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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636417</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If somebody commits the victimless crime of crossing the border while using your device, and then commits a new crime involving identifiable victims, such as rape, murder or manslaughter, would your company accept moral responsibility?  It sounds fun and compassionate to help the huddled masses from the south safely cross, but it&#039;s dangerously naive to assume everyone who circumvents legal immigration laws are pure at heart.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If somebody commits the victimless crime of crossing the border while using your device, and then commits a new crime involving identifiable victims, such as rape, murder or manslaughter, would your company accept moral responsibility?  It sounds fun and compassionate to help the huddled masses from the south safely cross, but it&#8217;s dangerously naive to assume everyone who circumvents legal immigration laws are pure at heart.  </p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636418</link>
		<dc:creator>foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pecoto</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636420</link>
		<dc:creator>pecoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>  Assuming all illegal mexican immigrants are peace-loving feel good people who only want to work is as bad as assuming they are all here to cause trouble.  Some of the people coming north across the border are involved in the drug trade or fleeing the law, or simply acting as predators to the legitimate and honest workers who are coming north to work.  Surely it&#039;s not in anyone&#039;s best interests to help these people make it here safely?
   If all this misdirected energy and technology was spent on putting through legislation to have a more fair and sane guest worker program and immigration reforms, we could possible solve this mess so that it benefits both potential immigrants and current u.s. citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  Assuming all illegal mexican immigrants are peace-loving feel good people who only want to work is as bad as assuming they are all here to cause trouble.  Some of the people coming north across the border are involved in the drug trade or fleeing the law, or simply acting as predators to the legitimate and honest workers who are coming north to work.  Surely it&#8217;s not in anyone&#8217;s best interests to help these people make it here safely?<br />
   If all this misdirected energy and technology was spent on putting through legislation to have a more fair and sane guest worker program and immigration reforms, we could possible solve this mess so that it benefits both potential immigrants and current u.s. citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: greengestalt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636424</link>
		<dc:creator>greengestalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sickened by this.  No, I&#039;m not a &quot;Right Winger&quot; but I do agree that illegal immigration is a problem, though my solution involves simply enforcing existing laws, focusing on employers.  Dry up the pot, they won&#039;t cross over.


The real problem is that Mexico has deep problems and is overdue a revolution.  I don&#039;t bear malice to the Mexicans.  The phrase &quot;Don&#039;t judge a man till you&#039;ve been standing in his shoes&quot; applies, except I pray I and other Americans don&#039;t end up that desperate.  And if I was a Mexican, I&#039;d want to join their revolution and fight the corrupt government (they blew up a gas pipeline to a Hershey&#039;s plant a while back!) but my family would hold me back.  I&#039;d have relatives who&#039;d need me and if I fought I&#039;d just end up dead with little to show for it.  So I&#039;d risk going north, being treated like subhuman vermin to get money and send it home...


The rich elite on our side are using one group of people against another.  And America has tolerated this for years, except now it&#039;s affecting the mainstream like it did in the great depression.  The rich elite in Mexico use this as a &quot;Pressure valve&quot; to keep their revolution manageable.


What needs to be done is stop this false economy.  No more illegal immigrants hired or employers face the full weight of the law.  If they hire 8 illegals, they get the book thrown at then and when they get out of jail, they go through the whole thing again 7 times.  Have CEO&#039;s dragged from boardrooms by bounty hunters because one of their chain stores had an illegal worker in some midwestern state.  It could stop real quick.


And the Mexicans would go home and having no other choice, they&#039;d fight as hard as they work.  I&#039;m for giving them money, food, even weapons to help as they return.  It&#039;d be something we should do in the true revolutionary spirit of our founding fathers and a final &quot;Remember the Alamo!&quot;.  Not racist, but the fact that Mexico&#039;s elite are the heirs of those that butchered Davy Crockett and others at that famous standoff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sickened by this.  No, I&#8217;m not a &#8220;Right Winger&#8221; but I do agree that illegal immigration is a problem, though my solution involves simply enforcing existing laws, focusing on employers.  Dry up the pot, they won&#8217;t cross over.</p>
<p>The real problem is that Mexico has deep problems and is overdue a revolution.  I don&#8217;t bear malice to the Mexicans.  The phrase &#8220;Don&#8217;t judge a man till you&#8217;ve been standing in his shoes&#8221; applies, except I pray I and other Americans don&#8217;t end up that desperate.  And if I was a Mexican, I&#8217;d want to join their revolution and fight the corrupt government (they blew up a gas pipeline to a Hershey&#8217;s plant a while back!) but my family would hold me back.  I&#8217;d have relatives who&#8217;d need me and if I fought I&#8217;d just end up dead with little to show for it.  So I&#8217;d risk going north, being treated like subhuman vermin to get money and send it home&#8230;</p>
<p>The rich elite on our side are using one group of people against another.  And America has tolerated this for years, except now it&#8217;s affecting the mainstream like it did in the great depression.  The rich elite in Mexico use this as a &#8220;Pressure valve&#8221; to keep their revolution manageable.</p>
<p>What needs to be done is stop this false economy.  No more illegal immigrants hired or employers face the full weight of the law.  If they hire 8 illegals, they get the book thrown at then and when they get out of jail, they go through the whole thing again 7 times.  Have CEO&#8217;s dragged from boardrooms by bounty hunters because one of their chain stores had an illegal worker in some midwestern state.  It could stop real quick.</p>
<p>And the Mexicans would go home and having no other choice, they&#8217;d fight as hard as they work.  I&#8217;m for giving them money, food, even weapons to help as they return.  It&#8217;d be something we should do in the true revolutionary spirit of our founding fathers and a final &#8220;Remember the Alamo!&#8221;.  Not racist, but the fact that Mexico&#8217;s elite are the heirs of those that butchered Davy Crockett and others at that famous standoff.</p>
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		<title>By: The Chemist</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636426</link>
		<dc:creator>The Chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For the past few years youâ€™ve been working on the Transborder Immigrant Tool,
which sounds like itâ€™s really going to chafe the asses of millions of people&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, the comments section for this post is going to be so much fun.

I have to say, I do like it when people annoy the Minute Men (pronounced: mÄ«-ËˆnÃ¼t men).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For the past few years youâ€™ve been working on the Transborder Immigrant Tool,<br />
which sounds like itâ€™s really going to chafe the asses of millions of people</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, the comments section for this post is going to be so much fun.</p>
<p>I have to say, I do like it when people annoy the Minute Men (pronounced: mÄ«-ËˆnÃ¼t men).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636431</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats, you just invented a way the border patrol can track down illegal immigrants... drive along the vast barren desert looking for cell signals that aren&#039;t coming from your car using off the shelf law enforcement scanner technology.  Thanks, that&#039;s really going to help us track these people down!

The Desert: Darwin&#039;s immigration exam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats, you just invented a way the border patrol can track down illegal immigrants&#8230; drive along the vast barren desert looking for cell signals that aren&#8217;t coming from your car using off the shelf law enforcement scanner technology.  Thanks, that&#8217;s really going to help us track these people down!</p>
<p>The Desert: Darwin&#8217;s immigration exam.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636943</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need to make one for all immigrants, everywhere, so people escaping genocide in Rwanda or Serbia, fleeing dictatorship and economic apocalypse in Zimbabwe, or fleeing oppressive governments anywhere (someday maybe even your country, including the USA), can use a similar device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need to make one for all immigrants, everywhere, so people escaping genocide in Rwanda or Serbia, fleeing dictatorship and economic apocalypse in Zimbabwe, or fleeing oppressive governments anywhere (someday maybe even your country, including the USA), can use a similar device.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636432</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Assuming all illegal mexican immigrants are peace-loving feel good people who only want to work is as bad as assuming they are all here to cause trouble.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, weapons streaming from the US into Mexico are arming the drug lords. The US is responsible for the crime wave in Mexico, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Assuming all illegal mexican immigrants are peace-loving feel good people who only want to work is as bad as assuming they are all here to cause trouble.</i></p>
<p>Actually, weapons streaming from the US into Mexico are arming the drug lords. The US is responsible for the crime wave in Mexico, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636433</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The link has a space preceding the http.&lt;/i&gt;

Not any more.</description>
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<p>Not any more.</p>
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		<title>By: yish</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636435</link>
		<dc:creator>yish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as opposed to legal citizens, who are all law abiding Samaritans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as opposed to legal citizens, who are all law abiding Samaritans?</p>
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		<title>By: Machineintheghost</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636438</link>
		<dc:creator>Machineintheghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the lower middle class is most amusing, is it not?  Let us look down upon them and laugh.  Meanwhile, let us simultaneously frustrate the efforts of those Mexicans who would try to reform the notoriously corrupt Mexican government, while, at the same time, we can make the United States more like Mexico!  Which is great for us elites on either side of the border, if not so much for the peons below us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the lower middle class is most amusing, is it not?  Let us look down upon them and laugh.  Meanwhile, let us simultaneously frustrate the efforts of those Mexicans who would try to reform the notoriously corrupt Mexican government, while, at the same time, we can make the United States more like Mexico!  Which is great for us elites on either side of the border, if not so much for the peons below us!</p>
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		<title>By: The Chemist</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636951</link>
		<dc:creator>The Chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Designing cartographic software identifying places where people can find water in the desert is against federal law? Show me the statute. Last I checked you can still buy lovely bongs for smoking tobacco and small electronic balances for weighing your sugar packets. You can also still download microtorrent for free! Le GASP! 

(Also the &quot;federal&quot; in &quot;federal law&quot; starts with a lowercase &quot;f&quot;- it&#039;s really not that important.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Designing cartographic software identifying places where people can find water in the desert is against federal law? Show me the statute. Last I checked you can still buy lovely bongs for smoking tobacco and small electronic balances for weighing your sugar packets. You can also still download microtorrent for free! Le GASP! </p>
<p>(Also the &#8220;federal&#8221; in &#8220;federal law&#8221; starts with a lowercase &#8220;f&#8221;- it&#8217;s really not that important.)</p>
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		<title>By: Teller</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636440</link>
		<dc:creator>Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Transborder Immigrant Tool helps Mexicans cross over safely&quot;

Sucks for Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Panamanians and all the other whatevers from Central and South America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Transborder Immigrant Tool helps Mexicans cross over safely&#8221;</p>
<p>Sucks for Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Panamanians and all the other whatevers from Central and South America.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636696</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hundreds of people die every year trying to cross the deserts along the US-Mexico border.  Most of them from heat and dehydration.

There&#039;s lots of room for disagreement over how the US and the countries to its south should handle the ongoing migration northward.  And there&#039;s plenty of blame to go around for various failures of public policy.  

But nobody deserves to die for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hundreds of people die every year trying to cross the deserts along the US-Mexico border.  Most of them from heat and dehydration.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s lots of room for disagreement over how the US and the countries to its south should handle the ongoing migration northward.  And there&#8217;s plenty of blame to go around for various failures of public policy.  </p>
<p>But nobody deserves to die for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636443</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is awesome.  Not as awesome as open borders would be, or as awesome as the US stopping economically and environmentaly preying upon Mexico, but awesome nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome.  Not as awesome as open borders would be, or as awesome as the US stopping economically and environmentaly preying upon Mexico, but awesome nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: ackpht</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636444</link>
		<dc:creator>ackpht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone forgot to explain how this same information will be kept out of the hands of authorities. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone forgot to explain how this same information will be kept out of the hands of authorities. </p>
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		<title>By: kevinsky</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-637981</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Assuming all illegal mexican immigrants are peace-loving feel good people who only want to work is as bad as assuming they are all here to cause trouble.&quot;
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&quot;Actually, weapons streaming from the US into Mexico are arming the drug lords. The US is responsible for the crime wave in Mexico, not the other way around.&quot;

The presence of US weaponry certainly doesn&#039;t help, but it&#039;s probably not the root cause

We have American guns sneaking north into Canada too; smuggled American guns are used in something like 80% of Toronto&#039;s gun crimes, if I remember the figure thrown around in the last election correctly. But we don&#039;t have anything like the crime problems of Mexico. Ergo, the guns are not the cause, although they are probably an aggravating factor. 

We need Canadian minute men to keep US guns where they belong - in the US.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Assuming all illegal mexican immigrants are peace-loving feel good people who only want to work is as bad as assuming they are all here to cause trouble.&#8221;<br />
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&#8220;Actually, weapons streaming from the US into Mexico are arming the drug lords. The US is responsible for the crime wave in Mexico, not the other way around.&#8221;</p>
<p>The presence of US weaponry certainly doesn&#8217;t help, but it&#8217;s probably not the root cause</p>
<p>We have American guns sneaking north into Canada too; smuggled American guns are used in something like 80% of Toronto&#8217;s gun crimes, if I remember the figure thrown around in the last election correctly. But we don&#8217;t have anything like the crime problems of Mexico. Ergo, the guns are not the cause, although they are probably an aggravating factor. </p>
<p>We need Canadian minute men to keep US guns where they belong &#8211; in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636446</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now wait a minute here, is this thing designed to make 
more people try to cross the border, or to make it safer 
for the people who ARE going to try to cross with or 
without this  technology?

Those illegal alien workers help our businesses to prosper and I assume that a lot of the money they earn is being used to buy goods from American businesses, so I really don&#039;t have a problem with them being here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now wait a minute here, is this thing designed to make<br />
more people try to cross the border, or to make it safer<br />
for the people who ARE going to try to cross with or<br />
without this  technology?</p>
<p>Those illegal alien workers help our businesses to prosper and I assume that a lot of the money they earn is being used to buy goods from American businesses, so I really don&#8217;t have a problem with them being here.</p>
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		<title>By: danlalan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636447</link>
		<dc:creator>danlalan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Surely it&#039;s not in anyone&#039;s best interests to help these people make it here safely?&lt;/i&gt;

Who&#039;s interest does it serve to have &quot;these people&quot; die lost in the desert? 

The problem of illegal immigration absolutely needs to be addressed, and I hope that someday we can find solutions that will remove the incentives for people to risk everything to cross the border illegally. Possibly some combination of helping Mexico improve their economy so that people will not feel so desperate they are willing to risk their lives to seek work in the US and a realistic guest worker program so workers can enter the country legally can be achieved eventually, but until that time I can&#039;t find it within myself to wish that some of those who are the most in need die in the desert to discourage others from crossing illegally. 

Until the governments in the two countries can fix the underlying causes of illegal immigration, I say bravo to BANG labs for working to save peoples lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Surely it&#8217;s not in anyone&#8217;s best interests to help these people make it here safely?</i></p>
<p>Who&#8217;s interest does it serve to have &#8220;these people&#8221; die lost in the desert? </p>
<p>The problem of illegal immigration absolutely needs to be addressed, and I hope that someday we can find solutions that will remove the incentives for people to risk everything to cross the border illegally. Possibly some combination of helping Mexico improve their economy so that people will not feel so desperate they are willing to risk their lives to seek work in the US and a realistic guest worker program so workers can enter the country legally can be achieved eventually, but until that time I can&#8217;t find it within myself to wish that some of those who are the most in need die in the desert to discourage others from crossing illegally. </p>
<p>Until the governments in the two countries can fix the underlying causes of illegal immigration, I say bravo to BANG labs for working to save peoples lives.</p>
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		<title>By: darkbeanie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636449</link>
		<dc:creator>darkbeanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why on earth wouldn&#039;t they spend their time and energy developing a system that would *help* the border patrol, to make better use of a smaller number of people?  With better technology to locate people crossing the border, they could be caught and sent back before they harm themselves or die of thirst, starvation or exhaustion. And every additional person caught by the border patrol is rescued from a fate at the hands of the crazy Minutemen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why on earth wouldn&#8217;t they spend their time and energy developing a system that would *help* the border patrol, to make better use of a smaller number of people?  With better technology to locate people crossing the border, they could be caught and sent back before they harm themselves or die of thirst, starvation or exhaustion. And every additional person caught by the border patrol is rescued from a fate at the hands of the crazy Minutemen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hobomike</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636450</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. amazing.

I think the majority who attempt to cross the border though the desert are mostly those without means or connections...think women and children. It&#039;s extremely treacherous, and many do die attempting it. It&#039;s no wonder religious and humanitarian groups try to give assistance. Smugglers, potential terrorists and other bad people often have the means and connections to come over via more direct routesâ€”like in cars. I think the reality is the concept of hard borders is and will continue to be problematic and difficult to enforce. We are a nation of immigrants and will continue to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. amazing.</p>
<p>I think the majority who attempt to cross the border though the desert are mostly those without means or connections&#8230;think women and children. It&#8217;s extremely treacherous, and many do die attempting it. It&#8217;s no wonder religious and humanitarian groups try to give assistance. Smugglers, potential terrorists and other bad people often have the means and connections to come over via more direct routesâ€”like in cars. I think the reality is the concept of hard borders is and will continue to be problematic and difficult to enforce. We are a nation of immigrants and will continue to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Machineintheghost</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636455</link>
		<dc:creator>Machineintheghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How funny are those silly peasants -- I suppose we may call them &quot;red-necks,&quot; even if they are African-American -- who complain that their menial jobs will be taken from them.  Do they know nothing of the free market and the invisible hand?  Who are they to complain that their employment will be taken by immigrants from third-world counries, who will work under the table?     The price of labor is what the market will bear!  Harden your hearts to their mendacious claims that they cannot support their children!  The first duty of the government is to assure that labor remains cheap and expendible.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How funny are those silly peasants &#8212; I suppose we may call them &#8220;red-necks,&#8221; even if they are African-American &#8212; who complain that their menial jobs will be taken from them.  Do they know nothing of the free market and the invisible hand?  Who are they to complain that their employment will be taken by immigrants from third-world counries, who will work under the table?     The price of labor is what the market will bear!  Harden your hearts to their mendacious claims that they cannot support their children!  The first duty of the government is to assure that labor remains cheap and expendible.  </p>
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		<title>By: axiomista</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636456</link>
		<dc:creator>axiomista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of people here arguing that illegal immgrants facing the long trek through the desert include some criminals, so this life-saving tool is sickening or wrong. What?

I grew up in Nogales, Arizona, on the border. Hundreds of people, sometimes entire families, die in the desert *every year* trying to make it to the United States. Even if you believe they all deserve to be punished no matter their motives, death by heatstroke and dehydration is a harsh penalty. 

This is a human rights issue and I&#039;m disappointed in how quickly some BoingBoing readers jumped to score political points on immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people here arguing that illegal immgrants facing the long trek through the desert include some criminals, so this life-saving tool is sickening or wrong. What?</p>
<p>I grew up in Nogales, Arizona, on the border. Hundreds of people, sometimes entire families, die in the desert *every year* trying to make it to the United States. Even if you believe they all deserve to be punished no matter their motives, death by heatstroke and dehydration is a harsh penalty. </p>
<p>This is a human rights issue and I&#8217;m disappointed in how quickly some BoingBoing readers jumped to score political points on immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: LiquidOC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636460</link>
		<dc:creator>LiquidOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So....Torn?

I don&#039;t want people dieing in the desert....

but I ALSO don&#039;t want people entering this country illegally.....


We need reform on so many issues in America....how are we going to fix everything? Homosexual equality, health care, immigration, the economy, wars, food, famine, electricity, failing infrastructure, underfunded schools, record unemployment, I could go on for hours.

If we just wait a few more years to fix just a few of these problems.....we won&#039;t have to worry about &quot;them damn mexicans&quot; coming up here to find jobs....we&#039;ll all be headed down there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;.Torn?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want people dieing in the desert&#8230;.</p>
<p>but I ALSO don&#8217;t want people entering this country illegally&#8230;..</p>
<p>We need reform on so many issues in America&#8230;.how are we going to fix everything? Homosexual equality, health care, immigration, the economy, wars, food, famine, electricity, failing infrastructure, underfunded schools, record unemployment, I could go on for hours.</p>
<p>If we just wait a few more years to fix just a few of these problems&#8230;..we won&#8217;t have to worry about &#8220;them damn mexicans&#8221; coming up here to find jobs&#8230;.we&#8217;ll all be headed down there.</p>
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		<title>By: Machineintheghost</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636467</link>
		<dc:creator>Machineintheghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason people die making the trek North is because their home country sucks so much that they are willing to take the terrible risk of crossing to get a crappy job in the U.S.  I would do the same if I were in their position.  This will continue until their home countries suck much, much less.  Mexico is particularly notable, because it directly abuts the U.S., but a huge number of people from a huge number of countries with horrible governments would prefer to live in the U.S.  However, the U.S. can&#039;t take them all without becoming a crappy country itself.  It&#039;s like a lifeboat -- better to save ten people and float, rather than try to take fifty people and sink, drowning them all.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason people die making the trek North is because their home country sucks so much that they are willing to take the terrible risk of crossing to get a crappy job in the U.S.  I would do the same if I were in their position.  This will continue until their home countries suck much, much less.  Mexico is particularly notable, because it directly abuts the U.S., but a huge number of people from a huge number of countries with horrible governments would prefer to live in the U.S.  However, the U.S. can&#8217;t take them all without becoming a crappy country itself.  It&#8217;s like a lifeboat &#8212; better to save ten people and float, rather than try to take fifty people and sink, drowning them all.  </p>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636979</link>
		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it pretty hard to get worked up over illegal immigration.  I am pretty sure a non-trivial portion of my ancestry crossed more than couple of borders illegally or when the immigration check was a rubber stamp on Ellis Island.  In fact, for most Americans there is a very non-trivial chance that your ancestors did a little border hoping themselves.

Personally, I think that people willing to brave a deserts guarded by barbed wire, government authorities, and gun wielding red necks only to be dumped naked into a land where they speak a foreign language and the average family has the income of your entire village are actually EXACTLY the type of hardy bad asses that we should be letting in.  These are just modern day American pioneers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it pretty hard to get worked up over illegal immigration.  I am pretty sure a non-trivial portion of my ancestry crossed more than couple of borders illegally or when the immigration check was a rubber stamp on Ellis Island.  In fact, for most Americans there is a very non-trivial chance that your ancestors did a little border hoping themselves.</p>
<p>Personally, I think that people willing to brave a deserts guarded by barbed wire, government authorities, and gun wielding red necks only to be dumped naked into a land where they speak a foreign language and the average family has the income of your entire village are actually EXACTLY the type of hardy bad asses that we should be letting in.  These are just modern day American pioneers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636468</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a heart for immigrants and undocumented workers. but like a previous post said, the problem isn&#039;t the workers, its the greedy people who dont want to pay a citizen a decent wage for what should be dignified jobs. Mowing a lawn and working a kitchen used to be jobs of dignity for working class folks and youngsters. BUT since we have a bunch of anti union turn coats in washington and the business community we have relaxed enforcement of labor laws and little or no enforcement. In return for giving up on worker&#039;s rights we get a trickle down of disrespect in general for workers of ll backgrounds and typically see abuse towards undocumented workers who do make it here. To top it off this country is working hard to churn out McDummies who cant even do jobs that the undocumented workers have the cajones to do. Mexico is overdue for a revolution and so is the United Snakes.... Give it 2 more generations, the McDummies will spawn even worse off McDummies and voila! revolution against the oligarchical capitalists. burn baby burn. wish I was going to be here to see the exodus happen. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a heart for immigrants and undocumented workers. but like a previous post said, the problem isn&#8217;t the workers, its the greedy people who dont want to pay a citizen a decent wage for what should be dignified jobs. Mowing a lawn and working a kitchen used to be jobs of dignity for working class folks and youngsters. BUT since we have a bunch of anti union turn coats in washington and the business community we have relaxed enforcement of labor laws and little or no enforcement. In return for giving up on worker&#8217;s rights we get a trickle down of disrespect in general for workers of ll backgrounds and typically see abuse towards undocumented workers who do make it here. To top it off this country is working hard to churn out McDummies who cant even do jobs that the undocumented workers have the cajones to do. Mexico is overdue for a revolution and so is the United Snakes&#8230;. Give it 2 more generations, the McDummies will spawn even worse off McDummies and voila! revolution against the oligarchical capitalists. burn baby burn. wish I was going to be here to see the exodus happen. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636470</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I canÂ´t believe so much angry reactions. Hobomike is right, dealers and criminals donÂ´t need to risk their life in the desert: they are lords, they have connections. This is a great example of technology that could save lives. Even if the device is later used by the border patrol to track immigrants, people at BANG are giving people a chance to survive. No one loses with this. Americans can track immigrants and immigrants can get a better chance of surviving. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I canÂ´t believe so much angry reactions. Hobomike is right, dealers and criminals donÂ´t need to risk their life in the desert: they are lords, they have connections. This is a great example of technology that could save lives. Even if the device is later used by the border patrol to track immigrants, people at BANG are giving people a chance to survive. No one loses with this. Americans can track immigrants and immigrants can get a better chance of surviving. </p>
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		<title>By: Cefeida</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636728</link>
		<dc:creator>Cefeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were easier to enter America legally, people wouldn&#039;t risk death crossing the desert to do it. I&#039;m foreign, I&#039;ve been through the tourist visa process, it&#039;s ridiculous and demeaning. Did you know this hard-to-obtain visa is not a guarantee of entry, but only a permission to ask permission for entry? I know people who have flown across the ocean only to be turned away at the border and made to fly right back again, for no good reason.

And I like America, it&#039;s a cool country, but every time someone says &#039;they shouldn&#039;t try to come here illegally&#039; I just sigh. Why do you think they&#039;re trying to escape from their third world hell into a country that proclaims itself to be the land of freedom and opportunity and is filled with virtually nothing but immigrants and their children? For kicks? To annoy those who got there a few decades earlier? They risk their lives for the fun of it?

No, they risk their lives because they are desperate. Their method may not deserve support, but they deserve compassion and respect and not to be treated like pests. I have relatives currently in the US who came over years ago and stayed, illegally. They were fleeing from a repressive, communist government. They wanted to live in a country that respected freedom, where, even working in jobs well below their potential, they would not be denied basic human rights. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s an insult to America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were easier to enter America legally, people wouldn&#8217;t risk death crossing the desert to do it. I&#8217;m foreign, I&#8217;ve been through the tourist visa process, it&#8217;s ridiculous and demeaning. Did you know this hard-to-obtain visa is not a guarantee of entry, but only a permission to ask permission for entry? I know people who have flown across the ocean only to be turned away at the border and made to fly right back again, for no good reason.</p>
<p>And I like America, it&#8217;s a cool country, but every time someone says &#8216;they shouldn&#8217;t try to come here illegally&#8217; I just sigh. Why do you think they&#8217;re trying to escape from their third world hell into a country that proclaims itself to be the land of freedom and opportunity and is filled with virtually nothing but immigrants and their children? For kicks? To annoy those who got there a few decades earlier? They risk their lives for the fun of it?</p>
<p>No, they risk their lives because they are desperate. Their method may not deserve support, but they deserve compassion and respect and not to be treated like pests. I have relatives currently in the US who came over years ago and stayed, illegally. They were fleeing from a repressive, communist government. They wanted to live in a country that respected freedom, where, even working in jobs well below their potential, they would not be denied basic human rights. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s an insult to America.</p>
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		<title>By: axiomista</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/13/transborder-immigran.html#comment-636473</link>
		<dc:creator>axiomista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone should also link to the stories of No More Deaths and Derechos Humanos/Human Rights volunteers, who have been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/295650&quot;&gt;convicted on federal littering charges&lt;/a&gt; for leaving water in the desert for people to survive on and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amnestyusa.org/us/humanitarian_aid.html&quot;&gt;arrested for taking three people near death&lt;/a&gt; to a hospital. It&#039;s very sad.

People aren&#039;t going to stop coming just because we offer them no aid-- they&#039;re economic refugees. You can want people to take the legal, expensive, long route to immigration (though it&#039;s not an option for many) and still recognize those who don&#039;t as human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should also link to the stories of No More Deaths and Derechos Humanos/Human Rights volunteers, who have been <a href="http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/295650">convicted on federal littering charges</a> for leaving water in the desert for people to survive on and <a href="http://www.amnestyusa.org/us/humanitarian_aid.html">arrested for taking three people near death</a> to a hospital. It&#8217;s very sad.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t going to stop coming just because we offer them no aid&#8211; they&#8217;re economic refugees. You can want people to take the legal, expensive, long route to immigration (though it&#8217;s not an option for many) and still recognize those who don&#8217;t as human.</p>
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