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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-614146</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Think about it: (rhetorical question) you&#039;ve seen cars driving 15 mph, or even 5 mph right? Did you hit them? Why not? You slow down and pass when safe. Apply that same obvious rule to bicycles.&quot;


Well, actually, no... distressingly often, I am almost rear-ended in such a situation, and have been actually hit three times! In the city (where I&#039;ve been hit two out of the three times) it&#039;s not nearly as bad as on the highway; the third time it was a Jetta coupe (tiny encono-box, perhaps 2000 pounds?) that ran into the Avalon I was in (4000 pound 4-door), and had the situation been reversed, I probably would not be around to post this today...



Now, *I* am watching out for you folks on bikes, but please remember, many other drivers *are not*; so please help by trying to avoid creating situations that they aren&#039;t expecting!


bwcbwc - I agree completely, in my car I outmass the average bike by a factor of 25, and cruse about 20 to 25 mph faster than them on a highway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Think about it: (rhetorical question) you&#8217;ve seen cars driving 15 mph, or even 5 mph right? Did you hit them? Why not? You slow down and pass when safe. Apply that same obvious rule to bicycles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, actually, no&#8230; distressingly often, I am almost rear-ended in such a situation, and have been actually hit three times! In the city (where I&#8217;ve been hit two out of the three times) it&#8217;s not nearly as bad as on the highway; the third time it was a Jetta coupe (tiny encono-box, perhaps 2000 pounds?) that ran into the Avalon I was in (4000 pound 4-door), and had the situation been reversed, I probably would not be around to post this today&#8230;</p>
<p>Now, *I* am watching out for you folks on bikes, but please remember, many other drivers *are not*; so please help by trying to avoid creating situations that they aren&#8217;t expecting!</p>
<p>bwcbwc &#8211; I agree completely, in my car I outmass the average bike by a factor of 25, and cruse about 20 to 25 mph faster than them on a highway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: johnocomedy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613379</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny and ironic that his license plate contains the letters &quot;F U&quot; </description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613131</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to downplay the seriousness of hit-and-run drivers, but I can think of a few things more cowardly, and many things more vile. Shooting someone and going to the toilet in their helmet, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to downplay the seriousness of hit-and-run drivers, but I can think of a few things more cowardly, and many things more vile. Shooting someone and going to the toilet in their helmet, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Roast Beef</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613390</link>
		<dc:creator>Roast Beef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logging in after about a billion years to discuss a subject that is near to my heart (and other parts of my body, 7 days a week).  I was hit this past July and have huge empathy for netnik--may you heal swiftly and be back on the bike immediately if not sooner.  Sorry for the novel-length comment, but I have a lot of thoughts on this topic.

First, I have to say I am pleased that I only see one victim-blaming comment.  (Boing Boing is better than the NY Times!  Who knew?)  Sorry, Lonin, I know you said you &quot;weren&#039;t trying to&quot; blame the victim, but that&#039;s exactly what you did.  I choose to believe you speak out of the modal bias mentioned by Lupin--i.e., you don&#039;t ride a bike, therefore you have no subjective understanding of what bike-riding entails.  Most of the motorists I encounter every day are in your shoes.  I think it would be a fine thing for all road users--bikes, cars, peds--to consider each other a little more, use our imaginations, turn on our compassion, maybe do a little &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bicycledefensefund.org/bikelaw.html&quot;&gt;research&lt;/a&gt;, so that we don&#039;t end up hating each other to death.  As I see it, we&#039;re all out here together; there is no &quot;them&quot;.

Michael Smith&#039;s proposal for a bike license has crossed my mind before.  I still feel that the best way to prevent cyclist casualties is *motorist* education.  Protecting bikers by lecturing them about road safety reminds me of protecting college freshwomen from rape by lecturing them about not drinking or going out at night.  In both cases, the lecture would be better aimed at the potential *perpetrators* of violence, rather than always at the potential victims.  Which is not to say that bikers shouldn&#039;t do their utmost to &lt;a href=&quot;http://bicyclesafe.com/&quot;&gt;protect themselves&lt;/a&gt;.

I also have a few thoughts about bike lanes.  Most of the bike lanes I ride in are nothing more than a pleasant fiction.  The happy paint on the road does not protect me from renegade motor vehicles, and in my experience motorists drift into these lanes alarmingly often.  Also, many motorists seem to conceptualize the bike lane as an official double-parking lane, causing me to have to redirect into the car lane to pass their parked vehicle.  My preference is for this organization: bike lane, THEN parking lane, and then car lane, as seen on 8th and 9th Avenues in Chelsea, NYC.  Bikers are still not completely safe from negligent drivers (the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ghostbikes.org/new-york-city/eric-ng&quot;&gt;Ghost&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ghostbikes.org/new-york-city/dr.-carl-henry-nacht&quot;&gt;Bikes&lt;/a&gt; on the freakin&#039; West Side Bike Path testify to that) but a little buffer zone is of the good.   

On sharrows: I was hit in one (on Boreum at Joralemon, ftr) and find them nerve-wracking.  Yes yes yes to shared lanes asking everybody to pay more attention, but a. that doesn&#039;t always happen and b. the aforementioned hostility that many motorists have for cyclists makes the shared lane feel like swimming in a shark tank.  PNH, I am interested to hear why you prefer sharrows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logging in after about a billion years to discuss a subject that is near to my heart (and other parts of my body, 7 days a week).  I was hit this past July and have huge empathy for netnik&#8211;may you heal swiftly and be back on the bike immediately if not sooner.  Sorry for the novel-length comment, but I have a lot of thoughts on this topic.</p>
<p>First, I have to say I am pleased that I only see one victim-blaming comment.  (Boing Boing is better than the NY Times!  Who knew?)  Sorry, Lonin, I know you said you &#8220;weren&#8217;t trying to&#8221; blame the victim, but that&#8217;s exactly what you did.  I choose to believe you speak out of the modal bias mentioned by Lupin&#8211;i.e., you don&#8217;t ride a bike, therefore you have no subjective understanding of what bike-riding entails.  Most of the motorists I encounter every day are in your shoes.  I think it would be a fine thing for all road users&#8211;bikes, cars, peds&#8211;to consider each other a little more, use our imaginations, turn on our compassion, maybe do a little <a href="http://www.bicycledefensefund.org/bikelaw.html">research</a>, so that we don&#8217;t end up hating each other to death.  As I see it, we&#8217;re all out here together; there is no &#8220;them&#8221;.</p>
<p>Michael Smith&#8217;s proposal for a bike license has crossed my mind before.  I still feel that the best way to prevent cyclist casualties is *motorist* education.  Protecting bikers by lecturing them about road safety reminds me of protecting college freshwomen from rape by lecturing them about not drinking or going out at night.  In both cases, the lecture would be better aimed at the potential *perpetrators* of violence, rather than always at the potential victims.  Which is not to say that bikers shouldn&#8217;t do their utmost to <a href="http://bicyclesafe.com/">protect themselves</a>.</p>
<p>I also have a few thoughts about bike lanes.  Most of the bike lanes I ride in are nothing more than a pleasant fiction.  The happy paint on the road does not protect me from renegade motor vehicles, and in my experience motorists drift into these lanes alarmingly often.  Also, many motorists seem to conceptualize the bike lane as an official double-parking lane, causing me to have to redirect into the car lane to pass their parked vehicle.  My preference is for this organization: bike lane, THEN parking lane, and then car lane, as seen on 8th and 9th Avenues in Chelsea, NYC.  Bikers are still not completely safe from negligent drivers (the <a href="http://www.ghostbikes.org/new-york-city/eric-ng">Ghost</a> <a href="http://www.ghostbikes.org/new-york-city/dr.-carl-henry-nacht">Bikes</a> on the freakin&#8217; West Side Bike Path testify to that) but a little buffer zone is of the good.   </p>
<p>On sharrows: I was hit in one (on Boreum at Joralemon, ftr) and find them nerve-wracking.  Yes yes yes to shared lanes asking everybody to pay more attention, but a. that doesn&#8217;t always happen and b. the aforementioned hostility that many motorists have for cyclists makes the shared lane feel like swimming in a shark tank.  PNH, I am interested to hear why you prefer sharrows?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613648</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If anyone wants to post this guy&#039;s details, it would be nice.&lt;/i&gt;

If having your BoingBoing account suspended is your idea of nice. </description>
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<p>If having your BoingBoing account suspended is your idea of nice. </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cycle commuting in Melbourne, Australia I have had a few close calls, and so have other people I work with who ride to work. I am currently off the road because I crashed on a tram line and broke my right humerus.

Lonin: engineering standards in Australia allow for 800mm of door opening space and 250mm lateral clearance between the door and the vehicle. Many doors open to 1100mm and road authorities rarely follow the design standards anyway.

A rule I apply is to do one of the following:

1. In a wide curbside lane (&gt; 4.3m) where space is available leave plenty of clearance to the overtaking vehicles.

2. In a narrow curbside lane move right to reduce the available space. This forces the overtaking vehicles to use the next lane to the right, which gives you more clearance again.

Summary: Never leave barely enough room to pass. Bus drivers and postal drivers are rightly proud of their ability to judge the width of their vehicle.

My opinion: If we are going to improve things on the road we need to train and test our bike riders. Most of them are drivers too, and many of them are pretty bad drivers I reckon. The presence of bike racks on top of a 4WD Subaru gives me the horrors if I see it coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cycle commuting in Melbourne, Australia I have had a few close calls, and so have other people I work with who ride to work. I am currently off the road because I crashed on a tram line and broke my right humerus.</p>
<p>Lonin: engineering standards in Australia allow for 800mm of door opening space and 250mm lateral clearance between the door and the vehicle. Many doors open to 1100mm and road authorities rarely follow the design standards anyway.</p>
<p>A rule I apply is to do one of the following:</p>
<p>1. In a wide curbside lane (> 4.3m) where space is available leave plenty of clearance to the overtaking vehicles.</p>
<p>2. In a narrow curbside lane move right to reduce the available space. This forces the overtaking vehicles to use the next lane to the right, which gives you more clearance again.</p>
<p>Summary: Never leave barely enough room to pass. Bus drivers and postal drivers are rightly proud of their ability to judge the width of their vehicle.</p>
<p>My opinion: If we are going to improve things on the road we need to train and test our bike riders. Most of them are drivers too, and many of them are pretty bad drivers I reckon. The presence of bike racks on top of a 4WD Subaru gives me the horrors if I see it coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-619806</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;PNH, I am interested to hear why you prefer sharrows?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Just a general sense that on streets with sharrows, cars are forced to notice that I exist.  This seems to me safer.

Now, mind you, there are places in NYC where the DOT uses sharrows simply because there isn&#039;t room for a bike lane, even one of the &quot;let&#039;s pretend&quot; painted-on, hard-up-against-parked-cars kind.  Fifth Avenue north of Union Street in Park Slope is one of those.  But given reasonable room for cars and bikes to share--say, for instance, Bay Street in Red Hook--I find that sharrows encourage drivers to be conscious, in ways that painted-on lanes do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;PNH, I am interested to hear why you prefer sharrows?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Just a general sense that on streets with sharrows, cars are forced to notice that I exist.  This seems to me safer.</p>
<p>Now, mind you, there are places in NYC where the DOT uses sharrows simply because there isn&#8217;t room for a bike lane, even one of the &#8220;let&#8217;s pretend&#8221; painted-on, hard-up-against-parked-cars kind.  Fifth Avenue north of Union Street in Park Slope is one of those.  But given reasonable room for cars and bikes to share&#8211;say, for instance, Bay Street in Red Hook&#8211;I find that sharrows encourage drivers to be conscious, in ways that painted-on lanes do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613152</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears to be an iron law of online discussions that if someone reports being victimized, someone else will come along to speculate, based on zero information, that perhaps they did something to deserve it.  Even with its prefatory hedges and caveats, Lonin&#039;s remark is pretty annoying.  If we were discussing a murder, would Lonin jump in to wonder whether the victim hadn&#039;t done something to cause themselves to get murdered?  

That aside, skeletoncityrepeater&#039;s answer is correct.  Painted-on bike lanes that run flush up against parked cars are a bad idea for a number of reasons.  The obvious reason is that unless you ride at the lane&#039;s outermost edge, you run the risk of being &quot;doored&quot;--and one of the not-unlikely consequences of being doored is that you are thrown bodily into oncoming traffic and killed.  But they&#039;re also a bad idea because the existence of unsafe painted-on bike lanes creates in many drivers--Lonin evidently among them--the impression that bicycles are required to confine their travel to the bike lane, even when it&#039;s obviously unsafe to do so, and that if they don&#039;t they&#039;re breaking the law.  

This may be the law in some places, but if so, it&#039;s a crazy law.  It&#039;s certainly not the law in New York City -- bicycles are supposed to use bike lanes when they exist, and keep generally to the right when bike lanes don&#039;t exist, with a specific exception in all cases for situations where common sense and safety say to do otherwise.  

The general principle is that bicycles are vehicular traffic and that provided they follow the rules of vehicular traffic (stop at lights and stop signs; don&#039;t ride on the sidewalk; obey one-ways) they&#039;re entitled to take a lane just as if they&#039;re a car.  Obviously some cyclists don&#039;t obey the rules; but then, many drivers are also scofflaws, and pedestrians jaywalk constantly as well.  Speaking as a mostly law-abiding cyclist who rides daily in Brooklyn and Manhattan, while I&#039;m enthusiastically in favor of the rapid transformation of our cycling environment that&#039;s been happening over the last few years, I find that streets with &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_lane_marking&quot;&gt;sharrows&lt;/a&gt;&quot; are much safer for cars and bikes alike than streets with bike lanes painted on adjacent to the line of parked cars.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears to be an iron law of online discussions that if someone reports being victimized, someone else will come along to speculate, based on zero information, that perhaps they did something to deserve it.  Even with its prefatory hedges and caveats, Lonin&#8217;s remark is pretty annoying.  If we were discussing a murder, would Lonin jump in to wonder whether the victim hadn&#8217;t done something to cause themselves to get murdered?  </p>
<p>That aside, skeletoncityrepeater&#8217;s answer is correct.  Painted-on bike lanes that run flush up against parked cars are a bad idea for a number of reasons.  The obvious reason is that unless you ride at the lane&#8217;s outermost edge, you run the risk of being &#8220;doored&#8221;&#8211;and one of the not-unlikely consequences of being doored is that you are thrown bodily into oncoming traffic and killed.  But they&#8217;re also a bad idea because the existence of unsafe painted-on bike lanes creates in many drivers&#8211;Lonin evidently among them&#8211;the impression that bicycles are required to confine their travel to the bike lane, even when it&#8217;s obviously unsafe to do so, and that if they don&#8217;t they&#8217;re breaking the law.  </p>
<p>This may be the law in some places, but if so, it&#8217;s a crazy law.  It&#8217;s certainly not the law in New York City &#8212; bicycles are supposed to use bike lanes when they exist, and keep generally to the right when bike lanes don&#8217;t exist, with a specific exception in all cases for situations where common sense and safety say to do otherwise.  </p>
<p>The general principle is that bicycles are vehicular traffic and that provided they follow the rules of vehicular traffic (stop at lights and stop signs; don&#8217;t ride on the sidewalk; obey one-ways) they&#8217;re entitled to take a lane just as if they&#8217;re a car.  Obviously some cyclists don&#8217;t obey the rules; but then, many drivers are also scofflaws, and pedestrians jaywalk constantly as well.  Speaking as a mostly law-abiding cyclist who rides daily in Brooklyn and Manhattan, while I&#8217;m enthusiastically in favor of the rapid transformation of our cycling environment that&#8217;s been happening over the last few years, I find that streets with &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_lane_marking">sharrows</a>&#8221; are much safer for cars and bikes alike than streets with bike lanes painted on adjacent to the line of parked cars.  </p>
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		<title>By: cratermoon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason cyclists ride on or near the white line of the bike lane is because all the trash and junk that accumulates. What would normally just be in the gutter where it doesn&#039;t bother anyone ends up in the bike lane. Nails. Broken glass. Sharp bits of metal. All hazardous to bike tires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason cyclists ride on or near the white line of the bike lane is because all the trash and junk that accumulates. What would normally just be in the gutter where it doesn&#8217;t bother anyone ends up in the bike lane. Nails. Broken glass. Sharp bits of metal. All hazardous to bike tires.</p>
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		<title>By: xaxa</title>
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		<dc:creator>xaxa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it was 100% the cyclists fault, that doesn&#039;t excuse the driver from stopping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it was 100% the cyclists fault, that doesn&#8217;t excuse the driver from stopping.</p>
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		<title>By: toxonix</title>
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		<dc:creator>toxonix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to this problem is &quot;The Thumper&quot;:
http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl06-e.htm

With the shoulder stock sawn off, it can be slung nicely under a light jacket. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to this problem is &#8220;The Thumper&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl06-e.htm" rel="nofollow">http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl06-e.htm</a></p>
<p>With the shoulder stock sawn off, it can be slung nicely under a light jacket. </p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
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		<description>@Lonin:

skeletoncityrepeater&#039;s answer is the standard one, and a very important one -- the desire not to get &quot;doored&quot; which is as prevelant here in Boston as it probably is anywhere -- but Michael Smith&#039;s answer is also a good one that most beginner bicyclists don&#039;t know: never be squeezed right up against the curb. If you do, cars will just go straight as if you don&#039;t exist, figuring that they can get by, and if they either misjudge or if a pothole sends you a few extra inches out into the street, you&#039;re going to get clipped.

Rather, always be a foot or so away from the curb. This forces drivers to actually acknowledge you and to physically turn their steering wheel to get around you, even if only a few extra inches, or preferably into the next lane. Bikes need to assert their claim to the space around them or they&#039;re going to get squished.

Note that the above obviously depends on the specifics of the road you&#039;re driving on, as well as the width of any potential bike lane that may or may not exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lonin:</p>
<p>skeletoncityrepeater&#8217;s answer is the standard one, and a very important one &#8212; the desire not to get &#8220;doored&#8221; which is as prevelant here in Boston as it probably is anywhere &#8212; but Michael Smith&#8217;s answer is also a good one that most beginner bicyclists don&#8217;t know: never be squeezed right up against the curb. If you do, cars will just go straight as if you don&#8217;t exist, figuring that they can get by, and if they either misjudge or if a pothole sends you a few extra inches out into the street, you&#8217;re going to get clipped.</p>
<p>Rather, always be a foot or so away from the curb. This forces drivers to actually acknowledge you and to physically turn their steering wheel to get around you, even if only a few extra inches, or preferably into the next lane. Bikes need to assert their claim to the space around them or they&#8217;re going to get squished.</p>
<p>Note that the above obviously depends on the specifics of the road you&#8217;re driving on, as well as the width of any potential bike lane that may or may not exist.</p>
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		<title>By: kinetix</title>
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		<dc:creator>kinetix</dc:creator>
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		<description>I live in Montreal, and drivers here have an infamously bad attitude towards cyclists.  There have been a few PSA campaigns but rarely does anything go beyond the passive aggressive &quot;please drive safely, or someone may be hurt.&quot;

I&#039;m considering starting an aggressive aggressive road safety campaign with catchy slogans like the following:

Signal your turn ahead of time,
Lethal negligence is still a crime.

or

Please don&#039;t park in the bike lane,
Or we&#039;ll smash out your Goddamn brain.

or

If you gun through another red,
We&#039;re going to blow off your fuckin&#039; head.

The last one might need some polish.  Until this project gets off the ground, my best advice to cyclists is to pedal softly and carry a big hammer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Montreal, and drivers here have an infamously bad attitude towards cyclists.  There have been a few PSA campaigns but rarely does anything go beyond the passive aggressive &#8220;please drive safely, or someone may be hurt.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m considering starting an aggressive aggressive road safety campaign with catchy slogans like the following:</p>
<p>Signal your turn ahead of time,<br />
Lethal negligence is still a crime.</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t park in the bike lane,<br />
Or we&#8217;ll smash out your Goddamn brain.</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>If you gun through another red,<br />
We&#8217;re going to blow off your fuckin&#8217; head.</p>
<p>The last one might need some polish.  Until this project gets off the ground, my best advice to cyclists is to pedal softly and carry a big hammer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Olshefsky</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613169</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Olshefsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it curious that the automobile is not treated like any other dangerous device.  For instance, if one were to wield a shotgun -- perhaps &quot;accidentally shooting someone&quot; -- the consequences would be dire.  But elicit the same conclusion using an automobile and the response is _never_ as strongly phrased.

I can wax poetic on all forms of conspiratorial theories on the value of an automobile as a rolling room-with-a-view, but sticking to more concrete ideas, I think it&#039;s simply that legislators do not use bicycles as primary transportation.

As a pedestrian and cyclist, I conclude that laws mean absolutely nothing in this case.  I consider that: (1) nearly all drivers are motivated to not want their car damaged, (2) nearly all people do not want to injure or kill someone, and (3) nearly all people are distracted at one point or another while driving.  With that in mind, I try to be seen, be seen as a substantial object, be seen as a human being, and to ride like I&#039;m invisible in areas where driving can be a passive activity (i.e. low mental stimulation leads to lackadaisical behavior).

I have for a while, however, considered starting an illegal cycling gang that will shoot people who threaten us with their cars -- sort of a &quot;you point a deadly weapon at me, I&#039;ll point one at you&quot; kind of philosophy.  Generally it&#039;s just to try and wake people up to the notion that cars are dangerous to people not in cars, but most people believe cars give them a right to be irresponsible with other people&#039;s lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it curious that the automobile is not treated like any other dangerous device.  For instance, if one were to wield a shotgun &#8212; perhaps &#8220;accidentally shooting someone&#8221; &#8212; the consequences would be dire.  But elicit the same conclusion using an automobile and the response is _never_ as strongly phrased.</p>
<p>I can wax poetic on all forms of conspiratorial theories on the value of an automobile as a rolling room-with-a-view, but sticking to more concrete ideas, I think it&#8217;s simply that legislators do not use bicycles as primary transportation.</p>
<p>As a pedestrian and cyclist, I conclude that laws mean absolutely nothing in this case.  I consider that: (1) nearly all drivers are motivated to not want their car damaged, (2) nearly all people do not want to injure or kill someone, and (3) nearly all people are distracted at one point or another while driving.  With that in mind, I try to be seen, be seen as a substantial object, be seen as a human being, and to ride like I&#8217;m invisible in areas where driving can be a passive activity (i.e. low mental stimulation leads to lackadaisical behavior).</p>
<p>I have for a while, however, considered starting an illegal cycling gang that will shoot people who threaten us with their cars &#8212; sort of a &#8220;you point a deadly weapon at me, I&#8217;ll point one at you&#8221; kind of philosophy.  Generally it&#8217;s just to try and wake people up to the notion that cars are dangerous to people not in cars, but most people believe cars give them a right to be irresponsible with other people&#8217;s lives.</p>
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		<title>By: disabuser</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613427</link>
		<dc:creator>disabuser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As others have stated, very few bike lanes are wide enough or positioned far enough to the left to avoid the &quot;door zone&quot; of parked cars. Check out what happened to Dana Laird (who was in a bike lane). The guy who killed her only got a ticket.
http://tinyurl.com/yfgzwj3
http://tinyurl.com/yksbb9o

I have also noticed that most cars will not slow down and wait to pass safely when faced with oncoming traffic, blind curves, etc. They&#039;ll just make room by squeezing me off the road unless I take control of the lane. So I block them when I have to, and then move to the right and allow them to pass as soon as it&#039;s safe. Seriously, slowing down for a couple of seconds until you can pass safely isn&#039;t going to kill you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have stated, very few bike lanes are wide enough or positioned far enough to the left to avoid the &#8220;door zone&#8221; of parked cars. Check out what happened to Dana Laird (who was in a bike lane). The guy who killed her only got a ticket.<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yfgzwj3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yfgzwj3</a><br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yksbb9o" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yksbb9o</a></p>
<p>I have also noticed that most cars will not slow down and wait to pass safely when faced with oncoming traffic, blind curves, etc. They&#8217;ll just make room by squeezing me off the road unless I take control of the lane. So I block them when I have to, and then move to the right and allow them to pass as soon as it&#8217;s safe. Seriously, slowing down for a couple of seconds until you can pass safely isn&#8217;t going to kill you.</p>
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		<title>By: michael holloway</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-666934</link>
		<dc:creator>michael holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of suing the asshole don&#039;t dirty your day, I your passionate, do the following instead:

Ask the city official who&#039;s duty it is under law to prosecute the case. That would be the DA of San Fransisco - no? 

If you get no action, the coroner&#039;s office has quite a lot of power. The coroner can hold an inquiry and shine a whole lot of light on this/similar cases.

Instead of just suing the owner of the plates, create a community event (a party), to raise money to pursue all of the above.

You&#039;ll get press by going to the DA. And more press by going to the coroner. Use that press to advertise the fund raiser. Once all this is rolling you&#039;ll find Lawyers are willing to do public good cases, choose one who understands that the politics are the most important part of this, not whether you win/lose the actual suit  (although that would be nice). 

Use multi-media to your advantage: i-phone audio/video all your meetings with public officials, pre-package news for the dying old style news outlets, use the Bloggosphere, Youtube and Twitter.

You&#039;ve got a slam-dunk morally righteous case, good luck.

Need to talk more?
Google: Michael Holloway&#039;s FilterBlogs ---&gt; gmail

mh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of suing the asshole don&#8217;t dirty your day, I your passionate, do the following instead:</p>
<p>Ask the city official who&#8217;s duty it is under law to prosecute the case. That would be the DA of San Fransisco &#8211; no? </p>
<p>If you get no action, the coroner&#8217;s office has quite a lot of power. The coroner can hold an inquiry and shine a whole lot of light on this/similar cases.</p>
<p>Instead of just suing the owner of the plates, create a community event (a party), to raise money to pursue all of the above.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get press by going to the DA. And more press by going to the coroner. Use that press to advertise the fund raiser. Once all this is rolling you&#8217;ll find Lawyers are willing to do public good cases, choose one who understands that the politics are the most important part of this, not whether you win/lose the actual suit  (although that would be nice). </p>
<p>Use multi-media to your advantage: i-phone audio/video all your meetings with public officials, pre-package news for the dying old style news outlets, use the Bloggosphere, Youtube and Twitter.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got a slam-dunk morally righteous case, good luck.</p>
<p>Need to talk more?<br />
Google: Michael Holloway&#8217;s FilterBlogs &#8212;> gmail</p>
<p>mh</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613430</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Queb, I know many cyclists that drive as well. They&#039;ve spent years biking through the street in the snow and rain but when they have to drive they all come to one agreement: cyclist are idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queb, I know many cyclists that drive as well. They&#8217;ve spent years biking through the street in the snow and rain but when they have to drive they all come to one agreement: cyclist are idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: pyster</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613176</link>
		<dc:creator>pyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some motorist actively hate cyclists. This has me consistently telling these people, whom have been my friends and sometime my lovers, that they are trite, sick, and pathetic. I&#039;ve seen drivers purposely harass cyclists (verbally and by purposely getting to close to them) in the cleveland metro parks because they feel that cyclists should be on the trail; with the pedestrians and roller bladers. they have every legal right to be on the road, yet these fuck tards insist on being uncivilized jerks.

Hit and run should be treated like any other assault with a deadly weapon. Heh, Hitting someone and not running should be treated that way also. Slow down, maintain control of your vehicle, and remember where ever the fuck you are going is not more important than someone else&#039;s health.

On a funny note... I have a friend who has been hit by a car 2-3 times... and HE HAS BEEN THE ONE TO RUN. Imagine you hit someone the get up and they take off.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some motorist actively hate cyclists. This has me consistently telling these people, whom have been my friends and sometime my lovers, that they are trite, sick, and pathetic. I&#8217;ve seen drivers purposely harass cyclists (verbally and by purposely getting to close to them) in the cleveland metro parks because they feel that cyclists should be on the trail; with the pedestrians and roller bladers. they have every legal right to be on the road, yet these fuck tards insist on being uncivilized jerks.</p>
<p>Hit and run should be treated like any other assault with a deadly weapon. Heh, Hitting someone and not running should be treated that way also. Slow down, maintain control of your vehicle, and remember where ever the fuck you are going is not more important than someone else&#8217;s health.</p>
<p>On a funny note&#8230; I have a friend who has been hit by a car 2-3 times&#8230; and HE HAS BEEN THE ONE TO RUN. Imagine you hit someone the get up and they take off.</p>
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		<title>By: JWmoop</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-708670</link>
		<dc:creator>JWmoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was struck by a hit on my bicycle by a hit and run driver in Cambridge New York on 1/20/2010. The driver and the vehicle was identified. Witnesses were identified and came forward. This is a class E felony in New York.  The local police refuse to investigate. New York State Law states that the driver of the motorized vehicle must submit an accident report. The bicyclist does not have the right to file the accident report. If you want to get drunk and hit a bicycle and get away free, come to Cambridge, New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was struck by a hit on my bicycle by a hit and run driver in Cambridge New York on 1/20/2010. The driver and the vehicle was identified. Witnesses were identified and came forward. This is a class E felony in New York.  The local police refuse to investigate. New York State Law states that the driver of the motorized vehicle must submit an accident report. The bicyclist does not have the right to file the accident report. If you want to get drunk and hit a bicycle and get away free, come to Cambridge, New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613705</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beef here, can&#039;t sign in on this machine.

I hear you about how this is not as clear-cut as my initial comment implied.  A Wall St broker (do those still exist?) who lives in Tribeca certainly has a more bikeable commute than, say, the concierge in that guy&#039;s building who lives in Flushing.  But, I see this &quot;but what about the guy who lives in ENY and drives to his job in Harlem?!&quot; used frequently as a strawman argument to demonize transportation reform.  Disclaim: I am sure this is not what you are doing here, just giving you the background on why I made my initial comment.  Living near work has become a privilege of wealth, and that is a symptom of a greater problem of civic misplanning and income dispartity and housing injustice.  I am in big favor of addressing those extremely pressing troubles.  And I surely don&#039;t want to punish the hypothetical ENY-to-Harlem commuter.  But I don&#039;t want to shut down all discourse on traffic reform  just because some (probably City Council member (who probably drives a car)) calls upon that hypothetical commuter to support. the status quo.

I just get agitated because I often hear bicycling decribed as a purely recreational activity, done only by obnoxious white dudes wearing Lance Armstrong costumes who will zoom through your red light because their $3000 bicycle is designed so that they can never take their feet off the pedals to stop.  Or by trust-funded fixie aficionados whose thighs are as skinny as their bike frames and who are too cool and rebellious for your silly traffic laws.  And I do see those guys out there, and they are annoying.  But I also see a ton of working joes and josies just trying to get from point A to point B.  AND, I see a TON of dudes who are on their bikes in all weather at all hours balancing a pizza, or whatever.  I feel like anyone who complains about bikes had better never have ordered delivery in their lives.  And anyone who complains about bikes blowing red lights had better never have jaywalked in their lives.  I think that basically covers the whole population of New York.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beef here, can&#8217;t sign in on this machine.</p>
<p>I hear you about how this is not as clear-cut as my initial comment implied.  A Wall St broker (do those still exist?) who lives in Tribeca certainly has a more bikeable commute than, say, the concierge in that guy&#8217;s building who lives in Flushing.  But, I see this &#8220;but what about the guy who lives in ENY and drives to his job in Harlem?!&#8221; used frequently as a strawman argument to demonize transportation reform.  Disclaim: I am sure this is not what you are doing here, just giving you the background on why I made my initial comment.  Living near work has become a privilege of wealth, and that is a symptom of a greater problem of civic misplanning and income dispartity and housing injustice.  I am in big favor of addressing those extremely pressing troubles.  And I surely don&#8217;t want to punish the hypothetical ENY-to-Harlem commuter.  But I don&#8217;t want to shut down all discourse on traffic reform  just because some (probably City Council member (who probably drives a car)) calls upon that hypothetical commuter to support. the status quo.</p>
<p>I just get agitated because I often hear bicycling decribed as a purely recreational activity, done only by obnoxious white dudes wearing Lance Armstrong costumes who will zoom through your red light because their $3000 bicycle is designed so that they can never take their feet off the pedals to stop.  Or by trust-funded fixie aficionados whose thighs are as skinny as their bike frames and who are too cool and rebellious for your silly traffic laws.  And I do see those guys out there, and they are annoying.  But I also see a ton of working joes and josies just trying to get from point A to point B.  AND, I see a TON of dudes who are on their bikes in all weather at all hours balancing a pizza, or whatever.  I feel like anyone who complains about bikes had better never have ordered delivery in their lives.  And anyone who complains about bikes blowing red lights had better never have jaywalked in their lives.  I think that basically covers the whole population of New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613713</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Still Beef, still can&#039;t sign in where I am.)

Gotcha.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Still Beef, still can&#8217;t sign in where I am.)</p>
<p>Gotcha.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Baldhead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613458</link>
		<dc:creator>Baldhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hit and runs and fatal collisions while DUI should have a single basic punishment- permanent loss of license. You have failed the most important driving test of all, my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hit and runs and fatal collisions while DUI should have a single basic punishment- permanent loss of license. You have failed the most important driving test of all, my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613203</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s a good idea too. If you&#039;re on the roads you should need a license.</description>
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		<title>By: bwcbwc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613972</link>
		<dc:creator>bwcbwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some food for thought. When the laws that designate bicycles as vehicles were drawn up. The speed and weight differentials between bikes and vehicles were a lot smaller. Cars were a lot lighter and a good bike could keep up with them on the downhill.

Nowadays the weight and speed differential is so great, perhaps it&#039;s time to get bikes off of the roads and onto the sidewalks and trails. Then the cyclists can get yelled at by the pedestrians they clip, rather than yell at the SUVs that clip them. 

In all seriousness, what we really need is a 3-tiered road design with a full 3/4 lane dedicated to bikes, mopeds and scooters, but until that happens, many roads are just too unsafe. Here in suburban Florida, the bicyclists ride on the sidewalk even when there are bike lanes without parked cars because so many of the car-driving loonies down here really are out to get them. Or at least drive like they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some food for thought. When the laws that designate bicycles as vehicles were drawn up. The speed and weight differentials between bikes and vehicles were a lot smaller. Cars were a lot lighter and a good bike could keep up with them on the downhill.</p>
<p>Nowadays the weight and speed differential is so great, perhaps it&#8217;s time to get bikes off of the roads and onto the sidewalks and trails. Then the cyclists can get yelled at by the pedestrians they clip, rather than yell at the SUVs that clip them. </p>
<p>In all seriousness, what we really need is a 3-tiered road design with a full 3/4 lane dedicated to bikes, mopeds and scooters, but until that happens, many roads are just too unsafe. Here in suburban Florida, the bicyclists ride on the sidewalk even when there are bike lanes without parked cars because so many of the car-driving loonies down here really are out to get them. Or at least drive like they are.</p>
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		<title>By: libelle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613717</link>
		<dc:creator>libelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Los Angeles pedestrian, I&#039;ve been hit by 3 cars and 5 bicycles over the past 5 or so years. As an *alert* pedestrian, it&#039;s never been a direct hit or resulted in worse injury than scrapes or bruising -- I&#039;ve been able to get almost entirely out of the way.

Of those hits, 2 cars and all of the bicycles were on the sidewalk at the time of impact.

Of the car drivers, only one acknowledged (or probably was even aware of) having hit me. That driver, who had been adjusting her iPod while making a right turn, waved to me merrily as she drove off. None of the cars stopped.

Of the cyclists, two apologized without stopping, two stopped and apologized, and one threatened to kick my ass if I didn&#039;t get the f* out of his way.

Dunno what any of this means. My only conclusion is you can&#039;t trust anyone to be looking out for you on the road, nor doing the right thing even if they see you. Be careful out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Los Angeles pedestrian, I&#8217;ve been hit by 3 cars and 5 bicycles over the past 5 or so years. As an *alert* pedestrian, it&#8217;s never been a direct hit or resulted in worse injury than scrapes or bruising &#8212; I&#8217;ve been able to get almost entirely out of the way.</p>
<p>Of those hits, 2 cars and all of the bicycles were on the sidewalk at the time of impact.</p>
<p>Of the car drivers, only one acknowledged (or probably was even aware of) having hit me. That driver, who had been adjusting her iPod while making a right turn, waved to me merrily as she drove off. None of the cars stopped.</p>
<p>Of the cyclists, two apologized without stopping, two stopped and apologized, and one threatened to kick my ass if I didn&#8217;t get the f* out of his way.</p>
<p>Dunno what any of this means. My only conclusion is you can&#8217;t trust anyone to be looking out for you on the road, nor doing the right thing even if they see you. Be careful out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613209</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On a funny note... I have a friend who has been hit by a car 2-3 times... and HE HAS BEEN THE ONE TO RUN. Imagine you hit someone the get up and they take off.&quot;

I would&#039;ve assumed they were illegally in the country or had warrants.  That&#039;s usually the case here in Texas.

Having BEEN a pedestrian on the receiving end of a hit &amp; run, I can sympathize.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On a funny note&#8230; I have a friend who has been hit by a car 2-3 times&#8230; and HE HAS BEEN THE ONE TO RUN. Imagine you hit someone the get up and they take off.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would&#8217;ve assumed they were illegally in the country or had warrants.  That&#8217;s usually the case here in Texas.</p>
<p>Having BEEN a pedestrian on the receiving end of a hit &#038; run, I can sympathize.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613217</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hit by a car while riding my bike last month. I landed on my head and made the unwise decision not to see a doctor. Fortunately, I came out alright, and the guy who hit me went through a lot of effort to get the bike repaired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hit by a car while riding my bike last month. I landed on my head and made the unwise decision not to see a doctor. Fortunately, I came out alright, and the guy who hit me went through a lot of effort to get the bike repaired.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613474</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa. I know the guy that got hit. Small world. Glad they have the info to catch the guy wot did it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa. I know the guy that got hit. Small world. Glad they have the info to catch the guy wot did it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613225</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That white line seperating the bike lane from the car lane doesnt mean shit. There is no law that says cyclist have to use the cycling lane. They have every right to the car lane and cars must still give 3 feet of clearance. If I am in the cycling lane and a parked car opens the drivers door guess where I am going? The car lane and I have every right to do so. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That white line seperating the bike lane from the car lane doesnt mean shit. There is no law that says cyclist have to use the cycling lane. They have every right to the car lane and cars must still give 3 feet of clearance. If I am in the cycling lane and a parked car opens the drivers door guess where I am going? The car lane and I have every right to do so. </p>
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		<title>By: Sparrow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/hit-and-run-driver-w.html#comment-613227</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like a lot of drivers just don&#039;t care. I don&#039;t ride a bike very often, but I do try to be aware of bikes and pedestrians when I drive, which often seems to frustrate other drivers since they can&#039;t seem to understand why I would change lanes to give a cyclist space, and frequently try to pass me on the inside when I do. 
I have been squeezed off the road by a coach bus, and I was impressed that the driver actually did stop to make sure I was OK, since it was the only time I had ever even heard of a driver stopping. 
My brother was sideswiped by a car within a block of the local police station. He was thrown clear, but the rear wheels of the car went over the bike, and kept right on going. He limped to the police station, and the cops had no interest in investigating, even suggested that he was at fault. They may have been upset with him for bleeding on their floor, but they didn&#039;t even offer first aid. On the way out, he saw the car in question parked in the police station&#039;s staff parking lot. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like a lot of drivers just don&#8217;t care. I don&#8217;t ride a bike very often, but I do try to be aware of bikes and pedestrians when I drive, which often seems to frustrate other drivers since they can&#8217;t seem to understand why I would change lanes to give a cyclist space, and frequently try to pass me on the inside when I do.<br />
I have been squeezed off the road by a coach bus, and I was impressed that the driver actually did stop to make sure I was OK, since it was the only time I had ever even heard of a driver stopping.<br />
My brother was sideswiped by a car within a block of the local police station. He was thrown clear, but the rear wheels of the car went over the bike, and kept right on going. He limped to the police station, and the cops had no interest in investigating, even suggested that he was at fault. They may have been upset with him for bleeding on their floor, but they didn&#8217;t even offer first aid. On the way out, he saw the car in question parked in the police station&#8217;s staff parking lot. </p>
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