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	<title>Comments on: Ralph Lauren fires photo-chopped model for being too&#160;big</title>
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		<title>By: TheCrawNotTheCraw</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612354</link>
		<dc:creator>TheCrawNotTheCraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanted: Model for Ralph Lauren clothes.  Must be 5&#039;10&quot; and weigh no more than 60 pounds.
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612356</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OFFS is all I can say to this.

I&#039;m interested in the juxtaposition of this with the reaction to a recent photo in Glamour: 
[&lt;b&gt;Warning: possibly NSFW&lt;/b&gt;; it appears to be a nude photo (she&#039;s actually wearing underwear), but carefully posed so that nothing is really showing.  Definitely on the sexy side though.]

http://www.glamour.com/health-fitness/blogs/vitamin-g/2009/08/on-the-cl-the-picture-you-cant.html

We&#039;re so messed up about body image in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OFFS is all I can say to this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in the juxtaposition of this with the reaction to a recent photo in Glamour:<br />
[<b>Warning: possibly NSFW</b>; it appears to be a nude photo (she's actually wearing underwear), but carefully posed so that nothing is really showing.  Definitely on the sexy side though.]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.glamour.com/health-fitness/blogs/vitamin-g/2009/08/on-the-cl-the-picture-you-cant.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.glamour.com/health-fitness/blogs/vitamin-g/2009/08/on-the-cl-the-picture-you-cant.html</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;re so messed up about body image in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Shithead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612869</link>
		<dc:creator>Shithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And your point is?

My point: This is a non-story. Making it appear as if she was fired for the flap over the recent story is Fark material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And your point is?</p>
<p>My point: This is a non-story. Making it appear as if she was fired for the flap over the recent story is Fark material.</p>
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		<title>By: zoetrope</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612873</link>
		<dc:creator>zoetrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>personally, i think the dimensions that most models must strive to fit are freakishly alien and unhealthy looking. the greater lot of humans dont look like models, thusly making them freaks and its upsetting to know that an everyday looking girl is striving to match that archetype. within the fashion realm, i like what dov charney has done with his... Read More models for american apparel. there is alot of argument over them not being pretty enough to be models but i beg to differ. they are average women, they are normal looking girls, and that makes them so much more sexy than some freak that everyone is trying to be. i can really appreciate a normal looking woman over some freak model with superlative looks. plus they are all out of my league and that has a lot to do with my opinion :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>personally, i think the dimensions that most models must strive to fit are freakishly alien and unhealthy looking. the greater lot of humans dont look like models, thusly making them freaks and its upsetting to know that an everyday looking girl is striving to match that archetype. within the fashion realm, i like what dov charney has done with his&#8230; Read More models for american apparel. there is alot of argument over them not being pretty enough to be models but i beg to differ. they are average women, they are normal looking girls, and that makes them so much more sexy than some freak that everyone is trying to be. i can really appreciate a normal looking woman over some freak model with superlative looks. plus they are all out of my league and that has a lot to do with my opinion :)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612875</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. What a fascinating culture we have. There are people in the world who are literally starving and we are fixated on whether a woman who gets paid to play dress up is too skinny...blah blah blah. I say she should use the money she earned to take herself and a bunch of homeless kids to McDonald&#039;s and go crazy! But not Morgan Spurlock crazy. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. What a fascinating culture we have. There are people in the world who are literally starving and we are fixated on whether a woman who gets paid to play dress up is too skinny&#8230;blah blah blah. I say she should use the money she earned to take herself and a bunch of homeless kids to McDonald&#8217;s and go crazy! But not Morgan Spurlock crazy. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612877</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, folks. Over here. It looks like Ralph&#039;s done it again:

http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/10/ralph-lauren-hits-keep-on-coming.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, folks. Over here. It looks like Ralph&#8217;s done it again:</p>
<p><a href="http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/10/ralph-lauren-hits-keep-on-coming.html" rel="nofollow">http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/10/ralph-lauren-hits-keep-on-coming.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: MattF</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612371</link>
		<dc:creator>MattF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidently, in the fashion world, &quot;healthy&quot; is a dog-whistle term that means &quot;fat&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidently, in the fashion world, &#8220;healthy&#8221; is a dog-whistle term that means &#8220;fat&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: demidan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612376</link>
		<dc:creator>demidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok so i coined a phrase.&quot;body dismorphic appearance&quot; : how a physical body conforms to an imaginary or unhealthy figure i.e. 5&#039;10&quot; and 120lbs.  Or the physical representation of body dismorphism.

 I lazily extrapolated/morphed a mental illness into it&#039;s logical physical conclusion.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so i coined a phrase.&#8221;body dismorphic appearance&#8221; : how a physical body conforms to an imaginary or unhealthy figure i.e. 5&#8217;10&#8243; and 120lbs.  Or the physical representation of body dismorphism.</p>
<p> I lazily extrapolated/morphed a mental illness into it&#8217;s logical physical conclusion.  </p>
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		<title>By: Shithead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612644</link>
		<dc:creator>Shithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She was fired in April.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-613157</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe her dimensions. I&#039;m 5&#039;5&quot; and 113lbs. don&#039;t let the bra throw you. we have padding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe her dimensions. I&#8217;m 5&#8217;5&#8243; and 113lbs. don&#8217;t let the bra throw you. we have padding.</p>
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		<title>By: aldasin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612393</link>
		<dc:creator>aldasin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who buys what these fashion pigs sell? The problem is YOU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So who buys what these fashion pigs sell? The problem is YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612652</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;She was fired in April.&lt;/i&gt;

That was commented five hours ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>She was fired in April.</i></p>
<p>That was commented five hours ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612914</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and what a fat blob she is. 120 pounds/55kgs according to her Wikipedia page. 

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/filippahamilton/filippa_hamilton_1.jpg

http://www.blogherbaldiet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/ralph-lauren.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filippa_Palmstierna_Hamilton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and what a fat blob she is. 120 pounds/55kgs according to her Wikipedia page. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/filippahamilton/filippa_hamilton_1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/filippahamilton/filippa_hamilton_1.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.blogherbaldiet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/ralph-lauren.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogherbaldiet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/ralph-lauren.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filippa_Palmstierna_Hamilton" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filippa_Palmstierna_Hamilton</a></p>
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		<title>By: gollux</title>
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		<dc:creator>gollux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I highly recommend that Ralphie Boy Lauren apply to the Diamond Match company for his next models. They have all the proper proportions, large head, same dimensions from the neck all the way down, flat chest and butt. And they&#039;d totally fit his clothes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highly recommend that Ralphie Boy Lauren apply to the Diamond Match company for his next models. They have all the proper proportions, large head, same dimensions from the neck all the way down, flat chest and butt. And they&#8217;d totally fit his clothes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phikus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612680</link>
		<dc:creator>Phikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That was commented five hours ago.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s equal to April ago in internet meme time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That was commented five hours ago.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s equal to April ago in internet meme time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612936</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think for many observers, it&#039;s the broader implications that are of most interest here.  

Regardless of whether we have total knowledge of Lauren&#039;s contractual or legal obligations to this particular model, as consumers we have we have every right to demonstrate dislike, or disdain, for the company&#039;s ad campaigns and practices. 

Hopefully the message that the majority of women would appreciate a fashion industry that personifies less absurd notions of beauty will get translated. 

The most effective method: company revenues.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think for many observers, it&#8217;s the broader implications that are of most interest here.  </p>
<p>Regardless of whether we have total knowledge of Lauren&#8217;s contractual or legal obligations to this particular model, as consumers we have we have every right to demonstrate dislike, or disdain, for the company&#8217;s ad campaigns and practices. </p>
<p>Hopefully the message that the majority of women would appreciate a fashion industry that personifies less absurd notions of beauty will get translated. </p>
<p>The most effective method: company revenues.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>demidan: again, there&#039;s nothing &quot;imaginary&quot; about this woman. Unlike her digitally manipulated photo she actually &lt;em&gt;exists,&lt;/em&gt; and she models in the body she has. For all we know she is physically healthy. Asking her to &quot;apologize&quot; for the sin of being tall and thin is just as callous as asking a short heavyset woman to apologize for the way she looks.

The fashion industry is guilty of focusing on a very narrow subset of body types to the exclusion of everybody else. That doesn&#039;t mean that there is something inherently wrong with the skinny models, it means that the magazines should try broadening their view to include more shapes and sizes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>demidan: again, there&#8217;s nothing &#8220;imaginary&#8221; about this woman. Unlike her digitally manipulated photo she actually <em>exists,</em> and she models in the body she has. For all we know she is physically healthy. Asking her to &#8220;apologize&#8221; for the sin of being tall and thin is just as callous as asking a short heavyset woman to apologize for the way she looks.</p>
<p>The fashion industry is guilty of focusing on a very narrow subset of body types to the exclusion of everybody else. That doesn&#8217;t mean that there is something inherently wrong with the skinny models, it means that the magazines should try broadening their view to include more shapes and sizes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Lauren will not hire a &quot;fat&quot; model to advertise his clothes but I am sure he has no problem taking a &quot;fat&quot; persons money. Kind of a double standard don&#039;t ya think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Lauren will not hire a &#8220;fat&#8221; model to advertise his clothes but I am sure he has no problem taking a &#8220;fat&#8221; persons money. Kind of a double standard don&#8217;t ya think.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a design professional I could tell you FIRST LOOK that the image had been manipulated (poorly, I might ad). The proportions are way off. Hey, if you are going to fake it, at least do a good job at it. What a bunch of hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a design professional I could tell you FIRST LOOK that the image had been manipulated (poorly, I might ad). The proportions are way off. Hey, if you are going to fake it, at least do a good job at it. What a bunch of hacks.</p>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We CAN wear what we want.  Seriously.  I don&#039;t buy clothes from designers like this and I won&#039;t. I&#039;d rather wear something I made myself or something somebody else made nearby.  It costs less than most designer clothes to have something made for you, actually.  Besides when you put your own outfits together you get to use your own creativity which is where the best innovation happens anyway.  Forget &quot;seasons&quot; and &quot;in-style&quot; and learn to look for interesting patterns, shapes, colors.  It doesn&#039;t take that much.  It sure didn&#039;t take that much to come up with that *brilliant* plaid shirt and jeans combo RL has up there.  Yeah, that&#039;s fashion genius right there... same old same old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We CAN wear what we want.  Seriously.  I don&#8217;t buy clothes from designers like this and I won&#8217;t. I&#8217;d rather wear something I made myself or something somebody else made nearby.  It costs less than most designer clothes to have something made for you, actually.  Besides when you put your own outfits together you get to use your own creativity which is where the best innovation happens anyway.  Forget &#8220;seasons&#8221; and &#8220;in-style&#8221; and learn to look for interesting patterns, shapes, colors.  It doesn&#8217;t take that much.  It sure didn&#8217;t take that much to come up with that *brilliant* plaid shirt and jeans combo RL has up there.  Yeah, that&#8217;s fashion genius right there&#8230; same old same old.</p>
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		<title>By: Moriarty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moriarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, ASSUMING she was fired for the reason she claims, then that&#039;s a legitimate reason. Part of a model&#039;s job is to look the way their employer wants. In fact, that&#039;s pretty much the entire job.

The fact that that is what RL wants is pretty crazy, but that&#039;s a separate issue, isn&#039;t it? The industry has collectively decided that clothes look best on people of a certain body type - very tall, and very thin. Whether they&#039;re right or wrong is entirely subjective. If they had a wider range of models, I guess it would be easier to guess what the clothes would actually look like on the rest of us, but I suppose that&#039;s not what they want, any more than a fast food commercial shows average examples of their sad products, rather than carefully crafted ones.

As for whether they have a MORAL obligation to combat &quot;impossible standards,&quot; maybe they do. But I don&#039;t know - do many people actually find them to be the ideal? They aren&#039;t supposed to be sex objects, they&#039;re supposed to be attractive clothes hangers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, ASSUMING she was fired for the reason she claims, then that&#8217;s a legitimate reason. Part of a model&#8217;s job is to look the way their employer wants. In fact, that&#8217;s pretty much the entire job.</p>
<p>The fact that that is what RL wants is pretty crazy, but that&#8217;s a separate issue, isn&#8217;t it? The industry has collectively decided that clothes look best on people of a certain body type &#8211; very tall, and very thin. Whether they&#8217;re right or wrong is entirely subjective. If they had a wider range of models, I guess it would be easier to guess what the clothes would actually look like on the rest of us, but I suppose that&#8217;s not what they want, any more than a fast food commercial shows average examples of their sad products, rather than carefully crafted ones.</p>
<p>As for whether they have a MORAL obligation to combat &#8220;impossible standards,&#8221; maybe they do. But I don&#8217;t know &#8211; do many people actually find them to be the ideal? They aren&#8217;t supposed to be sex objects, they&#8217;re supposed to be attractive clothes hangers. </p>
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		<title>By: mndasher</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modern interpretation of weight: 5 percent over weight = Obese, 5 percent under weight = anorexic.  

5&#039; 10&quot; and 125 lb is a little underweight. So what? For a model, underweight is normal, just in case no one has ever noticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern interpretation of weight: 5 percent over weight = Obese, 5 percent under weight = anorexic.  </p>
<p>5&#8242; 10&#8243; and 125 lb is a little underweight. So what? For a model, underweight is normal, just in case no one has ever noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inspite of eating like there&#039;s no tomorrow my daughter is 5&#039;5&quot; and weighs 103 and is 15, plus she looks all gangly and well way way too thin, ethiopian starving thin!  Ralph Lauren and Co are idiots! Besides that photo chop picture looks rediculous, normal size head on a freaky weird skinny body. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inspite of eating like there&#8217;s no tomorrow my daughter is 5&#8217;5&#8243; and weighs 103 and is 15, plus she looks all gangly and well way way too thin, ethiopian starving thin!  Ralph Lauren and Co are idiots! Besides that photo chop picture looks rediculous, normal size head on a freaky weird skinny body. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-613228</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are corrupt institutions in the Republic. Congress. Universities. Lamestream Media. The Fashion Industry.

When society as a whole or some concerned subset sees this, there are a couple choices.

Puritans from purify wanted to reform the Church of England.

The Reformation decided to break loose from the Catholic Church and create their own institution.

The question is: Is the whole institution so corrupt and nasty and anti-truth that purifying it is out of the question?

I&#039;d say the Fashion Industry meets that standard. 

So, its time for a replacement. Give it a name, a manifesto, and a viewpoint, and then promote it.

&quot;Do you want to be a Stick or do you want Style?&quot;
&quot;Is it about the Clothes, or about You?&quot;
Then show a contrast and comparison between a po-faced anorexic model, and a luscious lady in a gown made for her that makes you look at the woman and not the clothes.

The previous commenter who noted how adding X inches to a dress designed for a stick doesn&#039;t really help normal woman should be a key part of the Style Design Movement.

And cause I&#039;m a guy...another key part is to make the dresses and such be aimed to be attractive to guys.

Run an add with a tired looking RL, and a vital and handsome football player, and the question...&quot;Which guy do you want to ask you to dance?&quot;

Tennwriter </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are corrupt institutions in the Republic. Congress. Universities. Lamestream Media. The Fashion Industry.</p>
<p>When society as a whole or some concerned subset sees this, there are a couple choices.</p>
<p>Puritans from purify wanted to reform the Church of England.</p>
<p>The Reformation decided to break loose from the Catholic Church and create their own institution.</p>
<p>The question is: Is the whole institution so corrupt and nasty and anti-truth that purifying it is out of the question?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the Fashion Industry meets that standard. </p>
<p>So, its time for a replacement. Give it a name, a manifesto, and a viewpoint, and then promote it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you want to be a Stick or do you want Style?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Is it about the Clothes, or about You?&#8221;<br />
Then show a contrast and comparison between a po-faced anorexic model, and a luscious lady in a gown made for her that makes you look at the woman and not the clothes.</p>
<p>The previous commenter who noted how adding X inches to a dress designed for a stick doesn&#8217;t really help normal woman should be a key part of the Style Design Movement.</p>
<p>And cause I&#8217;m a guy&#8230;another key part is to make the dresses and such be aimed to be attractive to guys.</p>
<p>Run an add with a tired looking RL, and a vital and handsome football player, and the question&#8230;&#8221;Which guy do you want to ask you to dance?&#8221;</p>
<p>Tennwriter </p>
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		<title>By: Baldhead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612462</link>
		<dc:creator>Baldhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone seen the original design sheets? They tend to draw clothes made for Grey Aliens then look for people to fit them. The idea of thinking about the human that migth wear the clothes seems secondary at best to designers. The clothes are all that matters.

Whatever. this is a company that suggests $90 to retailers as the price for a white t- shirt with &quot;ralph Lauren&quot; on it. That alone show the contempt they have for the average person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone seen the original design sheets? They tend to draw clothes made for Grey Aliens then look for people to fit them. The idea of thinking about the human that migth wear the clothes seems secondary at best to designers. The clothes are all that matters.</p>
<p>Whatever. this is a company that suggests $90 to retailers as the price for a white t- shirt with &#8220;ralph Lauren&#8221; on it. That alone show the contempt they have for the average person.</p>
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		<title>By: wildweasel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612467</link>
		<dc:creator>wildweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what would be really ironic? If Ms. Hamilton were hired by Boing Boing. =P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what would be really ironic? If Ms. Hamilton were hired by Boing Boing. =P</p>
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		<title>By: frankieboy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612471</link>
		<dc:creator>frankieboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard she&#039;s found work as a &#039;plus size&#039; model, so all ends well in this best of all possible worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard she&#8217;s found work as a &#8216;plus size&#8217; model, so all ends well in this best of all possible worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: rose bush</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612216</link>
		<dc:creator>rose bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess ralph lauren is a BIG BIG BIG fan (so to speak) of karl lagerfeld

http://the-morrighan.blogspot.com/2009/10/not-that-i-buy-his-clothing.html

this is just un effing believable. really, it is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess ralph lauren is a BIG BIG BIG fan (so to speak) of karl lagerfeld</p>
<p><a href="http://the-morrighan.blogspot.com/2009/10/not-that-i-buy-his-clothing.html" rel="nofollow">http://the-morrighan.blogspot.com/2009/10/not-that-i-buy-his-clothing.html</a></p>
<p>this is just un effing believable. really, it is</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/14/ralph-lauren-fires-p.html#comment-612472</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I&#039;m taking this with a grain of salt until someone actually does some real research here. &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m taking you with a grain of salt until you do your own. 

&lt;i&gt;Isn&#039;t it possible RL had some other reason to terminate her that had nothing to do with her size?&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe like a giant exercise in CYA (pre-emptive action) initiated after they got caught monstrously disfiguring her image (which could affect her career and which RL might be liable for if it such extreme retouching was outside her contract)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I&#8217;m taking this with a grain of salt until someone actually does some real research here. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m taking you with a grain of salt until you do your own. </p>
<p><i>Isn&#8217;t it possible RL had some other reason to terminate her that had nothing to do with her size?</i></p>
<p>Maybe like a giant exercise in CYA (pre-emptive action) initiated after they got caught monstrously disfiguring her image (which could affect her career and which RL might be liable for if it such extreme retouching was outside her contract)?</p>
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		<title>By: redstarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>redstarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d bashed Ralph Lauren in the first thread. The photoshop was awful and the legal threat was uncalled for.   However, I&#039;ve got to stand by them on this part.  Firing her for not meeting their criteria for models is fine.  If she doesn&#039;t have the look they want, they shouldn&#039;t employ her.  It&#039;s not like they fired her from a position where looks don&#039;t matter because of her looks.  Looks are the number one job requirement when you&#039;re a model.  

We wouldn&#039;t be mad at a record company for firing a singer who couldn&#039;t sing well or at an auto repair shop for firing a mechanic who couldn&#039;t fix cars well.  It shouldn&#039;t be any different for the fashion industry. We shouldn&#039;t let our feelings about weight issues get in the way of defending a business&#039;s right to hire and fire people who don&#039;t meet their standards.  

I agree that the model&#039;s weight doesn&#039;t sound fat at all in comparison with average, even thin, women.  She&#039;s a lot thinner than I am. But she&#039;s a model.  The bar is set higher.  Being average or even a little above average doesn&#039;t really qualify you to do things at a professional level, especially at the level required to work for a top-tier company. It seems Ralph Lauren has an extremely hard weight standard to achieve to some average sized women, but in the fashion industry, especially at the highest levels like Ralph Lauren, being very thin just a part of the job. 

Also, I don&#039;t know about the women&#039;s wear, but in their men&#039;s wear lines, they offer a wide range of big and tall sizes.  I buy lots of Ralph Lauren for my husband and one of the reasons is that he&#039;s a very large man and needs sizes that are unavailabe or hard to find in many other brands.  While their ad campaigns may feature super thin models, their expectations of real-world people&#039;s bodies are pretty inclusive, moreso than lots of other premium brands.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d bashed Ralph Lauren in the first thread. The photoshop was awful and the legal threat was uncalled for.   However, I&#8217;ve got to stand by them on this part.  Firing her for not meeting their criteria for models is fine.  If she doesn&#8217;t have the look they want, they shouldn&#8217;t employ her.  It&#8217;s not like they fired her from a position where looks don&#8217;t matter because of her looks.  Looks are the number one job requirement when you&#8217;re a model.  </p>
<p>We wouldn&#8217;t be mad at a record company for firing a singer who couldn&#8217;t sing well or at an auto repair shop for firing a mechanic who couldn&#8217;t fix cars well.  It shouldn&#8217;t be any different for the fashion industry. We shouldn&#8217;t let our feelings about weight issues get in the way of defending a business&#8217;s right to hire and fire people who don&#8217;t meet their standards.  </p>
<p>I agree that the model&#8217;s weight doesn&#8217;t sound fat at all in comparison with average, even thin, women.  She&#8217;s a lot thinner than I am. But she&#8217;s a model.  The bar is set higher.  Being average or even a little above average doesn&#8217;t really qualify you to do things at a professional level, especially at the level required to work for a top-tier company. It seems Ralph Lauren has an extremely hard weight standard to achieve to some average sized women, but in the fashion industry, especially at the highest levels like Ralph Lauren, being very thin just a part of the job. </p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t know about the women&#8217;s wear, but in their men&#8217;s wear lines, they offer a wide range of big and tall sizes.  I buy lots of Ralph Lauren for my husband and one of the reasons is that he&#8217;s a very large man and needs sizes that are unavailabe or hard to find in many other brands.  While their ad campaigns may feature super thin models, their expectations of real-world people&#8217;s bodies are pretty inclusive, moreso than lots of other premium brands.  </p>
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