Comments on: Spanish activists issue manifesto on the rights of Internet users http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 25 May 2013 19:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-655366 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-655366 Great article and very enlightening. Thanks for using my artwork (artmakesmesmile) from my flickr account and crediting me. I didn't know about BB but I'll be reading more in the future. Great article and very enlightening. Thanks for using my artwork (artmakesmesmile) from my flickr account and crediting me. I didn’t know about BB but I’ll be reading more in the future.

]]> By: artmakesmesmile http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-655375 artmakesmesmile Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-655375 Great article, very enlightening. I am glad my artwork was of use to you on this occasion. Didn't know about BB but will be reading it in the future. Great article, very enlightening. I am glad my artwork was of use to you on this occasion. Didn’t know about BB but will be reading it in the future.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-654367 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-654367 Thanks from Spain. Thanks from Spain.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-653094 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-653094 Really do need some kind of Magna Carta of copy law. And someone to tie to a tree and force to sign it. Really do need some kind of Magna Carta of copy law. And someone to tie to a tree and force to sign it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-653113 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-653113 There was not, and never will be liberty of expression in Spain. It comes from a long ago time ; Do any of you remember the infamous "que inventen ellos!!"? As for the outcry about the new law, or amendment, you voted in the Socialist Party, and you didn't think that all the Socialist governments through History have abolished the most basic rights of the citizens, as a first and basic step to remain in power? Good luck and bring the panderetas.... There was not, and never will be liberty of expression in Spain. It comes from a long ago time ; Do any of you remember the infamous “que inventen ellos!!”?
As for the outcry about the new law, or amendment, you voted in the Socialist Party, and you didn’t think that all the Socialist governments through History have abolished the most basic rights of the citizens, as a first and basic step to remain in power?
Good luck and bring the panderetas….

]]> By: AndyWalpole http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-652897 AndyWalpole Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-652897 ¡No pasarán! ¡No pasarán!

]]> By: VICTOR JIMENEZ http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-652902 VICTOR JIMENEZ Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-652902 It seems that in Spain, cheesy musicians have higher rights than the rest of the population. They are the new elite. If you buy any kind of data storage medium (CD, DVD, BR, flash cards, hard disk, pen drives, etc) you have yo pay a special tax that goes directly to the "Copyright Managers" of the SGAE, a union that claim the ownership of over 20 million items but denies access to the complete list of works under some Terms of Use that would put in shame some crazy EULA we have seeing here... It seems that in Spain, cheesy musicians have higher rights than the rest of the population. They are the new elite.
If you buy any kind of data storage medium (CD, DVD, BR, flash cards, hard disk, pen drives, etc) you have yo pay a special tax that goes directly to the “Copyright Managers” of the SGAE, a union that claim the ownership of over 20 million items but denies access to the complete list of works under some Terms of Use that would put in shame some crazy EULA we have seeing here…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-654195 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-654195 There's already a couple of Facebook groups as well: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=190670506750&ref=nf and http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=186879394498&ref=mf There’s already a couple of Facebook groups as well:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=190670506750&ref=nf

and

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=186879394498&ref=mf

]]> By: Joe Baptista http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-655742 Joe Baptista Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-655742 My thanks to the people of Spain for this revolution. It is time to apply the boot to ACTA and take back our civil rights world wide. kindest regards joe baptista http://www.cynikal.net/users/baptista/ My thanks to the people of Spain for this revolution. It is time to apply the boot to ACTA and take back our civil rights world wide.

kindest regards
joe baptista
http://www.cynikal.net/users/baptista/

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-653952 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-653952 Thank you for supporting the Manifesto from Spain. It has had an amazing amount hype in a very short period of time. It was created in Google wave by some of the main bloggers and jourinalists from our country in a few hours. I guess it takes longer to the politicians to write laws that limit our freedom. Thank you for supporting the Manifesto from Spain.
It has had an amazing amount hype in a very short period of time.
It was created in Google wave by some of the main bloggers and jourinalists from our country in a few hours. I guess it takes longer to the politicians to write laws that limit our freedom.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-654216 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-654216 thanks from spain too thanks from spain too

]]> By: bohoe http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-652974 bohoe Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-652974 Brilliant document, great work. Brilliant document, great work.

]]> By: Dewi Morgan http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-654766 Dewi Morgan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-654766 > "promulgated ( sorry for my english isn't good )" You use a word like "promulgated" correctly, then apologise for your English? You shame most native English speakers :P > “promulgated ( sorry for my english isn’t good )”

You use a word like “promulgated” correctly, then apologise for your English? You shame most native English speakers :P

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-656066 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-656066 This is happening all over the world - the giant media conglomerates are winning. What this manifesto does is put in writing the counter-thinking that has emerged only recently - the basis of which is that the copyright law must be put in its rightful place, far below human rights and constitutional rights - citizens fundamental rights. That's why there is so much hype about this document - it's an idea whose time has come. This is happening all over the world – the giant media conglomerates are winning. What this manifesto does is put in writing the counter-thinking that has emerged only recently – the basis of which is that the copyright law must be put in its rightful place, far below human rights and constitutional rights – citizens fundamental rights.

That’s why there is so much hype about this document – it’s an idea whose time has come.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-653765 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-653765 I'm spanish, I pay a tax for everything, for example If I buy a Printer, I pay because a someone think that I use to print a book, the same applies to cameras, etc... If I buy a camera is to take pictures of my life, friends, etc, then why must I pay a tax? This laws were promulgated ( sorry for my english isn't good ), because the Industry is not getting more benefits. Now it's more important to defend the rights of a few to all citizens I’m spanish, I pay a tax for everything, for example If I buy a Printer, I pay because a someone think that I use to print a book, the same applies to cameras, etc…
If I buy a camera is to take pictures of my life, friends, etc, then why must I pay a tax?

This laws were promulgated ( sorry for my english isn’t good ), because the Industry is not getting more benefits.

Now it’s more important to defend the rights of a few to all citizens

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-652999 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-652999 Thanks for including the manifest in your website. Thanks for including the manifest in your website.

]]> By: Ariel Maidana http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-654288 Ariel Maidana Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-654288 This screenshot is from Barrapunto (the Spanish Slashdot a couple of days ago: http://bayimg.com/JAfhIaAcK The first headline is a "Pregunta a /" (Ask Barrapunto) and its from a Spanish guy who lives in China and wants to know how to bypass censorship by using a VPN. The second one is about the bill that would allow the government to take down websites. This screenshot is from Barrapunto (the Spanish Slashdot a couple of days ago:
http://bayimg.com/JAfhIaAcK

The first headline is a “Pregunta a /” (Ask Barrapunto) and its from a Spanish guy who lives in China and wants to know how to bypass censorship by using a VPN.

The second one is about the bill that would allow the government to take down websites.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-654293 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-654293 I`m Spanich girl and I fell ashamed of this... i`m gonna tell ony a sentence.... This will be like China, searching in internet "freedom" is forbidden. I`m Spanich girl and I fell ashamed of this… i`m gonna tell ony a sentence….

This will be like China, searching in internet “freedom” is forbidden.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-653531 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-653531 We must stop this! WE MUST STOP THIS!! We must stop this! WE MUST STOP THIS!!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-654811 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-654811 Thanks for your comment Dewi. In my opinion, many European countries use the pressure of some lobby, in this case the music, to control the net. Maybe not like China, but something like. Thanks for your comment Dewi.

In my opinion, many European countries use the pressure of some lobby, in this case the music, to control the net.

Maybe not like China, but something like.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-653278 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-653278 As obnoxious as the mandatory media tax is, if that was all the industry asked for, they could probably get it almost everywhere. But nothing is enough for these people, so like Aesop's dog, they will probably lose this 'bone' by greed. Trivia: In Canada it has been next to impossible to buy cd-r since dvd-r showed up, as for some bizarre reason the cd-r had the levy, but the dvd-r didn't! As obnoxious as the mandatory media tax is, if that was all the industry asked for, they could probably get it almost everywhere. But nothing is enough for these people, so like Aesop’s dog, they will probably lose this ‘bone’ by greed.

Trivia: In Canada it has been next to impossible to buy cd-r since dvd-r showed up, as for some bizarre reason the cd-r had the levy, but the dvd-r didn’t!

]]> By: Infophage http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-653026 Infophage Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-653026 The spanish government has not been neither able nor willing to resist the pressures. This law is a delayed payment in exchange for the support given by the Media Industry to the Socialist Party. Private copy and downloads have always been legal in Spain (in fact all media able to store and manipulate data are taxed to compensate the industry, hell even printers) nevertheless the Government has spent vast amounts of public funds sponsoring campaigns that negate this right. The most dangerous flaw in this law is taking the courts out of the equation and placing the power of negating access and taking down sites in the hands of the very people who will benefit from it. Add to this that there are no DMCA or Safe Harbor provisions in Spain and we're just a step away from arbitrary digital censorship -there is no doubt that this power will be used to it's last consequences. I guess the main problem is that we still hold the wrong conception that governments work for -and in the interest of- the people. The spanish government has not been neither able nor willing to resist the pressures. This law is a delayed payment in exchange for the support given by the Media Industry to the Socialist Party.

Private copy and downloads have always been legal in Spain (in fact all media able to store and manipulate data are taxed to compensate the industry, hell even printers) nevertheless the Government has spent vast amounts of public funds sponsoring campaigns that negate this right.

The most dangerous flaw in this law is taking the courts out of the equation and placing the power of negating access and taking down sites in the hands of the very people who will benefit from it. Add to this that there are no DMCA or Safe Harbor provisions in Spain and we’re just a step away from arbitrary digital censorship -there is no doubt that this power will be used to it’s last consequences.

I guess the main problem is that we still hold the wrong conception that governments work for -and in the interest of- the people.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-654315 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-654315 I completely agree with the manifesto. I think that the EP voted a directive, according to which authorities in European countries don't have a right to stop internet to citizens without a fair trial. I'm not sure if it applies to net neutralities, but it should. Of course, we can all use proxies or similar services, but this isn't the point. Everyone should be innocent untile proved guilty. This should be universal right and should stay above everything else. I completely agree with the manifesto. I think that the EP voted a directive, according to which authorities in European countries don’t have a right to stop internet to citizens without a fair trial. I’m not sure if it applies to net neutralities, but it should. Of course, we can all use proxies or similar services, but this isn’t the point. Everyone should be innocent untile proved guilty. This should be universal right and should stay above everything else.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/02/spanish-activists-is.html#comment-653823 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-653823 Thanks from Spain for your suport to manifiesto :-) Thanks from Spain for your suport to manifiesto :-)

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