Comments on: Frazetta's son busted for trying to steal his father's art http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sun, 26 May 2013 02:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Tony Moore http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-662274 Tony Moore Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662274 i hope that someday my kids can steal my shit to the tune of $20mil. i'd be happy if my estate was worth $20K! I wonder if Mike Hoffman's a suspect as the accomplice. </internet comedy joke> i hope that someday my kids can steal my shit to the tune of $20mil. i’d be happy if my estate was worth $20K!

I wonder if Mike Hoffman’s a suspect as the accomplice.

]]> By: sebastian6 http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661765 sebastian6 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661765 "he did't not give his son permission" Does that somehow count as, like, a triple negative? “he did’t not give his son permission”

Does that somehow count as, like, a triple negative?

]]> By: Tony Moore http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-662280 Tony Moore Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662280 i hope that someday my kids can steal my shit to the tune of $20mil. i'd be happy if my estate was worth $20K! I wonder if Mike Hoffman's a suspect as the accomplice. </internet comedy joke> i hope that someday my kids can steal my shit to the tune of $20mil. i’d be happy if my estate was worth $20K!

I wonder if Mike Hoffman’s a suspect as the accomplice.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661771 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661771 Fixeded. Fixeded.

]]> By: Xeni Jardin http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661774 Xeni Jardin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661774 Wow. Get a load of the taupe-toned chompers on that poor fella. Wow. Get a load of the taupe-toned chompers on that poor fella.

]]> By: jfrancis http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661778 jfrancis Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661778 and he was red-handed, too. and he was red-handed, too.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661781 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661781 Pretty low down nonsense after the passing of Frank's wife. Pretty low down nonsense after the passing of Frank’s wife.

]]> By: ChiaLynn http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661788 ChiaLynn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661788 The comments on the local news article about it are fascinating - several people saying that Frank Jr. was just trying to keep more of his father's work from being looted. http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091210/NEWS/912109991/-1/News The comments on the local news article about it are fascinating – several people saying that Frank Jr. was just trying to keep more of his father’s work from being looted.

http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091210/NEWS/912109991/-1/News

]]> By: Sekino http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661812 Sekino Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661812 I'm not normally in favour of spanking children... except under such circumstances. I’m not normally in favour of spanking children… except under such circumstances.

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661827 Cowicide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661827 By any mean necessary get mah paintinz to z bunker!!! Ahhh!!! By any mean necessary get mah paintinz to z bunker!!! Ahhh!!!

]]> By: greengestalt http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661845 greengestalt Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661845 Please ref to the rest of the article: Due to extreme age, Frazetta is suffering from Senile Dementia. The business stuff was handled by Frazetta's wife, but then she passed away. It's her DOCTOR that is now 'in charge'... Can you say "Conflict of Interest"? What'd you do if you had a legacy that'd let you live easy and rich for a long time, or assure you'd be OK even in a great depression 2.0, but then as your parents were passing away people they interacted with (Lawyers, doctors) suddenly had the "Rights" to it all transferred to them? Wish I was on whatever jury he faces, I'd let him off even if he shot them. "Intellectual property" shouldn't just be for big companies. When Fraz goes, his son should own the 'rights' to his paintings, to profit from the sale/use of them. Granted a person may "Disinherit" someone, but when it's their doctor/lawyer at their death bed naming themselves as the new "Heir" there's outright lies if not coercion and manipulation going on. Frankly, such a professional should NOT be allowed under any circumstances to get assets that way as a "Conflict of Interest". Please ref to the rest of the article:

Due to extreme age, Frazetta is suffering from Senile Dementia. The business stuff was handled by Frazetta’s wife, but then she passed away. It’s her DOCTOR that is now ‘in charge’… Can you say “Conflict of Interest”?

What’d you do if you had a legacy that’d let you live easy and rich for a long time, or assure you’d be OK even in a great depression 2.0, but then as your parents were passing away people they interacted with (Lawyers, doctors) suddenly had the “Rights” to it all transferred to them? Wish I was on whatever jury he faces, I’d let him off even if he shot them.

“Intellectual property” shouldn’t just be for big companies. When Fraz goes, his son should own the ‘rights’ to his paintings, to profit from the sale/use of them. Granted a person may “Disinherit” someone, but when it’s their doctor/lawyer at their death bed naming themselves as the new “Heir” there’s outright lies if not coercion and manipulation going on. Frankly, such a professional should NOT be allowed under any circumstances to get assets that way as a “Conflict of Interest”.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-662118 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662118 Such a sad note in the legacy of a great artist. Such a sad note in the legacy of a great artist.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661885 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661885 Even if he had legitimate reasons to want the paintings, he definitely didn't do any good by stealing them. Even if he had legitimate reasons to want the paintings, he definitely didn’t do any good by stealing them.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-663685 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-663685 Re: disinherited still get a piece of the pie. Not true. By explicitly giving a token amount, say five dollars, in a will to a disinherited individual the wishes of the deceased are legally viewed as total, explicit and final. It is only by not being explicit, that is by not giving the disinherited person any mention in the will, that there is legal question. So... If there are people you don't want to get anything you have to give them something as a token of recognition that they aren't going to get anything more. Re: disinherited still get a piece of the pie.

Not true. By explicitly giving a token amount, say five dollars, in a will to a disinherited individual the wishes of the deceased are legally viewed as total, explicit and final. It is only by not being explicit, that is by not giving the disinherited person any mention in the will, that there is legal question.

So…

If there are people you don’t want to get anything you have to give them something as a token of recognition that they aren’t going to get anything more.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-662695 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662695 Strange isn't it that jr. thinks he has any rights to anything while his father is still living! And lets not forget he has a brother and two sisters. Many people give their first born the "executor" title, but rarely hand over everything lock stock and barrel without consideration for all heirs. This is pure unadulterated GREED. I hope Dad lives a long long time! Strange isn’t it that jr. thinks he has any rights to anything while his father is still living! And lets not forget he has a brother and two sisters. Many people give their first born the “executor” title, but rarely hand over everything lock stock and barrel without consideration for all heirs. This is pure unadulterated GREED. I hope Dad lives a long long time!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-663488 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-663488 They said he had two other guys caught in the place how come they did'nt have a mug shot posted? only their names. They said he had two other guys caught in the place how come they did’nt have a mug shot posted? only their names.

]]> By: toyg http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-661973 toyg Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661973 greengestalt, intellectual property was *invented* for this sort of cases and it does usually work in this area; problems start only when you can transfer it to different entities. In Europe, where authors cannot give away their rights, Frazetta's word would always be final and things like these simply wouldn't happen. If anything, problems are usually of the opposite type because of ordinary inheritance law (i.e. "disowned" relatives tend to get a piece of the pie regardless of the author's wishes). greengestalt, intellectual property was *invented* for this sort of cases and it does usually work in this area; problems start only when you can transfer it to different entities.
In Europe, where authors cannot give away their rights, Frazetta’s word would always be final and things like these simply wouldn’t happen. If anything, problems are usually of the opposite type because of ordinary inheritance law (i.e. “disowned” relatives tend to get a piece of the pie regardless of the author’s wishes).

]]> By: sferris http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-663000 sferris Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-663000 I’m heartbroken to hear all this after getting to know this family over the years.
I just sent a card for Ellie. Very sad.
I believe Lori that Frank Jr. was trying to secure the work and avoid a sell-off by mounting greed. Some of them are seeing dollars instead of history and art.
I hope this resolves and the family and work stay put. 
Steve Ferris I’m heartbroken to hear all this after getting to know this family over the years.
I just sent a card for Ellie. Very sad.
I believe Lori that Frank Jr. was trying to secure the work and avoid a sell-off by mounting greed. Some of them are seeing dollars instead of history and art.
I hope this resolves and the family and work stay put.

Steve Ferris

]]> By: sferris http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-663512 sferris Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-663512 I am interested in knowing why he is being held at 500,000 bail. Why no-one has posted for him if he was doing something he was told he should do. I know Frank Jr. He would never sell these paintings. This seems completely out there because we don't know the recent goings-on as to who was trying to sell the paintings and who is in control of the estate. Where's Doc Dave when you need him. Steve I am interested in knowing why he is being held at 500,000 bail. Why no-one has posted for him if he was doing something he was told he should do.
I know Frank Jr. He would never sell these paintings. This seems completely out there because we don’t know the recent goings-on as to who was trying to sell the paintings and who is in control of the estate.
Where’s Doc Dave when you need him.
Steve

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/frazettas-son-busted.html#comment-783587 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-783587 When you die your work should go into the public domain. End of story. None of this "estate for 100 years" crap. The kids should earn their own living not off the work of some ancestor. When you die your work should go into the public domain. End of story. None of this “estate for 100 years” crap. The kids should earn their own living not off the work of some ancestor.

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