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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-627456</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve already set up a system to weed out fake requests with predictive model to guess the most probably locations.  I will be giving out $27,750 to 30 people.  If you guys would be interested let me know.

The site is http://3dstoneage.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already set up a system to weed out fake requests with predictive model to guess the most probably locations.  I will be giving out $27,750 to 30 people.  If you guys would be interested let me know.</p>
<p>The site is <a href="http://3dstoneage.com" rel="nofollow">http://3dstoneage.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623876</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smonkey,

Congratulations.  You now have an e-mail address that will get 10K pieces of spam per day as the bots search BB comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smonkey,</p>
<p>Congratulations.  You now have an e-mail address that will get 10K pieces of spam per day as the bots search BB comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Zan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-624134</link>
		<dc:creator>Zan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ted8305 There will be DARPA reps attending each balloon. The rules don&#039;t cover popping, but it does say that if a balloon cannot be deployed then there will be only 9 balloons needed to win and if a balloon must be moved that both locations will count.

@LittleJohn Actually, the flight time depends on time zone. 6 hours EST, 7 hours CST, 8 hours MST, and 9 hours PST.

Also note that the submitter must pay income tax on the prize, so the distribution would be significantly less than $40k. Still, I would also propose that if BoingBoing puts together a team that half the money would go to the EFF and the rest split between the first submitters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ted8305 There will be DARPA reps attending each balloon. The rules don&#8217;t cover popping, but it does say that if a balloon cannot be deployed then there will be only 9 balloons needed to win and if a balloon must be moved that both locations will count.</p>
<p>@LittleJohn Actually, the flight time depends on time zone. 6 hours EST, 7 hours CST, 8 hours MST, and 9 hours PST.</p>
<p>Also note that the submitter must pay income tax on the prize, so the distribution would be significantly less than $40k. Still, I would also propose that if BoingBoing puts together a team that half the money would go to the EFF and the rest split between the first submitters.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted8305</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623625</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted8305</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe DARPA got a little jealous of the Heenes?

&lt;i&gt;10 roter Wetterballons
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont
Hielt man fuer UFOs aus dem All
Es war ein Medien-Notfall
Eine Bloggerrstaffel hinterher
Alarm zu geben, wenn es so war
Dabei war da am Horizont
Nur 10 roter Wetterballoons&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe DARPA got a little jealous of the Heenes?</p>
<p><i>10 roter Wetterballons<br />
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont<br />
Hielt man fuer UFOs aus dem All<br />
Es war ein Medien-Notfall<br />
Eine Bloggerrstaffel hinterher<br />
Alarm zu geben, wenn es so war<br />
Dabei war da am Horizont<br />
Nur 10 roter Wetterballoons</i></p>
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		<title>By: Scuba SM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623881</link>
		<dc:creator>Scuba SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smonkey,

I&#039;m in. I&#039;ll keep an eye peeled for balloons in the suburbs of Detroit and the Ann Arbor area. I&#039;ll fire off an email if I see anything.

On a related note, wouldn&#039;t it be hilarious if 4Chan found all the balloons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smonkey,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in. I&#8217;ll keep an eye peeled for balloons in the suburbs of Detroit and the Ann Arbor area. I&#8217;ll fire off an email if I see anything.</p>
<p>On a related note, wouldn&#8217;t it be hilarious if 4Chan found all the balloons?</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-630042</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous: Your idea looks pretty good, but it will take you tree times as long as any other team to submit the answer.

Also, how do you prevent against the same person submitting three times?

Finally, you are anonymous here and I don&#039;t see your name and contact details anywhere on your site. What makes you think people will trust you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous: Your idea looks pretty good, but it will take you tree times as long as any other team to submit the answer.</p>
<p>Also, how do you prevent against the same person submitting three times?</p>
<p>Finally, you are anonymous here and I don&#8217;t see your name and contact details anywhere on your site. What makes you think people will trust you?</p>
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		<title>By: Concept</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-625186</link>
		<dc:creator>Concept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand how it will be possible to verify all 10 balloons location in a number of hours.

I forsee a lot of fake twittering as well. People saying they saw balloons etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how it will be possible to verify all 10 balloons location in a number of hours.</p>
<p>I forsee a lot of fake twittering as well. People saying they saw balloons etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623909</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the war machine got upset about 99 red balloons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the war machine got upset about 99 red balloons.</p>
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		<title>By: anansi133</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-625708</link>
		<dc:creator>anansi133</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> If I were part of a group who could tackle this challenge, our anonymity would be far more valuable than a mere $40,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> If I were part of a group who could tackle this challenge, our anonymity would be far more valuable than a mere $40,000.</p>
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		<title>By: ciregh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-656173</link>
		<dc:creator>ciregh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This team seems to be the most organized so far:
http://balloon.media.mit.edu/speigg
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This team seems to be the most organized so far:<br />
<a href="http://balloon.media.mit.edu/speigg" rel="nofollow">http://balloon.media.mit.edu/speigg</a></p>
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		<title>By: dasanjos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-624691</link>
		<dc:creator>dasanjos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why I &lt;3 BB! Discovering new wonderful things!
Thanks for sharing this awesome movie!

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why I &lt;3 BB! Discovering new wonderful things!<br />
Thanks for sharing this awesome movie!</p>
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		<title>By: Ted8305</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623925</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted8305</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scuba SM, @Sceadugenga: What if anonymous was the one to plant fake red balloons?  I&#039;m also curious what happens if a balloon pops.  Will somebody from DARPA rush out and replace it right away?

Oh, also, THE GAME.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scuba SM, @Sceadugenga: What if anonymous was the one to plant fake red balloons?  I&#8217;m also curious what happens if a balloon pops.  Will somebody from DARPA rush out and replace it right away?</p>
<p>Oh, also, THE GAME.</p>
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		<title>By: plasmator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623926</link>
		<dc:creator>plasmator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ sceadugenga - That was my first thought as well.

Now, where to get a bunch of Red weather balloons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ sceadugenga &#8211; That was my first thought as well.</p>
<p>Now, where to get a bunch of Red weather balloons?</p>
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		<title>By: ispyred</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-655681</link>
		<dc:creator>ispyred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a nice team (I Spy a Red Balloon) that is giving all of the prize money to charity (Red Cross).  If you see a red balloon in the sky on Dec. 5th, let us know at:

http://www.ispyaredballoon.com/
or at facebook
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=201028633372
or
text: (262) I-SPY-SPY (262-477-9779)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a nice team (I Spy a Red Balloon) that is giving all of the prize money to charity (Red Cross).  If you see a red balloon in the sky on Dec. 5th, let us know at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ispyaredballoon.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ispyaredballoon.com/</a><br />
or at facebook<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=201028633372" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=201028633372</a><br />
or<br />
text: (262) I-SPY-SPY (262-477-9779)</p>
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		<title>By: Axx</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623938</link>
		<dc:creator>Axx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DARPA Challenge: Find 10 Red Balloons!

DARPA Internal Report: How Problematic Will the Internet Be in the Event of a Civil War?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DARPA Challenge: Find 10 Red Balloons!</p>
<p>DARPA Internal Report: How Problematic Will the Internet Be in the Event of a Civil War?</p>
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		<title>By: JoshuaTerrell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623945</link>
		<dc:creator>JoshuaTerrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was doing about 3 months before this comment. I am angry.

THE GAME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was doing about 3 months before this comment. I am angry.</p>
<p>THE GAME.</p>
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		<title>By: El Zilcho</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623692</link>
		<dc:creator>El Zilcho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Love Bees
I mean Balloons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Love Bees<br />
I mean Balloons</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-651344</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget splitting the money- it&#039;s not worth it after taxes/how do you judge the likelihood that one team is more likely to win than the other, there&#039;s not enough time/money to invest in a strong enough infrastructure. 

We&#039;ve got a better idea. Forget splitting the money- If we win we&#039;re going to use it to build a giant 30&#039; tall flying cupcake entirely out of balloons. Seriously! Go see for yourself-

http://findtheredballoons.com/

And if you want, you can even fly a cupcake over most any website you want using our flying cupcake-inator: http://airigami.com/cupcake/ 

Life is too short, lets have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget splitting the money- it&#8217;s not worth it after taxes/how do you judge the likelihood that one team is more likely to win than the other, there&#8217;s not enough time/money to invest in a strong enough infrastructure. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got a better idea. Forget splitting the money- If we win we&#8217;re going to use it to build a giant 30&#8242; tall flying cupcake entirely out of balloons. Seriously! Go see for yourself-</p>
<p><a href="http://findtheredballoons.com/" rel="nofollow">http://findtheredballoons.com/</a></p>
<p>And if you want, you can even fly a cupcake over most any website you want using our flying cupcake-inator: <a href="http://airigami.com/cupcake/" rel="nofollow">http://airigami.com/cupcake/</a> </p>
<p>Life is too short, lets have fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-653658</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™ve established a team of my own, called Team DeciNena. We will win because we have the wittiest name. ;)

And we are â€œcupcake-freeâ€.

No, seriously, whomever wins will be using a mixture of all sorts of tactics from team recruiting to passive data mining. I&#039;m sure there will be a lot of disinformation out there, and it will be important to combat it.

The tax issues are solveable -- by running it through my LLC, I don&#039;t have to pay gross taxes on the income that I immediately turn around and pay out to the team members. Each of them is liable for taxes, but only on their smaller amount, which due to the progressive rate schedule, usually works out for the better.

Join us, it&#039;s free, and you could actually win something. We&#039;re even sharing some reward money with those team participants who DON&#039;T themselves find a balloon.

http://decinena.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™ve established a team of my own, called Team DeciNena. We will win because we have the wittiest name. ;)</p>
<p>And we are â€œcupcake-freeâ€.</p>
<p>No, seriously, whomever wins will be using a mixture of all sorts of tactics from team recruiting to passive data mining. I&#8217;m sure there will be a lot of disinformation out there, and it will be important to combat it.</p>
<p>The tax issues are solveable &#8212; by running it through my LLC, I don&#8217;t have to pay gross taxes on the income that I immediately turn around and pay out to the team members. Each of them is liable for taxes, but only on their smaller amount, which due to the progressive rate schedule, usually works out for the better.</p>
<p>Join us, it&#8217;s free, and you could actually win something. We&#8217;re even sharing some reward money with those team participants who DON&#8217;T themselves find a balloon.</p>
<p><a href="http://decinena.com" rel="nofollow">http://decinena.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623711</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey: since this is clearly an experiment about team-building, why don&#039;t we make a BoingBoing team? People can post if they see a balloon or otherwise know of its location, and then ten people who post correct locations can split the prize. Maybe $1000 to BB as well.

Of course, then all the other elements of this experiment come into play. For instance, it should probably be on an invite-only forum, so that passer&#039;s-by who stumble on this thread wouldn&#039;t find out the locations of the nine balloons already posted here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey: since this is clearly an experiment about team-building, why don&#8217;t we make a BoingBoing team? People can post if they see a balloon or otherwise know of its location, and then ten people who post correct locations can split the prize. Maybe $1000 to BB as well.</p>
<p>Of course, then all the other elements of this experiment come into play. For instance, it should probably be on an invite-only forum, so that passer&#8217;s-by who stumble on this thread wouldn&#8217;t find out the locations of the nine balloons already posted here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623968</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say you report the balloons to the local police as suspicious possible WMDs and watch the local authorities freak out and shut down the nearby highways just to be safe. Although winning my tax dollars back this way is far more desirable than any number of other evil things DARPA could do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say you report the balloons to the local police as suspicious possible WMDs and watch the local authorities freak out and shut down the nearby highways just to be safe. Although winning my tax dollars back this way is far more desirable than any number of other evil things DARPA could do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: wentzlaf</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-625259</link>
		<dc:creator>wentzlaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have started a team and website with information about the balloon scavenger hunt.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://balloonfinder.superfunhappy.com&quot;&gt;DARPA Team Superfunhappy&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have started a team and website with information about the balloon scavenger hunt.  <a href="http://balloonfinder.superfunhappy.com">DARPA Team Superfunhappy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623732</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it. Are there clues? You&#039;re supposed to just stumble upon these things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it. Are there clues? You&#8217;re supposed to just stumble upon these things?</p>
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		<title>By: Sceadugenga</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-623736</link>
		<dc:creator>Sceadugenga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First task for the BoingBoing team:
Jam the other teams by placing 100 fake red balloons in readily accessible locations, visible from roadways...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First task for the BoingBoing team:<br />
Jam the other teams by placing 100 fake red balloons in readily accessible locations, visible from roadways&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-656764</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>location of #3
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>location of #3<br />
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		<title>By: Little John</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-624001</link>
		<dc:creator>Little John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zikman@#7: &quot;&lt;i&gt;supposed to highlight team building... but the first individual to submit the locations gets the money?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Yes, it&#039;s the American way of doing things. Talk big about community spirit and civic service and the public good, but seek the champion, praise the hero, the &lt;i&gt;saviour&lt;/i&gt;, the one man in his badge and white hat, his shining armor, his expensive suit who can save us from the evildoers, rescue us from all peril, deliver us from yea, even ourselves.

I don&#039;t want to sidetrack a thread of comments with a political commentary, but I see the pattern too obviously in DARPA&#039;s approach not to point it out.

Topic change: Did you folks actually look at the rules?

&lt;i&gt;&quot;All balloons are scheduled to go on display at all locations at 10:00AM (ET) until approximately 4:00 PM (local time) on Saturday, December 5, 2009.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

These balloons are displayed for only six hours, somewhere in the continental U.S. (i.e., not Hawaii, PR, etc.). We&#039;ve then got 9 days to use Twitter or FB or homing pigeons and our secret decoding rings from the clubhouse to divine the locations and submit them to DARPA.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Latitudes and longitudes [must be] entered in degree-minute-second (DDD-MM-SS) format ... with an error of less than one arc-minute to be accepted.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

DARPA appears to anticipate that not all ten will be found. Finding five would still qualify for the cash payment (to the one person registered as a participant).

Good luck, you guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zikman@#7: &#8220;<i>supposed to highlight team building&#8230; but the first individual to submit the locations gets the money?&#8221;</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s the American way of doing things. Talk big about community spirit and civic service and the public good, but seek the champion, praise the hero, the <i>saviour</i>, the one man in his badge and white hat, his shining armor, his expensive suit who can save us from the evildoers, rescue us from all peril, deliver us from yea, even ourselves.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to sidetrack a thread of comments with a political commentary, but I see the pattern too obviously in DARPA&#8217;s approach not to point it out.</p>
<p>Topic change: Did you folks actually look at the rules?</p>
<p><i>&#8220;All balloons are scheduled to go on display at all locations at 10:00AM (ET) until approximately 4:00 PM (local time) on Saturday, December 5, 2009.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>These balloons are displayed for only six hours, somewhere in the continental U.S. (i.e., not Hawaii, PR, etc.). We&#8217;ve then got 9 days to use Twitter or FB or homing pigeons and our secret decoding rings from the clubhouse to divine the locations and submit them to DARPA.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Latitudes and longitudes [must be] entered in degree-minute-second (DDD-MM-SS) format &#8230; with an error of less than one arc-minute to be accepted.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>DARPA appears to anticipate that not all ten will be found. Finding five would still qualify for the cash payment (to the one person registered as a participant).</p>
<p>Good luck, you guys.</p>
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		<title>By: IndexMe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-624773</link>
		<dc:creator>IndexMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may develop into a contest between many teams which actually are not looking for balloons. 

Instead they would be searching for announcements about balloon locations, from TV, twittering, etc.

I&#039;d recommend leveraging the BB name to gather people to actually look for balloons, or to quickly tell BB about balloons they hear have been found nearby. BB has trust enough that an email address being provided would be enough to make the finder feel sure of payment.

BB is warm and open. But there is a conflict with the need to maintain secrecy, an interesting problem. Also the team has to be open to as many people as possible, even non-elite people on the street calling it in on a cellphone number.
- How to gain maximum number of people from general public?
- Is it enough for members to sign up while pledging they will not give Team BB info to other teams or the public?
- Policies need to be worked out. Some examples could be:
  . Payment for information rises with time
  . Extra paid to keep lone finds secret
  . Secret information to be given only to a single person (leader of Team BB). That info to be kept secret based on preset policy, so its location/existence cannot be given to other teams.
  .  Creation of alliances with other teams (e.g. how to share balloon locations while maintaining ambiguity of location)

BB should use the time to prepare, and perhaps run ads prior to the event to attract other groups which can join in an alliance.
It may all be over by 11am Saturday EST.

A small website should be created including:
- explanation
- member signup
- policies
- assignment of tasks, such as creation of tools, coordination, phone answering, and monitoring of eBay, CraigsList, Google
- server should be hardened against hacking
- a threaded message board. Ordinary single thread BB is not enough.

What will the winning team be like? So far I have:
- Has members competent in these areas:
Technical skills, monitoring auction and news sites, typing and collating information, brainstorming, policy creation
(who also will be up before 7AM in California)
- a somewhat trusted front, especially if offering a premium for info which is to be kept secret.
- not just a strong brainstorming group but also a strong leadership that can update publicized rules and negotiate quickly.

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may develop into a contest between many teams which actually are not looking for balloons. </p>
<p>Instead they would be searching for announcements about balloon locations, from TV, twittering, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend leveraging the BB name to gather people to actually look for balloons, or to quickly tell BB about balloons they hear have been found nearby. BB has trust enough that an email address being provided would be enough to make the finder feel sure of payment.</p>
<p>BB is warm and open. But there is a conflict with the need to maintain secrecy, an interesting problem. Also the team has to be open to as many people as possible, even non-elite people on the street calling it in on a cellphone number.<br />
- How to gain maximum number of people from general public?<br />
- Is it enough for members to sign up while pledging they will not give Team BB info to other teams or the public?<br />
- Policies need to be worked out. Some examples could be:<br />
  . Payment for information rises with time<br />
  . Extra paid to keep lone finds secret<br />
  . Secret information to be given only to a single person (leader of Team BB). That info to be kept secret based on preset policy, so its location/existence cannot be given to other teams.<br />
  .  Creation of alliances with other teams (e.g. how to share balloon locations while maintaining ambiguity of location)</p>
<p>BB should use the time to prepare, and perhaps run ads prior to the event to attract other groups which can join in an alliance.<br />
It may all be over by 11am Saturday EST.</p>
<p>A small website should be created including:<br />
- explanation<br />
- member signup<br />
- policies<br />
- assignment of tasks, such as creation of tools, coordination, phone answering, and monitoring of eBay, CraigsList, Google<br />
- server should be hardened against hacking<br />
- a threaded message board. Ordinary single thread BB is not enough.</p>
<p>What will the winning team be like? So far I have:<br />
- Has members competent in these areas:<br />
Technical skills, monitoring auction and news sites, typing and collating information, brainstorming, policy creation<br />
(who also will be up before 7AM in California)<br />
- a somewhat trusted front, especially if offering a premium for info which is to be kept secret.<br />
- not just a strong brainstorming group but also a strong leadership that can update publicized rules and negotiate quickly.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-625285</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about using DARPA&#039;s defense spending for peaceful purposes?

&lt;A href=&quot;http://www.darpaballoon.com&quot;&gt;Darpa Balloons for Peace&lt;/a&gt; will use the $40k to promote peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about using DARPA&#8217;s defense spending for peaceful purposes?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.darpaballoon.com">Darpa Balloons for Peace</a> will use the $40k to promote peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-656272</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no offence but the vlogbrothers have a huge advantage. they have about 150,000 people all over the US</description>
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		<title>By: Baldhead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/10/29/darpa-challenge----f.html#comment-624273</link>
		<dc:creator>Baldhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>put a 6- year- old in each balloon and i&#039;m in.</description>
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