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	<title>Comments on: BBC wants to put DRM on the TV Brits are forced to pay&#160;for</title>
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		<title>By: dwm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-590342</link>
		<dc:creator>dwm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arkizzle @32:

Actually, the thing I found interesting was not that the BBC commented on their own behaviour -- as you quite rightly point out, they are generally scrupulous in doing so -- but rather the ordering of events: 

 * Cory posts Danny&#039;s article on the proposed DRM.
 * I comment on the story, linking to prior discussion on this subject on Tom Watson&#039;s blog.
 * The BBC &lt;em&gt;then&lt;/em&gt; publish an article on the subject, using the MP&#039;s online comments as the source material for a contrarying opinion -- despite the fact that they&#039;d been there for a week or two already.

I&#039;m just wondering if, by posting the link to this story earlier this morning, I inadvertently helped some tech-savvy researcher at the BBC discover enough material from quotable sources to post a story on the subject?  

Perhaps not, but I found the idea interesting!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arkizzle @32:</p>
<p>Actually, the thing I found interesting was not that the BBC commented on their own behaviour &#8212; as you quite rightly point out, they are generally scrupulous in doing so &#8212; but rather the ordering of events: </p>
<p> * Cory posts Danny&#8217;s article on the proposed DRM.<br />
 * I comment on the story, linking to prior discussion on this subject on Tom Watson&#8217;s blog.<br />
 * The BBC <em>then</em> publish an article on the subject, using the MP&#8217;s online comments as the source material for a contrarying opinion &#8212; despite the fact that they&#8217;d been there for a week or two already.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just wondering if, by posting the link to this story earlier this morning, I inadvertently helped some tech-savvy researcher at the BBC discover enough material from quotable sources to post a story on the subject?  </p>
<p>Perhaps not, but I found the idea interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: WalterBillington</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589834</link>
		<dc:creator>WalterBillington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, no DRM on the beeb content.  This is sad and stupid.

Mind you, are the entertainment-producing hoardes being properly or improperly paid?  Have you seen BBC radio&#039;s rates for playing music?  They&#039;re among the highest in the world.

Maybe it&#039;s time the artists and creators accepted a lower pay per view, and innovated around better distribution of their work, and better quality work full stop.  We have here a bit of a closed shop, no?

So DRM or not - stop watching rubbish.  Chuck the tv, don&#039;t pay the license - work on this whole system from the other side - the side of demanding, difficult to satisfy consumers.

Shows like Attenborough are invaluable, and I&#039;d happily give a charitable, regular donation to any production team who can deliver that content to me.  But most TV time is toss.  Except CBeebies, which is wonderful and educational.

Ahhhhh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, no DRM on the beeb content.  This is sad and stupid.</p>
<p>Mind you, are the entertainment-producing hoardes being properly or improperly paid?  Have you seen BBC radio&#8217;s rates for playing music?  They&#8217;re among the highest in the world.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time the artists and creators accepted a lower pay per view, and innovated around better distribution of their work, and better quality work full stop.  We have here a bit of a closed shop, no?</p>
<p>So DRM or not &#8211; stop watching rubbish.  Chuck the tv, don&#8217;t pay the license &#8211; work on this whole system from the other side &#8211; the side of demanding, difficult to satisfy consumers.</p>
<p>Shows like Attenborough are invaluable, and I&#8217;d happily give a charitable, regular donation to any production team who can deliver that content to me.  But most TV time is toss.  Except CBeebies, which is wonderful and educational.</p>
<p>Ahhhhh!</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-590606</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous37,

Maybe I&#039;m missing something in your maths, but how do you arrive at 3 pence a week?

The current UK tv licence is Â£142.50.

Are you subsidized somehow? Do you mean Â£3 a week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous37,</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing something in your maths, but how do you arrive at 3 pence a week?</p>
<p>The current UK tv licence is Â£142.50.</p>
<p>Are you subsidized somehow? Do you mean Â£3 a week?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589843</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a shock that, over time, corporations would evolve to be ever more ruthless, sneaky and relentless in their efforts to wring every last dollar/pound from human culture in every conceivable way, and this relentless pursuit of profits would stifle real cultural progress and innovation and leave the individual citizen ever more powerless, voiceless and possessionless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a shock that, over time, corporations would evolve to be ever more ruthless, sneaky and relentless in their efforts to wring every last dollar/pound from human culture in every conceivable way, and this relentless pursuit of profits would stifle real cultural progress and innovation and leave the individual citizen ever more powerless, voiceless and possessionless.</p>
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		<title>By: imipak</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589845</link>
		<dc:creator>imipak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much this is driven by the utterly wonderful Linux software get_iplayer .

http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer/

Can&#039;t recommend this highly enough. Enjoy it whilst it lasts :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much this is driven by the utterly wonderful Linux software get_iplayer .</p>
<p><a href="http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer/" rel="nofollow">http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer/</a></p>
<p>Can&#8217;t recommend this highly enough. Enjoy it whilst it lasts :(</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Morris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589847</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PDF refers to implementing &quot;the D-Book content management arrangements&quot;, but what do these arrangements call for? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dtg.org.uk/publications/books.html&quot;&gt;the DTG website&lt;/a&gt; suggests that you&#039;ll need to work for a relevant company if you want to know (members only, and see what happens if you click &quot;members area&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PDF refers to implementing &#8220;the D-Book content management arrangements&#8221;, but what do these arrangements call for? <a href="http://www.dtg.org.uk/publications/books.html">the DTG website</a> suggests that you&#8217;ll need to work for a relevant company if you want to know (members only, and see what happens if you click &#8220;members area&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Hutton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589851</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Hutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Action Ben&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Due to the very short duration of the consultation, interested members of the public like myself have not had time to examine all sides of the argument.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Welcome to the new Transparency in Government, it&#039;s all the rage here in the US. You&#039;d be amazed how fast a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/234/allow-five-days-of-public-comment-before-signing-b/&quot;&gt;five-day public review period&lt;/a&gt; goes these days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Action Ben</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Due to the very short duration of the consultation, interested members of the public like myself have not had time to examine all sides of the argument.</p></blockquote>
<p>Welcome to the new Transparency in Government, it&#8217;s all the rage here in the US. You&#8217;d be amazed how fast a <a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/234/allow-five-days-of-public-comment-before-signing-b/">five-day public review period</a> goes these days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589852</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fact the UK still has a licence on Television Receives in the 21st C is ludicrous. No other developed nation still requires a licence for public access broadcast media.

We understand the radio spectrum, and its licensing a little better these days; If we didn&#039;t fund all poll licence tax the market wouldn&#039;t allow this DRM nonsense. DRM is a pointless waste of time. It hinders the end user, protects the pirates and offers no real protection against theft.

All DRM formats are defeated swiftly and easily. 
&quot;...like trying to make water unwet&quot;, a great man said.
Stop it. Stop trying to have complete control over the signal. It leaks.. no channel is noiseless. let it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fact the UK still has a licence on Television Receives in the 21st C is ludicrous. No other developed nation still requires a licence for public access broadcast media.</p>
<p>We understand the radio spectrum, and its licensing a little better these days; If we didn&#8217;t fund all poll licence tax the market wouldn&#8217;t allow this DRM nonsense. DRM is a pointless waste of time. It hinders the end user, protects the pirates and offers no real protection against theft.</p>
<p>All DRM formats are defeated swiftly and easily.<br />
&#8220;&#8230;like trying to make water unwet&#8221;, a great man said.<br />
Stop it. Stop trying to have complete control over the signal. It leaks.. no channel is noiseless. let it!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-590367</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, let&#039;s compare the licensed TV receiver situation to here in Canada.

The TVO situation is a smidge more complicated, but as for the CBC:
- we have no receiver license, so we buy American and Japanese sets (NTSC, now ATSC and QAM mostly built in)
- We pay taxes to our governments, who then distribute the money to these programmes (contrast to a situation where you can opt out, this is true &#039;forced payment&#039;)
- Nevertheless, a solid majority of us pay extra money to get a bunch more channels via cable or satellite, some Canadian but most American

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I love the CBC, but those who don&#039;t have no choices. Also, like most of the modern world, I download most of my TV and movies. TV is as dead as, if a few years behind, the newspaper industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, let&#8217;s compare the licensed TV receiver situation to here in Canada.</p>
<p>The TVO situation is a smidge more complicated, but as for the CBC:<br />
- we have no receiver license, so we buy American and Japanese sets (NTSC, now ATSC and QAM mostly built in)<br />
- We pay taxes to our governments, who then distribute the money to these programmes (contrast to a situation where you can opt out, this is true &#8216;forced payment&#8217;)<br />
- Nevertheless, a solid majority of us pay extra money to get a bunch more channels via cable or satellite, some Canadian but most American</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love the CBC, but those who don&#8217;t have no choices. Also, like most of the modern world, I download most of my TV and movies. TV is as dead as, if a few years behind, the newspaper industry.</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-590374</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TBH, I didn&#039;t even look at the timestamp on the BBC article, but if it was your finger that tipped the first domino; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47p82IPfPGI&quot;&gt;feel the power of the blogside&lt;/a&gt;! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TBH, I didn&#8217;t even look at the timestamp on the BBC article, but if it was your finger that tipped the first domino; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47p82IPfPGI">feel the power of the blogside</a>! :)</p>
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		<title>By: george57l</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589864</link>
		<dc:creator>george57l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just rattled his inbox too. Not just about the issue but the disgrace of a so-called consultation that was not public and was open for only 2 weeks.

Whose side are Ofcom on?  (Oh - wait ...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just rattled his inbox too. Not just about the issue but the disgrace of a so-called consultation that was not public and was open for only 2 weeks.</p>
<p>Whose side are Ofcom on?  (Oh &#8211; wait &#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: WalterBillington</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-592169</link>
		<dc:creator>WalterBillington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK OK OK just stop consuming this rubbish!  I know several writers / producers in Hollywood, and they don&#039;t even have TVs!  They can&#039;t stand it!

Worry about DRM, yes, but if there&#039;s no money going in, the whole thing falls over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK OK OK just stop consuming this rubbish!  I know several writers / producers in Hollywood, and they don&#8217;t even have TVs!  They can&#8217;t stand it!</p>
<p>Worry about DRM, yes, but if there&#8217;s no money going in, the whole thing falls over.</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-590127</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DWM, if there is anything I respect about the BBC (and there is a lot  that I do), it&#039;s their ability to report independently on themselves, no matter what pickle they&#039;ve gotten themselves into.

They do it all the time, and everytime it happens I think, &quot;bravo&quot;.

Of course the cynical part of me expects them to spin it, but generally the reports contain the same info I&#039;ll find on Channel 4 or ITN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWM, if there is anything I respect about the BBC (and there is a lot  that I do), it&#8217;s their ability to report independently on themselves, no matter what pickle they&#8217;ve gotten themselves into.</p>
<p>They do it all the time, and everytime it happens I think, &#8220;bravo&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course the cynical part of me expects them to spin it, but generally the reports contain the same info I&#8217;ll find on Channel 4 or ITN.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson.C</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589895</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson.C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m far from an expert, but aren&#039;t the Huffman coding schemes mentioned in the letter just an ordinary feature of compression schemes such as ZIPs and JPEGs? Is compression the same as encryption? If so, then the BBC&#039;s MPEGed digital broadcasts must surely be illegal, by this intepretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m far from an expert, but aren&#8217;t the Huffman coding schemes mentioned in the letter just an ordinary feature of compression schemes such as ZIPs and JPEGs? Is compression the same as encryption? If so, then the BBC&#8217;s MPEGed digital broadcasts must surely be illegal, by this intepretation.</p>
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		<title>By: asuffield</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589896</link>
		<dc:creator>asuffield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Encryption is mathematically analogous to uncompression (not compression; it makes the data larger, not smaller), yes. For practical purposes we avoid saying &#039;encrypted&#039; and instead say &#039;any technical method that effectively prevents people from accessing the content&#039; or something like that, since weak encryption algorithms are indistinguishable from a proprietary video codec for which no documentation is provided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Encryption is mathematically analogous to uncompression (not compression; it makes the data larger, not smaller), yes. For practical purposes we avoid saying &#8216;encrypted&#8217; and instead say &#8216;any technical method that effectively prevents people from accessing the content&#8217; or something like that, since weak encryption algorithms are indistinguishable from a proprietary video codec for which no documentation is provided.</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589905</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sent.</description>
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		<title>By: Camp Freddie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589910</link>
		<dc:creator>Camp Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E-mail sent.  Good spot Cory, glad you caught this just in time.

Does anyone else think that the alternate proposal (totally encrytped content) is only added in order to make the main proposal (essentially encrypted keys to the content) seem more acceptable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E-mail sent.  Good spot Cory, glad you caught this just in time.</p>
<p>Does anyone else think that the alternate proposal (totally encrytped content) is only added in order to make the main proposal (essentially encrypted keys to the content) seem more acceptable?</p>
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		<title>By: misterfricative</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589917</link>
		<dc:creator>misterfricative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camp Freddie asked - &lt;blockquote&gt;Does anyone else think that the alternate proposal (totally encrytped content) is only added in order to make the main proposal (essentially encrypted keys to the content) seem more acceptable?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, since you ask, that&#039;s exactly what I thought when I read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camp Freddie asked &#8211;<br />
<blockquote>Does anyone else think that the alternate proposal (totally encrytped content) is only added in order to make the main proposal (essentially encrypted keys to the content) seem more acceptable?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, since you ask, that&#8217;s exactly what I thought when I read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-594532</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People commenting here may be interested in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protection_up.html&quot;&gt;this new post on the BBC Internet blog&lt;/a&gt;.

Nick Reynolds (I am the executive editor of the BBC Internet blog)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People commenting here may be interested in <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protection_up.html">this new post on the BBC Internet blog</a>.</p>
<p>Nick Reynolds (I am the executive editor of the BBC Internet blog)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-590949</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pants - simple DP error.  Yes, Â£2:70 a week.  Still worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pants &#8211; simple DP error.  Yes, Â£2:70 a week.  Still worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-590454</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just the BBC - if you read the story it is by the BBC on behalf of Freeview, at the request of other stakeholders including ITV and Channel 4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just the BBC &#8211; if you read the story it is by the BBC on behalf of Freeview, at the request of other stakeholders including ITV and Channel 4</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone pays for TV.  Most people pay for it with the time wasted by having adverts inserted into their viewing/listening (the licence fee also pas for a number of radio stations).

For less than 3 pence a week (and, I guarantee, that either by dint of radio or TV, somebody in our household will use the service almost every day) we get some of the best programming in the world, with new drama and comedy that no commercial enterprise would dare risk.

Frankly, its worth it for BBC Wildlife documentaries alone - NOBODY, and I mean this utterly sincerely - NOBODY matches the BBC when it comes to amazing documentaries about the natural world.

(Though I do feel sorry for those that suffer dubbing to put an American voice in instead of David Attenbourough&#039;s dulcet tones)



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone pays for TV.  Most people pay for it with the time wasted by having adverts inserted into their viewing/listening (the licence fee also pas for a number of radio stations).</p>
<p>For less than 3 pence a week (and, I guarantee, that either by dint of radio or TV, somebody in our household will use the service almost every day) we get some of the best programming in the world, with new drama and comedy that no commercial enterprise would dare risk.</p>
<p>Frankly, its worth it for BBC Wildlife documentaries alone &#8211; NOBODY, and I mean this utterly sincerely &#8211; NOBODY matches the BBC when it comes to amazing documentaries about the natural world.</p>
<p>(Though I do feel sorry for those that suffer dubbing to put an American voice in instead of David Attenbourough&#8217;s dulcet tones)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589702</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best argument yet to PIRATE EVERYTHING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best argument yet to PIRATE EVERYTHING.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589964</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the fact the UK still has a licence on Television Receives in the 21st C is ludicrous. No other developed nation still requires a licence for public access broadcast media.&quot;

You mean, apart from:
Albania
Austria
Belgium (Walloon Region)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Macedonia
Malta
Montenegro
Norway
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
Israel
Japan
Korea, Republic of
Pakistan
Singapore
Ghana
Mauritius
Namibia
South Africa
Brazil

Also check how well you do by the BBC licence cf the RAI licence for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the fact the UK still has a licence on Television Receives in the 21st C is ludicrous. No other developed nation still requires a licence for public access broadcast media.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean, apart from:<br />
Albania<br />
Austria<br />
Belgium (Walloon Region)<br />
Bosnia and Herzegovina<br />
Croatia<br />
Czech Republic<br />
Denmark<br />
Finland<br />
France<br />
Germany<br />
Greece<br />
Iceland<br />
Ireland<br />
Italy<br />
Macedonia<br />
Malta<br />
Montenegro<br />
Norway<br />
Poland<br />
Romania<br />
Slovakia<br />
Slovenia<br />
Sweden<br />
Switzerland<br />
United Kingdom<br />
Israel<br />
Japan<br />
Korea, Republic of<br />
Pakistan<br />
Singapore<br />
Ghana<br />
Mauritius<br />
Namibia<br />
South Africa<br />
Brazil</p>
<p>Also check how well you do by the BBC licence cf the RAI licence for example.</p>
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		<title>By: xobmai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589968</link>
		<dc:creator>xobmai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC seems bipolar. They enthusiastically spend time and money pursuing open (and innovative) projects (such as http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/10/on_the_bbc_annotatable_audio_project/ ) and then apparently drop them -- as if they were only ever researched to satisfy a few niggling idealistic and industry incompatible items in their charter. Same as any company, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC seems bipolar. They enthusiastically spend time and money pursuing open (and innovative) projects (such as <a href="http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/10/on_the_bbc_annotatable_audio_project/" rel="nofollow">http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/10/on_the_bbc_annotatable_audio_project/</a> ) and then apparently drop them &#8212; as if they were only ever researched to satisfy a few niggling idealistic and industry incompatible items in their charter. Same as any company, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589720</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would this mean that the set-top boxes i&#039;ve already bought (1 per receiver = 1 for each telly and 1 for each vcr and each pre-digital hdd recorder, plus I suppose the freeview-ready hdd recorders themselves)
would be rendered useless?

Would I be compensated for buying equipment the government told me I would need for switchover?

I would hope so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would this mean that the set-top boxes i&#8217;ve already bought (1 per receiver = 1 for each telly and 1 for each vcr and each pre-digital hdd recorder, plus I suppose the freeview-ready hdd recorders themselves)<br />
would be rendered useless?</p>
<p>Would I be compensated for buying equipment the government told me I would need for switchover?</p>
<p>I would hope so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589982</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous20,

&quot;&lt;i&gt;No other developed nation still requires a licence for public access broadcast media.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

In fact, Ireland also requires a TV licence. And it looks like Singapore does too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous20,</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>No other developed nation still requires a licence for public access broadcast media.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, Ireland also requires a TV licence. And it looks like Singapore does too.</p>
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		<title>By: KanedaJones</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-604830</link>
		<dc:creator>KanedaJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@42 posted by Anon Nick Reynolds (I am the executive editor of the BBC Internet blog) 


thanks for pointing that post out, I would also refer to this other post, http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protection_a.html  

With those however, I fail to see the commenter&#039;s on each post getting any kind of detailed answer at all to their questions either.

  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@42 posted by Anon Nick Reynolds (I am the executive editor of the BBC Internet blog) </p>
<p>thanks for pointing that post out, I would also refer to this other post, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protection_a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protection_a.html</a>  </p>
<p>With those however, I fail to see the commenter&#8217;s on each post getting any kind of detailed answer at all to their questions either.</p>
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		<title>By: tsuki_chama</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589742</link>
		<dc:creator>tsuki_chama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve blogged my e-mail to the guy, if anyone wants to use it as inspiration for their own:

http://www.onlydreaming.net/blog/drm-on-my-bbc-broadcasts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve blogged my e-mail to the guy, if anyone wants to use it as inspiration for their own:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.onlydreaming.net/blog/drm-on-my-bbc-broadcasts" rel="nofollow">http://www.onlydreaming.net/blog/drm-on-my-bbc-broadcasts</a></p>
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		<title>By: misterfricative</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/15/bbc-wants-to-put-drm.html#comment-589748</link>
		<dc:creator>misterfricative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my reading is correct, then the proposed amendment will make absolutely no difference to the present license.  All it does is to make explicit a situation that already obtains. That is, &#039;Condition 6&#039; could still be &#039;construed&#039; in exactly the same way even without this amendment.  

This is Ofcom&#039;s proposal --

&lt;blockquote&gt;To add at the end of Condition 6: â€œ(8) Nothing in this Condition 6 is to be
construed as preventing the Licensee from entering into arrangements for the
protection of intellectual property rights in High Definition television services
where such arrangements have been approved by Ofcom in writingâ€. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

On the other hand, this amendment will of course help to grease the wheels, and it will pre-emptively remove one possible line of defense when the real issue comes up for debate.  That issue being whether or not Ofcom will grant written permission for the DTLA to fuck everyone up the ass while the BBC discreetly provides the mood music and rohypnol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my reading is correct, then the proposed amendment will make absolutely no difference to the present license.  All it does is to make explicit a situation that already obtains. That is, &#8216;Condition 6&#8242; could still be &#8216;construed&#8217; in exactly the same way even without this amendment.  </p>
<p>This is Ofcom&#8217;s proposal &#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>To add at the end of Condition 6: â€œ(8) Nothing in this Condition 6 is to be<br />
construed as preventing the Licensee from entering into arrangements for the<br />
protection of intellectual property rights in High Definition television services<br />
where such arrangements have been approved by Ofcom in writingâ€. </p></blockquote>
<p>On the other hand, this amendment will of course help to grease the wheels, and it will pre-emptively remove one possible line of defense when the real issue comes up for debate.  That issue being whether or not Ofcom will grant written permission for the DTLA to fuck everyone up the ass while the BBC discreetly provides the mood music and rohypnol.</p>
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