Comments on: BREAKING: Leaked UK government plan to create "Pirate Finder General" with power to appoint militias, create laws http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 22 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641792 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641792 Old Holborn here http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/19/mandelson-copyright-filesharing-murdoch-google Old Holborn here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/19/mandelson-copyright-filesharing-murdoch-google

]]> By: Eric The Fred http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641796 Eric The Fred Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641796 Personally I find this truly remarkable. Just think; within a few short years the British could enjoy less personal freedom on the Web than the average Chinese or Iranian. Such Progress! Personally I find this truly remarkable. Just think; within a few short years the British could enjoy less personal freedom on the Web than the average Chinese or Iranian. Such Progress!

]]> By: Piers W http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641798 Piers W Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641798 Peter Mandelson is a very clever bloke. It's just possible he's deliberately introduced all this crap now when it stands a very good chance of being talked out in the House of Lords. Thereby appearing to have attempted to give big copyright all it wants and be in a position to take up lucrative directorships. After all, after the next election, is the Packetsniffer General actually going to be him? Peter Mandelson is a very clever bloke. It’s just possible he’s deliberately introduced all this crap now when it stands a very good chance of being talked out in the House of Lords.

Thereby appearing to have attempted to give big copyright all it wants and be in a position to take up lucrative directorships.

After all, after the next election, is the Packetsniffer General actually going to be him?

]]> By: Ian70 http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641806 Ian70 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641806 listen to The Man In The Glasses, folks. Anytime there's even a hint of legislators trying to make arrangements without due process ("Secondary legislation" and "conferring rights" indeed) we need to be alarmed. Don't pick up the pitchforks just yet.. but keep'm handy. listen to The Man In The Glasses, folks. Anytime there’s even a hint of legislators trying to make arrangements without due process (“Secondary legislation” and “conferring rights” indeed) we need to be alarmed.

Don’t pick up the pitchforks just yet.. but keep’m handy.

]]> By: jfrancis http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641807 jfrancis Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641807 So record labels and studios could get these new powers - what about individual rights holders? Do they have the same power? Because so much support for this stuff is based on the idea, 'Hey, I am a small photographer, so I am a rights holder, and as such I support these things that strengthen me.' So record labels and studios could get these new powers – what about individual rights holders? Do they have the same power? Because so much support for this stuff is based on the idea, ‘Hey, I am a small photographer, so I am a rights holder, and as such I support these things that strengthen me.’

]]> By: Sceadugenga http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641811 Sceadugenga Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641811 We used to say "<i>1984</i> isn't an instruction manual!" now we can say the same about <i>Little Brother</i>... We used to say “1984 isn’t an instruction manual!”
now we can say the same about Little Brother…

]]> By: octopod http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641813 octopod Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641813 alarmist posts like this trivialize the debate a bit too much for me, tbh, it's as dim as calling yourself the pirate party and expecting soccer moms to take you seriously. reading this I'm like, meh, cory's on his hobby horse tweeting at windmills again. /ignore. anyways, if it helps stopping gpl or cc license abuse, it's not all downside alarmist posts like this trivialize the debate a bit too much for me, tbh, it’s as dim as calling yourself the pirate party and expecting soccer moms to take you seriously. reading this I’m like, meh, cory’s on his hobby horse tweeting at windmills again. /ignore.

anyways, if it helps stopping gpl or cc license abuse, it’s not all downside

]]> By: davidasposted http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641814 davidasposted Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641814 I'm not very familiar with the procedural day-to-day in Britain, but abrogation of power happens fairly often here in Canada through orders in council. You'll also note that the U.S. Congress gave away it's Constitutionally-endowed war powers to the Executive re: the Iraq war. One of the only opponents to the infamous 'blank check' was the Dean of the Senate, Robert Byrd (D-WV), who didn't necessarily oppose the war as such but did not want Congress to establish such a bad precedent (when not a stone's throw away from senile, he's known in the Senate as a procedural maven who takes a long view in matters of precedent). And this is to say nothing of the unofficial giveaways of power to lobbyists, etc. Unfortunately, it happens more frequently than we would like. I’m not very familiar with the procedural day-to-day in Britain, but abrogation of power happens fairly often here in Canada through orders in council. You’ll also note that the U.S. Congress gave away it’s Constitutionally-endowed war powers to the Executive re: the Iraq war. One of the only opponents to the infamous ‘blank check’ was the Dean of the Senate, Robert Byrd (D-WV), who didn’t necessarily oppose the war as such but did not want Congress to establish such a bad precedent (when not a stone’s throw away from senile, he’s known in the Senate as a procedural maven who takes a long view in matters of precedent). And this is to say nothing of the unofficial giveaways of power to lobbyists, etc.

Unfortunately, it happens more frequently than we would like.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-643350 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-643350 I did a short cartoon on this subject a while back, giving my theory on how we came to this: http://davemiller.org/drawings/people/funboat_diplomacy.png I did a short cartoon on this subject a while back, giving my theory on how we came to this:
http://davemiller.org/drawings/people/funboat_diplomacy.png

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-642841 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-642841 In case you wanted another source, see the Guardian online… http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/19/mandelson-copyright-filesharing-murdoch-google Mandelson is a prat of enormous proportion - can only hope someone in the government tells him to get lost In case you wanted another source, see the Guardian online…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/19/mandelson-copyright-filesharing-murdoch-google

Mandelson is a prat of enormous proportion – can only hope someone in the government tells him to get lost

]]> By: Pantograph http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641822 Pantograph Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641822 I'm shocked and appalled that they didn't specify that the post was to be filled by a ninja. Cory's overreaction in the face of speculation and unsubstantiated hearsay however is something I'm used to. I’m shocked and appalled that they didn’t specify that the post was to be filled by a ninja.

Cory’s overreaction in the face of speculation and unsubstantiated hearsay however is something I’m used to.

]]> By: Julian Bond http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-642081 Julian Bond Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-642081 The scariest thing about this? No matter who you vote for, Mandelson gets in. The scariest thing about this? No matter who you vote for, Mandelson gets in.

]]> By: Blue http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641827 Blue Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641827 Piers W #22: "Peter Mandelson is a very clever bloke. It's just possible he's deliberately introduced all this crap now when it stands a very good chance of being talked out in the House of Lords [...] and be in a position to take up lucrative directorships. " That assumes that MadNelson gives a crap about being fair to the British public or the consequences that we have to deal with as a result of his decrees. He doesn't: he's not even elected. I'd call him a quisling, but he has no loyalty to the British people to betray. In a saner world his head would be on a pike outside parliament along with those of the traitors to democracy who appointed him. (Gasp!) ps. I'll be waiting for confirmation too. I've been fooled too many times by copyright hyperbole that doesn't stack up in the cold light of day. People like myself need people who keep on top of this stuff and shout it loud and clear when shennanigans inevitably occur, but we need solid facts not exaggeration or manipulative propaganda on which to make sense of it all and formulate a response. (It's hard enough fighting all the stuff the copyright cartels dish out without being misled to by one's own side.) Piers W #22: “Peter Mandelson is a very clever bloke. It’s just possible he’s deliberately introduced all this crap now when it stands a very good chance of being talked out in the House of Lords [...] and be in a position to take up lucrative directorships. ”

That assumes that MadNelson gives a crap about being fair to the British public or the consequences that we have to deal with as a result of his decrees. He doesn’t: he’s not even elected. I’d call him a quisling, but he has no loyalty to the British people to betray.

In a saner world his head would be on a pike outside parliament along with those of the traitors to democracy who appointed him.

(Gasp!)

ps. I’ll be waiting for confirmation too. I’ve been fooled too many times by copyright hyperbole that doesn’t stack up in the cold light of day. People like myself need people who keep on top of this stuff and shout it loud and clear when shennanigans inevitably occur, but we need solid facts not exaggeration or manipulative propaganda on which to make sense of it all and formulate a response.

(It’s hard enough fighting all the stuff the copyright cartels dish out without being misled to by one’s own side.)

]]> By: MrsBug http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641828 MrsBug Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641828 Somebody more talented than me should come up with a Gilbert & Sullivan riff on the Pirate Finder General to the tune of Modern Major General (which is what automatically played in my head with that title). Somebody more talented than me should come up with a Gilbert & Sullivan riff on the Pirate Finder General to the tune of Modern Major General (which is what automatically played in my head with that title).

]]> By: Crystaltips http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641829 Crystaltips Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641829 Hardly an overreaction! Here's the Guardian's piece on it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/19/mandelson-copyright-filesharing-murdoch-google ... and here's backbencher MP Tom Watson pointing to this very BoingBoing post: http://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/5861428668 Hardly an overreaction! Here’s the Guardian’s piece on it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/19/mandelson-copyright-filesharing-murdoch-google

… and here’s backbencher MP Tom Watson pointing to this very BoingBoing post: http://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/5861428668

]]> By: papeltier http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-644645 papeltier Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-644645 You could say that again! You could say that again!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641831 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641831 Mandelson is on the take and needs to go ASAP Mandelson is on the take and needs to go ASAP

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-643624 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-643624 Just reading the headline I thought you were talking about the pirates of the coast of Africa and had visions of a modern day Robert Maynard taking on the equivalent of and African Blackbeard. Funny how that seems more palatable to me that the truth. Just reading the headline I thought you were talking about the pirates of the coast of Africa and had visions of a modern day Robert Maynard taking on the equivalent of and African Blackbeard. Funny how that seems more palatable to me that the truth.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-642858 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-642858 I've been trying to think of what to say about this but all I can come up with is.. OMG. Democracy? No thanks we're British. Mark.J (ISPreview) http://www.ispreview.co.uk I’ve been trying to think of what to say about this but all I can come up with is.. OMG. Democracy? No thanks we’re British.

Mark.J (ISPreview)
http://www.ispreview.co.uk

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641837 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641837 An amendment to this proposal, a company caught using child labour three times has its Intellectual Property auctioned off. A three strikes and your out law on child labour via patents, copyright and logos. An amendment to this proposal, a company caught using child labour three times has its Intellectual Property auctioned off. A three strikes and your out law on child labour via patents, copyright and logos.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-644655 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-644655 Well geeks and geekettes how many minutes will it take to defeat anything these tossers throw at us , Really ? Our masters are illiterate and lazy beyond all belief. They haven't a hope in Hell of doing anything. Unless you let them. They need help logging in ,"password" is their password...they are fools..rather like the "entertainers" who hope to benefit from this Orwellian leviathan. Well geeks and geekettes how many minutes will it take to defeat anything these tossers throw at us , Really ?
Our masters are illiterate and lazy beyond all belief. They haven’t a hope in Hell of doing anything. Unless you let them. They need help logging in ,”password” is their password…they are fools..rather like the “entertainers” who hope to benefit from this Orwellian leviathan.

]]> By: MrJM http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641841 MrJM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641841 BEDEVERE: So, logically... MrJM: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood. BEDEVERE: And therefore? MrJM: A Pirate! BEDEVERE: So, logically…

MrJM: If… she… weighs… the same as a duck,… she’s made of wood.

BEDEVERE: And therefore?

MrJM: A Pirate!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-644657 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-644657 NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. THE EU PARLIAMENT HAVE ALREADY BLOCKED THIS. http://torrentfreak.com/eu-rejects-3-strikes-for-file-sharers-090327/ http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/expert/infopress_page/017-52613-082-03-13-902-20090325IPR52612-23-03-2009-2009-false/default_en.htm NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
THE EU PARLIAMENT HAVE ALREADY BLOCKED THIS.
http://torrentfreak.com/eu-rejects-3-strikes-for-file-sharers-090327/

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/expert/infopress_page/017-52613-082-03-13-902-20090325IPR52612-23-03-2009-2009-false/default_en.htm

]]> By: Avram / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641842 Avram / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641842 And he has the power to excommunicate you with bell, e-book, and Kindle. And he has the power to excommunicate you with bell, e-book, and Kindle.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641843 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641843 I thought a friend in China was being alarmist when he suggested that one day the UK government would just decide to turn off the internet. It's looking increasingly that way. Death by a thousand cuts. Once they're done the only websites you'll be able to access will be Sky and the Disney Channel. Oh, and a pirate bay where you can buy albums for £14.99. I thought a friend in China was being alarmist when he suggested that one day the UK government would just decide to turn off the internet. It’s looking increasingly that way. Death by a thousand cuts. Once they’re done the only websites you’ll be able to access will be Sky and the Disney Channel. Oh, and a pirate bay where you can buy albums for £14.99.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641846 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641846 seriously? A wooden pitchfork? OW! seriously? A wooden pitchfork? OW!

]]> By: octopod http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641847 octopod Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641847 since secondary legislation and hasn't been approved by all parliament, the judiciary has the power to kill it if they find it unreasonable, else it'd just be a blatant loophole to get anything into law. so corys fantasies of peaceful file sharers holding placards of britney spears new album being crushed by tanks in trafalgar square will prob. have to wait. since secondary legislation and hasn’t been approved by all parliament, the judiciary has the power to kill it if they find it unreasonable, else it’d just be a blatant loophole to get anything into law. so corys fantasies of peaceful file sharers holding placards of britney spears new album being crushed by tanks in trafalgar square will prob. have to wait.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-641850 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-641850 Peter Mandelson. Peter Mandelson. Peter Mandelson. If all politicians were of his ilk, we truly would be in a pickle. One is bad, bad, bad enough. Peter Mandelson. Peter Mandelson. Peter Mandelson.

If all politicians were of his ilk, we truly would be in a pickle. One is bad, bad, bad enough.

]]> By: Colonial Kitsch http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-646202 Colonial Kitsch Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-646202 You really miss us over there don't you? You kept Australia in the back bed room and now New Zealand's scamming us all in the name of exotic location and cinematography. And jeez...The Secretary of State...it's bad enough that I can't watch Dr. Who on this side of the pond thanks to YOUR Maritime Laws wayward and wandering behavior and now you're ripping us on our Colonial themes and robbing Disney and the Pirates Franchise. You really miss us over there don’t you? You kept Australia in the back bed room and now New Zealand’s scamming us all in the name of exotic location and cinematography.

And jeez…The Secretary of State…it’s bad enough that I can’t watch Dr. Who on this side of the pond thanks to YOUR Maritime Laws wayward and wandering behavior and now you’re ripping us on our Colonial themes and robbing Disney and the Pirates Franchise.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/11/19/breaking-leaked-uk-g.html#comment-649018 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-649018 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_P4lJD_OPI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_P4lJD_OPI

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