Makers audiobook - DRM free download

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  1. kim tif says:

    thanks!

  2. MrJM says:

    Makers audiobook “is not available for purchase right now” on Amazon.com. Why?

    From Amazon:

    We know this is frustrating, and apologize for the inconvenience.

    There are a number of reasons this might have happened:

    * It could be an audio problem. Sometimes we discover an audio defect so severe that we decide it’s not fair to sell the book. When this happens, we work with the publisher to get the audio repaired and back in the store as quickly as possible.
    * It might be a digital rights issue. Sometimes a publisher loses the rights to a program and requires us to remove it from our store. When this happens, another publisher may pick up the rights and we could eventually offer that program again.

    Isn’t the problem actually a “digital rights management issue”?

    • victhortheviking says:

      The reason that Amazon will not have the audiobook available through them is because all their audio books are through Audible.com which is affiliated with iTunes….Cory said the rest…

  3. mkimbleMH4M says:

    I am curious about your Apple comment given that a search in the iTunes store finds Video and Audio podcasts, all available for free and with no DRM, and given that all of my recent music purchases from the iTunes store are without DRM. I was not able to find any of your books though so I headed over to audible.com and was surprised to find NO books available for purchase by you through that store despite your comment about audible willing to offer it without DRM. Your comment is a bit disingenuous about apple given that every single audible book I have purchase directly from audible all carry DRM (not that that really matters to me – right now I am more interested in being able to buy books, magazines, audio and video in a digital format. The industry can sort itself out later about the best formats once it gets past its fear of digital copies)

  4. Big Daddy says:

    Excellent, been waiting for the audiobook version of this.

    “*I* wouldn’t buy the book on those terms, so I’m certainly not going to *sell* it on those terms.”

    I cannot express how heartening it is to hear you say that. My friends look at me like I’m nuts when I tell them I refuse to patronize iTunes or Audible (despite my love of audiobooks). I know my “DRM is bad” lecture is getting stale, but I can’t help myself.

  5. bwcbwc says:

    Maybe time to look at Blackstone as a distributor? They may not have the reach of Audible on iTunes, but if you take iTunes out of the equation, they are more comparable. You obviously aren’t going to be able to deal with anything iTunes related for a long time…

  6. Cory Doctorow says:

    @6: Here’s what happened: Audible refused to carry my last book, LITTLE BROTHER, unless it had DRM. I wouldn’t allow them to put DRM on the book and so I opted out of Audible (this is a big deal, because they control more than 90% of the audiobook market, but I wasn’t willing to suspend my professional ethics for the sake of some sales, and Random House backed me).

    For MAKERS, we went back to Audible and got a DRM-free commitment. However, they reported that without DRM, Apple would not allow the audiobook to be sold through the iTunes Store (the majority of Audible’s sales are through the iTunes Store; and Audible is the only company allowed to market audiobooks on iTunes). Apple insists that all iTunes Store audiobooks — far and away the most expensive product in iTunes, and also the hardest to burn and re-rip — must have DRM. No exceptions.

    So we toyed with the idea of delivering the audiobooks through Audible without iTunes, but I wanted to be sure that my readers wouldn’t be prohibited from moving their DRM-free Audible files to competing devices in the future because of a EULA or click-through at Audible. I asked for permission to insert a brief license phrase in the audiobook (“Random House Audio and Cory Doctorow grant you permission to do anything that is legal in your nation’s copyright law”) and Audible refused. I withdrew from the Audible deal. They are 90% of the market, and this is going to cost me and Random House real money, but *I* wouldn’t buy the book on those terms, so I’m certainly not going to *sell* it on those terms.

    @2: Nightchild, can you send me email at doctorow@craphound.com and I’ll see what I can do to fix this? There’s no reason we shouldn’t be taking your money.

  7. MrJM says:

    @Cory: Upon further review, you still kick ass.

  8. Anonymous says:

    Reading this book now. Great stuff. =]

  9. Anonymous says:

    I just went to buy the audiobook in question at Borders, and AFTER my payment was received for “MP3 Digital Audiobook (520825 kb)” I was presented with a link to download an ODM file which requires something called the “Overdrive Media Console”. Not running Windows, not able or willing to run some crappy “media console”.

    I’m in Canada and will be investigating this (or reversing charges) through Borders.

    Just a heads-up in case anyone else has the same problem.

  10. johnfoster says:

    if you want the audio NOT in a player here’s a link to the MP3.

  11. Revan343 says:

    @Clif
    Did friend’s recording happen to be classified as a Podcast?

    @Cory
    I already bought a copy of Makers, I can’t wait to read it XD (Gotta finish one by Issac Ashimov first, though).
    I read an excerpt of it online, and the M&M calculator is /really/ interesting. I’m a big fan of your work (Little Brother was epic) and I’m really looking forward to when FTW comes out.

    Sidenote, do you ever actually wear a red cape and goggles?

  12. Clif Marsiglio says:

    Ummm…it isn’t that Audible is affiliated with iTunes…*AMAZON* owns Audible…it would seem they are far more associated with each other than Apple…

  13. Anonymous says:

    I purchased the mp3 version through Simply Audiobooks. It was kind of a hassle getting it into a format for my iphone, but I think it is worthwhile supporting the author by buying the book.

  14. Anonymous says:

    I would have prefered to purchase the book through Audible like I do all my other audio books, but respect the authors wishes not to sell through them.

  15. Sekonda says:

    Try as I might, I cannot find this anywhere to download.

    I’ve looked in Audible on both my accounts and nothing comes up. I don’t know if being in Ireland is stopping the search.

    :< Help me Cory!

  16. Anonymous says:

    I’m about 4 hours in and love it. I really wish the formatting was better so it wasn’t 162 6 minute segments. That is one thing Audible does really well is integration with my iphone.

  17. Clif Marsiglio says:

    I was just looking at iTunes today for a purchase and saw a friends newest recording, which is pretty much spoken word poetry — and it is DRM free.

    Not sure what the difference is between spoken poetry and spoken novels is.

    So pretty much, the reason this isn’t on iTunes is pretty much because your company doesn’t want to do it any other way other than to ask a company to change how their technical side was setup, nor wanting to change their contracts that allow them to publish this in any other way other than Random House -> Audible (i.e., Amazon) -> Apple.

    *APPLE* will have it in their store, your publisher just want to deal with the hassles. Heck, you could read this yourself, and get it published to iTunes DRM-free if you wanted…there are forms over at Apple as well as many other companies that will do the labor for you.

    Then again, that wouldn’t allow for yet another dig at Apple. Not that their company doesn’t occasionally deserve it (i.e., there is a reason my phone is jail broken), but this is disingenuous.

  18. nghtchld says:

    “I’m a huge audiobook nut” and so am I!! And a huge fan of Cory’s work – but… :)
    Here in Australia it is quite hard to get your works Cory so I have always mostly relied on your CC downloads and then of course your own excellent podcast readings. I was a donator and importer of a couple of Little Brothers and will also be sending a couple more Makers to worthy schools, but…

    HOW CAN I (legally) get a copy of Makers as an audiobook?? I quite methodically went through every link on Random House’s site and tried to buy it just now – I am also an Audible member (more on this later) but, when it even came up in my searches, I was ‘politely’ informed every time that it is not available in my “geographic region” :( Sadness is me.

    I understand the territorial rights that you have no control over but due to being such a big fan, of you and audiobooks in general, I thought I would appeal to you to a) help make Makers Audio available here in the Antipodes and b) write an excellent, compelling and informative article on the stupidity of territorial rights for things like audiobooks in an internet age (if you agree with this of course :).

    As for Audible, well the only word I have is Dissapointment. They sponsor many of my favorite podcasts and get mentioned widely where I read so after checking they had at least a dozen books I wanted I signed up. Only to suddenly “lose” most of those very books. They weren’t marked “not available” or “restricted” they simply and completely failed to show up in my searches when logged in. Log out and there they are – extolling you to sign up and get these books now! No warnings anywhere, no notices, just an absence of content, and my money and my time :(

    Even worse of course is the fact that the majority of these books can be found as torrents in less time than it took me sign up and spend (waste) my money at Audible.

    • paul567 says:

      Cory seems like the kind of chap who thinks BitTorrent is a good thing. Why not download it of TPB and write him a cheque for $5 or whatever.

  19. Cory Doctorow says:

    You can’t do that, Clif. Your friend may have gotten away with it, but I’m guessing he had a single, 60-70-minute recording. You can’t upload a 17h file and call it music — I know this for a fact, as I spoke to several service providers who specialize in putting music into the iTunes catalog. They’ve tried. Apple kicked the files out of the iTunes Store. And you also can’t sell 17 1h recordings that represent 17 parts of a single audiobook (assuming anyone would buy an audiobook in 17 separate transactions).

    • Clif Marsiglio says:

      Actually, her stuff was much longer than that…but I’ve also found several other longer spoken work albums that were pretty long compared to ‘standard’ albums. (I’m specifically not going to give a link to her works as she is a little ‘touchy’ about people ‘whoring her works’)

      So looking through this, one of the first things I see is this, Patton Oswald’s comedy rant (I think thats what he does, acts all genx or geny and rants about being a nerd):

      http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/222-live-uncut/id329102082

      (Works in a standard browser now…doesn’t require iTunes)

      2hr10m — $5.99

      Knowing there isn’t a minimum price per track (other than it has to be in increments of $.99), you could easily piecemeal this out and get it under the $27 that Borders is charging (if you wish). So it is in 17 parts. Or maybe 2 chapters at a time…

      All I know is that there seems to be a way for some people to do this, and it is getting done — other than the labeling of this as an ‘audiobook’.

      @#20 — specifically, no…it was spoken word. Not sure why I have to keep repeating that.

  20. kim tif says:

    I love listening to audiobooks and have thought many times about audible, but so far I have resisted. I am currently working on shifting to a new computer and noticed that if I did have any books on my old computer from audible that I wouldn’t be able to move them so I think I will wait.
    That being said, I’m very interested in buying the Makers audiobook but it is not very clear how to do it. Help?

  21. Cory Doctorow says:

    Clif, you’re just wrong. I don’t know how else to say it.

    1. Apple has an exclusive deal to release audiobooks with Audible. Period. If it’s an audiobook, the *only* way to get it into the iTunes Store is through Audible.

    2. When Audible asked Apple to allow them to sell a DRM-free file, Apple refused. And no other company is allowed to sell audiobooks in the iTunes Store. Period.

    3. Audible *was* willing to sell my book without DRM, but since the majority of their sales are through iTunes, and since they aren’t willing to sell DRM-free files on fair terms, Random House audio ditched them and is, in fact, selling direct, and through other online retailers, without Audible. That is why Makers is available at all the other audiobook stores (which have, in aggregate, 10% of the market) without DRM and without bad license terms.

    Calling people “disingenuous” is a pretty crummy thing to do, especially when you haven’t bothered to read the earlier posts.

    • Clif Marsiglio says:

      Call is something else.

      A book of poems can be sold though audio by calling it spoken word, but if you call it an Spoken Book it can’t?

      As I would tell clients, change your labels…you can’t make others change their labels, but if you change your own, you might be able to find common ground.

  22. Anonymous says:

    By now I would have thought publishers and authors would have caught on… because of your attitude I am far MORE likely to purchase your books and far LESS likely to make or take illegal copies. I’m a bit stubborn; treat me like a child and I’ll rebel. On the other hand, treat me like an adult and…well, let’s just say I would feel far more guilty reading your books without paying for them than I would anyone else’s. I think it’s just human nature!

  23. kim tif says:

    So I guess my question is, which retailer should I choose from the Random House site?

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