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	<title>Comments on: The Edge Case: Indies Rally To Raise Copyfight&#160;Awareness</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-641046</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edge Games seem to be developing a game called &quot;mirrors&quot; maybe they are gonna go after mirror&#039;s edge after all. I mean cmon. Mirrors! by Edge games, thats close enoug for a lawsuit right? hahahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edge Games seem to be developing a game called &#8220;mirrors&#8221; maybe they are gonna go after mirror&#8217;s edge after all. I mean cmon. Mirrors! by Edge games, thats close enoug for a lawsuit right? hahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: RevEng</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634915</link>
		<dc:creator>RevEng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s also not forget the purpose of trademark law.  Unlike copyright, it&#039;s not a matter of &quot;I thought of it, so I get to use it however I want,&quot; but rather, it&#039;s a consumer protection: &quot;We don&#039;t want poor people being duped into thinking they bought an Apple iPhone when they really bought a substandard clone, so we&#039;ll sue people who try to be sneaky.&quot;

I can&#039;t imagine anybody who bought Mirror&#039;s Edge did so because they thought it was made by Edge Games.  In fact, I doubt many people even knew who Edge Games was until this whole fiasco started -- indeed, the name has now become popular enough that it might require trademark protection.  But it certainly didn&#039;t need protection before -- it had no products to be confused with and no reputation to lean on.

If you want a great example, look for a company named Paragon Manufacturing.  Or distribution.  Or lawn care.  Yes, that&#039;s right, there are dozens, perhaps hundreds of companies whose name is Paragon.  It certainly doesn&#039;t cause trademark issues.

Langdell&#039;s only weapon is the inability for most indies to put up with a court battle.  Even if Langdell couldn&#039;t bring it to court, the very threat would cause many people to settle (see the RIAA/MPAA lawsuits).

I hope EA has a hey-day with him.  Anybody willing to abuse the system deserves to feel its wraith come back on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s also not forget the purpose of trademark law.  Unlike copyright, it&#8217;s not a matter of &#8220;I thought of it, so I get to use it however I want,&#8221; but rather, it&#8217;s a consumer protection: &#8220;We don&#8217;t want poor people being duped into thinking they bought an Apple iPhone when they really bought a substandard clone, so we&#8217;ll sue people who try to be sneaky.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine anybody who bought Mirror&#8217;s Edge did so because they thought it was made by Edge Games.  In fact, I doubt many people even knew who Edge Games was until this whole fiasco started &#8212; indeed, the name has now become popular enough that it might require trademark protection.  But it certainly didn&#8217;t need protection before &#8212; it had no products to be confused with and no reputation to lean on.</p>
<p>If you want a great example, look for a company named Paragon Manufacturing.  Or distribution.  Or lawn care.  Yes, that&#8217;s right, there are dozens, perhaps hundreds of companies whose name is Paragon.  It certainly doesn&#8217;t cause trademark issues.</p>
<p>Langdell&#8217;s only weapon is the inability for most indies to put up with a court battle.  Even if Langdell couldn&#8217;t bring it to court, the very threat would cause many people to settle (see the RIAA/MPAA lawsuits).</p>
<p>I hope EA has a hey-day with him.  Anybody willing to abuse the system deserves to feel its wraith come back on them.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634921</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I wish we all lived in Russia, where vodka and contract killings are at bargain prices.

This guy seriously deserves to die.</description>
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<p>This guy seriously deserves to die.</p>
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		<title>By: benher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-635700</link>
		<dc:creator>benher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more you try to bury something, the more people are going to want to talk about it... Gotta hand it to those edgy indies!</description>
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		<title>By: statueofmike</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-645690</link>
		<dc:creator>statueofmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m embarrassed to say I knew Tim Langdell. I was attending a video game production summer camp kind of thing at USC, and they chose him to be our instructor!

How did he instruct us in the arts of video game production? With some kind of incoherent speech about design process and 40 WoW beta subscriptions he conned Blizzard out of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m embarrassed to say I knew Tim Langdell. I was attending a video game production summer camp kind of thing at USC, and they chose him to be our instructor!</p>
<p>How did he instruct us in the arts of video game production? With some kind of incoherent speech about design process and 40 WoW beta subscriptions he conned Blizzard out of.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-635198</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a little tiff going on right now about Google&#039;s Go language. Seems a Mr. McCabe wrote an obscure little language called Go! many years ago, and has entered bug report #9 against the language, asking Google to rename the language. Many people have rallied behind him -- if not for the sake of his claim, for the amusement at Google not Googling the language name -- and have asked Google to change the name to &quot;Issue 9&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a little tiff going on right now about Google&#8217;s Go language. Seems a Mr. McCabe wrote an obscure little language called Go! many years ago, and has entered bug report #9 against the language, asking Google to rename the language. Many people have rallied behind him &#8212; if not for the sake of his claim, for the amusement at Google not Googling the language name &#8212; and have asked Google to change the name to &#8220;Issue 9&#8243;.</p>
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		<title>By: octopod</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-635460</link>
		<dc:creator>octopod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;quietly storming under the surface for the better part of this year. 

err, no, it rose to the surface after simon parkers edge of reason article at eurogamer http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/the-edge-of-reason at the start of august, every blog covered it, and he was off the igda board by the end of the month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>quietly storming under the surface for the better part of this year. </p>
<p>err, no, it rose to the surface after simon parkers edge of reason article at eurogamer <a href="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/the-edge-of-reason" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/the-edge-of-reason</a> at the start of august, every blog covered it, and he was off the igda board by the end of the month.</p>
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		<title>By: The Chemist</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-635213</link>
		<dc:creator>The Chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me so fucking happy.</description>
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		<title>By: zyodei</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-635487</link>
		<dc:creator>zyodei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how if you look at the web site for the &quot;Edge Racers&quot; game (soon to be released in September), at about 7 seconds in to the video you see a logo that is an obvious rip off of IBM.

http://www.edge-racers.com/

Or the what happens when you hit the &quot;games&quot; button the the Edge website: you get a non copy and pasteable list of various games for the Commodore 64 and &quot;ZX Spectrum&quot;.

Or this, supposedly from an old wikipedia page: &quot;prior to entering the nascent game industry, Langdell had two quite different careers: first as an astrophysicist and then as a clinical psychologist where he used his training as a physical scientist to do some of the first computer-based research into Autism using eye tracking and face perception techniques.&quot;

Apparently he is faculty at some online university, that looks to be about as reputable as he is: 

 http://tr.im/ERGs

Or this, from a description of the game Mythora: &quot;Mythora is an older product in our range, launched in 2004. It does not currently have up to date video or sound card drivers and thus may not work on all current PC systems.&quot;

Who the hell ever heard of a game containing drivers in the first place?

And, if Mythora is &quot;an older product in [their] range,&quot; published in 2004, doesn&#039;t that pretty much demolish their 30 year old software company claim? ;)

I&#039;m not a big law and order type, but there is a name for this: criminal fraud, and he&#039;s asking and deserving of about five years in federal prison.

I have very little sympathy for those who use the threat of government power to harass and intimidate others.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how if you look at the web site for the &#8220;Edge Racers&#8221; game (soon to be released in September), at about 7 seconds in to the video you see a logo that is an obvious rip off of IBM.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edge-racers.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edge-racers.com/</a></p>
<p>Or the what happens when you hit the &#8220;games&#8221; button the the Edge website: you get a non copy and pasteable list of various games for the Commodore 64 and &#8220;ZX Spectrum&#8221;.</p>
<p>Or this, supposedly from an old wikipedia page: &#8220;prior to entering the nascent game industry, Langdell had two quite different careers: first as an astrophysicist and then as a clinical psychologist where he used his training as a physical scientist to do some of the first computer-based research into Autism using eye tracking and face perception techniques.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently he is faculty at some online university, that looks to be about as reputable as he is: </p>
<p> <a href="http://tr.im/ERGs" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/ERGs</a></p>
<p>Or this, from a description of the game Mythora: &#8220;Mythora is an older product in our range, launched in 2004. It does not currently have up to date video or sound card drivers and thus may not work on all current PC systems.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who the hell ever heard of a game containing drivers in the first place?</p>
<p>And, if Mythora is &#8220;an older product in [their] range,&#8221; published in 2004, doesn&#8217;t that pretty much demolish their 30 year old software company claim? ;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a big law and order type, but there is a name for this: criminal fraud, and he&#8217;s asking and deserving of about five years in federal prison.</p>
<p>I have very little sympathy for those who use the threat of government power to harass and intimidate others.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634993</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is issues like this why I think the trademark system is a joke.</description>
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		<title>By: Lobster</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-636041</link>
		<dc:creator>Lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I like Spelunky, I&#039;ve heard Yu is in talks wih Microsoft to make an XBLA version.  I know he&#039;d have to be stupid to throw that back in their face but MS is one of the vanguards of the wrong side of the &quot;copyfight&quot; war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I like Spelunky, I&#8217;ve heard Yu is in talks wih Microsoft to make an XBLA version.  I know he&#8217;d have to be stupid to throw that back in their face but MS is one of the vanguards of the wrong side of the &#8220;copyfight&#8221; war.</p>
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		<title>By: hep cat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-636553</link>
		<dc:creator>hep cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;and have asked Google to change the name to &quot;Issue 9&quot;.&#039;
After the Plan 9 port?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;and have asked Google to change the name to &#8220;Issue 9&#8243;.&#8217;<br />
After the Plan 9 port?</p>
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		<title>By: cymk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634764</link>
		<dc:creator>cymk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to the indie studios trying to &quot;stick it to the man&quot; as it were. I hope they succeed.  This reminds me of other sue happy companies (Hansen Beverage, and Monster Cable) who seem willing to sue the pants off anyone who can&#039;t put up the same legal muscle.  I hate people who abuse the system like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to the indie studios trying to &#8220;stick it to the man&#8221; as it were. I hope they succeed.  This reminds me of other sue happy companies (Hansen Beverage, and Monster Cable) who seem willing to sue the pants off anyone who can&#8217;t put up the same legal muscle.  I hate people who abuse the system like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Talia</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634775</link>
		<dc:creator>Talia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this guy sounds like a cretin. </description>
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		<title>By: Chevan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-635806</link>
		<dc:creator>Chevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #15 zyodei
National University appears to be a legitimate university. At the very least, they have quite a few physical campuses scattered around California.</description>
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National University appears to be a legitimate university. At the very least, they have quite a few physical campuses scattered around California.</p>
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		<title>By: denkbert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634795</link>
		<dc:creator>denkbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disgusting malevolent leech would certainly express it even better. You  might even add &quot;scum&quot; on top of it, since this guy belongs to a certain group of people society would be better off without.

Btw, Rockpapershotgun mentioned it as well: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/12/going-over-the-edge-indie-mass-protest/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgusting malevolent leech would certainly express it even better. You  might even add &#8220;scum&#8221; on top of it, since this guy belongs to a certain group of people society would be better off without.</p>
<p>Btw, Rockpapershotgun mentioned it as well: <a href="http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/12/going-over-the-edge-indie-mass-protest/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/12/going-over-the-edge-indie-mass-protest/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zippy Gonzales</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634807</link>
		<dc:creator>Zippy Gonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wedge politics at its finest!</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-636343</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we need next is a Flash-based web game: Lawyer&#039;s Edge, a basic &#039;interactive documentary&#039; in which you play Tim Langdell, start off with a piddling bit of cash, and utilize a toolkit of different legal strategies to coerce a small fortune out of so-call trademark infringers as they use the word &#039;edge&#039; throughout the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we need next is a Flash-based web game: Lawyer&#8217;s Edge, a basic &#8216;interactive documentary&#8217; in which you play Tim Langdell, start off with a piddling bit of cash, and utilize a toolkit of different legal strategies to coerce a small fortune out of so-call trademark infringers as they use the word &#8216;edge&#8217; throughout the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634809</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be left out... http://www.lazy8studios.com/2009/edge_of_dimensionality</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be left out&#8230; <a href="http://www.lazy8studios.com/2009/edge_of_dimensionality" rel="nofollow">http://www.lazy8studios.com/2009/edge_of_dimensionality</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-644026</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only are us indies ragging against Langdell, but us  devs in the Boston community (especially the IGDA members) are taking a stance against him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only are us indies ragging against Langdell, but us  devs in the Boston community (especially the IGDA members) are taking a stance against him.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-635602</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edge of Curling: http://col000r.blogspot.com/2009/11/edge-of-curling.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edge of Curling: <a href="http://col000r.blogspot.com/2009/11/edge-of-curling.html" rel="nofollow">http://col000r.blogspot.com/2009/11/edge-of-curling.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe in Australia</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634837</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe in Australia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing about trademark law is, the more he defends his trademark the less it becomes a generic word. The less it becomes a generic word, the more of a case he has for future defenses. And so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing about trademark law is, the more he defends his trademark the less it becomes a generic word. The less it becomes a generic word, the more of a case he has for future defenses. And so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam C</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634870</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an incredible douche! Patent and Trademark Trolls are just a few steps away from politicians on my despise-o-meter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an incredible douche! Patent and Trademark Trolls are just a few steps away from politicians on my despise-o-meter.</p>
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		<title>By: Talia</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-634871</link>
		<dc:creator>Talia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if he&#039;s sued U2&#039;s The Edge yet. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if he&#8217;s sued U2&#8242;s The Edge yet. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/the-edge-case-indies.html#comment-635644</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this article interests me largely because I work for one of the many companies called &#039;edge&#039;, a large propoortion of which probably pre-date him. I&#039;m quite certain the word on its own is too common in australia to maintain a trademark, so we should be safe

but we do have huge letters spelling out &#039;edge&#039; on the building, the company website, the foyer, all our cars, and hundreds of thousands of business cards. I&#039;m sure he can find us if he wants to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this article interests me largely because I work for one of the many companies called &#8216;edge&#8217;, a large propoortion of which probably pre-date him. I&#8217;m quite certain the word on its own is too common in australia to maintain a trademark, so we should be safe</p>
<p>but we do have huge letters spelling out &#8216;edge&#8217; on the building, the company website, the foyer, all our cars, and hundreds of thousands of business cards. I&#8217;m sure he can find us if he wants to</p>
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