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	<title>Comments on: Young adult writers! Detroit teacher of blind kids wants your ebooks for her Braille&#160;printer!</title>
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		<title>By: Selkiechick</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587783</link>
		<dc:creator>Selkiechick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 30 Braille isn&#039;t quite just another font. 

There are several different &quot;grades&quot; of Braille. Most Braille readers read &quot;contracted braille&quot; which uses single letters for common words (like the) and other abbreviations, so that the reader doesn&#039;t have to go letter-by-letter. There are fonts that exist that do letter by letter transcription that you describe, and some of them are here:
http://www.tsbvi.edu/Education/fonts.html

But it is a somewhat complex system. There are conventions for punctuation, and for spacing, for example. There&#039;s an online course here that outlines the conventions used:

http://loc.gov/nls/bds/manual/

There are a couple of software programs that have been developed to translate electronic text into Braille. I work at a university where I create e-text for college students, and when we need to create Braille, we use Duxbury Translation Software. I am not sure what the competition looks like, if they have other, less expensive competitors.

http://www.duxburysystems.com/

Which works pretty well, but like all automatic things, can make mistakes that a human transcriber would catch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 30 Braille isn&#8217;t quite just another font. </p>
<p>There are several different &#8220;grades&#8221; of Braille. Most Braille readers read &#8220;contracted braille&#8221; which uses single letters for common words (like the) and other abbreviations, so that the reader doesn&#8217;t have to go letter-by-letter. There are fonts that exist that do letter by letter transcription that you describe, and some of them are here:<br />
<a href="http://www.tsbvi.edu/Education/fonts.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsbvi.edu/Education/fonts.html</a></p>
<p>But it is a somewhat complex system. There are conventions for punctuation, and for spacing, for example. There&#8217;s an online course here that outlines the conventions used:</p>
<p><a href="http://loc.gov/nls/bds/manual/" rel="nofollow">http://loc.gov/nls/bds/manual/</a></p>
<p>There are a couple of software programs that have been developed to translate electronic text into Braille. I work at a university where I create e-text for college students, and when we need to create Braille, we use Duxbury Translation Software. I am not sure what the competition looks like, if they have other, less expensive competitors.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.duxburysystems.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.duxburysystems.com/</a></p>
<p>Which works pretty well, but like all automatic things, can make mistakes that a human transcriber would catch.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587273</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so if the (c) law says such, are we allowed to OCR a book then convert it to braille using that data???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so if the (c) law says such, are we allowed to OCR a book then convert it to braille using that data???</p>
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		<title>By: insert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587274</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone invented a &quot;monitor&quot; for blind people? Sort of like one of those &lt;a href=http://www.sciencetoystore.com/contents/en-us/d123.html&gt;toys they had at museum gift shops with pins that took imprints of your hand or whatever.&lt;/a&gt; but mechanized. It could convert Roman text to braille. Maybe could display pictures too.

(Note: By reading that idea, you agree not to develop that idea without royalties. You also agree to give me your firstborn child, since a post hoc EULA on a comment is actually legally enforceable... not.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone invented a &#8220;monitor&#8221; for blind people? Sort of like one of those <a href=http://www.sciencetoystore.com/contents/en-us/d123.html>toys they had at museum gift shops with pins that took imprints of your hand or whatever.</a> but mechanized. It could convert Roman text to braille. Maybe could display pictures too.</p>
<p>(Note: By reading that idea, you agree not to develop that idea without royalties. You also agree to give me your firstborn child, since a post hoc EULA on a comment is actually legally enforceable&#8230; not.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587038</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory Doctorow, you gain +1 positive karma. Congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory Doctorow, you gain +1 positive karma. Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587043</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;US copyright law makes it legal to convert any book to Braille or audiobook for blind people, but it is technically challenging and expensive to do this without the electronic text&quot;

If this is true, why doesn&#039;t Google (through its google books program) or Amazon (through its electronic books program) make electronic text available to qualified organizations/schools for conversion to Braille?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;US copyright law makes it legal to convert any book to Braille or audiobook for blind people, but it is technically challenging and expensive to do this without the electronic text&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is true, why doesn&#8217;t Google (through its google books program) or Amazon (through its electronic books program) make electronic text available to qualified organizations/schools for conversion to Braille?</p>
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		<title>By: arikol</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587044</link>
		<dc:creator>arikol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re saying that your more sensible way of publishing has a bunch of hidden benefits?

That sounds great and I hope more authors do this.


HOWEVER.

I do want an option to pay you for the digital versions. I have pretty much stopped buying paper books, as I much prefer the easy portability and backupability of digital media. I have read all your stuff, yet not paid for any even though I am an eager digital customer. I just need an easy, simple and safe way to do this transaction.

Downloading for free is great, I still want the people who make cool things to get paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re saying that your more sensible way of publishing has a bunch of hidden benefits?</p>
<p>That sounds great and I hope more authors do this.</p>
<p>HOWEVER.</p>
<p>I do want an option to pay you for the digital versions. I have pretty much stopped buying paper books, as I much prefer the easy portability and backupability of digital media. I have read all your stuff, yet not paid for any even though I am an eager digital customer. I just need an easy, simple and safe way to do this transaction.</p>
<p>Downloading for free is great, I still want the people who make cool things to get paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587046</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s legal to convert the text to braille, couldn&#039;t they peruse the hundreds of thousands of ebooks on usenet and purchase a bound copy of those they are interested in?

The &#039;pirates&#039; have already performed the conversion to text, and using usenet eliminates the possibility of illegal distribution.  Purchasing the book provides the license (if I understand correctly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s legal to convert the text to braille, couldn&#8217;t they peruse the hundreds of thousands of ebooks on usenet and purchase a bound copy of those they are interested in?</p>
<p>The &#8216;pirates&#8217; have already performed the conversion to text, and using usenet eliminates the possibility of illegal distribution.  Purchasing the book provides the license (if I understand correctly).</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587047</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You get your wish:

http://craphound.com/littlebrother/donate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You get your wish:</p>
<p><a href="http://craphound.com/littlebrother/donate" rel="nofollow">http://craphound.com/littlebrother/donate</a></p>
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		<title>By: joshberkbooks</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587049</link>
		<dc:creator>joshberkbooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I wonder if a PDF could work? The Word file is old (pre-edits) &amp; the most recent digital version I have of the book is PDF... I guess I could copy and paste a PDF into word but I wonder how weird the formatting would get &amp; if that would effect its usability in braille. Will figure it out! This seems like a great project!

Josh Berk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I wonder if a PDF could work? The Word file is old (pre-edits) &#038; the most recent digital version I have of the book is PDF&#8230; I guess I could copy and paste a PDF into word but I wonder how weird the formatting would get &#038; if that would effect its usability in braille. Will figure it out! This seems like a great project!</p>
<p>Josh Berk</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587060</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, honest question.

If US copyright law makes it legal to convert any book to Braille or audiobook for blind people, can I send in ebooks that are not CC?

Eg. all the books I trawled off usenet before ebooks were popular..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, honest question.</p>
<p>If US copyright law makes it legal to convert any book to Braille or audiobook for blind people, can I send in ebooks that are not CC?</p>
<p>Eg. all the books I trawled off usenet before ebooks were popular..</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587077</link>
		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend the SF classic &quot;Little Fuzzy&quot; by H. Beam Piper. Although printed in the early 60s, the copyright was not renewed and the text is available at project Gutenberg. http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/18137 

The writing is crisp and the themes are still relevant today. A cute, furry species of tiny hunter-gatherers is found on a planet that was only recently colonized by humans. A large corrupt corporation owns most of the planet, but stands to lose it if the Fuzzies are acknowledged to be people.

Many of Piper&#039;s other works are also available free from Project Gutenberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend the SF classic &#8220;Little Fuzzy&#8221; by H. Beam Piper. Although printed in the early 60s, the copyright was not renewed and the text is available at project Gutenberg. <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/18137" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/18137</a> </p>
<p>The writing is crisp and the themes are still relevant today. A cute, furry species of tiny hunter-gatherers is found on a planet that was only recently colonized by humans. A large corrupt corporation owns most of the planet, but stands to lose it if the Fuzzies are acknowledged to be people.</p>
<p>Many of Piper&#8217;s other works are also available free from Project Gutenberg.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587093</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, National Braille Press published editions of the Harry Potter series, and definitely has an interest in continuing to make current books available to blind readers of all ages. You might want to talk to/work with them; they say that one of the hardest problems is getting the books in suitable softcopy form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, National Braille Press published editions of the Harry Potter series, and definitely has an interest in continuing to make current books available to blind readers of all ages. You might want to talk to/work with them; they say that one of the hardest problems is getting the books in suitable softcopy form.</p>
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		<title>By: Enormo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587096</link>
		<dc:creator>Enormo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for Patti Smith. In most states literacy for the blind is qualified by being able to push a button on a tape player.

Sharp inquisitive minds gone to waste because most publishers are fearfull in release digital versions of their books. You would think that the publishers would take the recording industry&#039;s storyline as a cautionary tale. Either lead the world into the future or be dragged into it on someone elses terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for Patti Smith. In most states literacy for the blind is qualified by being able to push a button on a tape player.</p>
<p>Sharp inquisitive minds gone to waste because most publishers are fearfull in release digital versions of their books. You would think that the publishers would take the recording industry&#8217;s storyline as a cautionary tale. Either lead the world into the future or be dragged into it on someone elses terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587352</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they&#039;ve pillaged Webscription.net for books.  They&#039;re allowed: http://www.webscription.net/news.aspx?showarticle=2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they&#8217;ve pillaged Webscription.net for books.  They&#8217;re allowed: <a href="http://www.webscription.net/news.aspx?showarticle=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.webscription.net/news.aspx?showarticle=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587610</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are electronic braille displays, and they come in a number of sizes, from little ones that display 20 cells(characters) at a time to larger ones that can display 80 cells (2 lines of standard Braille.

An overview from the American Foundation for the Blind: 
http://www.afb.org/ProdBrowseCatResults.asp?CatID=43

Unfortunately they are very expensive, and most cost thousands of dollars, well out of reach of many students.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are electronic braille displays, and they come in a number of sizes, from little ones that display 20 cells(characters) at a time to larger ones that can display 80 cells (2 lines of standard Braille.</p>
<p>An overview from the American Foundation for the Blind:<br />
<a href="http://www.afb.org/ProdBrowseCatResults.asp?CatID=43" rel="nofollow">http://www.afb.org/ProdBrowseCatResults.asp?CatID=43</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately they are very expensive, and most cost thousands of dollars, well out of reach of many students.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587100</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please tell any teachers of the blind you know (or parents of blind kids) or blind kids themselves to sign up for Bookshare at http://www.bookshare.org/.

It&#039;s the official way to get books into digital formats into the hands of teachers of blind readers everywhere....and it&#039;s free thanks to a massive grant Bookshare received last year from the Dept of Education.

Grace (mom of Braille reader and Bookshare user)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell any teachers of the blind you know (or parents of blind kids) or blind kids themselves to sign up for Bookshare at <a href="http://www.bookshare.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookshare.org/</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the official way to get books into digital formats into the hands of teachers of blind readers everywhere&#8230;.and it&#8217;s free thanks to a massive grant Bookshare received last year from the Dept of Education.</p>
<p>Grace (mom of Braille reader and Bookshare user)</p>
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		<title>By: grikdog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587357</link>
		<dc:creator>grikdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck with that.  You might scope around Taiwan and other un-American venues for texts.  I once stumbled on an English translation of a Chinese translation of Jack Williamson &amp; James E. Gunn&#039;s Star Bridge -- the translation was frankly and unreadably atrocious, but it exists.  Look beyond the pale and you may find plenty of stuff that could automatically (somehow) become legit by being transposed into braille.  With scruples, all you&#039;ve got is a deeper shine on the old vanity press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck with that.  You might scope around Taiwan and other un-American venues for texts.  I once stumbled on an English translation of a Chinese translation of Jack Williamson &#038; James E. Gunn&#8217;s Star Bridge &#8212; the translation was frankly and unreadably atrocious, but it exists.  Look beyond the pale and you may find plenty of stuff that could automatically (somehow) become legit by being transposed into braille.  With scruples, all you&#8217;ve got is a deeper shine on the old vanity press.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587105</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She probably already knows all about it, but just to make sure somebody should also mention Project Gutenburg to Ms Smith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She probably already knows all about it, but just to make sure somebody should also mention Project Gutenburg to Ms Smith</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587617</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note for those interested... bookshare does take volunteers (scanning, proofreading and other tasks!)

http://www.bookshare.org/about/volunteerOverview

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note for those interested&#8230; bookshare does take volunteers (scanning, proofreading and other tasks!)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bookshare.org/about/volunteerOverview" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookshare.org/about/volunteerOverview</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587108</link>
		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To expand on my last post, there are many works avilable from project Gutenberg that would interest the kids as much or more than works that are only available on paper. Many of these are old, but not all. Here are lists of books on topics that would appeal to older kids and young adults:

http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Children&#039;s_Literature_(Bookshelf)
- Includes many essential authors such as:
	Frank L. Baum 
	Frances Hodgson Burnett
	Lewis Carroll
	Kenneth Grahame 
	Rudyard Kipling
	Andrew Lang
	Hugh Lofting
	Lucy Maud Montgomery
	Anna Sewell 
	Robert Louis Stevenson 

http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Adventure_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Mythology_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/School_Stories_(Bookshelf)
 -including, surprisingly, P.G. Wodehouse - more of him at: http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/w#a783 
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Detective_Fiction_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Crime_Fiction_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Fantasy_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Folklore_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Horror_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Humor_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Short_Stories_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Pirates,_Buccaneers,_Corsairs,_etc._(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Travel_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/India_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Historical_Fiction_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Western_(Bookshelf)
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Native_America_(Bookshelf)
 - I didn&#039;t see Ernest Thompson Seton in any of the above ( http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/s#a535 ).
His &quot;Two Little Savages - Being the adventures of two boys who lived as Indians and what they learned&quot; ( http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/13499 ) is a classic.


There are a huge number of works in these bookshelves - I would Braille-print these bookshelves and the first page or two of the works that look interesting or that come from well-known authors (a Google count of the name in quotes with the keyword &quot;author&quot; serves as a pretty reliable metric for those you haven&#039;t heard of - many of the listed authors are famous in their fields but relatively unknown by the public at large.) If a student finds the first pages intriguing then you can print the whole thing for the library. This will prevent printing stuff that no one wants to actually read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To expand on my last post, there are many works avilable from project Gutenberg that would interest the kids as much or more than works that are only available on paper. Many of these are old, but not all. Here are lists of books on topics that would appeal to older kids and young adults:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Children&#039;s_Literature_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Children&#039;s_Literature_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
- Includes many essential authors such as:<br />
	Frank L. Baum<br />
	Frances Hodgson Burnett<br />
	Lewis Carroll<br />
	Kenneth Grahame<br />
	Rudyard Kipling<br />
	Andrew Lang<br />
	Hugh Lofting<br />
	Lucy Maud Montgomery<br />
	Anna Sewell<br />
	Robert Louis Stevenson </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Adventure_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Adventure_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Mythology_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Mythology_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/School_Stories_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/School_Stories_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
 -including, surprisingly, P.G. Wodehouse &#8211; more of him at: <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/w#a783" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/w#a783</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Detective_Fiction_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Detective_Fiction_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Crime_Fiction_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Crime_Fiction_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Fantasy_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Fantasy_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Folklore_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Folklore_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Horror_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Horror_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Humor_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Humor_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Short_Stories_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Short_Stories_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Pirates,_Buccaneers,_Corsairs,_etc._(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Pirates,_Buccaneers,_Corsairs,_etc._(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Travel_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Travel_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/India_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/India_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Historical_Fiction_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Historical_Fiction_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Western_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Western_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Native_America_(Bookshelf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Native_America_(Bookshelf)</a><br />
 &#8211; I didn&#8217;t see Ernest Thompson Seton in any of the above ( <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/s#a535" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/s#a535</a> ).<br />
His &#8220;Two Little Savages &#8211; Being the adventures of two boys who lived as Indians and what they learned&#8221; ( <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/13499" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/13499</a> ) is a classic.</p>
<p>There are a huge number of works in these bookshelves &#8211; I would Braille-print these bookshelves and the first page or two of the works that look interesting or that come from well-known authors (a Google count of the name in quotes with the keyword &#8220;author&#8221; serves as a pretty reliable metric for those you haven&#8217;t heard of &#8211; many of the listed authors are famous in their fields but relatively unknown by the public at large.) If a student finds the first pages intriguing then you can print the whole thing for the library. This will prevent printing stuff that no one wants to actually read.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a terrific idea! My own YA ebooks are probably not suitable, since they&#039;re written with older teens and adults in mind (yup, you&#039;ve guessed it - the Big Three: language, violence, sex), but I&#039;m passing the word along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a terrific idea! My own YA ebooks are probably not suitable, since they&#8217;re written with older teens and adults in mind (yup, you&#8217;ve guessed it &#8211; the Big Three: language, violence, sex), but I&#8217;m passing the word along.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to submit a follow-up post, but it had so many links that it was held for moderation. This is a less link-heavy version:

There are many works available from project Gutenberg that would interest the kids as much or more than works that are only available on paper. Many of these are old, but not all. Here are lists of books on topics that would appeal to older kids and young adults:

Try the following links to bookshelves on:
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Category:Bookshelf

Children&#039;s Literature
(Includes many essential authors such as: Frank L. Baum,Frances Hodgson Burnett, Lewis Carroll, Kenneth Grahame, Rudyard Kipling, Andrew Lang, Hugh Lofting, Lucy Maud Montgomery, Anna Sewell, and Robert Louis Stevenson.)
 
Adventure, Mythology, School Stories, Detective Fiction, Crime Fiction, Fantasy, Folklore, Horror, Humor, Short Stories; Pirates, Buccaneers, Corsairs, etc.; India, Historical Fiction, Western, Native America - 

I didn&#039;t see Ernest Thompson Seton in any of the above. His &quot;Two Little Savages - Being the adventures of two boys who lived as Indians and what they learned&quot; (Gutenberg etext 13499) is a classic.

And most importantly, and which I left out of the post held for moderation, *Science Fiction*.


There are a huge number of works on these bookshelves - I would Braille-print these bookshelves and the first page or two of the works that look interesting or that come from well-known authors (a Google count of the name in quotes with the keywords &quot;author OR writer&quot; serves as a pretty reliable metric for those you haven&#039;t heard of - many of the listed authors are famous in their fields but relatively unknown by the public at large.) If a student finds the first pages intriguing then you can print the whole thing for the library. This will prevent printing stuff that no one wants to actually read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to submit a follow-up post, but it had so many links that it was held for moderation. This is a less link-heavy version:</p>
<p>There are many works available from project Gutenberg that would interest the kids as much or more than works that are only available on paper. Many of these are old, but not all. Here are lists of books on topics that would appeal to older kids and young adults:</p>
<p>Try the following links to bookshelves on:<br />
<a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Category:Bookshelf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Category:Bookshelf</a></p>
<p>Children&#8217;s Literature<br />
(Includes many essential authors such as: Frank L. Baum,Frances Hodgson Burnett, Lewis Carroll, Kenneth Grahame, Rudyard Kipling, Andrew Lang, Hugh Lofting, Lucy Maud Montgomery, Anna Sewell, and Robert Louis Stevenson.)</p>
<p>Adventure, Mythology, School Stories, Detective Fiction, Crime Fiction, Fantasy, Folklore, Horror, Humor, Short Stories; Pirates, Buccaneers, Corsairs, etc.; India, Historical Fiction, Western, Native America &#8211; </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see Ernest Thompson Seton in any of the above. His &#8220;Two Little Savages &#8211; Being the adventures of two boys who lived as Indians and what they learned&#8221; (Gutenberg etext 13499) is a classic.</p>
<p>And most importantly, and which I left out of the post held for moderation, *Science Fiction*.</p>
<p>There are a huge number of works on these bookshelves &#8211; I would Braille-print these bookshelves and the first page or two of the works that look interesting or that come from well-known authors (a Google count of the name in quotes with the keywords &#8220;author OR writer&#8221; serves as a pretty reliable metric for those you haven&#8217;t heard of &#8211; many of the listed authors are famous in their fields but relatively unknown by the public at large.) If a student finds the first pages intriguing then you can print the whole thing for the library. This will prevent printing stuff that no one wants to actually read.</p>
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		<title>By: ikegently</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/13/young-adult-writers.html#comment-587118</link>
		<dc:creator>ikegently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patti Smith and others interested should look into Bookshare, an online library of over 50,000 titles available for people with print disabilities.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a man who&#039;s dealt with various blind tech for most of his life, I might be able to help a little.

The problem here is that most braille libraries are adding relatively few books to their libraries now, or are closing down and selling off stock. A lot of their current stocks will be from anywhere in the last 80 years, in a huge range of conditions. 

In general, they buy in audiobooks instead - Either standard CD formats, or &#039;daisy&#039; reader formats which usually take the form of a bunch of small mp3 chapters and an html file that organises them. I can see why they prefer the format, but I cant say I agree with their decision.

Braille printers can cost as low as a few hundred dollars (second hand), and can be printed to relatively easily if you have the right paper...but running OCR on a text and piping it straight into a printer is fraught with risks, as a mistaken character can become much more confusing when it becomes part of a contraction. with printed letters you can generally see what the character was meant to be, but there&#039;s no &#039;shape similarity&#039; in braille to guess from.

The way of the future for blind children who do want to read: usb braille displays. They cost a few thousand each, and it&#039;s maybe 20 characters worth of braille in a live display. They&#039;re surprisingly reliable, very responsive, and can work with most operating systems...the downsides being you have to read one line at a time, and you have to have them plugged into a computer.
I hear that the one-line-at-a-time problem may be fixed in the future with materials that shift shape when a current is applied, rather than requiring many moving parts. You&#039;d be able to manufacture larger displays for a lot less.

At the moment, the only thing I know of with a braille display that can be classed as an ebook-reader of sorts is the braillenote (by humanware). A small portable computer with voice and braille output, but they&#039;re very, very expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a man who&#8217;s dealt with various blind tech for most of his life, I might be able to help a little.</p>
<p>The problem here is that most braille libraries are adding relatively few books to their libraries now, or are closing down and selling off stock. A lot of their current stocks will be from anywhere in the last 80 years, in a huge range of conditions. </p>
<p>In general, they buy in audiobooks instead &#8211; Either standard CD formats, or &#8216;daisy&#8217; reader formats which usually take the form of a bunch of small mp3 chapters and an html file that organises them. I can see why they prefer the format, but I cant say I agree with their decision.</p>
<p>Braille printers can cost as low as a few hundred dollars (second hand), and can be printed to relatively easily if you have the right paper&#8230;but running OCR on a text and piping it straight into a printer is fraught with risks, as a mistaken character can become much more confusing when it becomes part of a contraction. with printed letters you can generally see what the character was meant to be, but there&#8217;s no &#8216;shape similarity&#8217; in braille to guess from.</p>
<p>The way of the future for blind children who do want to read: usb braille displays. They cost a few thousand each, and it&#8217;s maybe 20 characters worth of braille in a live display. They&#8217;re surprisingly reliable, very responsive, and can work with most operating systems&#8230;the downsides being you have to read one line at a time, and you have to have them plugged into a computer.<br />
I hear that the one-line-at-a-time problem may be fixed in the future with materials that shift shape when a current is applied, rather than requiring many moving parts. You&#8217;d be able to manufacture larger displays for a lot less.</p>
<p>At the moment, the only thing I know of with a braille display that can be classed as an ebook-reader of sorts is the braillenote (by humanware). A small portable computer with voice and braille output, but they&#8217;re very, very expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26&gt;: I have been looking for a material that thickens when having some current/voltage on it and reduces when not, making a dot. It does not need to be a very small dot, like a pixel at first. Using that material it should be possible to create a braille kindle. Some software to translate normal text into braille shouldn&#039;t be that complicated (it is just another font). I&#039;ve looked around, but couldn&#039;t find such a material yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>26>: I have been looking for a material that thickens when having some current/voltage on it and reduces when not, making a dot. It does not need to be a very small dot, like a pixel at first. Using that material it should be possible to create a braille kindle. Some software to translate normal text into braille shouldn&#8217;t be that complicated (it is just another font). I&#8217;ve looked around, but couldn&#8217;t find such a material yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Selkiechick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selkiechick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are &quot;braille monitors&quot; called electronic braille displays. They can range from 20 characters to 80 characters long. There is a good overview of them here:

http://www.afb.org/ProdBrowseCatResults.asp?CatID=43

Unfortunately, they cost thousands of dollars, putting them out if the reach of a lot of students. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are &#8220;braille monitors&#8221; called electronic braille displays. They can range from 20 characters to 80 characters long. There is a good overview of them here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.afb.org/ProdBrowseCatResults.asp?CatID=43" rel="nofollow">http://www.afb.org/ProdBrowseCatResults.asp?CatID=43</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately, they cost thousands of dollars, putting them out if the reach of a lot of students. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh god, what a &lt;i&gt;fantastic&lt;/i&gt; idea
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh god, what a <i>fantastic</i> idea</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory, my name is Kelly and I work for author Chris Crutcher.  It looks like all but one of his books is available via Kindle/Amazon as e-books.  How can we make those available to this teacher for braille conversion?  He would like to help her, but I&#039;m not sure how to move forward, so your advice would be greatly appreciated. 

Kelly Halls
CC&#039;s Assistant &lt;!-- KellyMilnerH@aol.com --&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory, my name is Kelly and I work for author Chris Crutcher.  It looks like all but one of his books is available via Kindle/Amazon as e-books.  How can we make those available to this teacher for braille conversion?  He would like to help her, but I&#8217;m not sure how to move forward, so your advice would be greatly appreciated. </p>
<p>Kelly Halls<br />
CC&#8217;s Assistant <!-- KellyMilnerH@aol.com --><br />
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		<title>By: shanealeslie</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #29

This is a job for MAKE. I bet that a MAKE challenge to design an open source braille monitor for under $100 found result in a spec and schematic within a month. I&#039;ve got $10 for the winning designer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #29</p>
<p>This is a job for MAKE. I bet that a MAKE challenge to design an open source braille monitor for under $100 found result in a spec and schematic within a month. I&#8217;ve got $10 for the winning designer.</p>
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		<title>By: jrandomf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jrandomf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Jim Fruchterman here, CEO of Benetech, the parent nonprofit of Bookshare.  Thanks for the folks who mentioned Bookshare ( http://www.bookshare.org ), which started as a grassroots library built by mainly blind volunteers scanning for each other, and now available to all students with print disabilities for free in the U.S. ($75 a year membership for adults with print disabilities in the U.S./$8 a year in India).  Many teachers use Bookshare to get source files to create hardcopy Braille: the main software programs that do this now support turning our DAISY XML files into hardcopy braille (like Duxbury already mentioned).  

I would say Braille display users are our most avid members of Bookshare: imagine carrying 2000 Braille books around in a two pound package.  But, they aren&#039;t cheap!

Kelly: six of Chris Crutcher&#039;s books are already on Bookshare http://www.bookshare.org/search?keyword=Chris+Crutcher&amp;search=Search and are available to student (and adults) who provide proof of disability.  We have an agreement with the SFWA (the science fiction and fantasy authors&#039; association) encouraging authors to submit their files directly to Bookshare with permission to provide them to disabled people worldwide.  This means we can avoid chopping and scanning and proofing the books, and the permission allows us to go beyond just serving the U.S.  Many publishers make similar agreements. Inside the U.S., we can rely on a copyright exemption built into the law, which is why we can already have Chris&#039; books.  I noticed that the most recent book we have of Chris&#039;, Whale Talk, is already available globally thanks to an agreement we made with Random House.  

For authors who provide their books with Creative Commons licenses like Cory, you don&#039;t have to prove a disability and subscribe. You can just go to our website and get them free, subject to the terms of the specific CC license.  Yeah, CC!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Jim Fruchterman here, CEO of Benetech, the parent nonprofit of Bookshare.  Thanks for the folks who mentioned Bookshare ( <a href="http://www.bookshare.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookshare.org</a> ), which started as a grassroots library built by mainly blind volunteers scanning for each other, and now available to all students with print disabilities for free in the U.S. ($75 a year membership for adults with print disabilities in the U.S./$8 a year in India).  Many teachers use Bookshare to get source files to create hardcopy Braille: the main software programs that do this now support turning our DAISY XML files into hardcopy braille (like Duxbury already mentioned).  </p>
<p>I would say Braille display users are our most avid members of Bookshare: imagine carrying 2000 Braille books around in a two pound package.  But, they aren&#8217;t cheap!</p>
<p>Kelly: six of Chris Crutcher&#8217;s books are already on Bookshare <a href="http://www.bookshare.org/search?keyword=Chris+Crutcher&#038;search=Search" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookshare.org/search?keyword=Chris+Crutcher&#038;search=Search</a> and are available to student (and adults) who provide proof of disability.  We have an agreement with the SFWA (the science fiction and fantasy authors&#8217; association) encouraging authors to submit their files directly to Bookshare with permission to provide them to disabled people worldwide.  This means we can avoid chopping and scanning and proofing the books, and the permission allows us to go beyond just serving the U.S.  Many publishers make similar agreements. Inside the U.S., we can rely on a copyright exemption built into the law, which is why we can already have Chris&#8217; books.  I noticed that the most recent book we have of Chris&#8217;, Whale Talk, is already available globally thanks to an agreement we made with Random House.  </p>
<p>For authors who provide their books with Creative Commons licenses like Cory, you don&#8217;t have to prove a disability and subscribe. You can just go to our website and get them free, subject to the terms of the specific CC license.  Yeah, CC!</p>
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