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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580867</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe they chose their own name.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-581379</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right-wingers who rely on slogans and phrases and demonization are never going to be logically argued out of their positions any more than creationists or 9/11-truthers are.

There has always been a right-wing authoritarian portion of the human species. They periodically gain power and do terrible, terrible things. The amount of control and power and influence they have in America today is frightening and disheartening.

The people who rush to use phrases like &quot;Obamacare&quot; and &quot;Hillarycare&quot; and &quot;Bush Derangement Syndrome&quot; and &quot;Borking&quot; and &quot;Teleprompter-in-Chief&quot; and &quot;Breck Girl&quot;, and who immediately started calling it &quot;The *Terrorist* Surveillance Program&quot; the moment the Bush Administration did, and who gleefully wore purple-heart Band-aids in 2004... THESE are the people who poison our discourse on a daily basis. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything we can do about them, now that we no longer have any functional secular civic organizations or journalism in this country. Oh, well, it was nice knowing you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right-wingers who rely on slogans and phrases and demonization are never going to be logically argued out of their positions any more than creationists or 9/11-truthers are.</p>
<p>There has always been a right-wing authoritarian portion of the human species. They periodically gain power and do terrible, terrible things. The amount of control and power and influence they have in America today is frightening and disheartening.</p>
<p>The people who rush to use phrases like &#8220;Obamacare&#8221; and &#8220;Hillarycare&#8221; and &#8220;Bush Derangement Syndrome&#8221; and &#8220;Borking&#8221; and &#8220;Teleprompter-in-Chief&#8221; and &#8220;Breck Girl&#8221;, and who immediately started calling it &#8220;The *Terrorist* Surveillance Program&#8221; the moment the Bush Administration did, and who gleefully wore purple-heart Band-aids in 2004&#8230; THESE are the people who poison our discourse on a daily basis. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything we can do about them, now that we no longer have any functional secular civic organizations or journalism in this country. Oh, well, it was nice knowing you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-581125</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pinkie, my pinkie, my kingdom for a pinkie but I guess he has that terrible Medicare a â€œSingle-payer health care insuranceâ€ what a hypocrite.  Did the little pinkie cry &quot;Wee-wee-wee!&quot; all the way home (or I should say â€œFake Newsâ€)?  It real should have been his right pinky finger that would have been a better story.  He takes two punches and (as usual) tries to shove something down someoneâ€™s throat and gets his pinkie bitten off, now he plays victim.  They are haters not debaters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pinkie, my pinkie, my kingdom for a pinkie but I guess he has that terrible Medicare a â€œSingle-payer health care insuranceâ€ what a hypocrite.  Did the little pinkie cry &#8220;Wee-wee-wee!&#8221; all the way home (or I should say â€œFake Newsâ€)?  It real should have been his right pinky finger that would have been a better story.  He takes two punches and (as usual) tries to shove something down someoneâ€™s throat and gets his pinkie bitten off, now he plays victim.  They are haters not debaters.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580871</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling people teabaggers is appropriate when all they do is scream and shout to prevent any reasonable discourse on the issue, thereby &quot;controlling the debate&quot; and &quot;perpetuating bullshit ideas&quot;. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling people teabaggers is appropriate when all they do is scream and shout to prevent any reasonable discourse on the issue, thereby &#8220;controlling the debate&#8221; and &#8220;perpetuating bullshit ideas&#8221;. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580872</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so Yamara, domestic terror?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so Yamara, domestic terror?</p>
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		<title>By: Yamara</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580874</link>
		<dc:creator>Yamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much.</description>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580875</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way, thanks Al!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/OperationChickenhawk.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, thanks Al!<br />
<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/OperationChickenhawk.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/OperationChickenhawk.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580879</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yahhh, dats an angry mob in Minn-eee-soda der. Better watch it. Our scientists have developed weapons grade Lutefisk and we&#039;re not afraid to use it. Yust back avay slowly from the hotdish and no one gets hurt doan cha know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahhh, dats an angry mob in Minn-eee-soda der. Better watch it. Our scientists have developed weapons grade Lutefisk and we&#8217;re not afraid to use it. Yust back avay slowly from the hotdish and no one gets hurt doan cha know.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580624</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh darn it</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580880</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Al Franken decade is actually here...</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580882</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in the insurance industry designing health plans for self-insured companies. I do a lot of nuts and bolts number crunching to determine costs associated with different programs. I&#039;ve looked at these issues in a number of different ways.

The largest cost center in our current healthcare system is doctors and hospitals. Our physicians are highly rewarded. Hospital administrators, and there are plenty of them, have very high salaries. Pharmaceutical manufacturers and medical equipment makers are making money hand over fist. I&#039;ve seen equipment markers try to charge $60k for a pacemaker. I&#039;ve seen hospitals with flat screen TVs in every room (all private) of their brand new wings.

The federal government has historically done a poor job of running programs at or below estimated budgets. Medicare, social security, defense programs (remember the $1,000 screwdriver) etc. You have to admit the results have been poor. Other countries such as France and England have been running deficits for years in their health system programs. I&#039;ve seen cost numbers thrown around for the reform programs being debated. I know one thing, whatever public option is chosen will cost more than we are being told.

Savings from electronic claims processing, unified claims forms, free preventive services and free wellness programs will not be realized until the distant future if ever. These are upfront costs, gambles, that may or may not provide savings. When an actuary costs out an insurance plan for a large employer he does not provide an estimated savings for wellness and preventive services. He tells the employer they will actually pay more.

I work for self-insured employers. These are companies generally with more than 200 employees that pay claims out of their own pockets. These companies pay fees (relatively low)of around $15 - $25/employee/month to a third party to pay the claims their employees incur. There is no &quot;profit&quot; to the company. There is no &quot;advertising spending&quot;. No super high executive compensation as a result of denial of services. These companies do however have an incentive to keep their employees happy and healthy.

Private insurers also are incented to keep costs down. They want healthy people to buy insurance and not use it. They also have an incentive for people to have good outcomes from the procedures they receive. Good outcomes = low follow up costs. Good outcomes are driven by early detection and treatment and by drugs. Insurers are also incented to not provide coverage to unhealthy people and to deny treatments that aren&#039;t proven effective.

If you asked me who I would rather give my tax dollars to in order to provide coverage to all people in the U.S. I would say the insurers with some caveats. As Mr. Franken says, we should mandate coverage for everyone (no preexisting conditions), no annual or lifetime limits and we should cap the amount of payments insurance companies can receive from both the people and the government. I&#039;ll bet the insurers will find a way to improve outcomes, improve member health and sqeeze reimbursements to providers and hospitals in order to make a profit better than the federal government will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in the insurance industry designing health plans for self-insured companies. I do a lot of nuts and bolts number crunching to determine costs associated with different programs. I&#8217;ve looked at these issues in a number of different ways.</p>
<p>The largest cost center in our current healthcare system is doctors and hospitals. Our physicians are highly rewarded. Hospital administrators, and there are plenty of them, have very high salaries. Pharmaceutical manufacturers and medical equipment makers are making money hand over fist. I&#8217;ve seen equipment markers try to charge $60k for a pacemaker. I&#8217;ve seen hospitals with flat screen TVs in every room (all private) of their brand new wings.</p>
<p>The federal government has historically done a poor job of running programs at or below estimated budgets. Medicare, social security, defense programs (remember the $1,000 screwdriver) etc. You have to admit the results have been poor. Other countries such as France and England have been running deficits for years in their health system programs. I&#8217;ve seen cost numbers thrown around for the reform programs being debated. I know one thing, whatever public option is chosen will cost more than we are being told.</p>
<p>Savings from electronic claims processing, unified claims forms, free preventive services and free wellness programs will not be realized until the distant future if ever. These are upfront costs, gambles, that may or may not provide savings. When an actuary costs out an insurance plan for a large employer he does not provide an estimated savings for wellness and preventive services. He tells the employer they will actually pay more.</p>
<p>I work for self-insured employers. These are companies generally with more than 200 employees that pay claims out of their own pockets. These companies pay fees (relatively low)of around $15 &#8211; $25/employee/month to a third party to pay the claims their employees incur. There is no &#8220;profit&#8221; to the company. There is no &#8220;advertising spending&#8221;. No super high executive compensation as a result of denial of services. These companies do however have an incentive to keep their employees happy and healthy.</p>
<p>Private insurers also are incented to keep costs down. They want healthy people to buy insurance and not use it. They also have an incentive for people to have good outcomes from the procedures they receive. Good outcomes = low follow up costs. Good outcomes are driven by early detection and treatment and by drugs. Insurers are also incented to not provide coverage to unhealthy people and to deny treatments that aren&#8217;t proven effective.</p>
<p>If you asked me who I would rather give my tax dollars to in order to provide coverage to all people in the U.S. I would say the insurers with some caveats. As Mr. Franken says, we should mandate coverage for everyone (no preexisting conditions), no annual or lifetime limits and we should cap the amount of payments insurance companies can receive from both the people and the government. I&#8217;ll bet the insurers will find a way to improve outcomes, improve member health and sqeeze reimbursements to providers and hospitals in order to make a profit better than the federal government will.</p>
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		<title>By: TheCrawNotTheCraw</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheCrawNotTheCraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked this.  It was thoughtful, nobody was rude to anyone else or Sen. Franken, and he was intelligently explaining why he felt health care *must* be reformed.

Anyone who disrupts a town hall meeting (which is *not* a campaign rally or a football game) should be expelled.  We all have the right to be heard, and no one has the right to shout-down those with whom they disagree.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this.  It was thoughtful, nobody was rude to anyone else or Sen. Franken, and he was intelligently explaining why he felt health care *must* be reformed.</p>
<p>Anyone who disrupts a town hall meeting (which is *not* a campaign rally or a football game) should be expelled.  We all have the right to be heard, and no one has the right to shout-down those with whom they disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Irene Delse</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580887</link>
		<dc:creator>Irene Delse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, they are angry, even if they refrain from being actually loud or violent. Thanks for Minnesota politeness! 

But one can hear the anger and anxiety in the confusion they display. And Al Franken does a good job to listen to them and adress both the fear and the confusion, in a rational and civil way. As a wise person once said: &quot;Sometimes, just talking sense is an act of revolution.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, they are angry, even if they refrain from being actually loud or violent. Thanks for Minnesota politeness! </p>
<p>But one can hear the anger and anxiety in the confusion they display. And Al Franken does a good job to listen to them and adress both the fear and the confusion, in a rational and civil way. As a wise person once said: &#8220;Sometimes, just talking sense is an act of revolution.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-581399</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>townshirts?  Now I have to check for healthcare Untergangen.  Ja! Is Titler still working?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>townshirts?  Now I have to check for healthcare Untergangen.  Ja! Is Titler still working?</p>
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		<title>By: maturin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580632</link>
		<dc:creator>maturin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>angry mob?</description>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-581400</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFJefhHAzZI&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=87B8E28DD509DBC9&amp;playnext=1&amp;playnext_from=PL&amp;index=36</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeh</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFJefhHAzZI&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=87B8E28DD509DBC9&#038;playnext=1&#038;playnext_from=PL&#038;index=36" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFJefhHAzZI&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=87B8E28DD509DBC9&#038;playnext=1&#038;playnext_from=PL&#038;index=36</a></p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was all well and good what he said but it really pissed me off when that man in the back points out that there aren&#039;t enough doctors for the preventive measures he proposes, and then Franken talks about how doctors abuse patients for profits. 700 Billion a year is spent on unnecessary procedures, but it starts at the court room not the OR. If you really want to cut health care cost, there needs to be severe litigation reform, because right now incredibly expensive and superfluous operating practices are being crafted by baseless litigation and it costs us a whole 5% of the American GDP. If you want more doctors, and cheaper health care, make it safer to practice medicine in the US and you will get cheaper more efficient outcomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was all well and good what he said but it really pissed me off when that man in the back points out that there aren&#8217;t enough doctors for the preventive measures he proposes, and then Franken talks about how doctors abuse patients for profits. 700 Billion a year is spent on unnecessary procedures, but it starts at the court room not the OR. If you really want to cut health care cost, there needs to be severe litigation reform, because right now incredibly expensive and superfluous operating practices are being crafted by baseless litigation and it costs us a whole 5% of the American GDP. If you want more doctors, and cheaper health care, make it safer to practice medicine in the US and you will get cheaper more efficient outcomes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don&#039;t look like an angry mob at all :(
If it wasn&#039;t for the headline, I would have thought it was a group of people who have a different opinion about something they&#039;re concerned about and which they discuss at a polite tone with a politician!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t look like an angry mob at all :(<br />
If it wasn&#8217;t for the headline, I would have thought it was a group of people who have a different opinion about something they&#8217;re concerned about and which they discuss at a polite tone with a politician!</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580894</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and just what IS the &quot;Minnesotan character&quot;? And what are its roots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and just what IS the &#8220;Minnesotan character&#8221;? And what are its roots?</p>
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		<title>By: hisdevineshadow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-581918</link>
		<dc:creator>hisdevineshadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use to hate Friday night and month end processing because of all the unpaid EMS bills that just kept accumulating for Charleston County. The forms were progressively difficult to print, then decollate, and they constantly jammed the bluster.

Not my problem anymore since they decided to bring those people in from India to take my job. Anybody got a link to famous South Park episode? You know the &quot;They took our jobs!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use to hate Friday night and month end processing because of all the unpaid EMS bills that just kept accumulating for Charleston County. The forms were progressively difficult to print, then decollate, and they constantly jammed the bluster.</p>
<p>Not my problem anymore since they decided to bring those people in from India to take my job. Anybody got a link to famous South Park episode? You know the &#8220;They took our jobs!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>Holy cow.  Ten minutes of rational speech from a politician.  What a concept.

Something MUST be done...as a layperson, I am not so arrogant as to propose that I have ANY answers -- but as a patient, I know that the current system is dysfunctional at its very best.

I DO know that we need far more rational conversation like this, and far less hysterical ranting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy cow.  Ten minutes of rational speech from a politician.  What a concept.</p>
<p>Something MUST be done&#8230;as a layperson, I am not so arrogant as to propose that I have ANY answers &#8212; but as a patient, I know that the current system is dysfunctional at its very best.</p>
<p>I DO know that we need far more rational conversation like this, and far less hysterical ranting.</p>
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		<title>By: cognitive dissonance</title>
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		<dc:creator>cognitive dissonance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well any group that opposes something Obama does is &lt;i&gt;obviously&lt;/i&gt; an angry, racist mob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well any group that opposes something Obama does is <i>obviously</i> an angry, racist mob.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-581151</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t anyone bringing up the fact that Thin Lizzy was playing in the far background?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t anyone bringing up the fact that Thin Lizzy was playing in the far background?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580640</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too would
hardly describe the 
people in this clip as an
&quot;angry mob&quot;- They all seem  
respectful to me.
I voted for Franken.
I try to attend the Mn State Fair
every year.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too would<br />
hardly describe the<br />
people in this clip as an<br />
&#8220;angry mob&#8221;- They all seem<br />
respectful to me.<br />
I voted for Franken.<br />
I try to attend the Mn State Fair<br />
every year.</p>
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		<title>By: Secret_Life_of_Plants</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580641</link>
		<dc:creator>Secret_Life_of_Plants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was pleasant. </description>
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		<title>By: freeyourcrt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580642</link>
		<dc:creator>freeyourcrt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s funny, they don&#039;t look or act like a mob. What makes one group a mere crowd of demonstrators and another a mob? The story&#039;s editor or journalist might be one answer.

Anyway, the honorable Senator uses examples of health care systems in other countries to make his case. Does that mean that is what Americans will get? Not necessarily, for It is unlikely that Senator Franken nor any other member of congress will even have the opportunity to read the legislation in its entirety. Buried in hundreds or thousands of pages will be the devil&#039;s details. Basically what these massive government overhauls come down to is this phrase... &quot;Trust us.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny, they don&#8217;t look or act like a mob. What makes one group a mere crowd of demonstrators and another a mob? The story&#8217;s editor or journalist might be one answer.</p>
<p>Anyway, the honorable Senator uses examples of health care systems in other countries to make his case. Does that mean that is what Americans will get? Not necessarily, for It is unlikely that Senator Franken nor any other member of congress will even have the opportunity to read the legislation in its entirety. Buried in hundreds or thousands of pages will be the devil&#8217;s details. Basically what these massive government overhauls come down to is this phrase&#8230; &#8220;Trust us.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Terr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Terr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al did a good job, even without mentioning some of the better &quot;selling points&quot;: Other countries manage to get better outcomes (longevity, child mortality, etc.) with a fraction of health care expenditures per person per year than US. So they get better outcomes at much less cost by insuring everyone. And  Medicare, etc., which are very low-cost compared to private insurance, are GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE. So it&#039;s doable, but fear tactics always trump reason. And those who think no other country&#039;s experience is relevant, because this is the USA and this is a different universe, are in some other reality entirely, even if Rush, Sean, Glen Beck etc. can laugh all the way to the bank. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al did a good job, even without mentioning some of the better &#8220;selling points&#8221;: Other countries manage to get better outcomes (longevity, child mortality, etc.) with a fraction of health care expenditures per person per year than US. So they get better outcomes at much less cost by insuring everyone. And  Medicare, etc., which are very low-cost compared to private insurance, are GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE. So it&#8217;s doable, but fear tactics always trump reason. And those who think no other country&#8217;s experience is relevant, because this is the USA and this is a different universe, are in some other reality entirely, even if Rush, Sean, Glen Beck etc. can laugh all the way to the bank. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580902</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats to Franken for daring to speak to the masses in what appears to be a wide open forum and disucssing it intelligently. On that note I would like to see him and his colleagues state that they will transition the House and Senate health plans over to whatever the final solution comes to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to Franken for daring to speak to the masses in what appears to be a wide open forum and disucssing it intelligently. On that note I would like to see him and his colleagues state that they will transition the House and Senate health plans over to whatever the final solution comes to be.</p>
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		<title>By: DeathBoy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580649</link>
		<dc:creator>DeathBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That clip contains no evidence whatsoever of an angry mob.

It&#039;s wonderful to see Franken engaging with people who clearly want some answers, but to exaggerate this way is embarassingly similar to the right&#039;s habitual characterisation of everything as a conflict with winners and losers, right and wrong.

Surely, the beauty of the piece is seeing people talking to other people, with a genuine exchange of information? It&#039;s to everbody&#039;s credit. Franken does an honest job of answering the questions with a minimum of political evasion and the crowd, even while in disagreement, allow him the opportunity to respond.

Heart-warming clip, but maybe the headline could use a re-think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That clip contains no evidence whatsoever of an angry mob.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s wonderful to see Franken engaging with people who clearly want some answers, but to exaggerate this way is embarassingly similar to the right&#8217;s habitual characterisation of everything as a conflict with winners and losers, right and wrong.</p>
<p>Surely, the beauty of the piece is seeing people talking to other people, with a genuine exchange of information? It&#8217;s to everbody&#8217;s credit. Franken does an honest job of answering the questions with a minimum of political evasion and the crowd, even while in disagreement, allow him the opportunity to respond.</p>
<p>Heart-warming clip, but maybe the headline could use a re-think.</p>
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		<title>By: Duffong</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/03/al-franken-talks-an.html#comment-580905</link>
		<dc:creator>Duffong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Minnesota Nice&quot; is a form of passive aggressive violence... that makes this down right pitchfork &#039;n torches furious. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Minnesota Nice&#8221; is a form of passive aggressive violence&#8230; that makes this down right pitchfork &#8216;n torches furious. </p>
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