Comments on: Rick Warren does the right thing http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Mon, 20 May 2013 08:29:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-662016 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662016 If he truly felt, and felt strongly, that state-sanctioned murder of gays is wrong, he would have said so from the git. As it is, his "we don't take sides, we just offer the support" mealy-mouthedness, combined with his past public positions on gays, gives any rational human being and most of the lunatics ample reason to question his sincerity. If he truly felt, and felt strongly, that state-sanctioned murder of gays is wrong, he would have said so from the git. As it is, his “we don’t take sides, we just offer the support” mealy-mouthedness, combined with his past public positions on gays, gives any rational human being and most of the lunatics ample reason to question his sincerity.

]]> By: TariAkpodiete http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-662785 TariAkpodiete Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662785 for anyone who thinks that religious extremism isn't a part of some Americans christianity: Rick Warren Urges Followers To Emulate Hitler Youth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRctKSeyQ-s i found out about that video from a post by Bruce Wilson made here: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/12/11/11629/913 "It's gratifying to know "America's most powerful pastor" seems to have taken notice of my videos, showcasing Rick Warren's 2005 speech at California's Anaheim Angels Stadium, during which Warren outlined a "stealth" program to take the world and called on his listening to show the sort of devotion to Jesus as followers of Hitler, Lenin, and Mao gave to their respective leaders." Warren has been complaining on twitter that Wilson is unfairly portraying him, but the Warren's own words speak for themselves for anyone who thinks that religious extremism isn’t a part of some Americans christianity:

Rick Warren Urges Followers To Emulate Hitler Youth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRctKSeyQ-s

i found out about that video from a post by Bruce Wilson made here:

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/12/11/11629/913

“It’s gratifying to know “America’s most powerful pastor” seems to have taken notice of my videos, showcasing Rick Warren’s 2005 speech at California’s Anaheim Angels Stadium, during which Warren outlined a “stealth” program to take the world and called on his listening to show the sort of devotion to Jesus as followers of Hitler, Lenin, and Mao gave to their respective leaders.”

Warren has been complaining on twitter that Wilson is unfairly portraying him, but the Warren’s own words speak for themselves

]]> By: Maggie Koerth-Baker http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661510 Maggie Koerth-Baker Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661510 I agree that it's pretty damn shameful that it took a huge amount of public pressure to get him to do this. But I'm a big fan of positive reinforcement. Maybe the next time something like this comes up, he'll do the right thing without prompting. I agree that it’s pretty damn shameful that it took a huge amount of public pressure to get him to do this. But I’m a big fan of positive reinforcement. Maybe the next time something like this comes up, he’ll do the right thing without prompting.

]]> By: smammers http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661513 smammers Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661513 Yeah, he's still a scumbag, but not advocating gays is still better than advocating it. It's a step in the right direction. Granted, he'll probably never stop preaching abstinence (among other things), but that doesn't negate him speaking out against this bill. Yeah, he’s still a scumbag, but not advocating gays is still better than advocating it. It’s a step in the right direction. Granted, he’ll probably never stop preaching abstinence (among other things), but that doesn’t negate him speaking out against this bill.

]]> By: PlushieSchwartz http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661519 PlushieSchwartz Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661519 Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Rick Warren is delusional, or a con man or little bit of both. He's just sensing his own stink - and the possible repercussions - once again he's chosen political expediency rather than show his true beliefs. He's like the lizards from V patiently biding his time. Then he'll eat us gays. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Rick Warren is delusional, or a con man or little bit of both. He’s just sensing his own stink – and the possible repercussions – once again he’s chosen political expediency rather than show his true beliefs. He’s like the lizards from V patiently biding his time. Then he’ll eat us gays.

]]> By: takeshi http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661522 takeshi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661522 I second the previous comment. Rick Warren FINALLY does the right thing. And frankly, what in the Hell are we talking about? It's the "right" thing to tell Uganda NOT to murder people for their sexual orientation? Has the bar really fallen so low? Warren is a hatemonger. If he really wanted to do the right thing, he would side with the evidence. Homosexuality isn't a choice. It can't be "cured." It's not contrary to the laws of God, and neither is homosexuality among dogs, horses, dolphins, penguins. We need to stop being apologists for those who politicize their religious views. I second the previous comment. Rick Warren FINALLY does the right thing. And frankly, what in the Hell are we talking about? It’s the “right” thing to tell Uganda NOT to murder people for their sexual orientation? Has the bar really fallen so low?

Warren is a hatemonger. If he really wanted to do the right thing, he would side with the evidence. Homosexuality isn’t a choice. It can’t be “cured.” It’s not contrary to the laws of God, and neither is homosexuality among dogs, horses, dolphins, penguins. We need to stop being apologists for those who politicize their religious views.

]]> By: J France http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661779 J France Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661779 I don't think he's aware that my reading of the "faith tools" at his website are not exactly as he intended. A "christian social network for tools" is a more fittting description. I don’t think he’s aware that my reading of the “faith tools” at his website are not exactly as he intended.

A “christian social network for tools” is a more fittting description.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661525 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661525 Look - I can agree with the statements regarding Mr. Warren's shortcomings. However, as a gay person - I am thrilled that someone with as much influence as he has is speaking out. How many countries already have death penalties in place for homosexuals, and no one outside of Amnesty International is addressing it? He could have kept his mouth shut, despite the prompting, and I wouldn't have been surprised. He did the right thing here. Lives may be saved because of it. It doesn't have anything to do with anything else. Right here, right now - he may have saved some lives. It is life and death. It is commendable. It is applauded. Look – I can agree with the statements regarding Mr. Warren’s shortcomings. However, as a gay person – I am thrilled that someone with as much influence as he has is speaking out. How many countries already have death penalties in place for homosexuals, and no one outside of Amnesty International is addressing it?
He could have kept his mouth shut, despite the prompting, and I wouldn’t have been surprised.
He did the right thing here. Lives may be saved because of it. It doesn’t have anything to do with anything else. Right here, right now – he may have saved some lives. It is life and death. It is commendable. It is applauded.

]]> By: smammers http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661526 smammers Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661526 Oops, my comment should read: "but not advocating <i>killing</i> gays is still better than advocating it." Oops, my comment should read: “but not advocating killing gays is still better than advocating it.”

]]> By: takeshi http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-662038 takeshi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662038 @ mati: Warren has been extremely influential in Ugandan politics. He's lobbied to push for abstinence-only education in Uganda, and made trips to Uganda in support of the Ugandan ministers who boycotted the Church of England for being "pro-gay," so his statement that it's not his intention to "comment or interfere in the political process of other nations" is flatly untrue. As Rachel Maddow points out, Warren also came out in support of Proposition 8, and later denied that he'd endorsed it. The man is a liar, and if you really believe that he's being "helpful," you are one seriously misguided individual. With respect to this issue specifically, he's done far more harm than good. Rick Warren's belated "opposition" to the proposed law is akin to a death row inmate speaking out against homicide. It's prevarication, it's pandering, and unless Warren makes another trip to Uganda to voice his "concerns," it is wildly doubtful that his opinion on the subject will do anything to derail this legislation. @ mati:

Warren has been extremely influential in Ugandan politics. He’s lobbied to push for abstinence-only education in Uganda, and made trips to Uganda in support of the Ugandan ministers who boycotted the Church of England for being “pro-gay,” so his statement that it’s not his intention to “comment or interfere in the political process of other nations” is flatly untrue. As Rachel Maddow points out, Warren also came out in support of Proposition 8, and later denied that he’d endorsed it. The man is a liar, and if you really believe that he’s being “helpful,” you are one seriously misguided individual. With respect to this issue specifically, he’s done far more harm than good.

Rick Warren’s belated “opposition” to the proposed law is akin to a death row inmate speaking out against homicide. It’s prevarication, it’s pandering, and unless Warren makes another trip to Uganda to voice his “concerns,” it is wildly doubtful that his opinion on the subject will do anything to derail this legislation.

]]> By: Bevatron Repairman http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661529 Bevatron Repairman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661529 Sometimes a moral condemnation is just a moral condemnation. I don't understand the need to hedge praise for a person on the other side of an issue when he does the right thing. He is in a very strong position to make a statement against this law and he has done so. That he is morally opposed to homosexuality and premarital sex is totally immaterial here. He's done the right thing and should be thanked for it. It's not like the protestant churches in Uganda spend a lot of time listening to MSNBC or Pacifica Radio. The head of my Church is certainly sitting on his ass about it all. Which is probably sort of uncomfortable, with his head right in the way. Sometimes a moral condemnation is just a moral condemnation.

I don’t understand the need to hedge praise for a person on the other side of an issue when he does the right thing. He is in a very strong position to make a statement against this law and he has done so. That he is morally opposed to homosexuality and premarital sex is totally immaterial here. He’s done the right thing and should be thanked for it. It’s not like the protestant churches in Uganda spend a lot of time listening to MSNBC or Pacifica Radio.

The head of my Church is certainly sitting on his ass about it all. Which is probably sort of uncomfortable, with his head right in the way.

]]> By: takeshi http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661535 takeshi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661535 OK, so let me get this straight. Rick Warren is to be commended for coming out against this proposed legislation? Please. He's going with the tide, and he wouldn't unless it was in his best interests politically. Let's not kid ourselves. I'm hetero, but that doesn't stop me from looking at this with compassion for all those gays he's denounced over the years. It is precisely his brand of hatred that has given rise to Uganda's current "kill the gays" climate. Don't be a fool. Rick Warren would murder a billion homosexuals if he thought he could get away with it. OK, so let me get this straight. Rick Warren is to be commended for coming out against this proposed legislation? Please.

He’s going with the tide, and he wouldn’t unless it was in his best interests politically. Let’s not kid ourselves. I’m hetero, but that doesn’t stop me from looking at this with compassion for all those gays he’s denounced over the years. It is precisely his brand of hatred that has given rise to Uganda’s current “kill the gays” climate.

Don’t be a fool. Rick Warren would murder a billion homosexuals if he thought he could get away with it.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661536 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661536 <i>Has the bar really fallen so low?</i> Do you know what's happening in Oslo today? Has the bar really fallen so low?

Do you know what’s happening in Oslo today?

]]> By: cloudthreads http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661538 cloudthreads Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661538 @takeshi, What about "Let me be clear that God's Word states that all sex outside of marriage is not what God intends. Jesus reaffirmed what Moses wrote that marriage is intended to be between one man and one woman committed to each other for life" says that he thinks same-sex attraction is purely a choice? Seems to me is that he's saying a particular behavior is a choice, under his understanding of personal morality this behavior is wrong, but that morality shouldn't ever be something laws are made to enforce. @takeshi, What about “Let me be clear that God’s Word states that all sex outside of marriage is not what God intends. Jesus reaffirmed what Moses wrote that marriage is intended to be between one man and one woman committed to each other for life” says that he thinks same-sex attraction is purely a choice? Seems to me is that he’s saying a particular behavior is a choice, under his understanding of personal morality this behavior is wrong, but that morality shouldn’t ever be something laws are made to enforce.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-662050 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662050 I'm going to have to agree with these people. I for one follow the teachings of Christ. I also read boingboing. Although I do not agree with a lot of things BB may say, I find it an important forum and an important window on worlds that I may never encounter. To me that is the very attitude of Christ. He hung out with prostitutes, tax collecters, aka people unlike the "religious right wing". Jesus was open minded and listened to people he had no self interest in being around. But, to wholly dismiss Christianity because of your close-minded stereotyping misconceptions and the followers that are trying to live that faith out is painfully foolish. I hope this ignorance is something that changes overtime and that self-righteous atheism and agnosticism is not a trademark of a happy mutant. I’m going to have to agree with these people. I for one follow the teachings of Christ. I also read boingboing. Although I do not agree with a lot of things BB may say, I find it an important forum and an important window on worlds that I may never encounter. To me that is the very attitude of Christ. He hung out with prostitutes, tax collecters, aka people unlike the “religious right wing”. Jesus was open minded and listened to people he had no self interest in being around. But, to wholly dismiss Christianity because of your close-minded stereotyping misconceptions and the followers that are trying to live that faith out is painfully foolish. I hope this ignorance is something that changes overtime and that self-righteous atheism and agnosticism is not a trademark of a happy mutant.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661795 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661795 I just stumbled upon this, but I just have to say: This extreme distrust of people you disagree with hurts the world as a whole. That is all. I just stumbled upon this, but I just have to say: This extreme distrust of people you disagree with hurts the world as a whole.

That is all.

]]> By: Xenu http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661541 Xenu Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661541 How dense do you have to be to listen to this idiot, let alone let yourself be influenced by him? Who cares about these sheep? How dense do you have to be to listen to this idiot, let alone let yourself be influenced by him?

Who cares about these sheep?

]]> By: zio_donnie http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-662823 zio_donnie Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662823 @ Anonymous 80 mate with all due respect i have never heard of Universal Life, or the Unitarian Universalist denomination before. from what you say you are not even recognized from your own state, so i was not talking about you. if you got offended by my previous bashing of priests it was not intended for you D.I.Y priests. declare myself a priest does not a priest of me make. i was thinking more about the vatican, the orthodox and the anglicans and the american evangelical McPriests. i do have respect for people like you that try to reform christianity by giving example but in other times you would already be fried by the inquisition today you are simply irrelevant. not a bash here just a matter of fact. @ Anonymous 80

mate with all due respect i have never heard of Universal Life, or the Unitarian Universalist denomination before. from what you say you are not even recognized from your own state, so i was not talking about you.

if you got offended by my previous bashing of priests it was not intended for you D.I.Y priests. declare myself a priest does not a priest of me make.
i was thinking more about the vatican, the orthodox and the anglicans and the american evangelical McPriests.

i do have respect for people like you that try to reform christianity by giving example but in other times you would already be fried by the inquisition today you are simply irrelevant.

not a bash here just a matter of fact.

]]> By: takeshi http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661544 takeshi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661544 I was speaking of the God who doesn't murder people, or make bets with the Devil. You know, the same God that made all the homosexual animals. Jesus and Moses were delusional. Not terrible people, I'm sure, but fucking batshit. I was speaking of the God who doesn’t murder people, or make bets with the Devil. You know, the same God that made all the homosexual animals.

Jesus and Moses were delusional. Not terrible people, I’m sure, but fucking batshit.

]]> By: Brainspore http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661548 Brainspore Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661548 Those "sheep" are on the cusp of passing laws to allow the mass slaughter of gay people. If ANYONE can use their influence to help stop them then that is a good thing. Those “sheep” are on the cusp of passing laws to allow the mass slaughter of gay people.

If ANYONE can use their influence to help stop them then that is a good thing.

]]> By: cloudthreads http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661551 cloudthreads Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661551 @takeshi. It sounds like you're extrapolating and inferring particular things about what Warren believes in order to call him a hatemonger based on what you think he believes (based on his stated belief system) rather than what he's saying. "ALL life, no matter how humble or broken, whether unborn or dying, is precious to God. My wife, Kay, and I have devoted our lives and our ministry to saving the lives of people, including homosexuals, who are HIV positive. It would be inconsistent to save some lives and wish death on others. We’re not just pro-life. We are whole life." sounds like a person who doesn't hate people, but is trying to help them. @takeshi. It sounds like you’re extrapolating and inferring particular things about what Warren believes in order to call him a hatemonger based on what you think he believes (based on his stated belief system) rather than what he’s saying.

“ALL life, no matter how humble or broken, whether unborn or dying, is precious to God. My wife, Kay, and I have devoted our lives and our ministry to saving the lives of people, including homosexuals, who are HIV positive. It would be inconsistent to save some lives and wish death on others. We’re not just pro-life. We are whole life.” sounds like a person who doesn’t hate people, but is trying to help them.

]]> By: zio_donnie http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661554 zio_donnie Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661554 who the hell is this guy? i know i can google it and i get that he's some kind of american style infomercial McPriest but i never heard of him before. but a McPriest that has enough influence abroad? wow the power of american TV, just wow. anyway fk him. he did nothing more than state the bloody obvious for any decent human being and in great delay from what i read. a hero is somebody that goes out of the ordinary in order to perform a great deed not someone that does what he is supposed to do in the first place. Also fk priests of all religions. they will do anything they can get away with to get money and influence. no exceptions whatsoever. ever. who the hell is this guy? i know i can google it and i get that he’s some kind of american style infomercial McPriest but i never heard of him before. but a McPriest that has enough influence abroad? wow the power of american TV, just wow.

anyway fk him. he did nothing more than state the bloody obvious for any decent human being and in great delay from what i read. a hero is somebody that goes out of the ordinary in order to perform a great deed not someone that does what he is supposed to do in the first place.

Also fk priests of all religions. they will do anything they can get away with to get money and influence. no exceptions whatsoever. ever.

]]> By: MrJM http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661810 MrJM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661810 "laws that would make homosexuality a crime, punishable by death in some cases" Gay haters seems perfectly accurate to me. “laws that would make homosexuality a crime, punishable by death in some cases”

Gay haters seems perfectly accurate to me.

]]> By: doogiehowsah http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661558 doogiehowsah Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661558 Surprising and shameful, Boing Boing and Ms. Koerth-Baker, that you would post this story with zero background or investigation of the actual facts. You're merely taking Warren's press release at face value and giving him a pat on the back, and it's revolting. As has been made clear in multiple, apparently more responsible media outlets, Warren as recently as last month publicly refused to "take sides" on the issue of whether Uganda should kill people perceived to be gay, with the mealy-mouthed excuse that he shouldn't "interfere" in Ugandan affairs. But as the Daily Beast has reported, Warren has been interfering in Africa for a long time, and his work there has been 100% bad news, supporting the most frighteningly anti-gay leaders like Martin Ssempa, fighting the promotion of condoms, etcetera. Rather than, as you blindly claim, using "his influence and power to use to save the lives of innocent people," his far-too-late letter to Ugandan officials is actually a cover-up of multiple bad deeds, a bit of lip service designed to combat a growing outcry. A person reading your post would have no idea what Warren is really doing, and to the uninitiated, you'll read that story and say "hey, he's not such a bad guy." It's profoundly disturbing that a site like Boing Boing, with such a proud tradition of seeing through such bullcrap, is instead, in this instance, spreading it around more. Surprising and shameful, Boing Boing and Ms. Koerth-Baker, that you would post this story with zero background or investigation of the actual facts. You’re merely taking Warren’s press release at face value and giving him a pat on the back, and it’s revolting. As has been made clear in multiple, apparently more responsible media outlets, Warren as recently as last month publicly refused to “take sides” on the issue of whether Uganda should kill people perceived to be gay, with the mealy-mouthed excuse that he shouldn’t “interfere” in Ugandan affairs. But as the Daily Beast has reported, Warren has been interfering in Africa for a long time, and his work there has been 100% bad news, supporting the most frighteningly anti-gay leaders like Martin Ssempa, fighting the promotion of condoms, etcetera. Rather than, as you blindly claim, using “his influence and power to use to save the lives of innocent people,” his far-too-late letter to Ugandan officials is actually a cover-up of multiple bad deeds, a bit of lip service designed to combat a growing outcry. A person reading your post would have no idea what Warren is really doing, and to the uninitiated, you’ll read that story and say “hey, he’s not such a bad guy.” It’s profoundly disturbing that a site like Boing Boing, with such a proud tradition of seeing through such bullcrap, is instead, in this instance, spreading it around more.

]]> By: emilydickinsonridesabmx http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661814 emilydickinsonridesabmx Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661814 I think it's important to keep some perspective here. Yes, Rick Warren is a creep. However, the fact that he came out and made this statement, which may actually save the lives of our gay friends in Uganda (may not, sadly). We live in an imperfect world. Let's take the small and Pyrrhic victories where we can get them. After hearing the story of the anonymous gay gentleman from Uganda on the BBC this morning, I'm inclined to think any little thing that may help him, and his friends still in Uganda, is a good thing. I think it’s important to keep some perspective here. Yes, Rick Warren is a creep. However, the fact that he came out and made this statement, which may actually save the lives of our gay friends in Uganda (may not, sadly). We live in an imperfect world. Let’s take the small and Pyrrhic victories where we can get them.

After hearing the story of the anonymous gay gentleman from Uganda on the BBC this morning, I’m inclined to think any little thing that may help him, and his friends still in Uganda, is a good thing.

]]> By: Pipenta http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661560 Pipenta Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661560 This the same fckwd (I'm disemvoweling myself to save the mods the bother) who says women should stay with their husbands even if the husband is abusive. Oh yeah, rah for him. He's a fckng prince. This the same fckwd (I’m disemvoweling myself to save the mods the bother) who says women should stay with their husbands even if the husband is abusive.

Oh yeah, rah for him. He’s a fckng prince.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-662584 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-662584 Universal Life, zio_donnie. It's a Universalist denomination that will ordain anyone, no questions asked. It's popular with Unitarian Universalist ministers who want legal recognition from the state (to be able to perform marriages that are legally recognized) but do not wish to attend a traditional seminary. http://www.ulc.org Universal Life, zio_donnie. It’s a Universalist denomination that will ordain anyone, no questions asked. It’s popular with Unitarian Universalist ministers who want legal recognition from the state (to be able to perform marriages that are legally recognized) but do not wish to attend a traditional seminary.

http://www.ulc.org

]]> By: Brainspore http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661562 Brainspore Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661562 @doogie: Maggie has been writing about Warren's failures to address the problem up until now all week, as you'll note if you read the links at the bottom of the story. @doogie: Maggie has been writing about Warren’s failures to address the problem up until now all week, as you’ll note if you read the links at the bottom of the story.

]]> By: marcusp http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661563 marcusp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661563 "..Also fk priests of all religions. they will do anything they can get away with to get money and influence. no exceptions whatsoever. ever..." Someone remind me again which side is the "close-minded-loves-blanket-judgements" one? “..Also fk priests of all religions. they will do anything they can get away with to get money and influence. no exceptions whatsoever. ever…”

Someone remind me again which side is the “close-minded-loves-blanket-judgements” one?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/10/rick-warren-does-the.html#comment-661822 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-661822 I have a reading recommendation for BBers: "Things a Computer Scientist Rarely Talks About" by Donald Knuth. He's all manner of awesome and also happens to be a Christian. He talks about his Christianity but doesn't have anything to sell you, and there are lots of really interesting asides about translation and calligraphy and computer science. Plus I'm pretty sure anything by Knuth counts toward your geek merit badge. I have a reading recommendation for BBers: “Things a Computer Scientist Rarely Talks About” by Donald Knuth. He’s all manner of awesome and also happens to be a Christian. He talks about his Christianity but doesn’t have anything to sell you, and there are lots of really interesting asides about translation and calligraphy and computer science. Plus I’m pretty sure anything by Knuth counts toward your geek merit badge.

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