Comments on: The Boing Boing / Insane Clown Posse / Juggalo Singularity http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 21 May 2013 22:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: ianm http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594950 ianm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594950 Antinuous: wow, clever, sardonic, useless(i.e. par for the course). I am quite fine with scrolling past all the useless, boring, uninteresting or otherwise posts - shit happens - but when such invidious content is put forth as worthwhile or interesting, a line needs to be drawn and protest raised. The ICP are shit, their so-called musical creations are shit, and they ought to be far, far beneath any audience or editor of boingboing. Drawing attention to them as simply 'another cultural' artifact degrades us all and I'd really rather it stopped on BB. Not all things are equal, and somethings are downright objectionable. Antinuous: wow, clever, sardonic, useless(i.e. par for the course).

I am quite fine with scrolling past all the useless, boring, uninteresting or otherwise posts – shit happens – but when such invidious content is put forth as worthwhile or interesting, a line needs to be drawn and protest raised. The ICP are shit, their so-called musical creations are shit, and they ought to be far, far beneath any audience or editor of boingboing. Drawing attention to them as simply ‘another cultural’ artifact degrades us all and I’d really rather it stopped on BB. Not all things are equal, and somethings are downright objectionable.

]]> By: Jason Rizos http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594956 Jason Rizos Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594956 Critical Juggalo primer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNe11E_KiAk&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V-4jbto2C8&feature=player_embedded http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Baby_in_the_cooler.jpg and then: 1 hour, 35 minutes into this: http://wfmu.org/flashplayer.php?version=2&show=32311&archive=54334 Critical Juggalo primer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNe11E_KiAk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V-4jbto2C8&feature=player_embedded

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Baby_in_the_cooler.jpg

and then:

1 hour, 35 minutes into this:

http://wfmu.org/flashplayer.php?version=2&show=32311&archive=54334

]]> By: Billy Blight http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594957 Billy Blight Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594957 The Juggalos are powerful agents of "Bob". It would be best not to taunt them. The Juggalos are powerful agents of “Bob”.

It would be best not to taunt them.

]]> By: Reverend Trevor http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594959 Reverend Trevor Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594959 Ok, Hello,I'm Trevor, long time reader(I have issue 3) and first time poster. First, let me out myself. I'm 40,and I like ICP. I'm also a father of a 3-year old,have a BA from a private school,and work in marketing.I became an ICP fan because they were the first rap group to name check ECW and rpgs. I agree, some of ICP's fans are stupid,arrogant fat slobs. I defy you to find any artists who doesn't have some who are. Yes,I have met stupid Lou Reed fans. They're called the staff of Pitchfork.(j/k) I stopped going to shows because of sucky music, but the new disc is the first in years with Mike E Clark, a guy who has both mainstream(George Clinton's Atomic dog) and indie cred(Von Bondies, Demolition Doll Rods).So musically this is the first disc in years you can't mess with. And as far as fat asshole fanbase, I saw more of that at Warped Tour this year. If you think ICP are the end of music, you haven't seen 3OH3 or Millionaires. I don't think I'll convince the haters. ICP are a either you get it or don't thing. They are one of the best live rap acts I've ever seen. They try to tell their fans that even if they're screwups, its still ok. And they hate the rich and bigots. How is that bad? Yeah, I'll cop to the misogyny of some of the songs,but that's a problem with rap in general. And "I found a body" is the best lonely rap song in a decade. I think I'm ranting, but it's time to stop now, I have to cook dinner for my daughter. Ok, Hello,I’m Trevor, long time reader(I have issue 3) and first time poster.
First, let me out myself. I’m 40,and I like ICP. I’m also a father of a 3-year old,have a BA from a private school,and work in marketing.I became an ICP fan because they were the first rap group to name check ECW and rpgs.
I agree, some of ICP’s fans are stupid,arrogant fat slobs. I defy you to find any artists who doesn’t have some who are. Yes,I have met stupid Lou Reed fans. They’re called the staff of Pitchfork.(j/k)
I stopped going to shows because of sucky music, but the new disc is the first in years with Mike E Clark, a guy who has both mainstream(George Clinton’s Atomic dog) and indie cred(Von Bondies, Demolition Doll Rods).So musically this is the first disc in years you can’t mess with.
And as far as fat asshole fanbase, I saw more of that at Warped Tour this year. If you think ICP are the end of music, you haven’t seen 3OH3 or Millionaires.
I don’t think I’ll convince the haters. ICP are a either you get it or don’t thing. They are one of the best live rap acts I’ve ever seen. They try to tell their fans that even if they’re screwups, its still ok. And they hate the rich and bigots. How is that bad? Yeah, I’ll cop to the misogyny of some of the songs,but that’s a problem with rap in general. And “I found a body” is the best lonely rap song in a decade. I think I’m ranting, but it’s time to stop now, I have to cook dinner for my daughter.

]]> By: siliconsunset http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594705 siliconsunset Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594705 Oh and you thought the Juggalo discussions were catty before... Oh and you thought the Juggalo discussions were catty before…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594962 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594962 "Not all things are equal, and somethings are downright objectionable." I feel the same way about steampunk and "clever" covers of songs on ukuleles. But I find it just as easy to quickly scan the headline, then ignore the article, rather than droning on about how much it sucks. “Not all things are equal, and somethings are downright objectionable.”

I feel the same way about steampunk and “clever” covers of songs on ukuleles. But I find it just as easy to quickly scan the headline, then ignore the article, rather than droning on about how much it sucks.

]]> By: GHM327 http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594712 GHM327 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594712 fuck the clown shoes and fuck you xeni for giving them press, boing boing has never sunk so low before! fuck the clown shoes and fuck you xeni for giving them press, boing boing has never sunk so low before!

]]> By: ReverendFaux http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594714 ReverendFaux Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594714 I think this video summed up Juggalos pretty well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCwKh84btwQ I think this video summed up Juggalos pretty well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCwKh84btwQ

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594971 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594971 ianm, If you don't like it, go away. ianm,

If you don’t like it, go away.

]]> By: Rob Beschizza http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594717 Rob Beschizza Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594717 I think we have to announce an early victor in this comment thread. I think we have to announce an early victor in this comment thread.

]]> By: Xeni Jardin http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594721 Xeni Jardin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594721 You're welcome, GHM327! You’re welcome, GHM327!

]]> By: KanedaJones http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594984 KanedaJones Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594984 I never see swearing on boing boing anywhere near as much as when the boingers come out to pour a pot of flaming oil all over the ICP thang. and also of interest is the amazing amount of people who mostly lurk around here deciding to chime in with the hate, where as many (but not all) proper frequently posting locals can keep their cool on this. When the band's music comes from being hated and ignored then: a) what caliber of person did you expect to listen. and b) thank you for proving their point. I never see swearing on boing boing anywhere near as much as when the boingers come out to pour a pot of flaming oil all over the ICP thang.

and also of interest is the amazing amount of people who mostly lurk around here deciding to chime in with the hate, where as many (but not all) proper frequently posting locals can keep their cool on this.

When the band’s music comes from being hated and ignored then:

a) what caliber of person did you expect to listen.

and

b) thank you for proving their point.

]]> By: Baldhead http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594729 Baldhead Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594729 how was this discovered? it would require actually looking at the CD for more than a passing second wouldn't it? how was this discovered? it would require actually looking at the CD for more than a passing second wouldn’t it?

]]> By: zanbowser http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594730 zanbowser Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594730 Ugh... while I don't usually have a difficult time being a total bastard, the fact that these rejects have pretty-well galvanized such a massive community of other rejects is undeniably impressive. It's like some weird, foul religion (that is, based on my interactions with some "Juggalo" [Juggalo-s? Juggal-i?]). It reminds me of other such things with cultish followings, liberally sprinkled with jerks, rednecks, spazzes, and mouthbreathers: wrestling, NASCAR, Scientology. It really seems the dumbest crap to me, but it's like furries or moe or anything else, really: if it's really not your thing, it may yet be someone else's. Good for them for having a community where their participants can feel "normal." And - shit on them for having a song title analogous to a site with significantly more awesome than they (now, or will ever) possess. I also have to say that I'm curious of the legality here; could the Boingers sue on grounds of trademark, or is it in a "sufficiently different vein" as to render that moot? Ugh… while I don’t usually have a difficult time being a total bastard, the fact that these rejects have pretty-well galvanized such a massive community of other rejects is undeniably impressive. It’s like some weird, foul religion (that is, based on my interactions with some “Juggalo” [Juggalo-s? Juggal-i?]). It reminds me of other such things with cultish followings, liberally sprinkled with jerks, rednecks, spazzes, and mouthbreathers: wrestling, NASCAR, Scientology.

It really seems the dumbest crap to me, but it’s like furries or moe or anything else, really: if it’s really not your thing, it may yet be someone else’s. Good for them for having a community where their participants can feel “normal.”

And – shit on them for having a song title analogous to a site with significantly more awesome than they (now, or will ever) possess.

I also have to say that I’m curious of the legality here; could the Boingers sue on grounds of trademark, or is it in a “sufficiently different vein” as to render that moot?

]]> By: dculberson http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594734 dculberson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594734 I think my life's motto sums it up: Always on the decline, never hitting bottom. I think my life’s motto sums it up:

Always on the decline, never hitting bottom.

]]> By: ROSSINDETROIT http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-595248 ROSSINDETROIT Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595248 I'm 50 and I own an ICP CD. I heard that Hollywood records had dropped them for being too profane. That sounded bogus so I bought a copy in support. never opened it, though. I’m 50 and I own an ICP CD. I heard that Hollywood records had dropped them for being too profane. That sounded bogus so I bought a copy in support. never opened it, though.

]]> By: dancentury http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594995 dancentury Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594995 I'm beginning to think Xeni is a closet Juggalo. I’m beginning to think Xeni is a closet Juggalo.

]]> By: ROSSINDETROIT http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-595251 ROSSINDETROIT Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595251 And Pavement will tour in 2010. Now yer talkin' And Pavement will tour in 2010. Now yer talkin’

]]> By: dragonfrog http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594742 dragonfrog Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594742 Can you say "brag rap track" five times quickly? I can't even say it once. Can you say “brag rap track” five times quickly? I can’t even say it once.

]]> By: Thac0 http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594750 Thac0 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594750 ICP and their hillbilly cult can go shove their stupid clown shoes and heroine up their ass somewhere else. ICP and their hillbilly cult can go shove their stupid clown shoes and heroine up their ass somewhere else.

]]> By: Mortimer Shrew http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-595010 Mortimer Shrew Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595010 As a Juggalo, I will first say that I will not be represented by every other Juggalo in the world. Generalizing all people in a certain group leads to widespread fear and hate. Not all Juggalos are ignorant, 'redneck' types. I will not write an essay on this subject because I have gotten into far too many arguments about this same subject. I will simply say that I like ICP, I like their anti-bigotry, anti-wife beating, anti-hate lyrics (I know people will immediately site other lyrics, but we pick and choose what we want to hear, what we take to heart, and what we take for entertainment). If you can take watching a seriously disturbing horror movie with a grain of salt, you can take the ICP. Don't let the people with the loudest voices influence you the most. Take it from me, please. As a Juggalo, I will first say that I will not be represented by every other Juggalo in the world. Generalizing all people in a certain group leads to widespread fear and hate. Not all Juggalos are ignorant, ‘redneck’ types. I will not write an essay on this subject because I have gotten into far too many arguments about this same subject. I will simply say that I like ICP, I like their anti-bigotry, anti-wife beating, anti-hate lyrics (I know people will immediately site other lyrics, but we pick and choose what we want to hear, what we take to heart, and what we take for entertainment). If you can take watching a seriously disturbing horror movie with a grain of salt, you can take the ICP. Don’t let the people with the loudest voices influence you the most. Take it from me, please.

]]> By: buddy66 http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594764 buddy66 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594764 #7, Maybe Gerald McBoing Boing could sue Boing Boing. That's what I first thought when BB first jittered into view. It's a very funny cartoon; won an Oscar back in the day. #7, Maybe Gerald McBoing Boing could sue Boing Boing. That’s what I first thought when BB first jittered into view. It’s a very funny cartoon; won an Oscar back in the day.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594769 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594769 yeah wow, boing boing is now a trough of freemasonry apologists and juggalo fans yeah wow, boing boing is now a trough of freemasonry apologists and juggalo fans

]]> By: buddy66 http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-594777 buddy66 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-594777 #10, Who's their "heroine"? Xeni? #10, Who’s their “heroine”? Xeni?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-595034 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595034 IANM, You seem to be projecting your personal problems (roommate with poor boundaries) onto a correlated issue (ICP and their music) Harmless enough, but if this is a common problem in your life, you are prejudicial, which may cause you some problems. IANM,

You seem to be projecting your personal problems (roommate with poor boundaries) onto a correlated issue (ICP and their music)

Harmless enough, but if this is a common problem in your life, you are prejudicial, which may cause you some problems.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-595035 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595035 http://xkcd.com/386/ http://xkcd.com/386/

]]> By: dculberson http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-595038 dculberson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595038 Jeez, Ianm.. chill the hell out. Jeez, Ianm.. chill the hell out.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-595046 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595046 Damn kids. Get off my lawn, etc. I personally dislike the Juggalos, with their pointless makeup and offensive language. Then I remember that I was Marilyn Manson's biggest fan in junior high. It's safe to say I have no room to judge. C'mon, surely all of you have had a favorite band that made others recoil? (Shout-out to all the Spooky Kids in the house, if any.) Damn kids. Get off my lawn, etc.

I personally dislike the Juggalos, with their pointless makeup and offensive language. Then I remember that I was Marilyn Manson’s biggest fan in junior high. It’s safe to say I have no room to judge.

C’mon, surely all of you have had a favorite band that made others recoil?

(Shout-out to all the Spooky Kids in the house, if any.)

]]> By: Daemon http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-595049 Daemon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-595049 Under the 1000 Monkeys theory, eventually ICP will produce something worth listening to. Under the 1000 Monkeys theory, eventually ICP will produce something worth listening to.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/09/22/the-boing-boing-insa.html#comment-598122 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-598122 that's a banging track...itunes here i come! that’s a banging track…itunes here i come!

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