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	<title>Comments on: Wikileaks publishes massive archive of private 9/11 pager&#160;messages</title>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-647943</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[&lt;i&gt; I am now calculating how much mo&lt;/i&gt;..] [..&lt;i&gt;ney I am going to collect from your life insurance policies because..if you don&#039;t call me now!! to tell me you&#039;re not dead, I am going to kill you!&lt;/i&gt; ]

I read too much. This is (obviously) heavy shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[<i> I am now calculating how much mo</i>..] [..<i>ney I am going to collect from your life insurance policies because..if you don't call me now!! to tell me you're not dead, I am going to kill you!</i> ]</p>
<p>I read too much. This is (obviously) heavy shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-647945</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see how this will sway 9-11 &quot;Truthers&quot; one way or another.

I also wonder if any of my SMS messages are there.

I&#039;d love to make a word cloud of the messages that changes over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see how this will sway 9-11 &#8220;Truthers&#8221; one way or another.</p>
<p>I also wonder if any of my SMS messages are there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to make a word cloud of the messages that changes over time.</p>
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		<title>By: dainel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648458</link>
		<dc:creator>dainel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally, for any set of &quot;confidential&quot; information, it is usually less bad for everyone to have access to it, than to have only a small group of selected people having access to it. 

Someone has gone to the trouble of collecting all this stuff. It already exists. Whether wikileaks publishes it and makes it available to the whole world or not, we must remember that even before that, some people already have access to your confidential/private messages. They didn&#039;t just collect this stuff for that one day. It&#039;s gone on for years, and is still going on.

If you didn&#039;t want strangers looking at your private messages, it is too late. It was too late the moment you sent it. Even yesterday, before wikileaks published it, other people were already looking at that stuff. There were fewer of them. You just didn&#039;t think about it. As they say, ignorance is bliss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally, for any set of &#8220;confidential&#8221; information, it is usually less bad for everyone to have access to it, than to have only a small group of selected people having access to it. </p>
<p>Someone has gone to the trouble of collecting all this stuff. It already exists. Whether wikileaks publishes it and makes it available to the whole world or not, we must remember that even before that, some people already have access to your confidential/private messages. They didn&#8217;t just collect this stuff for that one day. It&#8217;s gone on for years, and is still going on.</p>
<p>If you didn&#8217;t want strangers looking at your private messages, it is too late. It was too late the moment you sent it. Even yesterday, before wikileaks published it, other people were already looking at that stuff. There were fewer of them. You just didn&#8217;t think about it. As they say, ignorance is bliss.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648204</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>go get your own blogs. This is amazing to some of us. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go get your own blogs. This is amazing to some of us. </p>
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		<title>By: OregonErik</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-647950</link>
		<dc:creator>OregonErik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main site is running incredibly slow.  I&#039;ve &#039;primed&#039; coral cache and they load zippily:

http://911.wikileaks.org.nyud.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main site is running incredibly slow.  I&#8217;ve &#8216;primed&#8217; coral cache and they load zippily:</p>
<p><a href="http://911.wikileaks.org.nyud.net/" rel="nofollow">http://911.wikileaks.org.nyud.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tdawwg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-647953</link>
		<dc:creator>Tdawwg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, and another &quot;exploding towers&quot; image, and the day before Thanksgiving! And this with my exploitative-9-11-images  antibodies depleted after their yearly peak in September! Ugh. No thanks for that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, and another &#8220;exploding towers&#8221; image, and the day before Thanksgiving! And this with my exploitative-9-11-images  antibodies depleted after their yearly peak in September! Ugh. No thanks for that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648220</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathartic, that&#039;s how it feels to me - and I&#039;m grateful to them for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathartic, that&#8217;s how it feels to me &#8211; and I&#8217;m grateful to them for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648225</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE. the image, it&#039;s amazing how personal experience plays in here. Looking at the picture I never would have guessed that it had anything to do with 9/11, even if you prompted me with &#039;what major historical event is depicted in this picture&#039;. There&#039;s no sign of disaster at all (at least in the picture that was up when I saw this article).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE. the image, it&#8217;s amazing how personal experience plays in here. Looking at the picture I never would have guessed that it had anything to do with 9/11, even if you prompted me with &#8216;what major historical event is depicted in this picture&#8217;. There&#8217;s no sign of disaster at all (at least in the picture that was up when I saw this article).</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-647977</link>
		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cantor Fitzgerald systems are in these message too, and they make me sad because of what they represent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cantor Fitzgerald systems are in these message too, and they make me sad because of what they represent.</p>
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		<title>By: jjasper</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648490</link>
		<dc:creator>jjasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel @ 47 -

Just because you CAN do something doesn&#039;t mean it has nothing but positive consequences, and that anyone upset by it is just a whiner.  There is such a thing as compassion, and you&#039;re severely deficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel @ 47 -</p>
<p>Just because you CAN do something doesn&#8217;t mean it has nothing but positive consequences, and that anyone upset by it is just a whiner.  There is such a thing as compassion, and you&#8217;re severely deficient.</p>
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		<title>By: freeyourcrt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-647984</link>
		<dc:creator>freeyourcrt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But when personal privacy is cast aside under the guise of being wonderful those feelings of foreboding just  melt away.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-647994</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pagers? In 2001?!</description>
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		<title>By: Scary_UK</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648000</link>
		<dc:creator>Scary_UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was text messaging in 2001, but these are pager messages. Surprised there are so many messages, as pagers were virtually obsolete technology 2001 (except for a small band of emergency workers)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was text messaging in 2001, but these are pager messages. Surprised there are so many messages, as pagers were virtually obsolete technology 2001 (except for a small band of emergency workers)</p>
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		<title>By: jwb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648002</link>
		<dc:creator>jwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lovemycoffeehouse: of course there was texting and paging in 2001.  People who worship at the feet of the iSteve seem to forget that in 2001 people were already carrying around the brilliant BlackBerry 957 which had full email and peer-to-peer messaging on the Mobitex network.  The Mobitex net, along with some vestigial Ricochet nodes, was the only network that continued to work smoothly during and after the attacks.

Also, you could use Mobitex on a damn airplane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lovemycoffeehouse: of course there was texting and paging in 2001.  People who worship at the feet of the iSteve seem to forget that in 2001 people were already carrying around the brilliant BlackBerry 957 which had full email and peer-to-peer messaging on the Mobitex network.  The Mobitex net, along with some vestigial Ricochet nodes, was the only network that continued to work smoothly during and after the attacks.</p>
<p>Also, you could use Mobitex on a damn airplane.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648267</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After hours of reading reddit, this is one of the less paranoid and more interesting posts:

&lt;b&gt;sjwk  7 points8 points9 points 1 hour ago* [-]&lt;/b&gt;
Wow. Some interesting snapshots into life on that day, both official and personal. Saw this find referenced elsewhere but not here so dug around to find the records in question:

&lt;i&gt;2001-09-11 10:24:31 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA &lt;b&gt;TWINKLE AND TURQ&lt;/b&gt; ARE ACCOUNTED FOR AND SAFE 2001-09-11 10:28:31 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA CALL &lt;b&gt;SPAMP OR SPRINKLE&lt;/b&gt; ASAP406-5838 2001-09-11 10:31:03 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA UD REPORTS ANONYMOUS CALL TO JOC REPORTING &lt;b&gt;ANGEL&lt;/b&gt; IS TARGET 2001-09-11 10:37:01 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA PLane 5 miles out from cro 2001-09-11 10:37:03 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA wn following potomac staying under radar joc 2001-09-11 10:40:46 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA call joc asap for call waiting 2001-09-11 10:53:46 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA dcoyer@usss.treas.gov&#124;(no subject)&#124;All admin staff relocated to 1111 18th and accounted for. I&#039;m here and await any instructions. Shawn&lt;/i&gt;

Sounds official. Twinkle and Turq[uoise] apparently secret service codenames for Bush&#039;s daughters. No idea about &#039;Spamp and Sprinkle&#039; or &#039;Angel&#039;, but sounds like other codenames for people and place. Same number receives other messages about suspect planes.


&lt;b&gt;keanobeano 5 points6 points7 points 1 hour ago[-]&lt;/b&gt;

ANGEL = Air Force One


&lt;b&gt;repsuc 4 points5 points6 points 1 hour ago[-]&lt;/b&gt;

@usss.treas.gov

US secret service without a doubt. You would think they would all have encrypted pagers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After hours of reading reddit, this is one of the less paranoid and more interesting posts:</p>
<p><b>sjwk  7 points8 points9 points 1 hour ago* [-]</b><br />
Wow. Some interesting snapshots into life on that day, both official and personal. Saw this find referenced elsewhere but not here so dug around to find the records in question:</p>
<p><i>2001-09-11 10:24:31 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA <b>TWINKLE AND TURQ</b> ARE ACCOUNTED FOR AND SAFE 2001-09-11 10:28:31 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA CALL <b>SPAMP OR SPRINKLE</b> ASAP406-5838 2001-09-11 10:31:03 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA UD REPORTS ANONYMOUS CALL TO JOC REPORTING <b>ANGEL</b> IS TARGET 2001-09-11 10:37:01 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA PLane 5 miles out from cro 2001-09-11 10:37:03 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA wn following potomac staying under radar joc 2001-09-11 10:40:46 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA call joc asap for call waiting 2001-09-11 10:53:46 Skytel [005344006] B ALPHA <a href="mailto:dcoyer@usss.treas.gov">dcoyer@usss.treas.gov</a>|(no subject)|All admin staff relocated to 1111 18th and accounted for. I&#8217;m here and await any instructions. Shawn</i></p>
<p>Sounds official. Twinkle and Turq[uoise] apparently secret service codenames for Bush&#8217;s daughters. No idea about &#8216;Spamp and Sprinkle&#8217; or &#8216;Angel&#8217;, but sounds like other codenames for people and place. Same number receives other messages about suspect planes.</p>
<p><b>keanobeano 5 points6 points7 points 1 hour ago[-]</b></p>
<p>ANGEL = Air Force One</p>
<p><b>repsuc 4 points5 points6 points 1 hour ago[-]</b></p>
<p>@usss.treas.gov</p>
<p>US secret service without a doubt. You would think they would all have encrypted pagers.</p>
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		<title>By: verde</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648524</link>
		<dc:creator>verde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I am surprised by the fact that this much/type of info has been collected. It certainly has been analyzed and will continue to be. Someone is watching out there and is not just google anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I am surprised by the fact that this much/type of info has been collected. It certainly has been analyzed and will continue to be. Someone is watching out there and is not just google anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648278</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does the one that says

&quot;It&#039;s harvest time in the garden. Satisfy your hunger. The hidden world is fantastic. Astro&quot;

mean?  It seems to be repeated throughout the day.  Just looking through, I have found it at 13:10:33 and 20:05:33

Weird.</description>
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<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s harvest time in the garden. Satisfy your hunger. The hidden world is fantastic. Astro&#8221;</p>
<p>mean?  It seems to be repeated throughout the day.  Just looking through, I have found it at 13:10:33 and 20:05:33</p>
<p>Weird.</p>
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		<title>By: EasyE</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648536</link>
		<dc:creator>EasyE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone was watching and collecting long before Larry Page and Sergey Brin were a twinkle in their moms eye.

This needs to be shared and needs to be saved. If nothing more than to use to offset those who are already trying to minimize and alter this events historical record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone was watching and collecting long before Larry Page and Sergey Brin were a twinkle in their moms eye.</p>
<p>This needs to be shared and needs to be saved. If nothing more than to use to offset those who are already trying to minimize and alter this events historical record.</p>
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		<title>By: John Napsterista</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648283</link>
		<dc:creator>John Napsterista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a total violation of the privacy of those (non-.gov) individuals (identifiable by phone number or email address), who were sharing personal moments with feared-deceased or soon-to-be deceased loved ones.  At the same, this archive is unprecedented, important and awesome.  Boing boing&#039;s a big old hypocrite for encouraging this invasion of privacy; and boing boing is to be commended for recognizing this important collection.  

There&#039;s no contradiction there; life is sometimes abstract and complicated like that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a total violation of the privacy of those (non-.gov) individuals (identifiable by phone number or email address), who were sharing personal moments with feared-deceased or soon-to-be deceased loved ones.  At the same, this archive is unprecedented, important and awesome.  Boing boing&#8217;s a big old hypocrite for encouraging this invasion of privacy; and boing boing is to be commended for recognizing this important collection.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no contradiction there; life is sometimes abstract and complicated like that. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-673375</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, one can hack-up a pager to a computer, and log all of the messages, since they&#039;re not encrypted. Since they&#039;re only 1-way, they&#039;re broadcasted everywhere, not just through the nearest tower. 

They just happened to be in the right place at the right time with their loggers. 

My guess is that they waited 8 years to release this, because that&#039;s how long it took for this legacy junk to become pointless to listen to. Who knows how much they&#039;ve managed to log and analyze in the past 8+ years, getting inside info on stock deals and .gov infos. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, one can hack-up a pager to a computer, and log all of the messages, since they&#8217;re not encrypted. Since they&#8217;re only 1-way, they&#8217;re broadcasted everywhere, not just through the nearest tower. </p>
<p>They just happened to be in the right place at the right time with their loggers. </p>
<p>My guess is that they waited 8 years to release this, because that&#8217;s how long it took for this legacy junk to become pointless to listen to. Who knows how much they&#8217;ve managed to log and analyze in the past 8+ years, getting inside info on stock deals and .gov infos. </p>
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		<title>By: mechko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648290</link>
		<dc:creator>mechko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the exception to the rule?  In general, we fight for privacy, but in this case our voyeuristic urges overcome us.  But this is faceless data.  Like a picture from space.  One could argue that such and such a pixel actually betrays their activities at such and such a point in time.  But an individual&#039;s privacy is only lost here if they stand up and say &quot;That was me&quot;.  Does that really constitute a breach of privacy?  If their cellphone or pager numbers were released with the message, then it would be a different matter, I guess. (did pagers have numbers? I was too young to ever really see those things in action.  Except in the hospital.)

If we don&#039;t know and have no means of ever knowing who sent a given message, we haven&#039;t broken their privacy.  Its like knowing that someone on the internet has a password &quot;orange1&quot;.  In fact, my anonymous alternate email address uses that password.  I don&#039;t feel that its privacy has been weakened in any way, because none of you know or could ever find out what the address is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the exception to the rule?  In general, we fight for privacy, but in this case our voyeuristic urges overcome us.  But this is faceless data.  Like a picture from space.  One could argue that such and such a pixel actually betrays their activities at such and such a point in time.  But an individual&#8217;s privacy is only lost here if they stand up and say &#8220;That was me&#8221;.  Does that really constitute a breach of privacy?  If their cellphone or pager numbers were released with the message, then it would be a different matter, I guess. (did pagers have numbers? I was too young to ever really see those things in action.  Except in the hospital.)</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t know and have no means of ever knowing who sent a given message, we haven&#8217;t broken their privacy.  Its like knowing that someone on the internet has a password &#8220;orange1&#8243;.  In fact, my anonymous alternate email address uses that password.  I don&#8217;t feel that its privacy has been weakened in any way, because none of you know or could ever find out what the address is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: enkiv2</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648571</link>
		<dc:creator>enkiv2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t this essentially represent sousveillance? The problem with lacking privacy is usually that it&#039;s single-sided.

This is a direct dump of pager messages (some encrypted, some not, some private citizens, some government employees) from a single area, from a single day eight years ago. What is important (imo) is not that we have access to this info now -- after all, it&#039;s been eight years -- but that 1) all this was being logged (including the stuff that SHOULD be encrypted) prior to the attack (which was ostensibly the push behind the whole movement), and 2) that it took eight years for this to become leaked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t this essentially represent sousveillance? The problem with lacking privacy is usually that it&#8217;s single-sided.</p>
<p>This is a direct dump of pager messages (some encrypted, some not, some private citizens, some government employees) from a single area, from a single day eight years ago. What is important (imo) is not that we have access to this info now &#8212; after all, it&#8217;s been eight years &#8212; but that 1) all this was being logged (including the stuff that SHOULD be encrypted) prior to the attack (which was ostensibly the push behind the whole movement), and 2) that it took eight years for this to become leaked.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-758912</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to know where these intercepts came from research Verint and Comverse.  The rabbit hole goes deep, very deep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to know where these intercepts came from research Verint and Comverse.  The rabbit hole goes deep, very deep.</p>
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		<title>By: markbellis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648069</link>
		<dc:creator>markbellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The little polygons means it&#039;s lens flare - It&#039;s great that Todd didn&#039;t try and push it as a miracle, but the image is still a good allegory. Good photojournalism often does reference iconic symbols, like Eugene Smith&#039;s photo of  Tomoko Uemura, being bathed by her mother after she had been born paralyzed by mercury released into the environment by a negligent company. The photo has been compared to the Pieta. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The little polygons means it&#8217;s lens flare &#8211; It&#8217;s great that Todd didn&#8217;t try and push it as a miracle, but the image is still a good allegory. Good photojournalism often does reference iconic symbols, like Eugene Smith&#8217;s photo of  Tomoko Uemura, being bathed by her mother after she had been born paralyzed by mercury released into the environment by a negligent company. The photo has been compared to the Pieta. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648073</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders why such random messages were &quot;confidential&quot; </description>
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		<title>By: dbarak</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648080</link>
		<dc:creator>dbarak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading through some of it was like living the day over again...
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08:51:50 Fire!!!

09:38:49 Lauren&#039;s father works in the WTC.  I may drive her home.  I&#039;ll keep you posted.  This is really f&#039;d up.

09:43:09 now they got the pentagon. it&#039;s a friggin war

10:00:10 I am so scared!  Please be careful!

10:00:57 John, Mike has left the bldg.  They can&#039;t reach Chad (son) - he works at the Pentagon and are very worried..LJ

10:01:01 xxx@SOCSO.SOUTHCOM.MIL&#124;&#124;We are at Threatcon Charlie until further notice.

10:01:39 RING ALL CHICAGO AIPORTS AND EVERY MAJOR BUILDING DOWNTOWN. BUSH IS DOING A SPEECH.  THIS IS SERIOUS POOH..

10:25:10 The second world trade building is gone!!!!!!!!!

10:28:10 Scary stuff going on. I&#039;ll be surprised if its not an Arab. Worried for Farid.  Will they round us up? Yikes!  D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading through some of it was like living the day over again&#8230;<br />
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08:51:50 Fire!!!</p>
<p>09:38:49 Lauren&#8217;s father works in the WTC.  I may drive her home.  I&#8217;ll keep you posted.  This is really f&#8217;d up.</p>
<p>09:43:09 now they got the pentagon. it&#8217;s a friggin war</p>
<p>10:00:10 I am so scared!  Please be careful!</p>
<p>10:00:57 John, Mike has left the bldg.  They can&#8217;t reach Chad (son) &#8211; he works at the Pentagon and are very worried..LJ</p>
<p>10:01:01 <a href="mailto:xxx@SOCSO.SOUTHCOM.MIL">xxx@SOCSO.SOUTHCOM.MIL</a>||We are at Threatcon Charlie until further notice.</p>
<p>10:01:39 RING ALL CHICAGO AIPORTS AND EVERY MAJOR BUILDING DOWNTOWN. BUSH IS DOING A SPEECH.  THIS IS SERIOUS POOH..</p>
<p>10:25:10 The second world trade building is gone!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>10:28:10 Scary stuff going on. I&#8217;ll be surprised if its not an Arab. Worried for Farid.  Will they round us up? Yikes!  D.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Cameron</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648350</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@42

Wikileaks did not scrub the data at all. There are full names, there are instructions to call such and such a phone number. The people *are* identifiable.

Regardless, the notion that the entire world might be disecting what might have been a loved one&#039;s last message - regardless if they ascribe it to a face - seems abhorent to me.

These messages do not appear to be exclusively from public officials. They certainly contain private information.


And to everyone who says &quot;Well this is really interesting&quot;. Fine. You&#039;re accepting that society can limit privacy rights in the interest of societal good. In this case the relatively minor good that is your amusement/fascination. If that&#039;s legitimate, all the privacy infractions Britain&#039;s proposing have to be legitimate as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@42</p>
<p>Wikileaks did not scrub the data at all. There are full names, there are instructions to call such and such a phone number. The people *are* identifiable.</p>
<p>Regardless, the notion that the entire world might be disecting what might have been a loved one&#8217;s last message &#8211; regardless if they ascribe it to a face &#8211; seems abhorent to me.</p>
<p>These messages do not appear to be exclusively from public officials. They certainly contain private information.</p>
<p>And to everyone who says &#8220;Well this is really interesting&#8221;. Fine. You&#8217;re accepting that society can limit privacy rights in the interest of societal good. In this case the relatively minor good that is your amusement/fascination. If that&#8217;s legitimate, all the privacy infractions Britain&#8217;s proposing have to be legitimate as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Cameron</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648097</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with the poster who questioned BoingBoing&#039;s stance in relation to these text messages. These are intensly personal, tragic messages and to have them dissemenated to an audience without consent - even if the people aren&#039;t identified - is terrible.

There can be no excuse about pointing out the interception of messages. That could have been accomplished without excerpting the text-messages.

Whether there is any &#039;applause&#039; on the part of BoingBoing is largely meaningless. Firstly, there is no condemnation, which is interesting since if it had been the carrier releasing this, I&#039;d expect to see you guys howling. 

Secondly, irrespective of whether you condone the actions you have a moral responsibility not to further the message&#039;s spread. I hesitate to use the example, but your callous disregard for the people sending these messages has me upset. Assume for a moment that instead of text-messages, this was illegal pornography. In that case, you would be entitled to report on it, but not to direct or reproduce it. Now explain why the situation should be different for a mass breach of privacy.

Also, this seems to be outside of Wikileak&#039;s mandate, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the poster who questioned BoingBoing&#8217;s stance in relation to these text messages. These are intensly personal, tragic messages and to have them dissemenated to an audience without consent &#8211; even if the people aren&#8217;t identified &#8211; is terrible.</p>
<p>There can be no excuse about pointing out the interception of messages. That could have been accomplished without excerpting the text-messages.</p>
<p>Whether there is any &#8216;applause&#8217; on the part of BoingBoing is largely meaningless. Firstly, there is no condemnation, which is interesting since if it had been the carrier releasing this, I&#8217;d expect to see you guys howling. </p>
<p>Secondly, irrespective of whether you condone the actions you have a moral responsibility not to further the message&#8217;s spread. I hesitate to use the example, but your callous disregard for the people sending these messages has me upset. Assume for a moment that instead of text-messages, this was illegal pornography. In that case, you would be entitled to report on it, but not to direct or reproduce it. Now explain why the situation should be different for a mass breach of privacy.</p>
<p>Also, this seems to be outside of Wikileak&#8217;s mandate, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: prentiz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648108</link>
		<dc:creator>prentiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think that publishing this is outrageous and completely out of kilter with BB&#039;s usual stance on personal privacy.  How dare we look through people&#039;s private messages without their permission, simply for our own amusement?  The fact that it covers such an emotive period, where many people still have extremely raw feelings only makes matters worse.  Drawing more attention to this abuse diminshes Boingboing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think that publishing this is outrageous and completely out of kilter with BB&#8217;s usual stance on personal privacy.  How dare we look through people&#8217;s private messages without their permission, simply for our own amusement?  The fact that it covers such an emotive period, where many people still have extremely raw feelings only makes matters worse.  Drawing more attention to this abuse diminshes Boingboing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cefeida</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/25/wikileaks-publishes-2.html#comment-648377</link>
		<dc:creator>Cefeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, I&#039;m also surprised BB is spreading this instead of criticising it. It is extremely interesting and moving to read those pages, making the transcript public has great value- but it is also a breach of privacy. Like #43 said, there are phone numbers and names in there.

BB usually fights against such things, I don&#039;t see why this one gets a free pass.

On the data itself, it reads almost like a scripted, terrifying introduction to an apocalyptic blockbuster. Scary, very scary, even more so when we realise it wasn&#039;t an apocalypse, it was &#039;just&#039; two buildings falling. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I&#8217;m also surprised BB is spreading this instead of criticising it. It is extremely interesting and moving to read those pages, making the transcript public has great value- but it is also a breach of privacy. Like #43 said, there are phone numbers and names in there.</p>
<p>BB usually fights against such things, I don&#8217;t see why this one gets a free pass.</p>
<p>On the data itself, it reads almost like a scripted, terrifying introduction to an apocalyptic blockbuster. Scary, very scary, even more so when we realise it wasn&#8217;t an apocalypse, it was &#8216;just&#8217; two buildings falling. </p>
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