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	<title>Comments on: Pathways of Desire: Detroiters carve their own streets out of the&#160;snow</title>
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		<title>By: MikeP</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/23/pathways-of-desire-d.html#comment-646420</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be a nit-picker, but I believe it was Robert Hooke who attempted to re-arrange London after the Great Fire, not Christopher Wren.  At least, I have heard the exact same story, but with different protagonists!

I&#039;m not an architect, but I spend a lot of time with them, and Desire Paths seem to be something controversial with them.  My campus is a pinnacle of Modern design, with a square grid of sidewalks laid out between the cubes of glass, but the landscape crew has to keep erecting barriers and re-sodding over the Desire Paths that students keep making.  

I would also argue that the Paths are crooked not because of laziness, but because humans simply don&#039;t walk in straight lines!  Minor variations in the ground and legs being different lengths make walking a perfect straight line something that has to be learned.  (This is the reasoning given in discussions of why people tend to walk in circles when they get lost in the wilderness)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be a nit-picker, but I believe it was Robert Hooke who attempted to re-arrange London after the Great Fire, not Christopher Wren.  At least, I have heard the exact same story, but with different protagonists!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an architect, but I spend a lot of time with them, and Desire Paths seem to be something controversial with them.  My campus is a pinnacle of Modern design, with a square grid of sidewalks laid out between the cubes of glass, but the landscape crew has to keep erecting barriers and re-sodding over the Desire Paths that students keep making.  </p>
<p>I would also argue that the Paths are crooked not because of laziness, but because humans simply don&#8217;t walk in straight lines!  Minor variations in the ground and legs being different lengths make walking a perfect straight line something that has to be learned.  (This is the reasoning given in discussions of why people tend to walk in circles when they get lost in the wilderness)</p>
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		<title>By: Pteryxx</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/23/pathways-of-desire-d.html#comment-647190</link>
		<dc:creator>Pteryxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bulky snorkel parkas.&quot;  You win turn of phrase forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bulky snorkel parkas.&#8221;  You win turn of phrase forever.</p>
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		<title>By: entropyred</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/23/pathways-of-desire-d.html#comment-647192</link>
		<dc:creator>entropyred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This definitely happens on our campus as well.  Especially considering even the paved pathways tend to get covered in potholes and develop puddles many feet wide and long, while the &quot;illegal&quot; pathways are merely muddy.  They keep putting up these rock garden things in the way to keep us from following the paths, so it&#039;s even funnier to see how people have worked the paths around them.  I&#039;ve only got a certain amount of time to get from A to B, so just pave the damn things and rip up the unused ones!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This definitely happens on our campus as well.  Especially considering even the paved pathways tend to get covered in potholes and develop puddles many feet wide and long, while the &#8220;illegal&#8221; pathways are merely muddy.  They keep putting up these rock garden things in the way to keep us from following the paths, so it&#8217;s even funnier to see how people have worked the paths around them.  I&#8217;ve only got a certain amount of time to get from A to B, so just pave the damn things and rip up the unused ones!  </p>
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		<title>By: zackly76</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/23/pathways-of-desire-d.html#comment-646698</link>
		<dc:creator>zackly76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my wife and I visited Tokyo, we saw that that most streets are winding and in no grid-like form whatsoever.  We were told that after the massive bombing strikes during WW2, there were paths carved through the rubble.  These then became the present day streets.  I don&#039;t know that they could be accurately called Pathways of Desire - though may be technically - but rather Pathways of Necessity.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my wife and I visited Tokyo, we saw that that most streets are winding and in no grid-like form whatsoever.  We were told that after the massive bombing strikes during WW2, there were paths carved through the rubble.  These then became the present day streets.  I don&#8217;t know that they could be accurately called Pathways of Desire &#8211; though may be technically &#8211; but rather Pathways of Necessity.</p>
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		<title>By: treacle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/23/pathways-of-desire-d.html#comment-647212</link>
		<dc:creator>treacle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michigan State University (then Michigan Agricultural College) also waited a year before laying their sidewalks.  Obviously worked well, and makes for pleasant stolls on a beautiful campus.  The organic,--or as Rudy Rucker might put it: the gnarly--, wins out in the end!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michigan State University (then Michigan Agricultural College) also waited a year before laying their sidewalks.  Obviously worked well, and makes for pleasant stolls on a beautiful campus.  The organic,&#8211;or as Rudy Rucker might put it: the gnarly&#8211;, wins out in the end!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#5 Yurko

I graduated from U of Michigan (Ann Arbor campus) and I would completely buy that story.  If you look at the campus on google maps&#039; satellite view you can see the evidence very clearly.  The sidewalks all over central campus are nothing but diagonals at weird angles, often changing direction slightly at the intersection of two paths.

If anyone else is interested in looking: the southwest corner of central campus touches the intersection of state st and south university in ann arbor, michigan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#5 Yurko</p>
<p>I graduated from U of Michigan (Ann Arbor campus) and I would completely buy that story.  If you look at the campus on google maps&#8217; satellite view you can see the evidence very clearly.  The sidewalks all over central campus are nothing but diagonals at weird angles, often changing direction slightly at the intersection of two paths.</p>
<p>If anyone else is interested in looking: the southwest corner of central campus touches the intersection of state st and south university in ann arbor, michigan.</p>
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		<title>By: peterbruells</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cymk I remember talking with one of my colleagues about this topic and he claimed that people will not choose a direct line of sight.  He cited (well not cited, since he couldn&#039;t provide a source) that for example simply putting a public fountain will steer people from the direct line due to how humans navigate. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cymk I remember talking with one of my colleagues about this topic and he claimed that people will not choose a direct line of sight.  He cited (well not cited, since he couldn&#8217;t provide a source) that for example simply putting a public fountain will steer people from the direct line due to how humans navigate. </p>
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		<title>By: teejayeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>teejayeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar situation to what others have written. I attended college in the prairies of the midwest, and likewise, we created our own path diagonally across an intramural sports field to get from the dorms to classes. In the winter, said path would ice over and become extremely treacherous, especially when the wind was in your face, forcing you to walk leaning into it. If, no, WHEN the wind died, good bet you fell face-first onto the iced over path. And since many of us wore those bulky snorkel parkas, it was nigh impossible to cheat the wind. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar situation to what others have written. I attended college in the prairies of the midwest, and likewise, we created our own path diagonally across an intramural sports field to get from the dorms to classes. In the winter, said path would ice over and become extremely treacherous, especially when the wind was in your face, forcing you to walk leaning into it. If, no, WHEN the wind died, good bet you fell face-first onto the iced over path. And since many of us wore those bulky snorkel parkas, it was nigh impossible to cheat the wind. </p>
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		<title>By: reesemlm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/23/pathways-of-desire-d.html#comment-646461</link>
		<dc:creator>reesemlm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i usually take shortcuts in the snow too. it&#039;s typically cold and i like to quickly get where i&#039;m going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i usually take shortcuts in the snow too. it&#8217;s typically cold and i like to quickly get where i&#8217;m going.</p>
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		<title>By: venturestein</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/23/pathways-of-desire-d.html#comment-646462</link>
		<dc:creator>venturestein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to school at the University of Illinois, and they would just pave the desire paths once they became.... desirable enough </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to school at the University of Illinois, and they would just pave the desire paths once they became&#8230;. desirable enough </p>
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		<title>By: airdrummer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/23/pathways-of-desire-d.html#comment-646464</link>
		<dc:creator>airdrummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting double standard: people&#039;s choice good, gummint&#039;s dictates bad, unless of course the people choose something un-pc, like driving cars, living outside of cities...

and then there&#039;s the complaining about how hard navigating is in non-gridded cities...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting double standard: people&#8217;s choice good, gummint&#8217;s dictates bad, unless of course the people choose something un-pc, like driving cars, living outside of cities&#8230;</p>
<p>and then there&#8217;s the complaining about how hard navigating is in non-gridded cities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mechko</title>
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		<dc:creator>mechko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its also interesting to note that a lot of these paths are essentially straight, but not quite.  I think the reason for this is because humans make incremental adjustments to their direction.  So instead of thinking subconsciously that we need to go 37 degrees left, we think &quot;more left, more left, more left, more left, oops too much, more right&quot;.  But also, we tend to follow the paths that other people take.  Watch people walking diagonally across 4 way intersections.  When someone walks diagonally from corner 1 to 3, people follow them, but not so many people start walking from 2 to 4 even though the traffic must all have stopped for a diagonal walk to be feasible. (assuming the adjacent corners are 1,2 ; 2,3 ; 3,4 and 4,1)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its also interesting to note that a lot of these paths are essentially straight, but not quite.  I think the reason for this is because humans make incremental adjustments to their direction.  So instead of thinking subconsciously that we need to go 37 degrees left, we think &#8220;more left, more left, more left, more left, oops too much, more right&#8221;.  But also, we tend to follow the paths that other people take.  Watch people walking diagonally across 4 way intersections.  When someone walks diagonally from corner 1 to 3, people follow them, but not so many people start walking from 2 to 4 even though the traffic must all have stopped for a diagonal walk to be feasible. (assuming the adjacent corners are 1,2 ; 2,3 ; 3,4 and 4,1)</p>
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		<title>By: thermosiphon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/23/pathways-of-desire-d.html#comment-646467</link>
		<dc:creator>thermosiphon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the design business, we refer to these as &quot;cow paths&quot;. the goal is to either divine where these may appear and pave it or place planting to prevent it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the design business, we refer to these as &#8220;cow paths&#8221;. the goal is to either divine where these may appear and pave it or place planting to prevent it. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dartmouth University used this system to place paths on campus.  One winter they dug up all the paths and left the grounds bare, they then built the paths where the students had walked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dartmouth University used this system to place paths on campus.  One winter they dug up all the paths and left the grounds bare, they then built the paths where the students had walked.</p>
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		<title>By: pjcamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgia Tech tried this strategy when they remodeled their campus back in the 60&#039;s. I was a student there in the mid 70&#039;s and got to observe the results first hand.

Didn&#039;t work out quite so well as other places.

The dorms were concentrated in particular parts of campus, on the west edge and along I-75. People would set out along a common path and then scatter to the four winds as they set out for their individual buildings. This led to several paths that went out into the middle of a field and stopped. The construction crews dutifully poured concrete on top of the path and stopped where the path stopped. 

The campus was full of sidewalks to nowhere.

To give them some apparent purpose, someone in grounds later came around and planted bushes at the ends. Then we had awfully long sidewalks that went out to a bush and stopped.

The campus remained like this until the 2000 Olympics, when it got another major makeover as Olympic Village.

But I miss going out to look at those bushes.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgia Tech tried this strategy when they remodeled their campus back in the 60&#8242;s. I was a student there in the mid 70&#8242;s and got to observe the results first hand.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t work out quite so well as other places.</p>
<p>The dorms were concentrated in particular parts of campus, on the west edge and along I-75. People would set out along a common path and then scatter to the four winds as they set out for their individual buildings. This led to several paths that went out into the middle of a field and stopped. The construction crews dutifully poured concrete on top of the path and stopped where the path stopped. </p>
<p>The campus was full of sidewalks to nowhere.</p>
<p>To give them some apparent purpose, someone in grounds later came around and planted bushes at the ends. Then we had awfully long sidewalks that went out to a bush and stopped.</p>
<p>The campus remained like this until the 2000 Olympics, when it got another major makeover as Olympic Village.</p>
<p>But I miss going out to look at those bushes.</p>
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		<title>By: stanleyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>stanleyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, at college we used to call them &quot;baby sidewalks.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciated the article, but the images don&#039;t really back it up. People cut across vacant lots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciated the article, but the images don&#8217;t really back it up. People cut across vacant lots.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way too many years ago I attended an oldish university in Canada.  It was originally laid out around a huge grassed &quot;quadrangle&quot; with rigidly geometric sidewalk layouts... &amp; which students routinely shortcutted, much to the regents dismay.  Snow fences controlled this behavior, but only until it snowed, at which time the fences were trampled.  (It is darn cold in winter there!)

A consultant was hired.  His recommendation?  map the routes in the snow... and in spring replace all sidewalks with ones that match what people really want.  30 years later and people are still &quot;on track&quot; with those snow shown paths, even though the surrounding university has grown tremendously.

By the way, the width of the paths was also adjusted to mirror the width of the tramped snow routes... a very accurate measure of traffic load at peak periods!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way too many years ago I attended an oldish university in Canada.  It was originally laid out around a huge grassed &#8220;quadrangle&#8221; with rigidly geometric sidewalk layouts&#8230; &#038; which students routinely shortcutted, much to the regents dismay.  Snow fences controlled this behavior, but only until it snowed, at which time the fences were trampled.  (It is darn cold in winter there!)</p>
<p>A consultant was hired.  His recommendation?  map the routes in the snow&#8230; and in spring replace all sidewalks with ones that match what people really want.  30 years later and people are still &#8220;on track&#8221; with those snow shown paths, even though the surrounding university has grown tremendously.</p>
<p>By the way, the width of the paths was also adjusted to mirror the width of the tramped snow routes&#8230; a very accurate measure of traffic load at peak periods!</p>
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		<title>By: Zadaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zadaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very old rule about deciding where to build sidewalks is to plant grass the first year and the second year lay sidewalks where the grass has been worn down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very old rule about deciding where to build sidewalks is to plant grass the first year and the second year lay sidewalks where the grass has been worn down.</p>
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		<title>By: cymk</title>
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		<dc:creator>cymk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a class in college that worked on a social experiment project, in which we took visible pieces of twine and broke up the walking space of a large hall.  After wards we watched how other students and teachers navigated around or avoided the twine, some times ducking underneath if it was high enough, stepping over if it was low enough, or going around it the twine was roughly waist high.

You could duplicate this idea by putting a cardboard box in the middle of a busy square or sidewalk ( or even several boxes) and watch how people navigate around them, much like water finds the path of least resistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a class in college that worked on a social experiment project, in which we took visible pieces of twine and broke up the walking space of a large hall.  After wards we watched how other students and teachers navigated around or avoided the twine, some times ducking underneath if it was high enough, stepping over if it was low enough, or going around it the twine was roughly waist high.</p>
<p>You could duplicate this idea by putting a cardboard box in the middle of a busy square or sidewalk ( or even several boxes) and watch how people navigate around them, much like water finds the path of least resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>This principle is so old that English Common Law recognizes the doctrine of the well worn path.

Basically, if you don&#039;t stop people from walking though your back yard then it become a public right of way. 

No one has ever followed the grid of a city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This principle is so old that English Common Law recognizes the doctrine of the well worn path.</p>
<p>Basically, if you don&#8217;t stop people from walking though your back yard then it become a public right of way. </p>
<p>No one has ever followed the grid of a city.</p>
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		<title>By: ROSSINDETROIT</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work at an elementary school near Detroit.  Today we had a meeting about snow removal.  Our walkways will be clear but once again Detroiters will have to pick their way through the drifts and along unplowed streets.  And people wonder why we Midwesterners like 4WD SUVs.
I&#039;m trying to get the grounds department to fix several muddy areas around the school where kids walk off the pavement, make mud holes and track the crap all over the building.  Obviously the muddy areas should be paved because that&#039;s where they want to walk.  But that would be a construction project requiring many approvals and lots of dollars.  The best I can hope for is to have the muddy areas cordoned off so walkers will go around them, allowing the grass to grow for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at an elementary school near Detroit.  Today we had a meeting about snow removal.  Our walkways will be clear but once again Detroiters will have to pick their way through the drifts and along unplowed streets.  And people wonder why we Midwesterners like 4WD SUVs.<br />
I&#8217;m trying to get the grounds department to fix several muddy areas around the school where kids walk off the pavement, make mud holes and track the crap all over the building.  Obviously the muddy areas should be paved because that&#8217;s where they want to walk.  But that would be a construction project requiring many approvals and lots of dollars.  The best I can hope for is to have the muddy areas cordoned off so walkers will go around them, allowing the grass to grow for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: MrsBug</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Sweet Juniper. He has a number of posts about urban exploration he&#039;s done in Detroit, which I find fascinating (being from Lansing, just an hour or so away by car, but thousands of miles away in mindset).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Sweet Juniper. He has a number of posts about urban exploration he&#8217;s done in Detroit, which I find fascinating (being from Lansing, just an hour or so away by car, but thousands of miles away in mindset).</p>
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		<title>By: JeffreyMartin</title>
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		<description>one of the most underrated books in the world comes to mind - &quot;A Pattern Language&quot; - something that should be taught in all schools!

There&#039;s an awesome web version - the book is perfect for hypertext - here is the relevant pattern - http://downlode.org/Etext/Patterns/ptn120.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of the most underrated books in the world comes to mind &#8211; &#8220;A Pattern Language&#8221; &#8211; something that should be taught in all schools!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an awesome web version &#8211; the book is perfect for hypertext &#8211; here is the relevant pattern &#8211; <a href="http://downlode.org/Etext/Patterns/ptn120.html" rel="nofollow">http://downlode.org/Etext/Patterns/ptn120.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: maxoid</title>
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		<description>sad times when these lots sometimes are developed with causeways carefully observed in the same location as the paths, only to have the new owners erect heavy gates and high fences.  make the common road one of privelege, that&#039;ll show the plebs.

interesting also how, for the most part, people have no trouble with the visible boundaries of property vanishing for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sad times when these lots sometimes are developed with causeways carefully observed in the same location as the paths, only to have the new owners erect heavy gates and high fences.  make the common road one of privelege, that&#8217;ll show the plebs.</p>
<p>interesting also how, for the most part, people have no trouble with the visible boundaries of property vanishing for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: mawa</title>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the reference to Bachelard&#039;s The Poetics Of Space is valid either.  Page 11 (Beacon Press, 1994, paperback edition) has &quot;What a dynamic, handsome object is a path! How precise the familiar hill paths remain for our musuclar consciousness!&quot; and so on.  But I can&#039;t recall any discussion of &quot;desire lines&quot; as defined here and elsewhere, and the majority of the book is, after all, concerned with interiority, with intimacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the reference to Bachelard&#8217;s The Poetics Of Space is valid either.  Page 11 (Beacon Press, 1994, paperback edition) has &#8220;What a dynamic, handsome object is a path! How precise the familiar hill paths remain for our musuclar consciousness!&#8221; and so on.  But I can&#8217;t recall any discussion of &#8220;desire lines&#8221; as defined here and elsewhere, and the majority of the book is, after all, concerned with interiority, with intimacy.</p>
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		<title>By: alharris</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would dearly love it if someone can confirm the origin of &quot;desire paths,&quot; &quot;desire lines,&quot; &quot;chemins du desire&quot; or similar language in Bachelard&#039;s work. I&#039;ve read The Poetics of Space looking for a variation on the phrase and do not see it anywhere in this particular work. 

I do know from research for a book on urban literature that &quot;desire lines&quot; is a phrase used by American transportation engineers as early as the 1940s (and perhaps earlier) to refer to &#039;efficient&#039; distances as measured between home and place of work. Since then, the phrase has been rehabilitated by both planners and poets to refer not only to &#039;efficient&#039; pathways but also those leading to more frivolous pursuits. Its use by engineers also reflects an early use of phenomenological methods in the engineering world.

It&#039;s really fascinating that the concept has these disparate meanings. Still, I&#039;d appreciate it if someone could confirm Bachelard&#039;s use of this kind of language. 

My sources referencing the use of &quot;desire lines&quot; by transportation engineers:

Fagin, 1960. Improving mobility within the metropolis. Proceedings of the Academy of Political Science, 27(1): 57-65.

Throgmorton, James A and Barbara Eckstein, 2000. Desire Lines: The Chicago Area Transportation Study and the Paradox of Self in Post-war America. Proceedings of the 3Cities Conference, Birmingham, UK.

Myhill, Carl, 2004. Commercial Success by Looking for Desire Lines. 6th Asia Pacific Computer-Human Interaction Conference, New Zealand.

If anyone can help confirm (or deny) Bachelard&#039;s use of &quot;pathways of desire&quot; / &quot;Chemins du desir&quot; I would be most grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would dearly love it if someone can confirm the origin of &#8220;desire paths,&#8221; &#8220;desire lines,&#8221; &#8220;chemins du desire&#8221; or similar language in Bachelard&#8217;s work. I&#8217;ve read The Poetics of Space looking for a variation on the phrase and do not see it anywhere in this particular work. </p>
<p>I do know from research for a book on urban literature that &#8220;desire lines&#8221; is a phrase used by American transportation engineers as early as the 1940s (and perhaps earlier) to refer to &#8216;efficient&#8217; distances as measured between home and place of work. Since then, the phrase has been rehabilitated by both planners and poets to refer not only to &#8216;efficient&#8217; pathways but also those leading to more frivolous pursuits. Its use by engineers also reflects an early use of phenomenological methods in the engineering world.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really fascinating that the concept has these disparate meanings. Still, I&#8217;d appreciate it if someone could confirm Bachelard&#8217;s use of this kind of language. </p>
<p>My sources referencing the use of &#8220;desire lines&#8221; by transportation engineers:</p>
<p>Fagin, 1960. Improving mobility within the metropolis. Proceedings of the Academy of Political Science, 27(1): 57-65.</p>
<p>Throgmorton, James A and Barbara Eckstein, 2000. Desire Lines: The Chicago Area Transportation Study and the Paradox of Self in Post-war America. Proceedings of the 3Cities Conference, Birmingham, UK.</p>
<p>Myhill, Carl, 2004. Commercial Success by Looking for Desire Lines. 6th Asia Pacific Computer-Human Interaction Conference, New Zealand.</p>
<p>If anyone can help confirm (or deny) Bachelard&#8217;s use of &#8220;pathways of desire&#8221; / &#8220;Chemins du desir&#8221; I would be most grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>I tried to suggest this methodology to architects and planners here in Queensland. I suspect its too sensible to be easily adopted by those of a structured mindset. After all, if you believe people SHOULD only go where you put the path, then definitionally, only where you put paths is where people SHOULD want to go.

Whats quite wonderful is that rather than churning a field into a muddy morass of competing paths, there actually is a reasonable centroid-path that collective masses preference. The wisdom of crowds..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to suggest this methodology to architects and planners here in Queensland. I suspect its too sensible to be easily adopted by those of a structured mindset. After all, if you believe people SHOULD only go where you put the path, then definitionally, only where you put paths is where people SHOULD want to go.</p>
<p>Whats quite wonderful is that rather than churning a field into a muddy morass of competing paths, there actually is a reasonable centroid-path that collective masses preference. The wisdom of crowds..</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<description>I know these as &quot;Desire Lines&quot;. I recall such a path that cut across the corner of a field that formed mine and other kids route to infant school. The field was an undeveloped plot that divided a once troublesome highrise council estate (where my school was located) from my own private housing area. The reason for not connecting the two together with a proper path was a social/political one but we kids cut our own desire line. The field still exists some 30 years later, as does the school but googlemaps shows only the faintest trace of the desire line. I wonder if that is because ages 4 to 7 no longer walk to school?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know these as &#8220;Desire Lines&#8221;. I recall such a path that cut across the corner of a field that formed mine and other kids route to infant school. The field was an undeveloped plot that divided a once troublesome highrise council estate (where my school was located) from my own private housing area. The reason for not connecting the two together with a proper path was a social/political one but we kids cut our own desire line. The field still exists some 30 years later, as does the school but googlemaps shows only the faintest trace of the desire line. I wonder if that is because ages 4 to 7 no longer walk to school?</p>
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		<title>By: strumpet windsock</title>
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		<dc:creator>strumpet windsock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, with snow paths, once one person blazes the trail most people are going to stick to the cut path. 
The straightest path may also not appear so from the air - remember that the ground has hills and depressions, and in winter there is drifting and piled snow to move around, and people even alter their path to stay in the warm sunlight. The one pic (second row, far left) looks like the path avoided snow piled up from the sidewalk.
Navigating around my old city (Winnipeg) changed entirely once the river froze. Of course there was little trace of those paths left in the spring.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, with snow paths, once one person blazes the trail most people are going to stick to the cut path.<br />
The straightest path may also not appear so from the air &#8211; remember that the ground has hills and depressions, and in winter there is drifting and piled snow to move around, and people even alter their path to stay in the warm sunlight. The one pic (second row, far left) looks like the path avoided snow piled up from the sidewalk.<br />
Navigating around my old city (Winnipeg) changed entirely once the river froze. Of course there was little trace of those paths left in the spring.</p>
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