Comments on: France adopts law that lets entertainment goons take your family off the net if one member is accused (without evidence) of violating copyright http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 23 May 2013 04:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Rotwang http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594688 Rotwang Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594688 RIAA: "L'etat, c'est moi." RIAA: “L’etat, c’est moi.”

]]> By: arkizzle / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594961 arkizzle / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594961 Angusm Then the amateur data-sniffers of the world will just have to find actual evidence of copyright infringment and accuse them for real. Angusm

Then the amateur data-sniffers of the world will just have to find actual evidence of copyright infringment and accuse them for real.

]]> By: Chundermutton http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594966 Chundermutton Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594966 On vous aura prevenu. On vous aura prevenu.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594716 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594716 Easy: 1) create a fair use Sarcozy parody video with a license that it's free to view/use by anyone except Sarcozy and anyone in government. 2) Simmer on the net for a week or two, then 3a) send a takedown to Sarcozy for viewing the video and have him kicked off the net. 3b)Have the whole government kicked off the net, on the basis that the parody must have been viewedd by at least some people in government due to the nature of the video. 4) ??? 5) profit!!! Easy:

1) create a fair use Sarcozy parody video with a license that it’s free to view/use by anyone except Sarcozy and anyone in government.

2) Simmer on the net for a week or two, then

3a) send a takedown to Sarcozy for viewing the video and have him kicked off the net.

3b)Have the whole government kicked off the net, on the basis that the parody must have been viewedd by at least some people in government due to the nature of the video.

4) ???

5) profit!!!

]]> By: Andrew Ferguson http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594719 Andrew Ferguson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594719 Step 1. Wait for law to pass Step 2. Anonymously accuse everyone who voted for the bill of piracy & watch their internet get shut off Step 3. Profit? Step 1. Wait for law to pass
Step 2. Anonymously accuse everyone who voted for the bill of piracy & watch their internet get shut off
Step 3. Profit?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594979 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594979 So under this fLaw Lilly Allen would be disconnected for her recent unattributed copy and paste pro copyright blog post. I wonder how she feels about being a pirate. So under this fLaw Lilly Allen would be disconnected for her recent unattributed copy and paste pro copyright blog post.

I wonder how she feels about being a pirate.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594988 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594988 I think a good way to deal with this is for everyone to quickly learn how to crack WEP (I personally don't know about WPA but if possible learn that as well) and start downloading MASSIVE files on as many different wireless networks as you possibly could. Literally shutting the system down, there would be no way to ignore the obvious hopelessness of this type of law.(anyone here read that book Little Brother by Mr. Doctorow? a similair idea is implemented by the protagonist.) Sure, for a while we would all suffer but in the long run I think it would work out. Oh, and refusing to pay for any media released from the big guys. I don't live in France but I know if this goes through it will be coming my way soon (U.S.) and I don't plan on sitting back, watching my main access to culture be taken away from me. Playing nice and pandering to the bureaucrats is just silly to me. I think a good way to deal with this is for everyone to quickly learn how to crack WEP (I personally don’t know about WPA but if possible learn that as well) and start downloading MASSIVE files on as many different wireless networks as you possibly could. Literally shutting the system down, there would be no way to ignore the obvious hopelessness of this type of law.(anyone here read that book Little Brother by Mr. Doctorow? a similair idea is implemented by the protagonist.) Sure, for a while we would all suffer but in the long run I think it would work out. Oh, and refusing to pay for any media released from the big guys. I don’t live in France but I know if this goes through it will be coming my way soon (U.S.) and I don’t plan on sitting back, watching my main access to culture be taken away from me. Playing nice and pandering to the bureaucrats is just silly to me.

]]> By: DWittSF http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594736 DWittSF Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594736 Sarkozy le Americain sez: "Let them all eat digital cake." Sarkozy le Americain sez: “Let them all eat digital cake.”

]]> By: Baldhead http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594740 Baldhead Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594740 I strongly suspect that the person (or should I say entity) doing the accusing is also and important factor in these laws. Not just anyone can accuse copyright infringement and get this response, is my thinking. even though anyone can have copyrighted works and be infringed upon I think not all accusations will be considered equal. I strongly suspect that the person (or should I say entity) doing the accusing is also and important factor in these laws. Not just anyone can accuse copyright infringement and get this response, is my thinking. even though anyone can have copyrighted works and be infringed upon I think not all accusations will be considered equal.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594804 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594804 Of course the obvious, sensible, response to this law should be for members of the public to seek out copyright infringement on the part of lawmakers, and accuse. I expect that once the effects become understood on them, MPs will become less keen on the law. Of course the obvious, sensible, response to this law should be for members of the public to seek out copyright infringement on the part of lawmakers, and accuse. I expect that once the effects become understood on them, MPs will become less keen on the law.

]]> By: andyhavens http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594805 andyhavens Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594805 quote: "It has already been a long process, after the Members of the European Parliament expressed on three occasions their strong criticisms of the French government's plan." Doesn't that count as three-strikes for the three-strikes law? quote: “It has already been a long process, after the Members of the European Parliament expressed on three occasions their strong criticisms of the French government’s plan.”

Doesn’t that count as three-strikes for the three-strikes law?

]]> By: Grozbat http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-595337 Grozbat Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595337 As long as the film industry refuses to enter the market for downloadable films in openly playable formats, why should the informal market be illegal? As long as the film industry refuses to enter the market for downloadable films in openly playable formats, why should the informal market be illegal?

]]> By: andreinla http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594838 andreinla Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594838 What we are seeing is business organizations twisting the law to protect their (perceived) interests. I think the people paying for the laws truly believe that filesharing is a criminal act threatening their livelihoods, and are acting vigorously and proactively. Which makes me realize that "we, the people," act re-actively, defensively in the face of laws that eat away on our rights. We ought to be lobbying for laws establishing net neutrality and making it illegal for anybody to interfere with the data we are paying for. This legislation makes it extremely easy to threaten, control and ultimately oppress internet users who do not comply with X. We speak about governments in Iran, China etc. controlling and censoring the internet, while approving of laws that allow ultimate censorship, with surgical precision. It is our responsibility to pay attention to the laws that define our freedom and put conscious effort in protecting our interests. Being on the defensive does not serve us. We owe it to ourselves and our children to press for ever increasing set of rights, as this would be the only way to strike a balance with a force that constantly tries to take them away. What we are seeing is business organizations twisting the law to protect their (perceived) interests. I think the people paying for the laws truly believe that filesharing is a criminal act threatening their livelihoods, and are acting vigorously and proactively.

Which makes me realize that “we, the people,” act re-actively, defensively in the face of laws that eat away on our rights.

We ought to be lobbying for laws establishing net neutrality and making it illegal for anybody to interfere with the data we are paying for.

This legislation makes it extremely easy to threaten, control and ultimately oppress internet users who do not comply with X. We speak about governments in Iran, China etc. controlling and censoring the internet, while approving of laws that allow ultimate censorship, with surgical precision.

It is our responsibility to pay attention to the laws that define our freedom and put conscious effort in protecting our interests. Being on the defensive does not serve us. We owe it to ourselves and our children to press for ever increasing set of rights, as this would be the only way to strike a balance with a force that constantly tries to take them away.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594850 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594850 Yes, yes, let as many people (or French people, if necessary) continually accuse those in power, especially those who voted for the law, of infringement. Even if individual protests are ignored, the overwhelming number becomes a de-facto denial of service campaign. Yes, yes, let as many people (or French people, if necessary) continually accuse those in power, especially those who voted for the law, of infringement. Even if individual protests are ignored, the overwhelming number becomes a de-facto denial of service campaign.

]]> By: zorpedo http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594857 zorpedo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594857 It's time everyone became involved in this, in a very simple and easy to do way. Stop giving these people people money! Stop buying music, movies, ringtones etc... I don't think it's the content creators so much as the content controllers, but this is the only thing they will ever listen to. When people stop paying them, they will either go under or wake up. I don't think it would even take very long for this to make an impact. I haven't bought music or movies and don't go to theaters or concerts, in the past two years. I'm just sick of the greed. Most of what has been produced in the last two years is not worth buying anyway. I also don't steal or share. I enjoy the things I already have and can wait until greedy corporations decide to treat us like humans again. It’s time everyone became involved in this, in a very simple and easy to do way. Stop giving these people people money! Stop buying music, movies, ringtones etc…

I don’t think it’s the content creators so much as the content controllers, but this is the only thing they will ever listen to. When people stop paying them, they will either go under or wake up.

I don’t think it would even take very long for this to make an impact. I haven’t bought music or movies and don’t go to theaters or concerts, in the past two years. I’m just sick of the greed. Most of what has been produced in the last two years is not worth buying anyway.

I also don’t steal or share. I enjoy the things I already have and can wait until greedy corporations decide to treat us like humans again.

]]> By: OrcOnTheEndOfMyFork http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594875 OrcOnTheEndOfMyFork Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594875 It's win-win for RIAA (and its international incarnations). Either: A) People grudgingly accept the three strikes law and the RIAA slowly dismantles the Internet at its leisure. or B) Civil disobedience and a flood of false accusations which paralyzes the Internet, the judicial system, etc. until no one has access. Their objective with HADOPI is to destroy the Internet in France, and let the French foot the bill for its implosion. They can't lose. It’s win-win for RIAA (and its international incarnations).

Either:

A) People grudgingly accept the three strikes law and the RIAA slowly dismantles the Internet at its leisure.

or

B) Civil disobedience and a flood of false accusations which paralyzes the Internet, the judicial system, etc. until no one has access.

Their objective with HADOPI is to destroy the Internet in France, and let the French foot the bill for its implosion. They can’t lose.

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-595136 Cowicide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595136 If a bureaucrat's wifi gets compromised and someone pirates music with said bureaucrat's internet connection -- will the bureaucrat lose access to the internet? Just wondering. >:-> If a bureaucrat’s wifi gets compromised and someone pirates music with said bureaucrat’s internet connection — will the bureaucrat lose access to the internet? Just wondering.

>:->

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594888 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594888 Stupid laws are like stars. Sometimes they're just stupid enough so that they fold in on themselves and poof. But every once in a while, you get these laws that are so gloriously, excruciatingly stupid, that when they finally do go nova, their collapse sends shockwaves all across this series of tubes we call the internet. France! I'm missing my percussion! Bring it to me! Stupid laws are like stars.

Sometimes they’re just stupid enough so that they fold in on themselves and poof.

But every once in a while, you get these laws that are so gloriously, excruciatingly stupid, that when they finally do go nova, their collapse sends shockwaves all across this series of tubes we call the internet.

France! I’m missing my percussion! Bring it to me!

]]> By: Itsumishi http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-595180 Itsumishi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595180 Now watch Governments all around the world use this as an example of how the French have successfully fought digital piracy without any ill consequences. People of France, please do everything in your power to make this law fail and fail dramatically. It is the only way other nations will not start adopting it left right and centre. Now watch Governments all around the world use this as an example of how the French have successfully fought digital piracy without any ill consequences.

People of France, please do everything in your power to make this law fail and fail dramatically. It is the only way other nations will not start adopting it left right and centre.

]]> By: angusm http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594928 angusm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594928 All the people who are recommending making false accusations of piracy (as a tactic to demonstrate the stupidity/injustice of the law) are missing the point. @baldhead (#5) has it right. Accusations of piracy from large corporations will be accepted; accusations of piracy from individuals will be ignored. All the people who are recommending making false accusations of piracy (as a tactic to demonstrate the stupidity/injustice of the law) are missing the point.

@baldhead (#5) has it right. Accusations of piracy from large corporations will be accepted; accusations of piracy from individuals will be ignored.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594932 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594932 Pour qui ces ignobles entraves, ces fers dès longtemps préparés? Pour qui ces ignobles entraves, ces fers dès longtemps préparés?

]]> By: andreinla http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/france-adopts-law-th.html#comment-594933 andreinla Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594933 Oh, and let's not fool ourselves, if upheld, the law is coming to the rest of the countries, fast. Oh, and let’s not fool ourselves, if upheld, the law is coming to the rest of the countries, fast.

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