Comments on: Philadelphia Free Library System saved! http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Cog http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593671 Cog Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593671 Cory, Don't be naive. The library system wasn't 'saved' by a magical letter-writing campaign. The very threat of its closing was only one maneuver in a little theater of political brinksmanship happening in Pennsylvania right now. Cory,

Don’t be naive. The library system wasn’t ‘saved’ by a magical letter-writing campaign.

The very threat of its closing was only one maneuver in a little theater of political brinksmanship happening in Pennsylvania right now.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593697 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593697 "So why didn't the city raise property taxes to cover city services - why should the rural inhabitants who are not getting their trash collected be paying for the urbanites? A sales increase is a sneaky way to pass the cost over to those who aren't using a service. Glad that the libraries are safe, but that is not a nice way to cover city expenses." The sales tax only applies to Philadelphia (the city itself) and it's for five years only. “So why didn’t the city raise property taxes to cover city services – why should the rural inhabitants who are not getting their trash collected be paying for the urbanites? A sales increase is a sneaky way to pass the cost over to those who aren’t using a service. Glad that the libraries are safe, but that is not a nice way to cover city expenses.”

The sales tax only applies to Philadelphia (the city itself) and it’s for five years only.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-594222 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594222 Regardless of how it was saved; the important thing is that the libraries did not shut down, and jobs were saved. It may be a tax burden for some, but ensuring that for students who need it have access to research and reading materials is a small price to pay. The letter writing may have only made some people feel better, but I'm sure it didn't hurt, and the library system needed any support they could get. Just having libraries is not a fix all for a city with a lot of problems, true, but I do not want to imagine a city without books. The internet may be far reaching and ever expanding, but it is still no replacement for libraries or other sources for books, as not everyone has internet access. I for one am thankful and relieved that the libraries will remain open. Regardless of how it was saved; the important thing is that the libraries did not shut down, and jobs were saved. It may be a tax burden for some, but ensuring that for students who need it have access to research and reading materials is a small price to pay. The letter writing may have only made some people feel better, but I’m sure it didn’t hurt, and the library system needed any support they could get. Just having libraries is not a fix all for a city with a lot of problems, true, but I do not want to imagine a city without books. The internet may be far reaching and ever expanding, but it is still no replacement for libraries or other sources for books, as not everyone has internet access. I for one am thankful and relieved that the libraries will remain open.

]]> By: pato pal ur http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593730 pato pal ur Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593730 Libraries are nice and all, but personally I think the money would be better spent translating great works of literature into emoji. Libraries are nice and all, but personally I think the money would be better spent translating great works of literature into emoji.

]]> By: Chris Tucker http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-594266 Chris Tucker Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594266 And countless Randian Supermen, bow their noble heads and allow a single tear to escape from a tightly closed eye. They clench a Cheeto dust-stained hand, and swear on their collected works of Rand and Milton (Freidman, that is) that one day, ONE DAY, the Randian Utopia WILL BE REALIZED! And on that day, they will leave the basement of the parental units and stride forth, to set the blazing torch of Purification to the dens of Socialist Death known as <a href="http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Landauer/The_Scourge_of_Public_Libraries.shtml"><B>The Public Library!</B></A> And then, life will be like something like what L. Neil Smith would write if he wrote stroke books for Randroids. Oh, wait. That what he already writes. Never mind. And countless Randian Supermen, bow their noble heads and allow a single tear to escape from a tightly closed eye.

They clench a Cheeto dust-stained hand, and swear on their collected works of Rand and Milton (Freidman, that is) that one day, ONE DAY, the Randian Utopia WILL BE REALIZED!

And on that day, they will leave the basement of the parental units and stride forth, to set the blazing torch of Purification to the dens of Socialist Death known as The Public Library!

And then, life will be like something like what L. Neil Smith would write if he wrote stroke books for Randroids.

Oh, wait. That what he already writes.

Never mind.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-594268 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594268 One fiscal problem that is somehwat unique to Philadelphia is that at one time or another over the past few decades, the state has taken over some operations due to corruption, mismanagement, or mere power brokering. In particular, one of the entities controlled by the state is the Philadelphia Parking Authority, which means parking ticket revenues and parking taxes go into state coffers. While it's nice to see $30 parking tickets in Center City after coming from the three-digit parking fines of Manhattan, it also means that this easy method of raising revenue isn't in the cards for Philly. Another revenue problem vis a vis property taxes is that the assessment board is completely corrupt ( http://www.philly.com/philly/hot_topics/39325332.html for gory details )and, at present, beyond the reach of city government to reform ( http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20090507_BRT_to_Nutter__Were_staying.html ) One fiscal problem that is somehwat unique to Philadelphia is that at one time or another over the past few decades, the state has taken over some operations due to corruption, mismanagement, or mere power brokering.

In particular, one of the entities controlled by the state is the Philadelphia Parking Authority, which means parking ticket revenues and parking taxes go into state coffers. While it’s nice to see $30 parking tickets in Center City after coming from the three-digit parking fines of Manhattan, it also means that this easy method of raising revenue isn’t in the cards for Philly.

Another revenue problem vis a vis property taxes is that the assessment board is completely corrupt ( http://www.philly.com/philly/hot_topics/39325332.html for gory details )and, at present, beyond the reach of city government to reform ( http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20090507_BRT_to_Nutter__Were_staying.html )

]]> By: TheMadLibrarian http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593769 TheMadLibrarian Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593769 Devil's Advocate here... Libraries are canaries in the coal mine of legislation. They benefit all, for a relative pittance. They are an easy target, both for budget reductions and for massive "Save the ____" campaigns. When politicians target libraries to be cut, what else are they negotiating behind the scenes? Devil’s Advocate here…
Libraries are canaries in the coal mine of legislation. They benefit all, for a relative pittance. They are an easy target, both for budget reductions and for massive “Save the ____” campaigns. When politicians target libraries to be cut, what else are they negotiating behind the scenes?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-611691 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-611691 saved...kinda. from library journal: "After nearly 100 days of deadlock on the Pennsylvania state budget, legislators last week agreed to a compromise, including a 26.7% slash in state support for libraries, from $93,246,000 to $68,322,000, cutting back on direct public library aid and even more so on statewide services." http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6701634.html saved…kinda. from library journal: “After nearly 100 days of deadlock on the Pennsylvania state budget, legislators last week agreed to a compromise, including a 26.7% slash in state support for libraries, from $93,246,000 to $68,322,000, cutting back on direct public library aid and even more so on statewide services.”
http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6701634.html

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593775 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593775 Commenter #6 COG is correct. Fiscal brinksmanship is the name of the game in Philly/PA politics. As for 'grassroots book sharing' in Philly (from a comment on a previous post about this topic), Ben Franklin started the first lending library in Philadelphia. Philadelphia still has some private libraries that are free & open to the public and community at large if you go look for them. (Franklin's original one is called the Library Company and is located on Locust St in Philly and still operates. Also there is one in Germantown affiliated with a private school but open to the community w/a great children's reading room.) Commenter #6 COG is correct. Fiscal brinksmanship is the name of the game in Philly/PA politics.

As for ‘grassroots book sharing’ in Philly (from a comment on a previous post about this topic), Ben Franklin started the first lending library in Philadelphia. Philadelphia still has some private libraries that are free & open to the public and community at large if you go look for them. (Franklin’s original one is called the Library Company and is located on Locust St in Philly and still operates. Also there is one in Germantown affiliated with a private school but open to the community w/a great children’s reading room.)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593784 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593784 As part of the deal, cultural performances and venues will be taxed. Most of these organizations are already facing severe budget shortfalls due to their reliance on charitable giving, memberships, shrinking endowments, and dwindling public funds. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/59906047.html As part of the deal, cultural performances and venues will be taxed. Most of these organizations are already facing severe budget shortfalls due to their reliance on charitable giving, memberships, shrinking endowments, and dwindling public funds.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/59906047.html

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-600697 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-600697 I am 61yr.F & retired due to disability. I happen to LOVE reading w/a vengence. In my last lifetime, in another city, I bought bks for a large urban lib. system, btw. Working for a Library never diminished my love of bks & research. It only expanded my awareness of what was "out there". I moved to Philadelphia, recently. I love this beautiful city and it's people. The public lib. branch in Germantown is a gem and I was just learning to enjoy it! I could not believe the excellent service and maintenance of Lib. I reserved 5 popular bks, some best-sellers and within 2 days all 5 bks were at my lib. to be picked up. That is amazing service! When this lib. was threatened, this old lady's heart was broken. I can't afford all the bks I want to read, many of them are not avail at stores like Borders. As I mentioned, I also enjoy researching esoteric/acad. areas at times. My library's closure would have been a real damper on quality of life! Thank you to all those who listend & worked to save the Library! How brutal for people to make nasty comments on such a positive group effort, that succeeded, in keeping this gift available. I am 61yr.F & retired due to disability. I happen to LOVE reading w/a vengence. In my last lifetime, in another city, I bought bks for a large urban lib. system, btw. Working for a Library never diminished my love of bks & research. It only expanded my awareness of what was “out there”.

I moved to Philadelphia, recently. I love this beautiful city and it’s people. The public lib. branch in Germantown is a gem and I was just learning to enjoy it! I could not believe the excellent service and maintenance of Lib. I reserved 5 popular bks, some best-sellers and within 2 days all 5 bks were at my lib. to be picked up. That is amazing service! When this lib. was threatened, this old lady’s heart was broken. I can’t afford all the bks I want to read, many of them are not avail at stores like Borders. As I mentioned, I also enjoy researching esoteric/acad. areas at times. My library’s closure would have been a real damper on quality of life!

Thank you to all those who listend & worked to save the Library! How brutal for people to make nasty comments on such a positive group effort, that succeeded, in keeping this gift available.

]]> By: aj http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593545 aj Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593545 Well, there's a big shocker. Also, the Washington Monument has never actually closed, despite repeated threats by the Park Service to close it whenever budgets were tight. Well, there’s a big shocker.

Also, the Washington Monument has never actually closed, despite repeated threats by the Park Service to close it whenever budgets were tight.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593842 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593842 Sign of the times... sadly the 'saving' has nothing to do with letter writing and all to do with politics and brinkmanship. No pat on the back awarded here. Sign of the times… sadly the ‘saving’ has nothing to do with letter writing and all to do with politics and brinkmanship. No pat on the back awarded here.

]]> By: phillylibrarian http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593600 phillylibrarian Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593600 As grateful as we all are that the Free Library was saved from (temporary) closure, it was less about letter writing and more about cynical power plays in the state legislature. To review: rural Republicans in the legislature were holding up a 1% sales tax increase for Philly that the city needed to maintain not just the libraries, but the parks district, weekly trash collection, the city planning commission, swimming pools, and many other municipal services. They were playing games with our city in hopes of overhauling the state pension system. At the 11th hour, they finally got a deal done, granting us the sales tax increase, plus surprises like concessions to the state's casinos and a "culture tax" on museum and concert tickets. See http://www.philly.com/philly/news/59906052.html for details. It's been incredibly gratifying to see how much Philadelphia and the rest of the world values our libraries, but sadly they're a small part of a bigger uglier story. As grateful as we all are that the Free Library was saved from (temporary) closure, it was less about letter writing and more about cynical power plays in the state legislature.

To review: rural Republicans in the legislature were holding up a 1% sales tax increase for Philly that the city needed to maintain not just the libraries, but the parks district, weekly trash collection, the city planning commission, swimming pools, and many other municipal services. They were playing games with our city in hopes of overhauling the state pension system.

At the 11th hour, they finally got a deal done, granting us the sales tax increase, plus surprises like concessions to the state’s casinos and a “culture tax” on museum and concert tickets.

See http://www.philly.com/philly/news/59906052.html for details.

It’s been incredibly gratifying to see how much Philadelphia and the rest of the world values our libraries, but sadly they’re a small part of a bigger uglier story.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593634 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593634 So why didn't the city raise property taxes to cover city services - why should the rural inhabitants who are not getting their trash collected be paying for the urbanites? A sales increase is a sneaky way to pass the cost over to those who aren't using a service. Glad that the libraries are safe, but that is not a nice way to cover city expenses. So why didn’t the city raise property taxes to cover city services – why should the rural inhabitants who are not getting their trash collected be paying for the urbanites? A sales increase is a sneaky way to pass the cost over to those who aren’t using a service. Glad that the libraries are safe, but that is not a nice way to cover city expenses.

]]> By: sleze http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593645 sleze Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593645 "A massive letter-writing and email campaign has saved Philadelphia's Free Library System from closure, just days before it was scheduled to shut forever:" That is kind of misleading. It was a BUNCH of projects that were facing closure. Again - Philadelphia isn't anti-library and the State Senate didn't grant money to magically save ONLY the library. This story is about a city budget and the libraries are barely part of it. “A massive letter-writing and email campaign has saved Philadelphia’s Free Library System from closure, just days before it was scheduled to shut forever:”

That is kind of misleading. It was a BUNCH of projects that were facing closure. Again – Philadelphia isn’t anti-library and the State Senate didn’t grant money to magically save ONLY the library.

This story is about a city budget and the libraries are barely part of it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-594672 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594672 Yes, the libraries remain open. Things did not get worse. But let's remember that things already suck in the Free Library system. They've lost a massive amount of staff already; there were layoffs in the last round of "oh my god, they're going to close some branches" frenzy, which layoffs were promptly forgotten after the branches were "saved". It seems to me that Mayor Nutter is cynically using the library system as a hostage, in order to stir up the public to press the state for more money for the city. But when the state does relent, Nutter still deprives the library system of staff. Libraries are more than just keeping the doors open. They are the staffers who can help people find the materials that they need. So great, the libraries remain open. For the people who work there, it sucks. And patrons get shortchanged. Yes, the libraries remain open. Things did not get worse. But let’s remember that things already suck in the Free Library system. They’ve lost a massive amount of staff already; there were layoffs in the last round of “oh my god, they’re going to close some branches” frenzy, which layoffs were promptly forgotten after the branches were “saved”.

It seems to me that Mayor Nutter is cynically using the library system as a hostage, in order to stir up the public to press the state for more money for the city. But when the state does relent, Nutter still deprives the library system of staff.

Libraries are more than just keeping the doors open. They are the staffers who can help people find the materials that they need. So great, the libraries remain open. For the people who work there, it sucks. And patrons get shortchanged.

]]> By: Uniquack http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-593653 Uniquack Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-593653 Really, unless they were taking a stand against the concessions involved in making this bill go through, as noted above, I have to wonder about the 17 who voted against this... Really, unless they were taking a stand against the concessions involved in making this bill go through, as noted above, I have to wonder about the 17 who voted against this…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/21/philadelphia-free-li-1.html#comment-602101 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-602101 Whenever Philadelphia needs money it threatens to close down services that will garner the most pity: libraries, police, fire, etc, when in reality they need not close any of them down... but it makes the state look bad if it happens. Philly uses their threats against the state as blackmail. Whenever Philadelphia needs money it threatens to close down services that will garner the most pity: libraries, police, fire, etc, when in reality they need not close any of them down… but it makes the state look bad if it happens.

Philly uses their threats against the state as blackmail.

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