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	<title>Comments on: Is Sony legally required to make its games accessible to disabled&#160;people?</title>
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		<title>By: coderunner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632840</link>
		<dc:creator>coderunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, with the release of the iPod Touch, VoiceOver is included, allowing blind people to use it. Same with the iPhone 3GS. I have a friend who has the new iPod Touch, a friend who has the iPhone, and both of them love them. I&#039;ve thought about getting an iPod Touch myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, with the release of the iPod Touch, VoiceOver is included, allowing blind people to use it. Same with the iPhone 3GS. I have a friend who has the new iPod Touch, a friend who has the iPhone, and both of them love them. I&#8217;ve thought about getting an iPod Touch myself.</p>
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		<title>By: phisrow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632090</link>
		<dc:creator>phisrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landsburg doesn&#039;t seem to have encountered the notion that scale matters.

The &quot;Mary/apartment&quot; example is all well and good in theory; but the phrase &quot;sundown town&quot; pretty much encapsulates how well it tends to turn out in practice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landsburg doesn&#8217;t seem to have encountered the notion that scale matters.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Mary/apartment&#8221; example is all well and good in theory; but the phrase &#8220;sundown town&#8221; pretty much encapsulates how well it tends to turn out in practice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632091</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care for that anti-Albanian example since Sony isn&#039;t actively discriminating against anyone, they&#039;re just selling a product that doesn&#039;t meet everyone&#039;s needs. If you&#039;re going to make an apartment-renting analogy then the correct one to make is &lt;strong&gt;&quot;should the landlord be required to install wheelchair access ramps for the disabled?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care for that anti-Albanian example since Sony isn&#8217;t actively discriminating against anyone, they&#8217;re just selling a product that doesn&#8217;t meet everyone&#8217;s needs. If you&#8217;re going to make an apartment-renting analogy then the correct one to make is <strong>&#8220;should the landlord be required to install wheelchair access ramps for the disabled?&#8221;</strong></p>
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		<title>By: AirPillo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632096</link>
		<dc:creator>AirPillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I follow the author&#039;s arguments, though I do see the logic in them. It just seems that the points they are making are some of the less important ones.

Legally I can&#039;t see any reason to compel Sony to make an accessible product, unless there is some sort of implied warranty that leads disabled customers to assume it will be accessible.

Morally, I can see a very good argument for requiring publishers make at least some concessions so that disabled players can fully experience their products within reasonable expectations.

But, like what the author has written... this is all words, and nothing more. What I say and what they say is probably not going to actually help anyone with a disability. Unfortunately the lawsuit may not either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I follow the author&#8217;s arguments, though I do see the logic in them. It just seems that the points they are making are some of the less important ones.</p>
<p>Legally I can&#8217;t see any reason to compel Sony to make an accessible product, unless there is some sort of implied warranty that leads disabled customers to assume it will be accessible.</p>
<p>Morally, I can see a very good argument for requiring publishers make at least some concessions so that disabled players can fully experience their products within reasonable expectations.</p>
<p>But, like what the author has written&#8230; this is all words, and nothing more. What I say and what they say is probably not going to actually help anyone with a disability. Unfortunately the lawsuit may not either.</p>
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		<title>By: theawesomerobot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632101</link>
		<dc:creator>theawesomerobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Apple have to make an iPod for deaf people? </description>
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		<title>By: meelar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632102</link>
		<dc:creator>meelar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now I know not to read the guy&#039;s book.  The notion that there&#039;s no harm involved in refusing to rent to someone on the basis of their ethnicity is farcical.  How would you feel if you expressed an interest in an apartment and were denied on that basis? It&#039;s a basic failure of empathy which the author tries to spin into &quot;look at me, I&#039;m so contrarian&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now I know not to read the guy&#8217;s book.  The notion that there&#8217;s no harm involved in refusing to rent to someone on the basis of their ethnicity is farcical.  How would you feel if you expressed an interest in an apartment and were denied on that basis? It&#8217;s a basic failure of empathy which the author tries to spin into &#8220;look at me, I&#8217;m so contrarian&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingmar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632103</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brainspore beat me to it: the comparision doesn&#039;t fly, Sony&#039;s product is just not suited to the blind person. The way I couldn&#039;t force them to release a title in English (since I don&#039;t speak Japanese), or, as a prospective tenant (Albanian or not) have my landlord install, say, indoor plumbing so his property suits my needs better, I don&#039;t think Sony can be forced to change their products. (When I say &quot;can&quot; I mean &quot;should&quot; really, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brainspore beat me to it: the comparision doesn&#8217;t fly, Sony&#8217;s product is just not suited to the blind person. The way I couldn&#8217;t force them to release a title in English (since I don&#8217;t speak Japanese), or, as a prospective tenant (Albanian or not) have my landlord install, say, indoor plumbing so his property suits my needs better, I don&#8217;t think Sony can be forced to change their products. (When I say &#8220;can&#8221; I mean &#8220;should&#8221; really, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632109</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this guy going to sue ABC or FOX next for not providing blind friendly TV? 
He is BLIND, partially. Is he going to sue his parents for the bad genes or the fork that did it to him. 
Why do people feel that they are entitled to everything?
As For Sony, somehow Making video games for the blind doesn&#039;t seem as sensible or lucrative as making them for those who can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this guy going to sue ABC or FOX next for not providing blind friendly TV?<br />
He is BLIND, partially. Is he going to sue his parents for the bad genes or the fork that did it to him.<br />
Why do people feel that they are entitled to everything?<br />
As For Sony, somehow Making video games for the blind doesn&#8217;t seem as sensible or lucrative as making them for those who can see.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucket</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632114</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The second argument has to be the dumbest thing I&#039;ve ever read. The first argument has its flaws, but the second one is off in space.

By making fewer apartments available to group X she&#039;s somehow *reducing* rents? WTF? Macroeconomiwhatsit? That doesn&#039;t make the slightest bit of sense. 

I&#039;m sure with enough tuning you could create a pathological model where that might be the case, but that&#039;s just going to be academic wankery - you&#039;d never wind up with a situation like that in the real world. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The second argument has to be the dumbest thing I&#8217;ve ever read. The first argument has its flaws, but the second one is off in space.</p>
<p>By making fewer apartments available to group X she&#8217;s somehow *reducing* rents? WTF? Macroeconomiwhatsit? That doesn&#8217;t make the slightest bit of sense. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure with enough tuning you could create a pathological model where that might be the case, but that&#8217;s just going to be academic wankery &#8211; you&#8217;d never wind up with a situation like that in the real world. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole situation is ridiculous.  Does the person who&#039;s partially blind get a drivers license?  No because it&#039;s a matter of safety.  But the argument could rightly be made that it&#039;s discriminatory because the car is a necessity to daily life.

This is simply put, someone using the ADA for his own convenience. Ramps for people to gain access to public transportation and buildings and live their lives?  Absolutely yes.  Some kid who wants a company to spend millions to satisfy the gaming needs of one person?  Hell no.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole situation is ridiculous.  Does the person who&#8217;s partially blind get a drivers license?  No because it&#8217;s a matter of safety.  But the argument could rightly be made that it&#8217;s discriminatory because the car is a necessity to daily life.</p>
<p>This is simply put, someone using the ADA for his own convenience. Ramps for people to gain access to public transportation and buildings and live their lives?  Absolutely yes.  Some kid who wants a company to spend millions to satisfy the gaming needs of one person?  Hell no.  </p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632117</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see... so being an Albanian is a disability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see&#8230; so being an Albanian is a disability?</p>
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		<title>By: Jayel Aheram</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632119</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayel Aheram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is legal is not always what is ethical.

The question is: how much coercion (back by the state&#039;s capacity for violence), if any, is ethical?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is legal is not always what is ethical.</p>
<p>The question is: how much coercion (back by the state&#8217;s capacity for violence), if any, is ethical?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632120</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with other posters saying the landlord analogy is a very poor one. The wheelchair ramp comparison is more to the point.

I gotta say: it sucks that more things aren&#039;t made more accessible to the disabled, but at the same time, making every product manufactured accessible to *everyone* would put a lot of places out of business because of the expense vs. consumption/demand of such modified products. 

The question would be, then, what are reasonable concessions and who would bear the (considerable) expense of making various services/products/etc. accessible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with other posters saying the landlord analogy is a very poor one. The wheelchair ramp comparison is more to the point.</p>
<p>I gotta say: it sucks that more things aren&#8217;t made more accessible to the disabled, but at the same time, making every product manufactured accessible to *everyone* would put a lot of places out of business because of the expense vs. consumption/demand of such modified products. </p>
<p>The question would be, then, what are reasonable concessions and who would bear the (considerable) expense of making various services/products/etc. accessible?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632131</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused. We&#039;re talking about *video* games, right? Is it &quot;reasonable accommodation&quot; to create alternate versions for what is essentially a sight-specific product? If it were a broadcast video game, like a broadcast television station, you might have a point. But I think theawesomerobot&#039;s point about iPods for the deaf is a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused. We&#8217;re talking about *video* games, right? Is it &#8220;reasonable accommodation&#8221; to create alternate versions for what is essentially a sight-specific product? If it were a broadcast video game, like a broadcast television station, you might have a point. But I think theawesomerobot&#8217;s point about iPods for the deaf is a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: SamLL</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632133</link>
		<dc:creator>SamLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My first argument is that Mary never had any moral obligation to rent to anyone in the first placeâ€”and if she has no general obligation to rent to anyone, then she can have no specific obligation to rent to Albanians.&lt;/i&gt;

This does not logically follow. The argument presented is:

* Mary has no obligation to do A.
* Mary has no obligation to do B.
* Therefore, it cannot be the case that if she does do A, she has an obligation to do B.

Substitute in, for example, A = &quot;drive a car&quot; and B = &quot;refrain from drinking heavily&quot;, or A = &quot;own a gun&quot; and B = &quot;learn how to use a gun safely&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My first argument is that Mary never had any moral obligation to rent to anyone in the first placeâ€”and if she has no general obligation to rent to anyone, then she can have no specific obligation to rent to Albanians.</i></p>
<p>This does not logically follow. The argument presented is:</p>
<p>* Mary has no obligation to do A.<br />
* Mary has no obligation to do B.<br />
* Therefore, it cannot be the case that if she does do A, she has an obligation to do B.</p>
<p>Substitute in, for example, A = &#8220;drive a car&#8221; and B = &#8220;refrain from drinking heavily&#8221;, or A = &#8220;own a gun&#8221; and B = &#8220;learn how to use a gun safely&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: RickB</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632391</link>
		<dc:creator>RickB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would leave the Sony issue to someone other than a libertarian publicity hound who justifies racism. </description>
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		<title>By: delt664</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632906</link>
		<dc:creator>delt664</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landsburg&#039;s analogy of an apartment discriminating based on an ethnicity is truly a bad one.  Without getting into the legality or morality of this, the landlord is actively denying someone access to a commodity.  Sony is not actively refusing to sell a commodity to anyone.

The root question here is this : Should every commercial product meet every need for every person with any type of disability?   Achieving this on a practical level a great many commodities would be impossible, and have a chilling effect on the market.

After the basic human rights of work, shelter, education, and information have been met for people with additional needs, the rest must be left to the free market.  As far as I am concerned, playing video games is not a basic human right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landsburg&#8217;s analogy of an apartment discriminating based on an ethnicity is truly a bad one.  Without getting into the legality or morality of this, the landlord is actively denying someone access to a commodity.  Sony is not actively refusing to sell a commodity to anyone.</p>
<p>The root question here is this : Should every commercial product meet every need for every person with any type of disability?   Achieving this on a practical level a great many commodities would be impossible, and have a chilling effect on the market.</p>
<p>After the basic human rights of work, shelter, education, and information have been met for people with additional needs, the rest must be left to the free market.  As far as I am concerned, playing video games is not a basic human right.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, and I was thinking about an even more drastic reducto ad absurdium argument.   To wit: Drinks are on me once I win my lawsuit against the major museums of the world for not making such classic 2D art as Van Gogh&#039;s Starry Night accessible to the blind.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, and I was thinking about an even more drastic reducto ad absurdium argument.   To wit: Drinks are on me once I win my lawsuit against the major museums of the world for not making such classic 2D art as Van Gogh&#8217;s Starry Night accessible to the blind.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Despite the good that has been done in the name of &quot;Affirmative Action,&quot; it has also engendered a vast amount of hostility from White Americans (especially white male Americans) who would not have been exactly racially biased toward minorities and women because of a degree of personal inconvenience that they have suffered in an attempt to legislate fairness.&quot;

Because, clearly, the effects of Affirmative Action and ADA on the able-bodied white man is more important then the persons these acts purported to help, amrite?  (Of course, if any of those tragically inconvenienced able-bodied white men would bother to look up these regulations as to how they actually work and not how Rush Limbaugh thinks they work...but hey, far be it from me to kill anyone&#039;s colorblind post-racism illusions.)

IN THIS CASE, accessibility is perhaps not something that can really be helped, for whatever reason.  That hardly means you should throw out the entire endeavor because it sometimes inconveniences some people.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Despite the good that has been done in the name of &#8220;Affirmative Action,&#8221; it has also engendered a vast amount of hostility from White Americans (especially white male Americans) who would not have been exactly racially biased toward minorities and women because of a degree of personal inconvenience that they have suffered in an attempt to legislate fairness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because, clearly, the effects of Affirmative Action and ADA on the able-bodied white man is more important then the persons these acts purported to help, amrite?  (Of course, if any of those tragically inconvenienced able-bodied white men would bother to look up these regulations as to how they actually work and not how Rush Limbaugh thinks they work&#8230;but hey, far be it from me to kill anyone&#8217;s colorblind post-racism illusions.)</p>
<p>IN THIS CASE, accessibility is perhaps not something that can really be helped, for whatever reason.  That hardly means you should throw out the entire endeavor because it sometimes inconveniences some people.     </p>
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		<title>By: Gutierrez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gutierrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are all motion pictures required by law to have handicap accessible features such as subtitles and enhanced audio track for the blind on all released products?

Are all commercial websites required to conform to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG/&quot;&gt;WCAG 2.0 Guidelines?&lt;/a&gt;

As private entities they could score points on the moral front by integrating things like enhanced audio and larger fonts for the visually impaired.  But they&#039;re going to figure out if the brownie points and a small additional market share is cost effective before they pour time and money into that area.

Still, the alternative interfaces that could come out of playing around with this would be fun to think about. A licensed Marvel Daredevil game with no visual feedback?  I&#039;d pay for the gimmick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are all motion pictures required by law to have handicap accessible features such as subtitles and enhanced audio track for the blind on all released products?</p>
<p>Are all commercial websites required to conform to the <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG/">WCAG 2.0 Guidelines?</a></p>
<p>As private entities they could score points on the moral front by integrating things like enhanced audio and larger fonts for the visually impaired.  But they&#8217;re going to figure out if the brownie points and a small additional market share is cost effective before they pour time and money into that area.</p>
<p>Still, the alternative interfaces that could come out of playing around with this would be fun to think about. A licensed Marvel Daredevil game with no visual feedback?  I&#8217;d pay for the gimmick.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>By the logic of that anit-albanian example, doesn&#039;t sony help the partially blind by keeping sighted people indoors. As they&#039;re not riding bikes, driving cars, or casually wandering outside crowding up the streets, public transport and venues where they may bump into or accidentally knock down the partially sighted who cannot see them well enough to avoid them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the logic of that anit-albanian example, doesn&#8217;t sony help the partially blind by keeping sighted people indoors. As they&#8217;re not riding bikes, driving cars, or casually wandering outside crowding up the streets, public transport and venues where they may bump into or accidentally knock down the partially sighted who cannot see them well enough to avoid them?</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan_v</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632150</link>
		<dc:creator>jonathan_v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m deeply troubled by the writer as well.

The Sony issue is about trying to force a company to create new goods that appeal to a specific audience -- which would amount to The State or Citizenry forcing entities to act in a certain manner.  The Apartment issue is about discriminating on the sale of existing goods -- which is both ethically abhorrent as it also goes against the concept of economic free markets and equality.

I can&#039;t understand how Landsburg sees any relation between these two.  I&#039;m also surprised that someone who would suggest something as ridiculous as this was able to get a book deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m deeply troubled by the writer as well.</p>
<p>The Sony issue is about trying to force a company to create new goods that appeal to a specific audience &#8212; which would amount to The State or Citizenry forcing entities to act in a certain manner.  The Apartment issue is about discriminating on the sale of existing goods &#8212; which is both ethically abhorrent as it also goes against the concept of economic free markets and equality.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t understand how Landsburg sees any relation between these two.  I&#8217;m also surprised that someone who would suggest something as ridiculous as this was able to get a book deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632407</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous @ #54 &amp; #66,

Why aren&#039;t you signing in?  Are you having problems?</description>
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<p>Why aren&#8217;t you signing in?  Are you having problems?</p>
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		<title>By: BWChicago</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632154</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you push that Albanian example just a little further, you get &lt;a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining&gt;Redlining.&lt;/a&gt; Totally absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you push that Albanian example just a little further, you get <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining>Redlining.</a> Totally absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: daev</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632155</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with others here who have pointed out that the authors arguments are off in the weeds, so I&#039;ll stick to SONY. I can&#039;t see that they are under any legal or moral obligation to unwillingly incorporate additional suitability into their product. 

That&#039;s not saying that they &lt;i&gt;shouldn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt;, mind you. Besides being the nice thing to do it would generate some good PR. Sadly, both of these concepts are lost on SONY. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with others here who have pointed out that the authors arguments are off in the weeds, so I&#8217;ll stick to SONY. I can&#8217;t see that they are under any legal or moral obligation to unwillingly incorporate additional suitability into their product. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not saying that they <i>shouldn&#8217;t</i>, mind you. Besides being the nice thing to do it would generate some good PR. Sadly, both of these concepts are lost on SONY. </p>
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		<title>By: mralistair</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632156</link>
		<dc:creator>mralistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the UK the disabled discrimination act basically sets out that you should provide your services available to all regardless of disability and if you can make this better by making &#039;reasonable&#039; alterations you should do so.

it&#039;s basically a minefield.. but a well intentioned one. what it boils down to is if you are a hairdresser or a lawyer and your shop isn&#039;t accesable you would agree to make a home visit or hire a space that was.

Taken to it&#039;s illogical extent then it&#039;s ipods for the deaf etc etc. but it all comes down to what would be reasonable.. I&#039;m also not sure it applies to goods as well as services.

It certainly applies to buildings and is very tricky to reach a compromise with (how do you fit a lightswitch that will suit someone 3 foot tall and someone 8 foot tall.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the UK the disabled discrimination act basically sets out that you should provide your services available to all regardless of disability and if you can make this better by making &#8216;reasonable&#8217; alterations you should do so.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s basically a minefield.. but a well intentioned one. what it boils down to is if you are a hairdresser or a lawyer and your shop isn&#8217;t accesable you would agree to make a home visit or hire a space that was.</p>
<p>Taken to it&#8217;s illogical extent then it&#8217;s ipods for the deaf etc etc. but it all comes down to what would be reasonable.. I&#8217;m also not sure it applies to goods as well as services.</p>
<p>It certainly applies to buildings and is very tricky to reach a compromise with (how do you fit a lightswitch that will suit someone 3 foot tall and someone 8 foot tall.) </p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632159</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landsburg is wrong on both counts. Unless Mary the landlord is building her apartments on land carved out of the aether with her own two hands, she&#039;s taking up resources that could be used by non-bigots. Back here in the real world, Mary&#039;s apartments will be owned, and rented by someone, whether it&#039;s her or not. By refusing to rent to Albanians, she&#039;s forcing them to compete for a smaller portion of the apartment market, and thus driving up the price they must pay.

As for Sony, they would substantially benefit from being forced to support blind gamers. Their multimillion dollar titles could easily absorb the cost of token support, but many indie developers would be driven out of business or wouldn&#039;t be able to start up in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landsburg is wrong on both counts. Unless Mary the landlord is building her apartments on land carved out of the aether with her own two hands, she&#8217;s taking up resources that could be used by non-bigots. Back here in the real world, Mary&#8217;s apartments will be owned, and rented by someone, whether it&#8217;s her or not. By refusing to rent to Albanians, she&#8217;s forcing them to compete for a smaller portion of the apartment market, and thus driving up the price they must pay.</p>
<p>As for Sony, they would substantially benefit from being forced to support blind gamers. Their multimillion dollar titles could easily absorb the cost of token support, but many indie developers would be driven out of business or wouldn&#8217;t be able to start up in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: ill lich</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632161</link>
		<dc:creator>ill lich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering just the other day what Steve Landsberg has been doing since Barney Miller went off the air, he was great as Dietrich.

I didn&#039;t realize he was such a jerk though-- he seems to be saying there&#039;s no real moral obligation for anything, hence no morals (&quot;. . . Iâ€™m given a free pass to do no good at all&quot;).  Nice.

If we were allowed to rent or hire based on race, how long before only the star-bellied Sneetches had the money and power?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering just the other day what Steve Landsberg has been doing since Barney Miller went off the air, he was great as Dietrich.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realize he was such a jerk though&#8211; he seems to be saying there&#8217;s no real moral obligation for anything, hence no morals (&#8220;. . . Iâ€™m given a free pass to do no good at all&#8221;).  Nice.</p>
<p>If we were allowed to rent or hire based on race, how long before only the star-bellied Sneetches had the money and power?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerril</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I&#039;d settle if they made an iPod that wasn&#039;t actively hostile to BLIND people. Seriously, the iPod is like the perfect audio device to be bordering on useless for someone who is blind (A prime market for portable audio devices).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I&#8217;d settle if they made an iPod that wasn&#8217;t actively hostile to BLIND people. Seriously, the iPod is like the perfect audio device to be bordering on useless for someone who is blind (A prime market for portable audio devices).</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/09/is-sony-legally-requ.html#comment-632170</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter your take on the Sony issue, I think we&#039;re all in agreement that &lt;strong&gt;Steven Landsburg sucks at making analogies.&lt;/strong&gt; He&#039;s like a mint-flavored hippo trying to regurgitate a Scientologist, amirite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter your take on the Sony issue, I think we&#8217;re all in agreement that <strong>Steven Landsburg sucks at making analogies.</strong> He&#8217;s like a mint-flavored hippo trying to regurgitate a Scientologist, amirite?</p>
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