National Pork Producers Council &#8212; is using their vast resources to do it to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Razzabeth</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572452</link>
		<dc:creator>Razzabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is, WHY did Google even have that information in the first place? Was the blog in question provided by Google? Was Google the ISP for the blogger?

Google should be more responsible about not infringing people&#039;s rights to free speech. When handed that court order, they should have counter-sued. Since they didn&#039;t, now they are liable for tons of damages for revealing an identity that wasn&#039;t even theirs to reveal. I hope that they end up having to pay Port the $15 mil, so that they can realize that defending people&#039;s rights is more cost-effective in the long run. Money talks!

BTW Liskula Cohen is a skank and a ho for undermining the basic rights and freedoms of her fellow Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is, WHY did Google even have that information in the first place? Was the blog in question provided by Google? Was Google the ISP for the blogger?</p>
<p>Google should be more responsible about not infringing people&#8217;s rights to free speech. When handed that court order, they should have counter-sued. Since they didn&#8217;t, now they are liable for tons of damages for revealing an identity that wasn&#8217;t even theirs to reveal. I hope that they end up having to pay Port the $15 mil, so that they can realize that defending people&#8217;s rights is more cost-effective in the long run. Money talks!</p>
<p>BTW Liskula Cohen is a skank and a ho for undermining the basic rights and freedoms of her fellow Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572711</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous @20:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;My favorite part of the whole thing is had the model let it go, it would have faded away. But now, Google the model &amp; it&#039;ll turn up her name and &#039;skank&#039; - forever linking her to this regardless of context.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ynfg gvzr V cbvagrq gung bhg gb fbzrbar, fur fhrq zr. 

Maggie Koerth-Baker @39:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;To me, this is less of a personal privacy story and more a story about the ongoing struggle to hash out what, exactly, the legal status of bloggers is.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;IMO, it should be the same as any other publication&#039;s, with just a couple of differences. First, in the absence of demonstrable physical or economic harm, there should be a fairly strict limit on the damages a large, powerful, or wealthy entity can collect from a very small one. Second, it should be made a lot easier for a small entity to countersue, get their costs repaid, etc., if they&#039;re hit with a SLAPP lawsuit.&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I don&#039;t think new media ought to be able to attack from behind a bulletproof shield of personal privacy or anonymity simply by virtue of being new media.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Neither do I. In fact, I don&#039;t think anyone should be able to launch anonymous attacks or distribute disinformation for fraudulent or malicious ends. 

I know the internet has picked up the habit of casual pseudonymity, but I don&#039;t think that can endure. If the discourse of the internet is real, then real people must be responsible for it. I have great sympathy for anonymous whistleblowers, but for every real whistleblower, I see thirty or forty incidents of astroturfing, and the latter is becoming commoner, better-funded, and more sophisticated every day.

As usual, I&#039;m in favor of rule of law precisely because I&#039;m one of the little guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous @20:<br />
<blockquote><i>My favorite part of the whole thing is had the model let it go, it would have faded away. But now, Google the model &#038; it&#8217;ll turn up her name and &#8216;skank&#8217; &#8211; forever linking her to this regardless of context.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Ynfg gvzr V cbvagrq gung bhg gb fbzrbar, fur fhrq zr. </p>
<p>Maggie Koerth-Baker @39:<br />
<blockquote><i>To me, this is less of a personal privacy story and more a story about the ongoing struggle to hash out what, exactly, the legal status of bloggers is.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>IMO, it should be the same as any other publication&#8217;s, with just a couple of differences. First, in the absence of demonstrable physical or economic harm, there should be a fairly strict limit on the damages a large, powerful, or wealthy entity can collect from a very small one. Second, it should be made a lot easier for a small entity to countersue, get their costs repaid, etc., if they&#8217;re hit with a SLAPP lawsuit.<br />
<blockquote><i>I don&#8217;t think new media ought to be able to attack from behind a bulletproof shield of personal privacy or anonymity simply by virtue of being new media.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Neither do I. In fact, I don&#8217;t think anyone should be able to launch anonymous attacks or distribute disinformation for fraudulent or malicious ends. </p>
<p>I know the internet has picked up the habit of casual pseudonymity, but I don&#8217;t think that can endure. If the discourse of the internet is real, then real people must be responsible for it. I have great sympathy for anonymous whistleblowers, but for every real whistleblower, I see thirty or forty incidents of astroturfing, and the latter is becoming commoner, better-funded, and more sophisticated every day.</p>
<p>As usual, I&#8217;m in favor of rule of law precisely because I&#8217;m one of the little guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572457</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-09-17-n72.html</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572714</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know who is worse, the miserable corporation or the miserable judge.

What&#039;s a &#039;skank&#039; or a &#039;ho&#039; anyway?  I looked them up in a book with words and definitions and couldn&#039;t find either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know who is worse, the miserable corporation or the miserable judge.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s a &#8216;skank&#8217; or a &#8216;ho&#8217; anyway?  I looked them up in a book with words and definitions and couldn&#8217;t find either.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Miller</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572459</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@21: Google owns blogger.com, which you could have easily found with a quick, um, Google search.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@21: Google owns blogger.com, which you could have easily found with a quick, um, Google search.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572467</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the merits or otherwise of the case it would be nice if we could avoid the kind of sexism and misogyny on display by #3, #5, #10, #11, #19 and #21...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the merits or otherwise of the case it would be nice if we could avoid the kind of sexism and misogyny on display by #3, #5, #10, #11, #19 and #21&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572730</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the bad guys run things, the bad guys have always run things. Anonymity is one of the very few weapons the people have left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the bad guys run things, the bad guys have always run things. Anonymity is one of the very few weapons the people have left.</p>
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		<title>By: jimh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572480</link>
		<dc:creator>jimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#19MWSCHMEER: It might not settle it, but we have to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#19MWSCHMEER: It might not settle it, but we have to try.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572484</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was trying to ignore that in the the name of gravitas but you force my limb. Agreed, but there must be copious cold pressed, extra virgin olive oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to ignore that in the the name of gravitas but you force my limb. Agreed, but there must be copious cold pressed, extra virgin olive oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572740</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Takuan, anonymity in the hands of powerful bad guys would be a terrible thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Takuan, anonymity in the hands of powerful bad guys would be a terrible thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Hutton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-573513</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Hutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Teresa&lt;/b&gt; - I was responding to your single statement:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Takuan, anonymity in the hands of powerful bad guys would be a terrible thing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How would you strip anonymity from &quot;powerful bad guys&quot; and keep it for others?

Sacrificing your rights to buy safety is &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; what Ben Franklin was talking about. One of the issues in Ben&#039;s time was the quartering of British Soldiers &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1242.html&quot;&gt;in your house&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, eliminating any privacy for the homeowner...

Rights apply to everyone, at least that&#039;s how I was taught in school.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Teresa</b> &#8211; I was responding to your single statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>Takuan, anonymity in the hands of powerful bad guys would be a terrible thing.</p></blockquote>
<p>How would you strip anonymity from &#8220;powerful bad guys&#8221; and keep it for others?</p>
<p>Sacrificing your rights to buy safety is <i>exactly</i> what Ben Franklin was talking about. One of the issues in Ben&#8217;s time was the quartering of British Soldiers <i><a href="http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1242.html">in your house</a></i>, eliminating any privacy for the homeowner&#8230;</p>
<p>Rights apply to everyone, at least that&#8217;s how I was taught in school.</p>
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		<title>By: Euryale</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572491</link>
		<dc:creator>Euryale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fellow commenters, can we stop using sexist insults to make a point, please? I get that &quot;skank&quot; and &quot;ho&quot; are on topic and all, but it&#039;s still creepy. Yes, Liskula Cohen should have known better than to sue over someone hurting her feelings, but it&#039;s the court&#039;s job to filter out bogus claims. Blame the court for the privacy invasions, not Liskula Cohen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fellow commenters, can we stop using sexist insults to make a point, please? I get that &#8220;skank&#8221; and &#8220;ho&#8221; are on topic and all, but it&#8217;s still creepy. Yes, Liskula Cohen should have known better than to sue over someone hurting her feelings, but it&#8217;s the court&#8217;s job to filter out bogus claims. Blame the court for the privacy invasions, not Liskula Cohen.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572747</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a horrible thing to be sexually promiscuous. It&#039;s so bad that you can sue for defamation if someone says that about you. It could ruin your career.

..if you&#039;re a woman. Because, well, standards are.


&quot;First they came for the bitchy fashion students...&quot; is a great summary. I wish that was the first and only thing I&#039;ve read about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a horrible thing to be sexually promiscuous. It&#8217;s so bad that you can sue for defamation if someone says that about you. It could ruin your career.</p>
<p>..if you&#8217;re a woman. Because, well, standards are.</p>
<p>&#8220;First they came for the bitchy fashion students&#8230;&#8221; is a great summary. I wish that was the first and only thing I&#8217;ve read about this.</p>
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		<title>By: voidmstr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/08/24/court-orders-google.html#comment-572750</link>
		<dc:creator>voidmstr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling someone a &#039;ho&#039; -- a whore or prostitute -- constitutes what&#039;s known as &quot;libel per se&quot;  libel by itself/obvious libel.

This is the worst type of libel/slander under the law.

That means you don&#039;t need to prove malice on the part of the person who published the libel, and you don&#039;t need to cite specific  damages.  General damages are OK.

&quot;...The more obvious of the two, libel per se, meansâ€œby itselfâ€ or â€œon the face of it.â€ The reader or viewerdoes not have to interpret or study in order to understandthe libel per se because it is obvious or evident. Libelper se is the more serious of the two types, and personslibeled  in  this  manner  do  not  have  to  prove  that  theysuffered damage to their reputations, monetary loss orother injury. Libel per se can support a lawsuit in itself...&quot;

http://www.tpub.com/content/photography/14130/css/14130_175.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling someone a &#8216;ho&#8217; &#8212; a whore or prostitute &#8212; constitutes what&#8217;s known as &#8220;libel per se&#8221;  libel by itself/obvious libel.</p>
<p>This is the worst type of libel/slander under the law.</p>
<p>That means you don&#8217;t need to prove malice on the part of the person who published the libel, and you don&#8217;t need to cite specific  damages.  General damages are OK.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;The more obvious of the two, libel per se, meansâ€œby itselfâ€ or â€œon the face of it.â€ The reader or viewerdoes not have to interpret or study in order to understandthe libel per se because it is obvious or evident. Libelper se is the more serious of the two types, and personslibeled  in  this  manner  do  not  have  to  prove  that  theysuffered damage to their reputations, monetary loss orother injury. Libel per se can support a lawsuit in itself&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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