Comments on: Scans of Google Books with fingers in them http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 23 May 2013 00:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: SKR http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618756 SKR Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618756 I have to agree with Zaren. Better than minimum wage for mindless and full time work doesn't sound all that bad. Especially, if you can produce shoddy work such as this. I have to agree with Zaren. Better than minimum wage for mindless and full time work doesn’t sound all that bad. Especially, if you can produce shoddy work such as this.

]]> By: JJR1971 http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618782 JJR1971 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618782 Looks like a feminine finger, and slightly wrinkled due to moisture exposure? Looks like a feminine finger, and slightly wrinkled due to moisture exposure?

]]> By: danlalan http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618791 danlalan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618791 or wearing a slightly too big pink rubber glove... or wearing a slightly too big pink rubber glove…

]]> By: misterjuju http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-619047 misterjuju Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-619047 So the book in the example pic, is that the Koran? Or something? It seems bible-y, or like rules to live by from a dozen or so centuries ago. So the book in the example pic, is that the Koran? Or something? It seems bible-y, or like rules to live by from a dozen or so centuries ago.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-619069 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-619069 That is not an uncovered finger. That is not an uncovered finger.

]]> By: Stewart Haddock http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618576 Stewart Haddock Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618576 If you have ever taken an animation class, you can appreciate how difficult it is to take hundreds of pictures while making sure you hands are out of the frame every time. If you have ever taken an animation class, you can appreciate how difficult it is to take hundreds of pictures while making sure you hands are out of the frame every time.

]]> By: aagblog http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618836 aagblog Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618836 They're using finger cots: http://www.fingercots.net/ They’re using finger cots: http://www.fingercots.net/

]]> By: candycritic http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618840 candycritic Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618840 I think they should compile these pictures into a book, then scan it and offer it on google books. I think they should compile these pictures into a book, then scan it and offer it on google books.

]]> By: sonascope http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618591 sonascope Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618591 I worked in the microfilm business for nearly twenty years, and you could always tell which shops used the foot-pedal plugs on their planetary microfilm cameras because of all the hands and fingers showing up in their frames. Use the shutter button on the side of the camera deck and you can only have the problem if your form is grossly poor. I left the business when the last bureau I worked for went all digital, and the new digital whiz-kids all decided that no one who'd worked with clunky old microfilm could possibly know anything about document handling and high-speed capture. Progress, I suppose, and one day anthropologists will probably study those fingers. I worked in the microfilm business for nearly twenty years, and you could always tell which shops used the foot-pedal plugs on their planetary microfilm cameras because of all the hands and fingers showing up in their frames. Use the shutter button on the side of the camera deck and you can only have the problem if your form is grossly poor. I left the business when the last bureau I worked for went all digital, and the new digital whiz-kids all decided that no one who’d worked with clunky old microfilm could possibly know anything about document handling and high-speed capture. Progress, I suppose, and one day anthropologists will probably study those fingers.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618848 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618848 I thought they used automatic scanning machines? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oOXXpxzETA I thought they used automatic scanning machines?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oOXXpxzETA

]]> By: celestialcereal http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618603 celestialcereal Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618603 I work at Emory University digitizing books, that makes me part of the "massive, anonymous and underpaid effort". Here is an example of our work on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Christus-auctor-manual-Christian-evidences/dp/1606020439/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256237751&sr=1-1 Google may have a larger operation, but they are lacking in quality to an almost shocking degree. Most of my time is spent checking and rechecking the books we scan to make sure all the pages are there, the type is legible and that there are NO FINGERS. What good is an e-book if you can't read it? Makes me very proud of the work me and my team of 3 do every day. And Stewart, I know it's not the same as animation, but I take thousands of pictures every day and I still manage to notice when my fingers get in there. I work at Emory University digitizing books, that makes me part of the “massive, anonymous and underpaid effort”. Here is an example of our work on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Christus-auctor-manual-Christian-evidences/dp/1606020439/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256237751&sr=1-1 Google may have a larger operation, but they are lacking in quality to an almost shocking degree. Most of my time is spent checking and rechecking the books we scan to make sure all the pages are there, the type is legible and that there are NO FINGERS. What good is an e-book if you can’t read it? Makes me very proud of the work me and my team of 3 do every day. And Stewart, I know it’s not the same as animation, but I take thousands of pictures every day and I still manage to notice when my fingers get in there.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618632 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618632 I'm not sure that's a finger. I’m not sure that’s a finger.

]]> By: SKR http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618658 SKR Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618658 Just curious, how do you come to the conclusion that these people are underpaid? Just curious, how do you come to the conclusion that these people are underpaid?

]]> By: OoOoOo http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618922 OoOoOo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618922 This totally freaked me out when I first saw it a year or two ago...it looks like the same woman's finger, but in need of a manicure: It's on the 12th page down (not number-wise / scan-wise): http://books.google.com/books?id=GidlfyJ4_McC&dq=the+devil%27s+pool&pg=PP1&ots=rsH4CqA5OC&sig=beUs9fZcBIYWi73eMinQuNU9GPo&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?q=the+devil%27s+pool&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#v=onepage&q=&f=false This totally freaked me out when I first saw it a year or two ago…it looks like the same woman’s finger, but in need of a manicure:

It’s on the 12th page down (not number-wise / scan-wise):

http://books.google.com/books?id=GidlfyJ4_McC&dq=the+devil%27s+pool&pg=PP1&ots=rsH4CqA5OC&sig=beUs9fZcBIYWi73eMinQuNU9GPo&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?q=the+devil%27s+pool&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#v=onepage&q=&f=false

]]> By: Vinayak http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618668 Vinayak Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618668 In the Google copy of 'Travels in Kashmir And The Panjab, from German of Baron Charles Hugel. Published 1945',you can find a 'O yea!', hand scribbled next to the lines describing the Hindu festival of Holi, right next to the lines: <a href="http://8ate.blogspot.com/2009/03/colourful-history-of-holi-o-yea.html">"Spirits are drank, and the amusements are then carried far beyond our European ideas of propriety, but the Hindu thinks no harm of them." </a> In the Google copy of ‘Travels in Kashmir And The Panjab, from German of Baron Charles Hugel. Published 1945′,you can find a ‘O yea!’, hand scribbled next to the lines describing the Hindu festival of Holi, right next to the lines:
“Spirits are drank, and the amusements are then carried far beyond our European ideas of propriety, but the Hindu thinks no harm of them.”

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618934 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618934 True, this is an underappreciated job, but even more interesting is the fact that every single day, we ALL contribute to Google's ongoing book scanning project. Everyone who commented on this post, for example, helped out...perhaps without even knowing it! Whenever you submit a CAPTCHA--those random, funny-looking words you need to type in to prove you're a human on a lot of sites--you're solving a word problem that tripped up Google's book-scanning computers. Sometimes the text is blurred or warped, and Google's bots can't "read" a word the same way a human can. So they partner with third parties to feed those words into a randomized CAPTCHA system and crowdsource the task for double-benefit, in a situation where everyone wins: Web sites can reliably tell human from spammer Google fills in the blanks where only a human will do Pretty awesome! True, this is an underappreciated job, but even more interesting is the fact that every single day, we ALL contribute to Google’s ongoing book scanning project. Everyone who commented on this post, for example, helped out…perhaps without even knowing it!

Whenever you submit a CAPTCHA–those random, funny-looking words you need to type in to prove you’re a human on a lot of sites–you’re solving a word problem that tripped up Google’s book-scanning computers. Sometimes the text is blurred or warped, and Google’s bots can’t “read” a word the same way a human can. So they partner with third parties to feed those words into a randomized CAPTCHA system and crowdsource the task for double-benefit, in a situation where everyone wins:

Web sites can reliably tell human from spammer
Google fills in the blanks where only a human will do

Pretty awesome!

]]> By: Gloria http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618682 Gloria Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618682 I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that. I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought that.

]]> By: celestialcereal http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618691 celestialcereal Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618691 Trust me, we are underpaid. Not to mention the fact that in my library, they just fired all of our desktop support, systems, and took away our cost of living raises for the foreseeable future. I'm very lucky to even have my job. Trust me, we are underpaid. Not to mention the fact that in my library, they just fired all of our desktop support, systems, and took away our cost of living raises for the foreseeable future. I’m very lucky to even have my job.

]]> By: Zaren http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618692 Zaren Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618692 I spent a few months working in a Google Books scanner shop through a temp placement service. I wouldn't have called myself "underpaid" (it was over minimum wage, at least), but it was pretty intense work. There was a really hard push to get a massive page count every night with a minimum of errors. I was at about the six week mark before I started hitting page count requirements on a regular basis, working 8 hours, 5 days. I think I was scanning 12,000 pages a night when I left. Still, we got two 15 minute breaks, and one half hour lunch. Free Internet access from managed desktop machines, and free drinks and snacks from open fridges, in the Google style. It was a badge in, put on the headphones, plop down at your station, and turn off the brain kind of job. Could have done worse. I spent a few months working in a Google Books scanner shop through a temp placement service. I wouldn’t have called myself “underpaid” (it was over minimum wage, at least), but it was pretty intense work. There was a really hard push to get a massive page count every night with a minimum of errors. I was at about the six week mark before I started hitting page count requirements on a regular basis, working 8 hours, 5 days. I think I was scanning 12,000 pages a night when I left.

Still, we got two 15 minute breaks, and one half hour lunch. Free Internet access from managed desktop machines, and free drinks and snacks from open fridges, in the Google style. It was a badge in, put on the headphones, plop down at your station, and turn off the brain kind of job. Could have done worse.

]]> By: apoxia http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618953 apoxia Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618953 Surely most people's fingers look the same when photographed in gloves/finger cots? Surely most people’s fingers look the same when photographed in gloves/finger cots?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618705 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618705 It's soul sucking work in the long term - as such *any* amount is too little after awhile. I'm surprised it's taken this long for anyone to notice the fingers...I worked on this project a few years ago, and scans of fingers were just short of ubiquitous even back then. It’s soul sucking work in the long term – as such *any* amount is too little after awhile.

I’m surprised it’s taken this long for anyone to notice the fingers…I worked on this project a few years ago, and scans of fingers were just short of ubiquitous even back then.

]]> By: octopod http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618963 octopod Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618963 darn that rly is awesome, didn't know that, cheers! darn that rly is awesome, didn’t know that, cheers!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618973 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618973 Those are pink 'finger condomns' they wear to prevent oils from getting from your fingers to the books. Those are pink ‘finger condomns’ they wear to prevent oils from getting from your fingers to the books.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-619233 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-619233 Yeah, not too many of their vaunted PhDs doing that work. It just goes to show you, massive captital (financial or intellectual), massive numbers of drones. GM, Google, whatever. I've been a drone, it's not so bad, but I'm glad it was temporary. I think it would eventually grind down your soul. Employers of drones have an obligation to provide opportunities to them, not just sodas. I don't know if Google does or not. I doubt it. I'm talking about paid tuition, training for advanced positions, etc. Uncle Sam does it for their drones (GIs). You get all the free tuition you can eat, and you get the GI Bill when you leave. Yeah, not too many of their vaunted PhDs doing that work. It just goes to show you, massive captital (financial or intellectual), massive numbers of drones. GM, Google, whatever.

I’ve been a drone, it’s not so bad, but I’m glad it was temporary. I think it would eventually grind down your soul.

Employers of drones have an obligation to provide opportunities to them, not just sodas. I don’t know if Google does or not. I doubt it. I’m talking about paid tuition, training for advanced positions, etc. Uncle Sam does it for their drones (GIs). You get all the free tuition you can eat, and you get the GI Bill when you leave.

]]> By: octopod http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-619252 octopod Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-619252 no idea. but it is troubling, filling the google AI's heads with "perpetual torments..please god..wicked word .. sordid lucre" is so going to bite us in the ass when they become self aware. no idea. but it is troubling, filling the google AI’s heads with “perpetual torments..please god..wicked word .. sordid lucre” is so going to bite us in the ass when they become self aware.

]]> By: xzzy http://boingboing.net/2009/10/22/scans-of-google-book.html#comment-618751 xzzy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-618751 One would think with as much brainpower as Google claims to have in their compound, one of them would have thought to do a scan of each image for a big pink blob. If yes, flag for rescanning. If no, continue. One would think with as much brainpower as Google claims to have in their compound, one of them would have thought to do a scan of each image for a big pink blob.

If yes, flag for rescanning. If no, continue.

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