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	<title>Comments on: Rich Seattle suburbs install ubiquitous surveillance cameras, cops follow all &quot;suspicious&quot;&#160;vehicles</title>
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		<title>By: overunger</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-591113</link>
		<dc:creator>overunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they&#039;re not going to pay for libraries. Libraries are a socialist, commie system. These are true Americans! 

Besides, libraries are for the &quot;little&quot; people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they&#8217;re not going to pay for libraries. Libraries are a socialist, commie system. These are true Americans! </p>
<p>Besides, libraries are for the &#8220;little&#8221; people.</p>
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		<title>By: dcamsam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590607</link>
		<dc:creator>dcamsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how the community has decided that &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; police will not be pursuing any of &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt;, but will rather punish any outsider unfortunate enough to enter their territory.

It&#039;s how a gang would behave, if it were so wealthy that it could outsource its violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how the community has decided that <i>their</i> police will not be pursuing any of <i>them</i>, but will rather punish any outsider unfortunate enough to enter their territory.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s how a gang would behave, if it were so wealthy that it could outsource its violence.</p>
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		<title>By: kc0bbq</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590611</link>
		<dc:creator>kc0bbq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5 - Are you saying crime is tolerable?  I wouldn&#039;t want a police chief going around telling people that they&#039;re going to tolerate a number of burglaries just to keep people guessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5 &#8211; Are you saying crime is tolerable?  I wouldn&#8217;t want a police chief going around telling people that they&#8217;re going to tolerate a number of burglaries just to keep people guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: delt664</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-591384</link>
		<dc:creator>delt664</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has spent most of my life living in Medina, I can tell you all that this is par for the course.  The Medina Police force has more money than it knows how to spend, and a chip on their shoulder when it comes to traffic enforcement - but are completely impotent when it comes to actual crime.  

When I was a teenager, I would get pulled over constantly for &quot;driving a suspicious vehicle&quot;.  This translated as &quot;You are driving a crappy car in Medina&quot;  But when my parents house was robbed, the cops did nothing but take a statement, shrug and pretty much say &quot;tough sh**&quot;.  

When a neighbors car was stolen, he got pretty much the same response.  He made a report to Medina Police, and 2 days later when it was found in a ditch, it had not even been entered in whatever system the police use for stolen cars.

God forbid you live in Medina and let your car tabs expire!  The police constantly sit at the gas station where most traffic enters / exits the neighborhood, and all they do is run plates and check tabs all day long.  When I purchased a used car that had expired tabs, I was pulled over every day for 4 weeks despite displaying the appropriate dealership temporary plates.

I have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and tracking my every movement in the neighborhood I live is a violation of that privacy.


I cant tell you how many million dollar homes in Medina have a 3 dollar lock on the door.  If the good residents if Medina are worried about crime, my suggestion is to invest in good locks and a security system, and use them.  

Shelling out a ton of money to build Big Brother / Skynet is not the answer, and is not the American way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has spent most of my life living in Medina, I can tell you all that this is par for the course.  The Medina Police force has more money than it knows how to spend, and a chip on their shoulder when it comes to traffic enforcement &#8211; but are completely impotent when it comes to actual crime.  </p>
<p>When I was a teenager, I would get pulled over constantly for &#8220;driving a suspicious vehicle&#8221;.  This translated as &#8220;You are driving a crappy car in Medina&#8221;  But when my parents house was robbed, the cops did nothing but take a statement, shrug and pretty much say &#8220;tough sh**&#8221;.  </p>
<p>When a neighbors car was stolen, he got pretty much the same response.  He made a report to Medina Police, and 2 days later when it was found in a ditch, it had not even been entered in whatever system the police use for stolen cars.</p>
<p>God forbid you live in Medina and let your car tabs expire!  The police constantly sit at the gas station where most traffic enters / exits the neighborhood, and all they do is run plates and check tabs all day long.  When I purchased a used car that had expired tabs, I was pulled over every day for 4 weeks despite displaying the appropriate dealership temporary plates.</p>
<p>I have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and tracking my every movement in the neighborhood I live is a violation of that privacy.</p>
<p>I cant tell you how many million dollar homes in Medina have a 3 dollar lock on the door.  If the good residents if Medina are worried about crime, my suggestion is to invest in good locks and a security system, and use them.  </p>
<p>Shelling out a ton of money to build Big Brother / Skynet is not the answer, and is not the American way.</p>
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		<title>By: AsteriskCGY</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590882</link>
		<dc:creator>AsteriskCGY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Course, CCTV works wonders for Newark NJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Course, CCTV works wonders for Newark NJ.</p>
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		<title>By: guernican</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-591140</link>
		<dc:creator>guernican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t suppose I&#039;ll stop hearing barbs about how the UK is a surveillance society, then. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t suppose I&#8217;ll stop hearing barbs about how the UK is a surveillance society, then. </p>
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		<title>By: billnordwall</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590633</link>
		<dc:creator>billnordwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Ahem. Medina is in &lt;b&gt;Bellevue&lt;/b&gt; suburb, not a Seattle one. 

This is tantamount to calling West Berkeley a suburb of San Francisco.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem. Medina is in <b>Bellevue</b> suburb, not a Seattle one. </p>
<p>This is tantamount to calling West Berkeley a suburb of San Francisco.</p>
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		<title>By: EricT</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590634</link>
		<dc:creator>EricT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok I have lived here all my life.  I have been to Medina and the surrounding uber communities maybe once or twice in that time.  So I suppose they can do whatever they want.  this is afterall the neighborhoods in which Bill Gates has built his house.  these people are beyond rich and have created their own little enclaves.
Did it bother me when I read the story this morning riding the bus to work?  Yes but there &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; gated communities here that have guards at the front.  And in the final analysis they are munies with duely elected officials and they get to make their own rules so long as they do not break the wider rules.
Cory I have a question.  You state they do not pay county taxes, what is your source on that?  I have never heard that claim before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I have lived here all my life.  I have been to Medina and the surrounding uber communities maybe once or twice in that time.  So I suppose they can do whatever they want.  this is afterall the neighborhoods in which Bill Gates has built his house.  these people are beyond rich and have created their own little enclaves.<br />
Did it bother me when I read the story this morning riding the bus to work?  Yes but there <i>are</i> gated communities here that have guards at the front.  And in the final analysis they are munies with duely elected officials and they get to make their own rules so long as they do not break the wider rules.<br />
Cory I have a question.  You state they do not pay county taxes, what is your source on that?  I have never heard that claim before.</p>
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		<title>By: Cicada</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590635</link>
		<dc:creator>Cicada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, let&#039;s look at the flipside here-- what&#039;s the harm in a community that says to outsiders, &quot;Please keep the hell out&quot;? &lt;br&gt;They were even polite enough to put up signs to let people know rather than find out by surprise. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, let&#8217;s look at the flipside here&#8211; what&#8217;s the harm in a community that says to outsiders, &#8220;Please keep the hell out&#8221;? <br />They were even polite enough to put up signs to let people know rather than find out by surprise. </p>
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		<title>By: Felton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-591413</link>
		<dc:creator>Felton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another town to avoid traveling through on principle?  Dammit!  My next cross-country road trip route is going to look like a sine wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another town to avoid traveling through on principle?  Dammit!  My next cross-country road trip route is going to look like a sine wave.</p>
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		<title>By: EricT</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590646</link>
		<dc:creator>EricT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 Yes but there is a legal thing called the right to travel (paraphrase) Basically it means that they man has no right to ask you why you are walking down a sidewalk.
Source - the SPD captain who was speaking to our burglary ridden community why we cant just call the cops an anyone who is walking down the street regardless of if they do not belong in the neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 Yes but there is a legal thing called the right to travel (paraphrase) Basically it means that they man has no right to ask you why you are walking down a sidewalk.<br />
Source &#8211; the SPD captain who was speaking to our burglary ridden community why we cant just call the cops an anyone who is walking down the street regardless of if they do not belong in the neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: EricT</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590648</link>
		<dc:creator>EricT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 Yes but there is a legal thing called the right to travel (paraphrase) Basically it means that they man has no right to ask you why you are walking down a sidewalk.
Source - the SPD captain who was speaking to our burglary ridden community why we cant just call the cops an anyone who is walking down the street regardless of if they do not belong in the neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 Yes but there is a legal thing called the right to travel (paraphrase) Basically it means that they man has no right to ask you why you are walking down a sidewalk.<br />
Source &#8211; the SPD captain who was speaking to our burglary ridden community why we cant just call the cops an anyone who is walking down the street regardless of if they do not belong in the neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: lectroid</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590905</link>
		<dc:creator>lectroid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ANON 25

Living close to Tiburon, I can say with at least a bit of authority that there&#039;s very little reason to go to Tiburon unless you already live there or are considering living there, in which case you&#039;re already fabulously wealthy and aren&#039;t worried about what rules might apply to you, because none of them do.

I imagine the situation in this similar sounding community is much the same. A collection of enormous houses with spectacular views, a few overpriced gourmet shops, snobby art galleries, jewelry stores, and real-estate offices that are open by appt. only.

They&#039;re advertising to the general public to stay the hell out, they don&#039;t want or need your money.

I see no reason not to grant that wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ANON 25</p>
<p>Living close to Tiburon, I can say with at least a bit of authority that there&#8217;s very little reason to go to Tiburon unless you already live there or are considering living there, in which case you&#8217;re already fabulously wealthy and aren&#8217;t worried about what rules might apply to you, because none of them do.</p>
<p>I imagine the situation in this similar sounding community is much the same. A collection of enormous houses with spectacular views, a few overpriced gourmet shops, snobby art galleries, jewelry stores, and real-estate offices that are open by appt. only.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re advertising to the general public to stay the hell out, they don&#8217;t want or need your money.</p>
<p>I see no reason not to grant that wish.</p>
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		<title>By: desiredusername</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590656</link>
		<dc:creator>desiredusername</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider this alternate perpendicular-side to Cicada&#039;s flipside. 

Rich people are also commonly bilked out of money. Any wealthy hotel is going to charge $7 for a PBR and a $20 surcharge for using their hotel phone to make a call etc etc..and wealthy people won&#039;t be bothered to identify how they are getting bilked on an itemized list. It is like normal people with telecommunication plans. So similarly the police of Medina may be bilking the residents by inventing services and charging them via property taxes. Its a common occurrence for wealth to attract a culture of parasitism.   

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider this alternate perpendicular-side to Cicada&#8217;s flipside. </p>
<p>Rich people are also commonly bilked out of money. Any wealthy hotel is going to charge $7 for a PBR and a $20 surcharge for using their hotel phone to make a call etc etc..and wealthy people won&#8217;t be bothered to identify how they are getting bilked on an itemized list. It is like normal people with telecommunication plans. So similarly the police of Medina may be bilking the residents by inventing services and charging them via property taxes. Its a common occurrence for wealth to attract a culture of parasitism.   </p>
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		<title>By: ladmcins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-747073</link>
		<dc:creator>ladmcins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So here&#039;s the deal.... don&#039;t live there or go there if you don&#039;t like their rules... Judging from the comments of even the people that live close that are opposed to this plan; they don&#039;t seem inclined to go to Medina anyway... If I&#039;m ever in that particular area, I would be MORE willing to stop and patronize any establishment in this community knowing that I might be in an area that welcomes honesty and is disgusted by crime.

I applaud the steps taken by this community.  My wish is that my own area of the world in rural Ohio would be blessed by the same type of individuals that developed and adopted this plan.  If my family is protected (even just a little more than an occasional patrol car), I would be willing to have my phones tapped, video taped and put on youtube as an effort to step up protection.  

And for the record, I conducted a quick poll of my household.... my wife, 5 year old and two 8 year olds don&#039;t feel like being robbed once OR several times is acceptable.... as quoted by my 5 year old.... &quot;not never&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So here&#8217;s the deal&#8230;. don&#8217;t live there or go there if you don&#8217;t like their rules&#8230; Judging from the comments of even the people that live close that are opposed to this plan; they don&#8217;t seem inclined to go to Medina anyway&#8230; If I&#8217;m ever in that particular area, I would be MORE willing to stop and patronize any establishment in this community knowing that I might be in an area that welcomes honesty and is disgusted by crime.</p>
<p>I applaud the steps taken by this community.  My wish is that my own area of the world in rural Ohio would be blessed by the same type of individuals that developed and adopted this plan.  If my family is protected (even just a little more than an occasional patrol car), I would be willing to have my phones tapped, video taped and put on youtube as an effort to step up protection.  </p>
<p>And for the record, I conducted a quick poll of my household&#8230;. my wife, 5 year old and two 8 year olds don&#8217;t feel like being robbed once OR several times is acceptable&#8230;. as quoted by my 5 year old&#8230;. &#8220;not never&#8221;. </p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Jones</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590661</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A flashmob of librarians. Dressed in Guy Fawkes masks. Carrying banana cream pies.</description>
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		<title>By: EricT</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590668</link>
		<dc:creator>EricT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 
Actually the police in these communities are Janisarys raised for the task from orphans hand picked from 3rd world sweat shops.  They have  been outfitted with obedience chips and neutured to prevent any unfortunated liasons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15<br />
Actually the police in these communities are Janisarys raised for the task from orphans hand picked from 3rd world sweat shops.  They have  been outfitted with obedience chips and neutured to prevent any unfortunated liasons</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kirk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-591184</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Hey #42! We don&#039;t have any &quot;You are now entering a 24 hour surveillance area&quot; notices in London.

You never left...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey #42! We don&#8217;t have any &#8220;You are now entering a 24 hour surveillance area&#8221; notices in London.</p>
<p>You never left&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: donnyk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/09/16/rich-seattle-suburbs.html#comment-590673</link>
		<dc:creator>donnyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much Bill Gates skews that average of 3,100 with $222K income</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much Bill Gates skews that average of 3,100 with $222K income</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dare someone to steal one of the signs.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>I heard they are also working on developing a system using &quot;precogs&quot;, people who can see the future, to stop crimes before they happen. Because &quot;even one crime is intolerable.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard they are also working on developing a system using &#8220;precogs&#8221;, people who can see the future, to stop crimes before they happen. Because &#8220;even one crime is intolerable.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jimkirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the crime of burglary tolerable in society?  YES.

The cost of eliminating all possibility of crime is, well, I think Ripley from the Aliens movie said it best, &quot;I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It&#039;s the only way to be sure.&quot;

But seriously, if a community has $X worth of burglaries per year, and can completely eliminate it at a cost of $100X per year, who wins?

When Jesus said that the poor will always be with you, he wasn&#039;t advocating poverty, but  acknowledging that societies aren&#039;t perfect, and we must deal with it.  In a similar way, &quot;crime will always be with you&quot;.  It&#039;s up to us to deal with it reasonably and responsibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the crime of burglary tolerable in society?  YES.</p>
<p>The cost of eliminating all possibility of crime is, well, I think Ripley from the Aliens movie said it best, &#8220;I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It&#8217;s the only way to be sure.&#8221;</p>
<p>But seriously, if a community has $X worth of burglaries per year, and can completely eliminate it at a cost of $100X per year, who wins?</p>
<p>When Jesus said that the poor will always be with you, he wasn&#8217;t advocating poverty, but  acknowledging that societies aren&#8217;t perfect, and we must deal with it.  In a similar way, &#8220;crime will always be with you&#8221;.  It&#8217;s up to us to deal with it reasonably and responsibly.</p>
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		<title>By: jdixon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Residents of this neighborhood have plenty of private security already, I bet.

#12-I&#039;m not sure &quot;polite&quot; is the right word. It&#039;s &quot;You have been warned.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Residents of this neighborhood have plenty of private security already, I bet.</p>
<p>#12-I&#8217;m not sure &#8220;polite&#8221; is the right word. It&#8217;s &#8220;You have been warned.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Councilmember Lucius Biglow&#039;s quote that crime prevention &quot;outweighs concern over privacy&quot; reminds me of one of my favorites from Ben Franklin (paraphrased): &quot;Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Councilmember Lucius Biglow&#8217;s quote that crime prevention &#8220;outweighs concern over privacy&#8221; reminds me of one of my favorites from Ben Franklin (paraphrased): &#8220;Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: desiredusername</title>
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		<description>@ERICT I don&#039;t think parasitism is very paranoid. I think cops can frequently look after their own even after they rise up to political levels. In fact parasitism is more likely on the higher levels, not on the beat cop level that you are inventing a story about. 

It&#039;s good business in a lot of respects. If a person doesn&#039;t care to brush off the mosquitoes that&#039;s their prerogative. 

Also I recommend the convention of @&lt;DesiredUserName&gt; rather than #&lt;DesiredPostNumber&gt; because BoingBoing inserts anonymous comments more slowly than registered comments but keeps them in chronological order. To compensate for the later entry, the post numbers on all following posts will change, for instance my post #12 may become #14 when the anonymous posts preceding mine finally get accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ERICT I don&#8217;t think parasitism is very paranoid. I think cops can frequently look after their own even after they rise up to political levels. In fact parasitism is more likely on the higher levels, not on the beat cop level that you are inventing a story about. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s good business in a lot of respects. If a person doesn&#8217;t care to brush off the mosquitoes that&#8217;s their prerogative. </p>
<p>Also I recommend the convention of @<desiredusername> rather than #<desiredpostnumber> because BoingBoing inserts anonymous comments more slowly than registered comments but keeps them in chronological order. To compensate for the later entry, the post numbers on all following posts will change, for instance my post #12 may become #14 when the anonymous posts preceding mine finally get accepted.</desiredpostnumber></desiredusername></p>
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		<title>By: Agile Cyborg</title>
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		<description>Planet fungi and fat, womb-obsessed fetuses are only slightly elitist.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>dogparkfan:

Given that today is Constitution Day, I would like to direct your attention to the National Constitution Center.  On their website one can download a copy of the entire US constitution.  Wherin you will find that your community is teetering on the brink of violating Section One of Article XIV.  The first time someone is arrested for simply &quot;passing through&quot;, your community can expect a very expensive civil rights lawsuit that your community will be lucky to settle out of court.  
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<p>Given that today is Constitution Day, I would like to direct your attention to the National Constitution Center.  On their website one can download a copy of the entire US constitution.  Wherin you will find that your community is teetering on the brink of violating Section One of Article XIV.  The first time someone is arrested for simply &#8220;passing through&#8221;, your community can expect a very expensive civil rights lawsuit that your community will be lucky to settle out of court.  </p>
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		<title>By: reginald</title>
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		<description>seriously, who would be in these suburbs except child-raping maniacs and stepford wives?
obey the signs people.
we can draw a ring around them and start again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously, who would be in these suburbs except child-raping maniacs and stepford wives?<br />
obey the signs people.<br />
we can draw a ring around them and start again</p>
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		<title>By: DWittSF</title>
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		<description>Q: Name a community with zero crime rate

A: White collar prisons</description>
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<p>A: White collar prisons</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Sounds like the policy of Tiburon north of San Francisco (tiburon == shark in Spanish so why should anyone be surprised when the local government acts like a pact of sharks?)

The line about &quot;zero tolerance&quot; to minor crime illustrates the stupidity of the residents - they imagine risk can be reduced to zero at all or without any side effects.  Complete morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the policy of Tiburon north of San Francisco (tiburon == shark in Spanish so why should anyone be surprised when the local government acts like a pact of sharks?)</p>
<p>The line about &#8220;zero tolerance&#8221; to minor crime illustrates the stupidity of the residents &#8211; they imagine risk can be reduced to zero at all or without any side effects.  Complete morons.</p>
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