Card counting is legal. Casinos should be barred from kicking out card counters. It is false advertising for casinos to claim you can win but kick you out if you can.

Makes perfect sense.

Personally? I enjoy the excitement of just flushing my money straight down the toilet.

Wet and wild. That’s how I likes it.

Why does this sound familiar…? Oh, right, online games like Counterstrike.

Despite card-counting being really HARD, people still want to try to pull it off. So why not have a “counting allowed” table with a small maximum bet?

This has been developed at the University of Dundee in the UK with the help of Dundee Casino.

So absolutely nothing to do with Vegas.

Or even better – read any book by Stanford Wong.

Luckily – this kind of software can’t account for multi-person teams. It can’t track the fact that the drunk next to me playing table minimum bets hand after hand just burped after a swig of beer, signalling that the count jumped up enough to say, “well fellows, I’ve got to hit the sack soon, so I’m gonna put it all on the line for one more hand and then call it a night. I hear Penn and Teller are a HOOT.”

They want it to be a lottery, where the winners are predetermined, and all the profits are known ahead of time. This ‘card counting’ thing just throws that all off.

Screw them. Go to vegas for the buffet, prime rib and crab legs.

How can actually paying attention to the game and knowing basic statistics be cheating?

This just shows what most folk already know. Casinos aren’t in the gambling business. They’re in the “taking your money” business.

Crazy!

blackjack’s a game of skill plain and simple. If you want to play a game of luck, go play the slot machines. I began counting cards the first time I ever sat down at a BJ table. It’s just second nature to me now. If I was to not count cards, it would be like playing the game blind folded. How much fun would that be???

I’ve improved my skill over the years. I used to just keep a main count, then I started keeping a side count of aces. Now I Keep a main count and 2 side counts plus keep my eye on the aces coming out, and this is a 6 deck. Can Very many people do this accurately if at all???

I would say not, Sometimes I even lose track of the second count. Anyway Is this cheating? I’m using my brain, thinking. How can that be cheating??

Besides, counting does not give the player a huge advantage like most would think and it’s not even a slow winning grind. It’s not like rain man, and if you think it is then you obviously never tried it before or for very long. No matter what your skill might be there will be big swings where your winning a lot and then times when you can’t do a damn think with the game and in the long run if you do indeed have an edge you will come out ahead.

Anyway, If a player is winning a lot of money (thousands)and keeps coming back winning more, I can understand the casino baring him, although I think a better approach would be to tell him he can only bet, say 2 or 3 times what the minimum bet is, or if they still feel he’s a threat, tell him he can’t raise his bet.

The casinos owe blackjack to counting and most of them are so stuped that they don’t even realize it. With out counting which started, I think back in the fifties, BJ woundn’t be nearly as big as it is today. All those sorry to say suckers that thought they could beat the system and win big and sadly most lost their shirts or if lucky just broke even and it’s still happening today. The casinos make more money from counters than they lose. Iv’e gone to Vegas 3 times now and never even make enough money to pay for all the expenses for my trip and I live as cheaply as possible. I’m just to afraid or chicken to play anymore than $20 which is a lot of money to me and knowing how turbulence the game is. I’ve also played a lot of hand held 1 or 2 deck with good rules for a long time. (never again) And guess what? a lot of those damn dealers cheat.(Seconds) You can’t spot them but they do. How do I know this? Once I had a A2 and the dealer said, “go ahead and d-down, I guaranty you’ll get an 8″ I said just give me a card and was amazed when it really was an 8. A few hands later I ask him, So what do you have now? He said very casually, “a 3″ Damn if he wasn’t right! It was indeed a 3. I was shocked and ask how he could have possible known this? He said, “Hey, I’ve been doing this for 7 years”

Do you think he’s the only dealer that can do this? Do you think most of the other dealers that can do this, do it to help the player? I think not! Is it alright that they the casinos can cheat us and we can’t even use skill with out being spied on???

You even have to watch it when your cashing in your chips that their paying you accuratly, especially when you’ve been dealt a blackjack. Ever notice that sometimes they’ll take a few nickels off your original bet and give you a quarter. I hate it when they do that!!! Sometimes their cheating you and you can’t figure out what the right amount should be with out losing track of the count and when they do make a mistake it’s usually in their favor. Why do you think that is? because sometimes their trying to cheat, that’s why. Sometimes when you do catch them, they don’t even apologize, Their not sorry, just sorry that they didn’t get by with it.

Maybe anyone that thinks card counting is cheating should think about that!!! The casinos have made a lot more money cheated the players threw out the years than the players has won from counting cards. Maybe they should have this system watching over the dealers to protect the players? I think that’s a much better approach and when they do make a mistake they should pay us 50% more of what the mistake would have cost us. If so, I think that would put a stop to their cheating (or mistakes) really fast. Oh wait a minute, I almost forgot, They the casinos don’t give a rats ass about us the customer, just are money!

This is a game of skill, as far as I’m concerned if your not counting cards and just playing basic stratigy at best which anyone can learn in just a few weeks if they tried, What fun would that be? Just a bunch of money going back and forth. If I was to chose not to think, I might as well be playing slots. If the casinos or to afraid to gamble with their money, then maybe they should go into another line of business, say selling groceries?

Sorry for being so long, could right a book about every thing I know about BJ, and maybe some day I will?

oh bullshit. let me define cheating for you:

“Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one’s own interest, and often at the expense of others,”

tell me, if the player isn’t privy to any information that any other player isn’t privy to, then the player does not have any exclusive advantage. you can argue that because not everyone has the mental capacity to count cards that the players brain gives him an unfair advantage, them you might as well say that a given athletes’ body gives him an ‘unfair advantage’.

you win at things by having the skill, inherent or acquired, to manifest favorable outcomes for yourself. so long as you are doing so using the same information that is available to all players, then you are not, by definition, even capable of cheating.

I can assume that Vegas would be interested in it, but I didn’t notice anything in the article that indicated Vegas was involved or the system is in use there, as this headline indicates.

Casino Owner : “Those bastards! I won’t stand for this kind of slightly less unfair advantage in MY casino!”