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	<title>Comments on: Legal battle over Shepard Fairey Obama poster takes an unexpected&#160;turn</title>
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		<title>By: kiddr01</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-616200</link>
		<dc:creator>kiddr01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it&#039;s ok to illustrate a photo. mostly.

But he&#039;s bumped off too many things in the past. 

nd jst by lkng t hm y cn tll h&#039;s  dchbg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it&#8217;s ok to illustrate a photo. mostly.</p>
<p>But he&#8217;s bumped off too many things in the past. </p>
<p>nd jst by lkng t hm y cn tll h&#8217;s  dchbg.</p>
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		<title>By: theawesomerobot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-615947</link>
		<dc:creator>theawesomerobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This stuff annoys the hell out of me on so many levels due to the sheer levels of ignorance involved.

First of all, tons of people are spouting fair use without actually having any idea of what fair use is. Fairy reproduced nearly the entire image, and the resulting artwork consists of almost solely that image. It&#039;d be much easier to argue fair use for the inauguration poster featuring this image, because it consists of multiple other components - but with fair use laws the size of the image and its role in the final piece of work are VERY important. 

So there&#039;s that point. Next up is Fairey&#039;s reputation; sure he can create a good looking image - but the guy has no common courtesy for fellow artists, many of whom he consistently rips off. &quot;They live in another country&quot; is not a proper excuse for neglecting to credit the original work. It&#039;s seemingly intentionally misleading to the viewer so that they hold Fairey in higher esteem, and if it&#039;s actually not the motive (which I sincerely doubt) then it&#039;s just sheer idiocy. So that being said, it&#039;s not like this was a momentary judgment lapse or a one time thing for Fairey - I can produce a list as long as my arm of artists/artwork that he&#039;s used, displayed in galleries, and sold as merchandise, that he hasn&#039;t even attempted to credit. He has no regard for the original artist until they actually pursue legal action. 

Hey, remember the time Fairey (or at least his legal entity) threatened to sue for a parody of his Obey giant image? (http://animalnewyork.com/2008/04/shepard-fairey-threatens-to-sue-artist-for-obey-giant-parody/) Bizarrely hypocritical, especially considering the artwork produced was actually a parody, which is protected by fair use depending on the circumstances - and that Baxter Orr was actually INSPIRED by and looked up to Fairey. 

There&#039;s a difference between a commercial artist and a street artist. You can be both, but you have to understand that they are both different worlds, you can&#039;t be a commercial artist without citing your work. Fairey seems to have no understanding of this, or just doesn&#039;t care. You can&#039;t say he didn&#039;t profit from this either, because he did. The fact that he donated his profits to a political campaign doesn&#039;t mean he donated them to charity - he profited directly, and used the money how he wished. If he donated the money to starving orphans, sure - that&#039;s great and entirely defendable. But he took an image and used it to push his personal political agenda.

I admit, he does gain some respect for actually apologizing - but honestly, if you think about it... what choice did he have? he lied himself into a corner and had no choice but to eat crow. He&#039;s done the same thing in the past, and I&#039;m certain he&#039;ll do it again in the future. He&#039;s just covering his ass while getting a ton of free publicity. It&#039;s actually pretty smart, but completely tactless - imagine all the goddamn money the courts and parties involved would be saving if the guy just purchased or asked permission to use the image. It just puts a bad taste in my mouth. Fairey&#039;s not putting up a fight for fair use - he&#039;s just using it as a platform to obtain support and the recent admission to lying makes this incredibly apparent. 

So overall, I get it - he&#039;s against establishment and that&#039;s his thing, he&#039;s out there getting arrested and missing gallery events in his honor (that were paid for by his fans who still love him unconditionally). Most of the time I&#039;m fine with that, you have license to be an ass, but his constant disregard for other artists just grinds my gears. You don&#039;t have to like them, but at least share some respect and decency within your professional community. Take a second and think about your work a bit more than how it&#039;s going to benefit yourself - even Andy Warhol could do that.

I&#039;ve made some character assumptions here supported by the facts provided, and honestly I wouldn&#039;t be entirely surprised if Fairey is actually a really nice guy. This is not a personal attack. I recommend that you get past the blind fanboyism and blind fair use support (actually go read about it) - and just look at the facts. 

And please, I beg of you, stop quoting Pablo Picasso. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This stuff annoys the hell out of me on so many levels due to the sheer levels of ignorance involved.</p>
<p>First of all, tons of people are spouting fair use without actually having any idea of what fair use is. Fairy reproduced nearly the entire image, and the resulting artwork consists of almost solely that image. It&#8217;d be much easier to argue fair use for the inauguration poster featuring this image, because it consists of multiple other components &#8211; but with fair use laws the size of the image and its role in the final piece of work are VERY important. </p>
<p>So there&#8217;s that point. Next up is Fairey&#8217;s reputation; sure he can create a good looking image &#8211; but the guy has no common courtesy for fellow artists, many of whom he consistently rips off. &#8220;They live in another country&#8221; is not a proper excuse for neglecting to credit the original work. It&#8217;s seemingly intentionally misleading to the viewer so that they hold Fairey in higher esteem, and if it&#8217;s actually not the motive (which I sincerely doubt) then it&#8217;s just sheer idiocy. So that being said, it&#8217;s not like this was a momentary judgment lapse or a one time thing for Fairey &#8211; I can produce a list as long as my arm of artists/artwork that he&#8217;s used, displayed in galleries, and sold as merchandise, that he hasn&#8217;t even attempted to credit. He has no regard for the original artist until they actually pursue legal action. </p>
<p>Hey, remember the time Fairey (or at least his legal entity) threatened to sue for a parody of his Obey giant image? (<a href="http://animalnewyork.com/2008/04/shepard-fairey-threatens-to-sue-artist-for-obey-giant-parody/" rel="nofollow">http://animalnewyork.com/2008/04/shepard-fairey-threatens-to-sue-artist-for-obey-giant-parody/</a>) Bizarrely hypocritical, especially considering the artwork produced was actually a parody, which is protected by fair use depending on the circumstances &#8211; and that Baxter Orr was actually INSPIRED by and looked up to Fairey. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between a commercial artist and a street artist. You can be both, but you have to understand that they are both different worlds, you can&#8217;t be a commercial artist without citing your work. Fairey seems to have no understanding of this, or just doesn&#8217;t care. You can&#8217;t say he didn&#8217;t profit from this either, because he did. The fact that he donated his profits to a political campaign doesn&#8217;t mean he donated them to charity &#8211; he profited directly, and used the money how he wished. If he donated the money to starving orphans, sure &#8211; that&#8217;s great and entirely defendable. But he took an image and used it to push his personal political agenda.</p>
<p>I admit, he does gain some respect for actually apologizing &#8211; but honestly, if you think about it&#8230; what choice did he have? he lied himself into a corner and had no choice but to eat crow. He&#8217;s done the same thing in the past, and I&#8217;m certain he&#8217;ll do it again in the future. He&#8217;s just covering his ass while getting a ton of free publicity. It&#8217;s actually pretty smart, but completely tactless &#8211; imagine all the goddamn money the courts and parties involved would be saving if the guy just purchased or asked permission to use the image. It just puts a bad taste in my mouth. Fairey&#8217;s not putting up a fight for fair use &#8211; he&#8217;s just using it as a platform to obtain support and the recent admission to lying makes this incredibly apparent. </p>
<p>So overall, I get it &#8211; he&#8217;s against establishment and that&#8217;s his thing, he&#8217;s out there getting arrested and missing gallery events in his honor (that were paid for by his fans who still love him unconditionally). Most of the time I&#8217;m fine with that, you have license to be an ass, but his constant disregard for other artists just grinds my gears. You don&#8217;t have to like them, but at least share some respect and decency within your professional community. Take a second and think about your work a bit more than how it&#8217;s going to benefit yourself &#8211; even Andy Warhol could do that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made some character assumptions here supported by the facts provided, and honestly I wouldn&#8217;t be entirely surprised if Fairey is actually a really nice guy. This is not a personal attack. I recommend that you get past the blind fanboyism and blind fair use support (actually go read about it) &#8211; and just look at the facts. </p>
<p>And please, I beg of you, stop quoting Pablo Picasso. </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Badger</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-615949</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost assuredly the WSJ stipple image (or &quot;hedcut&quot;) was from a photo -- I doubt Obama sat for his portrait! But I&#039;m sure the rights to the source photo were legally obtained by the WSJ -- it&#039;s a big business with millions to loose on lawsuits, not a graffiti artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost assuredly the WSJ stipple image (or &#8220;hedcut&#8221;) was from a photo &#8212; I doubt Obama sat for his portrait! But I&#8217;m sure the rights to the source photo were legally obtained by the WSJ &#8212; it&#8217;s a big business with millions to loose on lawsuits, not a graffiti artist.</p>
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		<title>By: cwclifford</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-616973</link>
		<dc:creator>cwclifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we now coin the term &quot;Fairey Use&quot;?

I&#039;m impressed BB that when the chickens came home to roost you didn&#039;t shoot them. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we now coin the term &#8220;Fairey Use&#8221;?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m impressed BB that when the chickens came home to roost you didn&#8217;t shoot them. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lenner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Lenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shepard should still have a case because of the changes he made.  Our world runs on money though and the AP has a lot more than Mr. Fairey does.

Re: Shepard not being original.  In the 70s the block screen print was used widely.  It wasn&#039;t anyone&#039;s.  I&#039;m not the only one who took the block screen print style forced by the peculiarities of the process and made paintings that mimicked the effect.  

It was a good stylized thing to do and belonged to nobody.  We all sold stuff on the street using it.

Much of the other stuff Shepard was supposed to have &#039;stolen&#039; according to one writer&#039;s assessment at the Boston Globe was also free range at various times.

One looks for differences within styles in art, unless, of course, one has a personal vendetta against a particular artist.  This apparently is something that has developed against Mr. Fairey as it does so often against anyone who helps Democrats or liberals.

I wrote on Shepard Fairey and those allegations at http://dotcommonsense.blog-city.com/boston_globes_cartoonist_attacks_obamas_poster_artist.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shepard should still have a case because of the changes he made.  Our world runs on money though and the AP has a lot more than Mr. Fairey does.</p>
<p>Re: Shepard not being original.  In the 70s the block screen print was used widely.  It wasn&#8217;t anyone&#8217;s.  I&#8217;m not the only one who took the block screen print style forced by the peculiarities of the process and made paintings that mimicked the effect.  </p>
<p>It was a good stylized thing to do and belonged to nobody.  We all sold stuff on the street using it.</p>
<p>Much of the other stuff Shepard was supposed to have &#8216;stolen&#8217; according to one writer&#8217;s assessment at the Boston Globe was also free range at various times.</p>
<p>One looks for differences within styles in art, unless, of course, one has a personal vendetta against a particular artist.  This apparently is something that has developed against Mr. Fairey as it does so often against anyone who helps Democrats or liberals.</p>
<p>I wrote on Shepard Fairey and those allegations at <a href="http://dotcommonsense.blog-city.com/boston_globes_cartoonist_attacks_obamas_poster_artist.htm" rel="nofollow">http://dotcommonsense.blog-city.com/boston_globes_cartoonist_attacks_obamas_poster_artist.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: theawesomerobot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-615951</link>
		<dc:creator>theawesomerobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and as a follow-up in regards to boingboing writers in general, and after reading some other comments addressing it directly - I know you guys hold Fairey in high-regard, so I appreciate the effort to report this in a non-biased manner. You guys continually show nothing but respect for your readers and subject matter. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and as a follow-up in regards to boingboing writers in general, and after reading some other comments addressing it directly &#8211; I know you guys hold Fairey in high-regard, so I appreciate the effort to report this in a non-biased manner. You guys continually show nothing but respect for your readers and subject matter. </p>
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		<title>By: mrgaric</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrgaric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mdh... The truth is the truth, not a smear. 
I respect BB, but the handling of this issue has been a bit off at best. If BB is supposed to shut down on weekends I apologize.

holtt is exactly correct. He has had more than ample time to man up. It was originally supposed to be a one off freebie. People would have understood. He blew it even if he is hip and cool and his adversary in court is a big impersonal company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mdh&#8230; The truth is the truth, not a smear.<br />
I respect BB, but the handling of this issue has been a bit off at best. If BB is supposed to shut down on weekends I apologize.</p>
<p>holtt is exactly correct. He has had more than ample time to man up. It was originally supposed to be a one off freebie. People would have understood. He blew it even if he is hip and cool and his adversary in court is a big impersonal company.</p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-615954</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conspiracy theorists:

Please remember that Boing Boing is not

* wikipedia
* Digg
* google news or similar aggregators, or
* a News Organization like CNN, NYT, etc.

Boing Boing is Boing Boing. 

Nowhere in this blog will you read a promise that we will always be first to post about a news story.

Nowhere in this blog will you read a promise that we blog as &quot;impartial journalists.&quot; You show me where that promise is, and I will fax you a fucking cookie.  

I have bias in this story, and i disclosed it right up top. I like the artist&#039;s work. We have mutual friends. He seems like a stand-up guy. I have no love for AP&#039;s extensive history of copyright bullying in other matters. All of that, right up at the top of the post.

I got word about this update on Friday morning from a friend who is close to Mr. Fairey. 

I reached out for more official word from various sources, and the news broke widely that afternoon. I was in the middle of moving my office and home, so was dealing with some personal upheaval -- not cranking out a lot of new posts that day. But also, wanted to take time before posting about this. 

To the extent that we have a shared ethos or guiding editorial principles here at Boing Boing, this is one such principle:

Do not post simply to be &quot;first.&quot; Particularly when you&#039;re talking about a news story, post when you have something to add to the story, some insight to reveal that isn&#039;t elsewhere. 

I took a couple days over the weekend (when I normally don&#039;t blog anyway) to think about my past posts on the story, and about what I know of Mr. Fairey as a human being.  I wanted to hear what others close to the case (EFF, legal experts) had to say. I wanted to hear what the AP would say. I read lots of coverage over the weekend. Then, I wrote this.

If that ain&#039;t good enough for you, you should stop reading Boing Boing right now.

Also: Boing Boing per se does not cover or think or write about or not write about anything. A group of individuals who blog at Boing Boing do. I am responsible for the content of this post. Pesco is responsible for the content of his earlier related post. And so on. We often share opinions, and we do sometimes discuss what we&#039;re writing about with each other, but there is no one &quot;voice of Boing Boing.&quot;

Also: we are all lizard people and we come from planet Zoltron to pwn you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conspiracy theorists:</p>
<p>Please remember that Boing Boing is not</p>
<p>* wikipedia<br />
* Digg<br />
* google news or similar aggregators, or<br />
* a News Organization like CNN, NYT, etc.</p>
<p>Boing Boing is Boing Boing. </p>
<p>Nowhere in this blog will you read a promise that we will always be first to post about a news story.</p>
<p>Nowhere in this blog will you read a promise that we blog as &#8220;impartial journalists.&#8221; You show me where that promise is, and I will fax you a fucking cookie.  </p>
<p>I have bias in this story, and i disclosed it right up top. I like the artist&#8217;s work. We have mutual friends. He seems like a stand-up guy. I have no love for AP&#8217;s extensive history of copyright bullying in other matters. All of that, right up at the top of the post.</p>
<p>I got word about this update on Friday morning from a friend who is close to Mr. Fairey. </p>
<p>I reached out for more official word from various sources, and the news broke widely that afternoon. I was in the middle of moving my office and home, so was dealing with some personal upheaval &#8212; not cranking out a lot of new posts that day. But also, wanted to take time before posting about this. </p>
<p>To the extent that we have a shared ethos or guiding editorial principles here at Boing Boing, this is one such principle:</p>
<p>Do not post simply to be &#8220;first.&#8221; Particularly when you&#8217;re talking about a news story, post when you have something to add to the story, some insight to reveal that isn&#8217;t elsewhere. </p>
<p>I took a couple days over the weekend (when I normally don&#8217;t blog anyway) to think about my past posts on the story, and about what I know of Mr. Fairey as a human being.  I wanted to hear what others close to the case (EFF, legal experts) had to say. I wanted to hear what the AP would say. I read lots of coverage over the weekend. Then, I wrote this.</p>
<p>If that ain&#8217;t good enough for you, you should stop reading Boing Boing right now.</p>
<p>Also: Boing Boing per se does not cover or think or write about or not write about anything. A group of individuals who blog at Boing Boing do. I am responsible for the content of this post. Pesco is responsible for the content of his earlier related post. And so on. We often share opinions, and we do sometimes discuss what we&#8217;re writing about with each other, but there is no one &#8220;voice of Boing Boing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also: we are all lizard people and we come from planet Zoltron to pwn you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is if you want to use an image that is not yours, then you should have the courtesy to ask permission to use it first. 
He&#039;s been around the block long enough to know how these things work - and when in doubt just ask rather than run the risk of being sued.It&#039;s common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is if you want to use an image that is not yours, then you should have the courtesy to ask permission to use it first.<br />
He&#8217;s been around the block long enough to know how these things work &#8211; and when in doubt just ask rather than run the risk of being sued.It&#8217;s common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Quothz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quothz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@theawesomerobot: &lt;i&gt;Should&lt;/i&gt;? I didn&#039;t say they should; I said it&#039;d be nice. Why? Because it would be a &lt;i&gt;nice thing to do&lt;/i&gt;. In any realistic sense, his painting doesn&#039;t hurt them as an organization. Fairey didn&#039;t make a profit off the painting, he just gained reputation, and it&#039;s not as though the AP took the photo in expectation of making a bundle from licensing derivative works from it. 

So they&#039;re within their rights to take the dispute to court, but there&#039;s something to be said for being magnanimous sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@theawesomerobot: <i>Should</i>? I didn&#8217;t say they should; I said it&#8217;d be nice. Why? Because it would be a <i>nice thing to do</i>. In any realistic sense, his painting doesn&#8217;t hurt them as an organization. Fairey didn&#8217;t make a profit off the painting, he just gained reputation, and it&#8217;s not as though the AP took the photo in expectation of making a bundle from licensing derivative works from it. </p>
<p>So they&#8217;re within their rights to take the dispute to court, but there&#8217;s something to be said for being magnanimous sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: AGC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGC</dc:creator>
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		<description>Dear Fairey, 

You owe us $.  Please pay.  

http://eng.plakaty.ru/i/plakats/medium/75.jpg

L E N I N 
U S S R , 
(Seriously, Fairey stole more from the Soviet than from AP.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Fairey, </p>
<p>You owe us $.  Please pay.  </p>
<p><a href="http://eng.plakaty.ru/i/plakats/medium/75.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://eng.plakaty.ru/i/plakats/medium/75.jpg</a></p>
<p>L E N I N<br />
U S S R ,<br />
(Seriously, Fairey stole more from the Soviet than from AP.) </p>
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		<title>By: mrgaric</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrgaric</dc:creator>
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		<description>Wow
????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow<br />
????</p>
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		<title>By: AJHart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-616730</link>
		<dc:creator>AJHart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xeni,
  Thank You. Your response was a breath of fresh air.  Besides it makes my rant on yesterdays post about &quot;Yes Men pwn Chamber of Commerce over climate change legislation&quot; look constrained.  I have yet to make a common practice of reading blogs, let alone posting replies, but in a world where I have long ago given up on any expectation of Journalistic integrity it is a beautiful thing to be offered the opportunity to interact with those who are willing to stand behind what they clearly profess as opinion.  Go get em!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xeni,<br />
  Thank You. Your response was a breath of fresh air.  Besides it makes my rant on yesterdays post about &#8220;Yes Men pwn Chamber of Commerce over climate change legislation&#8221; look constrained.  I have yet to make a common practice of reading blogs, let alone posting replies, but in a world where I have long ago given up on any expectation of Journalistic integrity it is a beautiful thing to be offered the opportunity to interact with those who are willing to stand behind what they clearly profess as opinion.  Go get em!</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandro Cima</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-616745</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandro Cima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know people through mutual friends who seemed like stand-up guys and turned out to be a-holes.

It&#039;s always best to call an a-hole an a-hole at every opportunity whether he or she&#039;s open source mash-up cool or not.

I think AP&#039;s legal actions amount to little more than calling Mr. Fairey an a-hole in public.

That&#039;s about the best the will come of all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know people through mutual friends who seemed like stand-up guys and turned out to be a-holes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always best to call an a-hole an a-hole at every opportunity whether he or she&#8217;s open source mash-up cool or not.</p>
<p>I think AP&#8217;s legal actions amount to little more than calling Mr. Fairey an a-hole in public.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s about the best the will come of all this.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-616235</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you take Fairey&#039;s poster art, rotate it, resized it, and overlay it on the photo, it&#039;s identical to the AP&#039;s photo. I don&#039;t see the creativity in importing a photograph into Adobe Illustrator, vectorizing the photo and then only changing a few color swatches to match the colors of the American flag. This process can be fully automated and doesn&#039;t take any talent to do this. The real victim here is the photographer who took the photo of Pres. Obama. I doubt he&#039;ll see anymore money from this greedy little squabble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you take Fairey&#8217;s poster art, rotate it, resized it, and overlay it on the photo, it&#8217;s identical to the AP&#8217;s photo. I don&#8217;t see the creativity in importing a photograph into Adobe Illustrator, vectorizing the photo and then only changing a few color swatches to match the colors of the American flag. This process can be fully automated and doesn&#8217;t take any talent to do this. The real victim here is the photographer who took the photo of Pres. Obama. I doubt he&#8217;ll see anymore money from this greedy little squabble.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-617261</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That poster is not art, it is an aesthetically pleasing rendering from a traced photo. Thousands of kids make &quot;art&quot; from traced photos that is easily on par with, or better than this hope poster, they just don&#039;t have the PR network to get their work noticed. I really don&#039;t get the hype. There are countless graf writers that would blow away this poser with crazy original skills as well as talented bedroom illustrators that don&#039;t have to trace in order to draw. Where is the support for these true artists? Why all the blind support for a half rate that relies on hype when all around us are kids who can&#039;t pay rent because they can&#039;t get noticed?
And honestly,those who compare someone as unoriginal as SF to Picasso should question their assumptions about art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That poster is not art, it is an aesthetically pleasing rendering from a traced photo. Thousands of kids make &#8220;art&#8221; from traced photos that is easily on par with, or better than this hope poster, they just don&#8217;t have the PR network to get their work noticed. I really don&#8217;t get the hype. There are countless graf writers that would blow away this poser with crazy original skills as well as talented bedroom illustrators that don&#8217;t have to trace in order to draw. Where is the support for these true artists? Why all the blind support for a half rate that relies on hype when all around us are kids who can&#8217;t pay rent because they can&#8217;t get noticed?<br />
And honestly,those who compare someone as unoriginal as SF to Picasso should question their assumptions about art.</p>
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		<title>By: spanish pantalones</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-617010</link>
		<dc:creator>spanish pantalones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fairey sued the Associated Press, not the other way around. Lying in a defensive panic is understandble, though not excuseable. Bringing a lawsuit on fabricated evidence is unacceptable. Anyways, if the AP is right, this looks more like a deliberately executed and carefully planned scheme than some panicked lapse in judgment. And his &quot;confession&quot; could have been motivated by the desire to clear his conscience. An alterative explanation could be that he wants to avoid prosecution. This is not good for Shepard, and I hope he finds good legal help. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairey sued the Associated Press, not the other way around. Lying in a defensive panic is understandble, though not excuseable. Bringing a lawsuit on fabricated evidence is unacceptable. Anyways, if the AP is right, this looks more like a deliberately executed and carefully planned scheme than some panicked lapse in judgment. And his &#8220;confession&#8221; could have been motivated by the desire to clear his conscience. An alterative explanation could be that he wants to avoid prosecution. This is not good for Shepard, and I hope he finds good legal help. </p>
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		<title>By: mlle.mika</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-615987</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thing is ridiculous. It&#039;s poster art. It is based on a real image. Since when is using a photographic reference to make your work a copyright infringement?!

If that photo was in someone&#039;s facebook album, no one would have batted an eyelid. 

Obviously Fairey panicked and screwed up, but seriously. 
I guess the more things change...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing is ridiculous. It&#8217;s poster art. It is based on a real image. Since when is using a photographic reference to make your work a copyright infringement?!</p>
<p>If that photo was in someone&#8217;s facebook album, no one would have batted an eyelid. </p>
<p>Obviously Fairey panicked and screwed up, but seriously.<br />
I guess the more things change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-615990</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;good artists copy great artists steal&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;good artists copy great artists steal&#8221;<br />
&#8211;picaso</p>
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		<title>By: bolamig</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-615993</link>
		<dc:creator>bolamig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AP the giant has a posse</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-616004</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree totally. Political art depends a lot on the images provided by the press. Political art also depends on images that are fresh in the viewers&#039; minds so the connection resonates deeply and makes the most impact.
Fairey isn&#039;t the first famous, money making artist to re-use the published photograph of another. Rauschenburg silk screened news paper photos, as did Warhol. Warhol&#039;s Campbell&#039;s soup can paintings that have become iconic.
I don&#039;t mean to defend the fact he was not just being up front about the whole thing. However, I really think there is a strong argument for allowing freedom for an artist to transcend the physical information and take it further, using a different medium, and adding some of his/her own understanding/vision/even soul (in the best work), to the original. This should be a cultural given in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree totally. Political art depends a lot on the images provided by the press. Political art also depends on images that are fresh in the viewers&#8217; minds so the connection resonates deeply and makes the most impact.<br />
Fairey isn&#8217;t the first famous, money making artist to re-use the published photograph of another. Rauschenburg silk screened news paper photos, as did Warhol. Warhol&#8217;s Campbell&#8217;s soup can paintings that have become iconic.<br />
I don&#8217;t mean to defend the fact he was not just being up front about the whole thing. However, I really think there is a strong argument for allowing freedom for an artist to transcend the physical information and take it further, using a different medium, and adding some of his/her own understanding/vision/even soul (in the best work), to the original. This should be a cultural given in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-616263</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This case is another example of why you should never have dealings with US companies.  Where I live, such a poster would be a political statement and therefore exempt from copyright laws.  This only proves that there is no such thing as freedom of expression in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This case is another example of why you should never have dealings with US companies.  Where I live, such a poster would be a political statement and therefore exempt from copyright laws.  This only proves that there is no such thing as freedom of expression in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Daneel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-617291</link>
		<dc:creator>Daneel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anonymous.

Luther Blissett? The footballer?</description>
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<p>Luther Blissett? The footballer?</p>
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		<title>By: Quothz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-616013</link>
		<dc:creator>Quothz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame on him for lying, good for him for owning up. My feeling on the copyright matter in general, however, is that regardless of the legal issues, the man took an ordinary workaday photo and made a great work of art. He will not be remembered for the controversy but for the painting.

I kind of feel bad that he&#039;s been caught up in this. It &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be nice if the AP would back down and simply enjoy the fact that they paid the guy who took a photo that helped inspire an iconic work of our time. But I&#039;m not losing any sleep over it; by all accounts, he&#039;s a bit of an ass, and whatever comes of this, his reputation as an artist will not suffer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame on him for lying, good for him for owning up. My feeling on the copyright matter in general, however, is that regardless of the legal issues, the man took an ordinary workaday photo and made a great work of art. He will not be remembered for the controversy but for the painting.</p>
<p>I kind of feel bad that he&#8217;s been caught up in this. It <i>would</i> be nice if the AP would back down and simply enjoy the fact that they paid the guy who took a photo that helped inspire an iconic work of our time. But I&#8217;m not losing any sleep over it; by all accounts, he&#8217;s a bit of an ass, and whatever comes of this, his reputation as an artist will not suffer.</p>
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		<title>By: poppymann</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/19/shepard-fairey-ap-ba.html#comment-616271</link>
		<dc:creator>poppymann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the reactions here seem to be delineate between &quot;art&quot; and photography. If you&#039;re telling me Fairey&#039;s copy/remix/whatever is art, then the photo itself is also a work of art. The difference being that the photo is &quot;work for hire&quot; which somehow lessens it&#039;s artistic worth. In the past Fairey&#039;s work would be discounted for being derivative, yet in today&#039;s world of recycled culture it is characterized as brilliant. The Obama work is simply a rehash of the Obey poster. I find it neither interesting nor creative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the reactions here seem to be delineate between &#8220;art&#8221; and photography. If you&#8217;re telling me Fairey&#8217;s copy/remix/whatever is art, then the photo itself is also a work of art. The difference being that the photo is &#8220;work for hire&#8221; which somehow lessens it&#8217;s artistic worth. In the past Fairey&#8217;s work would be discounted for being derivative, yet in today&#8217;s world of recycled culture it is characterized as brilliant. The Obama work is simply a rehash of the Obey poster. I find it neither interesting nor creative.</p>
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		<title>By: benher</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It shouldn&#039;t have gone to trial in the first place. Artists have enough to worry about when it comes to making a living, even when we live in times of fat... and here we are living in the lean. 

I&#039;m sure the neo-cons are grunting and squealing with delight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It shouldn&#8217;t have gone to trial in the first place. Artists have enough to worry about when it comes to making a living, even when we live in times of fat&#8230; and here we are living in the lean. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the neo-cons are grunting and squealing with delight.</p>
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		<title>By: thebelgianpanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebelgianpanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of story + this kind of response from Xeni is *precisely* why I read boingboing.  Think about it--well reasoned, thoughtful content from real, honest, hard working lizard folk. If any of you are ever in Coburg OR I&#039;ll happily buy you all a Zoltronian Stink Tonic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of story + this kind of response from Xeni is *precisely* why I read boingboing.  Think about it&#8211;well reasoned, thoughtful content from real, honest, hard working lizard folk. If any of you are ever in Coburg OR I&#8217;ll happily buy you all a Zoltronian Stink Tonic.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex_M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fairey filed the lawsuit against the AP first, so while the AP have certainly been assholes in the past, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to portray them as the bullies in this case. 

I&#039;d be the first to agree that the original photo is not particularity interesting, and that Fairey&#039;s work has a greater &#039;artistic height&#039; than the AP photo.

That said, it&#039;s pretty clearly a derivative work in the legal sense of the word. A professional artist like Fairey should&#039;ve known better to use an image he didn&#039;t have the rights to. The fact that it&#039;s a fairly dime-a-dozen image of Obama isn&#039;t an excuse. (You&#039;d think that&#039;d make it all the easier for him to find an image he had the rights to, a Free-as-in-speech one if necessary)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairey filed the lawsuit against the AP first, so while the AP have certainly been assholes in the past, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to portray them as the bullies in this case. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be the first to agree that the original photo is not particularity interesting, and that Fairey&#8217;s work has a greater &#8216;artistic height&#8217; than the AP photo.</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s pretty clearly a derivative work in the legal sense of the word. A professional artist like Fairey should&#8217;ve known better to use an image he didn&#8217;t have the rights to. The fact that it&#8217;s a fairly dime-a-dozen image of Obama isn&#8217;t an excuse. (You&#8217;d think that&#8217;d make it all the easier for him to find an image he had the rights to, a Free-as-in-speech one if necessary)</p>
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		<title>By: ThrashCowboy666</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThrashCowboy666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shprd Fry cn t  dck.

http://animalnewyork.com/2008/04/shepard-fairey-threatens-to-sue-artist-for-obey-giant-parody/

http://www.theeastsiderla.com/2009/08/shepard-fairey-tags-eastsider-as.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shprd Fry cn t  dck.</p>
<p><a href="http://animalnewyork.com/2008/04/shepard-fairey-threatens-to-sue-artist-for-obey-giant-parody/" rel="nofollow">http://animalnewyork.com/2008/04/shepard-fairey-threatens-to-sue-artist-for-obey-giant-parody/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.theeastsiderla.com/2009/08/shepard-fairey-tags-eastsider-as.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theeastsiderla.com/2009/08/shepard-fairey-tags-eastsider-as.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@thebelgianpanda, it&#039;s a deal. Also, &lt;em&gt;areiur tqpe adfkngad eiuty3in fkjgdk asga;ksjg&lt;/em&gt; (use your Lizard People decoder ring)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@thebelgianpanda, it&#8217;s a deal. Also, <em>areiur tqpe adfkngad eiuty3in fkjgdk asga;ksjg</em> (use your Lizard People decoder ring)</p>
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