Comments on: Dutch Schultz's secret buried treasure http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-584992 Teresa Nielsen Hayden Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-584992 Phisrow, I distinctly remember being told as a kid that tetanus is caused by stepping on rusty nails. It used to be a fairly common piece of folk unwisdom. Schultz may have known that one, but not have known that there are kinds of infection other than tetanus. In those circumstances, I can imagine him concluding that the bullets must have been rusty. Phisrow, I distinctly remember being told as a kid that tetanus is caused by stepping on rusty nails. It used to be a fairly common piece of folk unwisdom. Schultz may have known that one, but not have known that there are kinds of infection other than tetanus. In those circumstances, I can imagine him concluding that the bullets must have been rusty.

]]> By: MrJM http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-584249 MrJM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-584249 "How would you spend it or deposit it in a bank without raising suspicion?" Organized crime has long understood that legal casinos are a great way to launder money. You take the dirty cash in and buy chips. You then play the chips. You win back the government mandated percentage. You then cash in the chips and report the winnings to the IRS as legitimate income. Note: This information is for entertainment purposes only and does not constitute legal advice! -- MrJM “How would you spend it or deposit it in a bank without raising suspicion?”

Organized crime has long understood that legal casinos are a great way to launder money.

You take the dirty cash in and buy chips. You then play the chips. You win back the government mandated percentage. You then cash in the chips and report the winnings to the IRS as legitimate income.

Note: This information is for entertainment purposes only and does not constitute legal advice!

– MrJM

]]> By: TheFirstMan http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583738 TheFirstMan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583738 Wow. Rusty bullets. That's the sort of petty maliciousness that makes me laugh. Wow. Rusty bullets. That’s the sort of petty maliciousness that makes me laugh.

]]> By: kmoser http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-584251 kmoser Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-584251 Even if the safe was truly waterproof, if mold grew inside there's no telling what damage it did to the contents. Even if the safe was truly waterproof, if mold grew inside there’s no telling what damage it did to the contents.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-584259 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-584259 Didn't Robert Putney Drake figure it ou? Didn’t Robert Putney Drake figure it ou?

]]> By: unruly katy http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583748 unruly katy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583748 The stream-of-consciousness thing reminds of O Holy Cow, a book of the found poetry of Phil Rizzuto, compiled by Hart Seely. Crazy language stuff is always good. Nonsequiturs are always good. Chicken lips. The stream-of-consciousness thing reminds of O Holy Cow, a book of the found poetry of Phil Rizzuto, compiled by Hart Seely.

Crazy language stuff is always good. Nonsequiturs are always good. Chicken lips.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583754 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583754 If you found the $7 million loot, it would all be in the form of 1930s dollars, i.e. silver certificates, i.e. dollars bills with dates in the 1930s. How would you spend it or deposit it in a bank without raising suspicion? If you found the $7 million loot, it would all be in the form of 1930s dollars, i.e. silver certificates, i.e. dollars bills with dates in the 1930s. How would you spend it or deposit it in a bank without raising suspicion?

]]> By: phisrow http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583758 phisrow Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583758 I have to wonder what sort of bullets he was using. Neither brass, nor copper, nor lead "rust" in any appreciable way(even a patina can take years of exposure in outdoor applications). Further, given the potential ill effects of moisture on the propellants, pains are usually taken to keep ammunition dry. I have to wonder what sort of bullets he was using. Neither brass, nor copper, nor lead “rust” in any appreciable way(even a patina can take years of exposure in outdoor applications). Further, given the potential ill effects of moisture on the propellants, pains are usually taken to keep ammunition dry.

]]> By: Lord Xenu http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583760 Lord Xenu Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583760 A really cool version of Schultz's story is "Billy Bathgate," by E. L. Doctorow. Good read. A really cool version of Schultz’s story is “Billy Bathgate,” by E. L. Doctorow. Good read.

]]> By: EMJ http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583771 EMJ Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583771 If he "was killed while taking a leak in a New Jersey bar" and "court stenographer was brought in to record his statements" that means the stenographer was brought to the bar bathroom. If he “was killed while taking a leak in a New Jersey bar” and “court stenographer was brought in to record his statements” that means the stenographer was brought to the bar bathroom.

]]> By: SpaceMonkeyX http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-584038 SpaceMonkeyX Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-584038 Thanks for the link, BB! (I wrote the story on mental_floss) According to my research, Dutch was shot at the Chop House, but was rushed to the hospital. He underwent surgery to have the bullets removed (which every source I could find said "rusty" ones were used to intentionally cause an infection so he'd die either way). While lying on his deathbed, that's when the infection - and the delirious ramblings - began. He held on for something like 24 hours, passing in and out of consciousness the whole time. As for the safe - it was apparently specially made to be waterproof. Now, this is 1930s water-proofing technology, so who knows how reliable it really was. Thanks for the link, BB! (I wrote the story on mental_floss)

According to my research, Dutch was shot at the Chop House, but was rushed to the hospital. He underwent surgery to have the bullets removed (which every source I could find said “rusty” ones were used to intentionally cause an infection so he’d die either way). While lying on his deathbed, that’s when the infection – and the delirious ramblings – began. He held on for something like 24 hours, passing in and out of consciousness the whole time.

As for the safe – it was apparently specially made to be waterproof. Now, this is 1930s water-proofing technology, so who knows how reliable it really was.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583790 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583790 You can stop looking ... Kaspar Hauser has it. You can stop looking … Kaspar Hauser has it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583802 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583802 This money that was buried, was it paper money? And you say it was buried? In a safe? My guess is that a safe from that era would not be waterproof. A leaky safe buried in upstate New York wouldn't be the best place to store paper money for 70+ years. It would probably be green mush by now. This money that was buried, was it paper money? And you say it was buried? In a safe?

My guess is that a safe from that era would not be waterproof. A leaky safe buried in upstate New York wouldn’t be the best place to store paper money for 70+ years. It would probably be green mush by now.

]]> By: sabik http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583804 sabik Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583804 @EMJ, I get the impression that while he was shot in the bar bathroom, he died some time later in hospital (or some other such facility). Certainly an infection would take some time to set in. @EMJ, I get the impression that while he was shot in the bar bathroom, he died some time later in hospital (or some other such facility). Certainly an infection would take some time to set in.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-584847 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-584847 There's an animated documentary called The Last Words of Dutch Schultz (2003), made by Dutch animator Gerrit van Dijk. It shows Schultz's death from various perspectives and also features the voice of Rutger Hauer (as Schultz). There’s an animated documentary called The Last Words of Dutch Schultz (2003), made by Dutch animator Gerrit van Dijk. It shows Schultz’s death from various perspectives and also features the voice of Rutger Hauer (as Schultz).

]]> By: blueelm http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583826 blueelm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583826 Sounds like rusty here is being used to mean dirty. Rust itself doesn't cause infections anyway, although it can provide more surface area I guess. Sounds like rusty here is being used to mean dirty. Rust itself doesn’t cause infections anyway, although it can provide more surface area I guess.

]]> By: mr.skeleton http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583830 mr.skeleton Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583830 He's gotta be hiding all that Charlie Brown money somewhere. He’s gotta be hiding all that Charlie Brown money somewhere.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583859 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583859 I thought that the headline read "Dwight Shultz's Buried Secret." I wondered what could Howling Mad Murdoch have to hide? I thought that the headline read “Dwight Shultz’s Buried Secret.” I wondered what could Howling Mad Murdoch have to hide?

]]> By: Jesse Willis http://boingboing.net/2009/09/09/dutch-schultzs-secre.html#comment-583884 Jesse Willis Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-583884 Another author, Edward Wellen, wrote a terrific short story using Schultz’s delirious speechifying. “Mouthpiece” was published in Fantasy & Science Fiction Magazine’s February 1974’s issue. In the story the final hours of “Dutch” Schultz ultimately leads to a software engineer programming the words he spoke into a computer program to decode them (suing 1970s tech). But something goes wrong and he ends up creating an artificial intelligence - one with the desires and personality of Dutch Schultz. Then the telephone becomes the AI's tool for manipulating it's world. It's an absolutely terrific story that left me pondering the nature of personality, memory and thought. It’s also a great little mystery too! It can also be found in an audiobook: http://www.sffaudio.com/?p=63 Another author, Edward Wellen, wrote a terrific short story using Schultz’s delirious speechifying.

“Mouthpiece” was published in Fantasy & Science Fiction Magazine’s February 1974’s issue.

In the story the final hours of “Dutch” Schultz ultimately leads to a software engineer programming the words he spoke into a computer program to decode them (suing 1970s tech). But something goes wrong and he ends up creating an artificial intelligence – one with the desires and personality of Dutch Schultz. Then the telephone becomes the AI’s tool for manipulating it’s world. It’s an absolutely terrific story that left me pondering the nature of personality, memory and thought. It’s also a great little mystery too!

It can also be found in an audiobook:

http://www.sffaudio.com/?p=63

]]>