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	<title>Comments on: Freemasonry, Dan Brown, and the New New&#160;Age</title>
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		<title>By: HatOfEdshu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-630528</link>
		<dc:creator>HatOfEdshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine my surprise, after considerable investments of money and time, to find out the grand secret of the 32nd degree of Freemasonry is &quot;Love.&quot; Oh, not for a moment do I consider &quot;love&quot; is a bad thing, but in a world full of music, books and movies, it&#039;s a secret I had learned many years before. I suppose 100 years ago when Freemasonry was at it&#039;s peak and movies were a non-thing, the ritual (which is basically interactive theater) was the closest you could get to a real experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine my surprise, after considerable investments of money and time, to find out the grand secret of the 32nd degree of Freemasonry is &#8220;Love.&#8221; Oh, not for a moment do I consider &#8220;love&#8221; is a bad thing, but in a world full of music, books and movies, it&#8217;s a secret I had learned many years before. I suppose 100 years ago when Freemasonry was at it&#8217;s peak and movies were a non-thing, the ritual (which is basically interactive theater) was the closest you could get to a real experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds a lot like AA, but without the drinking thing.</description>
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		<title>By: irsean</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-631308</link>
		<dc:creator>irsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madfist: You&#039;re a riot. I love everything you said. As a MM in an F&amp;AM Lodge (California) I thoroughly enjoyed the book. It did have some crossed wires such as the York Rite&#039;s &quot;blood skull&quot; and various other mishaps but, all in all, it was good reading. I love how he (D. Brown) piques the interest of the reader in regards to the history lessons. The greatest treasure of that book was the &quot;secret&quot; history of the Temple of Liberty. Still everyone loves a good Apocrypha. And the greatest secret of Masonry is that there is no secret other than that of personal satisfaction in what we create in our communities.
Amen
So Mote It Be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madfist: You&#8217;re a riot. I love everything you said. As a MM in an F&#038;AM Lodge (California) I thoroughly enjoyed the book. It did have some crossed wires such as the York Rite&#8217;s &#8220;blood skull&#8221; and various other mishaps but, all in all, it was good reading. I love how he (D. Brown) piques the interest of the reader in regards to the history lessons. The greatest treasure of that book was the &#8220;secret&#8221; history of the Temple of Liberty. Still everyone loves a good Apocrypha. And the greatest secret of Masonry is that there is no secret other than that of personal satisfaction in what we create in our communities.<br />
Amen<br />
So Mote It Be.</p>
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		<title>By: Monnowman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-638221</link>
		<dc:creator>Monnowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Art:

OK :-)</description>
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<p>OK :-)</p>
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		<title>By: HatOfEdshu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-630798</link>
		<dc:creator>HatOfEdshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 - Good point! Considering that the secret of the 31st degree was the introduction to our purple alien monkey masters, I thought the 32nd degree&#039;s &#039;love&#039; was a bit of a let-down. Perhaps I should restate my preface as, &#039;imagine my disappointment.&#039;

Ahem. But really, with all of the secrecy and speculation surrounding the Craft, I&#039;m not sure what I expected, but I think I anticipated something more controversial or earth-shattering. I was young and naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 &#8211; Good point! Considering that the secret of the 31st degree was the introduction to our purple alien monkey masters, I thought the 32nd degree&#8217;s &#8216;love&#8217; was a bit of a let-down. Perhaps I should restate my preface as, &#8216;imagine my disappointment.&#8217;</p>
<p>Ahem. But really, with all of the secrecy and speculation surrounding the Craft, I&#8217;m not sure what I expected, but I think I anticipated something more controversial or earth-shattering. I was young and naive.</p>
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		<title>By: irsean</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-631312</link>
		<dc:creator>irsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No person who has not belonged to the Craft could ever possibly write an accurate, well informed book on Freemasonry. The only person even remotely qualified is a Freemason. And if you think he&#039;s being biased, join a lodge, go through the degrees and decide for yourself. Anybody who even mentions &quot;Freemasons&quot; and &quot;Conspiracy&quot; in the same topic IS biased and looking to either feed their own misguided delusions of the Order or do harm to the Craft. We are not an elite group that only allows prevelidged persons to join. We are public and allow all those who believe in a higher power (even Bhuddists) to be members. It&#039;s simply a Mystery School that teaches in the allegory of Temple Building. If by serving the evil Old Dominion by aiding the poor, the weak, the indigent, then by God, my road to Hell has been paved with good intentions. But remember this, if you indict Freemasonry, you indict the very Foundation of the US which was not established as a Christian Nation but on Masonic Values specifically. This is obvious to Freemasons when we hear various founding documents e.g Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No person who has not belonged to the Craft could ever possibly write an accurate, well informed book on Freemasonry. The only person even remotely qualified is a Freemason. And if you think he&#8217;s being biased, join a lodge, go through the degrees and decide for yourself. Anybody who even mentions &#8220;Freemasons&#8221; and &#8220;Conspiracy&#8221; in the same topic IS biased and looking to either feed their own misguided delusions of the Order or do harm to the Craft. We are not an elite group that only allows prevelidged persons to join. We are public and allow all those who believe in a higher power (even Bhuddists) to be members. It&#8217;s simply a Mystery School that teaches in the allegory of Temple Building. If by serving the evil Old Dominion by aiding the poor, the weak, the indigent, then by God, my road to Hell has been paved with good intentions. But remember this, if you indict Freemasonry, you indict the very Foundation of the US which was not established as a Christian Nation but on Masonic Values specifically. This is obvious to Freemasons when we hear various founding documents e.g Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Goldwag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur Goldwag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said &quot;American Freemasonry&#039;s historic detestation.&quot; American Masonry has a mixed record on race, too. 

Those Grand Masters put themselves in an awkward position vis a vis the Church. In 1983, when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger, the current Pope renewed the Vatican ban on Masonic membership that has been in effect since 1738. The stated reasons for the ban are Masonry&#039;s &quot;religious indifferentism,&quot; its &quot;contempt&quot; for ecclesiastical authority and the potential conflict with the sacrament of confession of Masonry&#039;s required secrecy.

I&#039;ve read a lot about Masonry, pro and con, but I am not a Mason myself and I can&#039;t claim to speak with unshakable authority. Masons--and anyone else--should feel free to correct me whenever circumstances warrant it. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said &#8220;American Freemasonry&#8217;s historic detestation.&#8221; American Masonry has a mixed record on race, too. </p>
<p>Those Grand Masters put themselves in an awkward position vis a vis the Church. In 1983, when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger, the current Pope renewed the Vatican ban on Masonic membership that has been in effect since 1738. The stated reasons for the ban are Masonry&#8217;s &#8220;religious indifferentism,&#8221; its &#8220;contempt&#8221; for ecclesiastical authority and the potential conflict with the sacrament of confession of Masonry&#8217;s required secrecy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read a lot about Masonry, pro and con, but I am not a Mason myself and I can&#8217;t claim to speak with unshakable authority. Masons&#8211;and anyone else&#8211;should feel free to correct me whenever circumstances warrant it. </p>
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		<title>By: Roach</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-630293</link>
		<dc:creator>Roach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your conclusion.  Contemporary Freemasonry seems so vestigial - all the Masons I&#039;ve met can&#039;t compare, certainly, to Ben Franklin, but more to the point Freemasonry itself is like a lazy soldier during an extended peacetime.  It&#039;s devolved into something so utterly useless and outdated that I can&#039;t imagine its value.

As for Brown&#039;s new paradigms, well, a student fresh off the Da Vinci Code once told me, &quot;No, it could be right - you just have to believe that everyone in history has been lying to you.&quot;  That&#039;s right - EVERYONE.  New paradigms that build off established knowledge are useful and workable, but Brown&#039;s (like most conspiracy theories) are hostile to real knowledge and assume that our ancestors were so incompetent, compared to our new Race of Geniuses, that everything they believed is wrong and that what little they had right they were too weak to pass on in any effective way.  Dan Brown has all of Gnosticism&#039;s unfounded, elitist arrogance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your conclusion.  Contemporary Freemasonry seems so vestigial &#8211; all the Masons I&#8217;ve met can&#8217;t compare, certainly, to Ben Franklin, but more to the point Freemasonry itself is like a lazy soldier during an extended peacetime.  It&#8217;s devolved into something so utterly useless and outdated that I can&#8217;t imagine its value.</p>
<p>As for Brown&#8217;s new paradigms, well, a student fresh off the Da Vinci Code once told me, &#8220;No, it could be right &#8211; you just have to believe that everyone in history has been lying to you.&#8221;  That&#8217;s right &#8211; EVERYONE.  New paradigms that build off established knowledge are useful and workable, but Brown&#8217;s (like most conspiracy theories) are hostile to real knowledge and assume that our ancestors were so incompetent, compared to our new Race of Geniuses, that everything they believed is wrong and that what little they had right they were too weak to pass on in any effective way.  Dan Brown has all of Gnosticism&#8217;s unfounded, elitist arrogance.</p>
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		<title>By: paperwingsxangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>paperwingsxangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I don&#039;t think Dan Brown talks earnestly about anything.  Isn&#039;t he just the exact oversimplification, distortion, and commercialization that these alleged secret societies were afraid of?

I hope the readers of BB are skeptics enough to call sensationalism and pseudoscience where they see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I don&#8217;t think Dan Brown talks earnestly about anything.  Isn&#8217;t he just the exact oversimplification, distortion, and commercialization that these alleged secret societies were afraid of?</p>
<p>I hope the readers of BB are skeptics enough to call sensationalism and pseudoscience where they see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drive past Beyond Words -- the publisher of &lt;I&gt;The Secret&lt;/I&gt; -- on the way home to work each day.

If they really had a handle on majestic workings of the universe you&#039;d think they could do better for themselves than a suite in a dowdy office park, with a sign up front reading &quot;BOOK SALE - UP to 80% OFF.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drive past Beyond Words &#8212; the publisher of <i>The Secret</i> &#8212; on the way home to work each day.</p>
<p>If they really had a handle on majestic workings of the universe you&#8217;d think they could do better for themselves than a suite in a dowdy office park, with a sign up front reading &#8220;BOOK SALE &#8211; UP to 80% OFF.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Goldwag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur Goldwag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick PS. America in general has a poor historical record on Catholic tolerance until after the Civil War; America in general has a not-so-good record on race, either. In most cases, the Mason&#039;s have been ahead of the curve when it comes to matters of tolerance and open-mindedness. My understanding is that French Grand Orient Freemasonry is more open to Atheism and Occultism than other Rites. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick PS. America in general has a poor historical record on Catholic tolerance until after the Civil War; America in general has a not-so-good record on race, either. In most cases, the Mason&#8217;s have been ahead of the curve when it comes to matters of tolerance and open-mindedness. My understanding is that French Grand Orient Freemasonry is more open to Atheism and Occultism than other Rites. </p>
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		<title>By: paperwingsxangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>paperwingsxangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, The Secret is essentially christian propaganda bullshit - what it really does is make downtrodden folks complacent and thus less likely to organize for change.  Really, why bother actually working with your community to change your fortunes, when you can just BELIEVE - right from your comfy couch.

It also turns blame inwards on low-income or disadvantaged people.  Things suck for you?  Guess you didn&#039;t believe enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, The Secret is essentially christian propaganda bullshit &#8211; what it really does is make downtrodden folks complacent and thus less likely to organize for change.  Really, why bother actually working with your community to change your fortunes, when you can just BELIEVE &#8211; right from your comfy couch.</p>
<p>It also turns blame inwards on low-income or disadvantaged people.  Things suck for you?  Guess you didn&#8217;t believe enough.</p>
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		<title>By: pixleshifter</title>
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		<dc:creator>pixleshifter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@irsean
read my comment above regarding bias
@madfist
regardless of his good or bad deeds, i take exception to people such as sai baba who claim miraculous powers and immaculate conception to fool others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@irsean<br />
read my comment above regarding bias<br />
@madfist<br />
regardless of his good or bad deeds, i take exception to people such as sai baba who claim miraculous powers and immaculate conception to fool others</p>
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		<title>By: danlalan</title>
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		<dc:creator>danlalan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the general tone of importance that seems to be given Browns books that confuses me, not your commentary on the phenomena. I can appreciate your attempt to help people keep it real, but I&#039;m not sure that the people who are risk of being sucked into the recursive fictional fantasies spelled out in Browns books fit the demographic reached by a scholarly, yet readable tome such as yours. 

Maybe a fiction work about a ancient, shadowy group of sceptics determined to bring enlightenment to mankind, or at least stop it from being duped so often.....

add some explosions you could probably get a movie deal out of it too.

maybe not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the general tone of importance that seems to be given Browns books that confuses me, not your commentary on the phenomena. I can appreciate your attempt to help people keep it real, but I&#8217;m not sure that the people who are risk of being sucked into the recursive fictional fantasies spelled out in Browns books fit the demographic reached by a scholarly, yet readable tome such as yours. </p>
<p>Maybe a fiction work about a ancient, shadowy group of sceptics determined to bring enlightenment to mankind, or at least stop it from being duped so often&#8230;..</p>
<p>add some explosions you could probably get a movie deal out of it too.</p>
<p>maybe not.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>I love you for this post, man. Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: danlalan</title>
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		<dc:creator>danlalan</dc:creator>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t get the whole &quot;controversy&quot; around Dan Browns books. They are fiction, are sold as fiction and never pretend to be other than fiction. Fiction. As in, he makes it up for the purpose of entertainment and everyone knows it. 

How is the overly serious response to his books any different than the christian whacko fringe getting up in arms about Harry Potter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t get the whole &#8220;controversy&#8221; around Dan Browns books. They are fiction, are sold as fiction and never pretend to be other than fiction. Fiction. As in, he makes it up for the purpose of entertainment and everyone knows it. </p>
<p>How is the overly serious response to his books any different than the christian whacko fringe getting up in arms about Harry Potter?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>One thing though...the Tibetan Buddhism I have studied for years is a non-theistic view of the world. How can you say you believe in &quot;God&quot;?

&quot;If you meet the Buddha in the road, kill him.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing though&#8230;the Tibetan Buddhism I have studied for years is a non-theistic view of the world. How can you say you believe in &#8220;God&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;If you meet the Buddha in the road, kill him.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Hello irsean!! Thought I might find you here. I like what you wrote here and I agree that a person has to make up their own mind. &quot;2B1ASK1&quot;--SD #668</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello irsean!! Thought I might find you here. I like what you wrote here and I agree that a person has to make up their own mind. &#8220;2B1ASK1&#8243;&#8211;SD #668</p>
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		<title>By: MadFist</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadFist</dc:creator>
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		<description>Wait... You wrote and published a book entitled &quot;...The Straight Scoop on Freemasons...&quot; and you&#039;re not one?  Isn&#039;t that a little cheaty?  

Shouldn&#039;t it have been titled something more along the lines of &quot;...The Straight Scoop on Freemasons and Every Other Secret Society To Which I do not Belong as I Perceive it Through my Limited Experience and What I&#039;ve Read From Other Authors That May or May Not Have Had More Experience ...&quot;?

Oh well, to each his or her own...  Now, if you&#039;ll excuse me I&#039;m gonna go write a book revolving around a book I read about gun repair.  I don&#039;t actually own a gun, but I&#039;ve seen them on t.v., and I hardly see how that matters anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; You wrote and published a book entitled &#8220;&#8230;The Straight Scoop on Freemasons&#8230;&#8221; and you&#8217;re not one?  Isn&#8217;t that a little cheaty?  </p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t it have been titled something more along the lines of &#8220;&#8230;The Straight Scoop on Freemasons and Every Other Secret Society To Which I do not Belong as I Perceive it Through my Limited Experience and What I&#8217;ve Read From Other Authors That May or May Not Have Had More Experience &#8230;&#8221;?</p>
<p>Oh well, to each his or her own&#8230;  Now, if you&#8217;ll excuse me I&#8217;m gonna go write a book revolving around a book I read about gun repair.  I don&#8217;t actually own a gun, but I&#8217;ve seen them on t.v., and I hardly see how that matters anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Monnowman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monnowman</dc:creator>
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		<description>OK. So what is your evidence that American Freemasonry has a &quot;historic detestation&quot; of Catholicism?

Can you substantiate this with documentary evidence that shows American freemasons &quot;detested&quot; Catholicism?

Aren&#039;t you able to correct the article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. So what is your evidence that American Freemasonry has a &#8220;historic detestation&#8221; of Catholicism?</p>
<p>Can you substantiate this with documentary evidence that shows American freemasons &#8220;detested&#8221; Catholicism?</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t you able to correct the article?</p>
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		<title>By: HatOfEdshu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-632386</link>
		<dc:creator>HatOfEdshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Mason of 12 years, I can tell you that a ritual is a ritual is a ritual. If you have a religion, attended school or a even a sporting event, you&#039;ve been through it; sometimes you&#039;re into it, sometimes you&#039;re not. After 12 years of watching guys not even know why they go through the motions, I decided I was better off without their lot. They perform the ritual, but don&#039;t even wonder what it&#039;s all about. 

They talk about the three pillars of Masonry being brotherly love, relief and truth, but without curiosity, you can&#039;t expect to find truth. And if you find an interesting truth to share, what&#039;s the point sharing it with disinterested parties? Even the so-called old-timers had only the shallowest knowledge of what it was all about.

The Craft is dying of stale blood. The enlightened brothers should have been wise (remember Solomon?) and opened their doors to African Americans and women so many years ago when Masonry was still relevant. The infusion of fresh ideas and minds could have saved those worshipful &#039;freethinkers.&#039; It&#039;s too late now.

Mason died in spirit a long time ago, and it&#039;s still dying in body. In 20 more years, the last of the temples will be what so many of them already are, curious old rental halls.

So maybe I&#039;m a rat, but you see, it&#039;s just that I don&#039;t like riding on sinking ships...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Mason of 12 years, I can tell you that a ritual is a ritual is a ritual. If you have a religion, attended school or a even a sporting event, you&#8217;ve been through it; sometimes you&#8217;re into it, sometimes you&#8217;re not. After 12 years of watching guys not even know why they go through the motions, I decided I was better off without their lot. They perform the ritual, but don&#8217;t even wonder what it&#8217;s all about. </p>
<p>They talk about the three pillars of Masonry being brotherly love, relief and truth, but without curiosity, you can&#8217;t expect to find truth. And if you find an interesting truth to share, what&#8217;s the point sharing it with disinterested parties? Even the so-called old-timers had only the shallowest knowledge of what it was all about.</p>
<p>The Craft is dying of stale blood. The enlightened brothers should have been wise (remember Solomon?) and opened their doors to African Americans and women so many years ago when Masonry was still relevant. The infusion of fresh ideas and minds could have saved those worshipful &#8216;freethinkers.&#8217; It&#8217;s too late now.</p>
<p>Mason died in spirit a long time ago, and it&#8217;s still dying in body. In 20 more years, the last of the temples will be what so many of them already are, curious old rental halls.</p>
<p>So maybe I&#8217;m a rat, but you see, it&#8217;s just that I don&#8217;t like riding on sinking ships&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kennric</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-630339</link>
		<dc:creator>Kennric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Brown&#039;s writing is so lackluster - with all that fascinating history to work with, there could have been a good book in there. Sorry, I suppose that&#039;s not nice, but I really don&#039;t understand the popularity of these poorly written novels, beyond the &quot;controversy&quot;. Would anyone have cared about DaVinci Code if it wasn&#039;t so &quot;heretical&quot;? 

The silly what-if alt history/conspiracy stuff can be a lot of fun, but it really helps if you can write an actual plot and believable characters around it. I may be bitter, as well, that the intellectual hero, a character sadly missing in modern popular entertainment, seems to only appear in ridiculous unscientific dreck. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Brown&#8217;s writing is so lackluster &#8211; with all that fascinating history to work with, there could have been a good book in there. Sorry, I suppose that&#8217;s not nice, but I really don&#8217;t understand the popularity of these poorly written novels, beyond the &#8220;controversy&#8221;. Would anyone have cared about DaVinci Code if it wasn&#8217;t so &#8220;heretical&#8221;? </p>
<p>The silly what-if alt history/conspiracy stuff can be a lot of fun, but it really helps if you can write an actual plot and believable characters around it. I may be bitter, as well, that the intellectual hero, a character sadly missing in modern popular entertainment, seems to only appear in ridiculous unscientific dreck. </p>
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		<title>By: cognitive dissonance</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-630343</link>
		<dc:creator>cognitive dissonance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ DANALAN

because they&#039;re fictional stories &quot;based on&quot; actual events, and most people are too dumb or too lazy to bother figuring out what&#039;s fact and fiction. most people are barely bright enough to know that hogwarts, tattooine, middle earth, and the starship enterprise aren&#039;t real, so finding context in things that people have a vague memory of learning, further bastardizes whatever shred of knowledge that they had. It&#039;s like a more plausible version of the &#039;national treasure&#039; movies.</description>
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<p>because they&#8217;re fictional stories &#8220;based on&#8221; actual events, and most people are too dumb or too lazy to bother figuring out what&#8217;s fact and fiction. most people are barely bright enough to know that hogwarts, tattooine, middle earth, and the starship enterprise aren&#8217;t real, so finding context in things that people have a vague memory of learning, further bastardizes whatever shred of knowledge that they had. It&#8217;s like a more plausible version of the &#8216;national treasure&#8217; movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-632136</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#62
The Freemasons aren&#039;t a cult or a fringe group.

Freemasons donate over one million dollars per day to global charities.  Charitable donations and charitable community efforts are the main activity of Freemasons.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#62<br />
The Freemasons aren&#8217;t a cult or a fringe group.</p>
<p>Freemasons donate over one million dollars per day to global charities.  Charitable donations and charitable community efforts are the main activity of Freemasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Goldwag</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-630345</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur Goldwag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get all THAT worked up. Of course I understand that his books are meant to entertain. But I comment on them because millions of people do read them and talk about their ideas and Brown does pretend that they are factual in most matters. The Da Vinci Code begins with this statement:

&quot;Fact: The Priory of Sion--a European secret society founded in 1099--is a real organization&quot; (a highly debatable proposition) and then goes on to say that &quot;all descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.&quot;

THE LOST SYMBOL opens with a similar claim about the monuments and buildings in DC; it plugs the work of the real life Noetic Scientist McTaggart, and its last 50 pages read like an infomercial for Convergence and the New Age. 

I&#039;m not saying, as Evangelical Harry Potter alarmists do, that Dan Brown is covertly promoting something that&#039;s dangerous to readers&#039; souls, that his books should be kept out of the hands of children. But I am expressing concern that fake history and woo woo psuedoscience are being packaged for a Bible-sized audience, not all of whom are as critical-minded or well-informed as they might be. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get all THAT worked up. Of course I understand that his books are meant to entertain. But I comment on them because millions of people do read them and talk about their ideas and Brown does pretend that they are factual in most matters. The Da Vinci Code begins with this statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fact: The Priory of Sion&#8211;a European secret society founded in 1099&#8211;is a real organization&#8221; (a highly debatable proposition) and then goes on to say that &#8220;all descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.&#8221;</p>
<p>THE LOST SYMBOL opens with a similar claim about the monuments and buildings in DC; it plugs the work of the real life Noetic Scientist McTaggart, and its last 50 pages read like an infomercial for Convergence and the New Age. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying, as Evangelical Harry Potter alarmists do, that Dan Brown is covertly promoting something that&#8217;s dangerous to readers&#8217; souls, that his books should be kept out of the hands of children. But I am expressing concern that fake history and woo woo psuedoscience are being packaged for a Bible-sized audience, not all of whom are as critical-minded or well-informed as they might be. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ anonymous &#124; #33 &#124; 9:38 on Sat Nov. 7

If you are serious about your interest in Free and Accepted Masonry you should do a quick Google search for &quot;Grand Lodge of [insert your state/province/country here] F&amp;AM &quot;  Most Grand Lodge websites list the local lodges under their jurisdiction and provide contact information for the officers of those lodges.  You will find that all you have to do is ask, and the doors of freemasonry will be opened unto you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ anonymous | #33 | 9:38 on Sat Nov. 7</p>
<p>If you are serious about your interest in Free and Accepted Masonry you should do a quick Google search for &#8220;Grand Lodge of [insert your state/province/country here] F&#038;AM &#8221;  Most Grand Lodge websites list the local lodges under their jurisdiction and provide contact information for the officers of those lodges.  You will find that all you have to do is ask, and the doors of freemasonry will be opened unto you.</p>
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		<title>By: MadFist</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/06/freemasonry-dan-brow.html#comment-631118</link>
		<dc:creator>MadFist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#33...  Where are you?  I can help.

Here you go ~ boingboingistheshiz@mad.scientist.com

Give me a general area (as specific as you feel comfortable with) and I can offer you contact information to get you started.

All others ~ Feel free to email questions that you may have.  Not saying that I have all the answers, but I can probably at least started on the right path to your answer.

Or buy Goldwag&#039;s book.  He&#039;s probably got lots of good info in there.  I wouldn&#039;t actually know as I&#039;ve never experienced his book, first hand...  = )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#33&#8230;  Where are you?  I can help.</p>
<p>Here you go ~ <a href="mailto:boingboingistheshiz@mad.scientist.com">boingboingistheshiz@mad.scientist.com</a></p>
<p>Give me a general area (as specific as you feel comfortable with) and I can offer you contact information to get you started.</p>
<p>All others ~ Feel free to email questions that you may have.  Not saying that I have all the answers, but I can probably at least started on the right path to your answer.</p>
<p>Or buy Goldwag&#8217;s book.  He&#8217;s probably got lots of good info in there.  I wouldn&#8217;t actually know as I&#8217;ve never experienced his book, first hand&#8230;  = )</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the Noetic Science stuff -- the whole idea about the power of group thought -- pretty interesting, and I like how you linked to all kinds of sites in your article. (I had no idea Van Jones practices, if that&#039;s the right word, noetic science though!) I was checking out McTaggart&#039;s web site and you can &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/participate&gt; participate in the experiments&lt;/a&gt; she&#039;s working on. Hey -- a way for people to find out the science behind her science! (She also had a great blog entry about the power of the group behind mob rule, which, after going through all these examples, had a funny line how, just because you&#039;re a Republican does not mean you get to be nasty to a Democrat. For some reason -- I&#039;m sure it&#039;s all the political sites I look at and my interest in day to day politics -- that really struck me as amusing.) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the Noetic Science stuff &#8212; the whole idea about the power of group thought &#8212; pretty interesting, and I like how you linked to all kinds of sites in your article. (I had no idea Van Jones practices, if that&#8217;s the right word, noetic science though!) I was checking out McTaggart&#8217;s web site and you can <a href="http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/participate> participate in the experiments</a> she&#8217;s working on. Hey &#8212; a way for people to find out the science behind her science! (She also had a great blog entry about the power of the group behind mob rule, which, after going through all these examples, had a funny line how, just because you&#8217;re a Republican does not mean you get to be nasty to a Democrat. For some reason &#8212; I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s all the political sites I look at and my interest in day to day politics &#8212; that really struck me as amusing.) </p>
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		<title>By: HatOfEdshu</title>
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		<dc:creator>HatOfEdshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t regret having been a Mason, as it was a part of my path. From it I found brotherly love.

And when my mind was troubled, I then turned to Buddhism. For a long while it was also a part of my path. From it I found relief.

But I needed something neither Hiram nor Buddha could provide to me. (Though Buddha certainly did show me the tools I&#039;d need) For that, I turned to Joseph Campbell, Bertrand Russell and Charles Darwin. It was from them that I found the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t regret having been a Mason, as it was a part of my path. From it I found brotherly love.</p>
<p>And when my mind was troubled, I then turned to Buddhism. For a long while it was also a part of my path. From it I found relief.</p>
<p>But I needed something neither Hiram nor Buddha could provide to me. (Though Buddha certainly did show me the tools I&#8217;d need) For that, I turned to Joseph Campbell, Bertrand Russell and Charles Darwin. It was from them that I found the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: pixleshifter</title>
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		<dc:creator>pixleshifter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve not read any of dan brown&#039;s books but many people i&#039;ve spoken to about them appear to think them factual. it&#039;s the &#039;based on true accounts&#039; snip that seems to do it for most people, it turns it into an either/or philosophy. (an upcoming movie on alien abductions spins the same tagline unfortunately).
i&#039;m starting to believe that edward bernays was right all along. humankind isn&#039;t yet mature enough to make critical choices en-masse.

changing the subject slightly, but keeping with the theme of cults, conspiracies and secret societies, i&#039;d be interested to hear arthur goldwag&#039;s take on the recent scientology setbacks.
are you going to give us an article on this organization?
always good to give the hornet&#039;s nest a shaking methinks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve not read any of dan brown&#8217;s books but many people i&#8217;ve spoken to about them appear to think them factual. it&#8217;s the &#8216;based on true accounts&#8217; snip that seems to do it for most people, it turns it into an either/or philosophy. (an upcoming movie on alien abductions spins the same tagline unfortunately).<br />
i&#8217;m starting to believe that edward bernays was right all along. humankind isn&#8217;t yet mature enough to make critical choices en-masse.</p>
<p>changing the subject slightly, but keeping with the theme of cults, conspiracies and secret societies, i&#8217;d be interested to hear arthur goldwag&#8217;s take on the recent scientology setbacks.<br />
are you going to give us an article on this organization?<br />
always good to give the hornet&#8217;s nest a shaking methinks</p>
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