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	<title>Comments on: Dr Peter Watts, Canadian science fiction writer, beaten and arrested at US&#160;border</title>
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		<title>By: petercrowell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662784</link>
		<dc:creator>petercrowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uplinktruck, you said: &quot;it is my experience that in most cases when someone gets sprayed and smacked down, the person getting that went out of their way to get it.&quot;

What exactly is your experience? In most of how many cases? This kind of thing happens all the time. There&#039;s video aplenty of cops out of control. It&#039;s not at all hard to believe that Dr. Watts was brutalized for no reason, and that&#039;s the problem. It&#039;s credible. How many people reading this story responded by saying, &quot;Oh, stop it. That doesn&#039;t happen.&quot; Unfortunately no, even before we get the full story we automatically respond with &quot;Oh, my God not again.&quot;

Insisting on the facts is crucial. It&#039;s also the knee-jerk response of people who don&#039;t want to believe in the direction the world has taken. We live in a world, indeed in a country, where this sort of thing is totally possible, no matter what your experience has been.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uplinktruck, you said: &#8220;it is my experience that in most cases when someone gets sprayed and smacked down, the person getting that went out of their way to get it.&#8221;</p>
<p>What exactly is your experience? In most of how many cases? This kind of thing happens all the time. There&#8217;s video aplenty of cops out of control. It&#8217;s not at all hard to believe that Dr. Watts was brutalized for no reason, and that&#8217;s the problem. It&#8217;s credible. How many people reading this story responded by saying, &#8220;Oh, stop it. That doesn&#8217;t happen.&#8221; Unfortunately no, even before we get the full story we automatically respond with &#8220;Oh, my God not again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Insisting on the facts is crucial. It&#8217;s also the knee-jerk response of people who don&#8217;t want to believe in the direction the world has taken. We live in a world, indeed in a country, where this sort of thing is totally possible, no matter what your experience has been.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben from MI</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-663041</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben from MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to this report in the local Port Huron newspaper, Watts was entering the USA. It&#039;s got very odd wording, though.

http://www.thetimesherald.com/article/20091211/NEWS01/91211010/Science+fiction+writer+charged+after+bridge+struggle

As recently as July, the only stop before crossing the border was to pay the bridge toll. The whole thing gets curiouser and curiouser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this report in the local Port Huron newspaper, Watts was entering the USA. It&#8217;s got very odd wording, though.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetimesherald.com/article/20091211/NEWS01/91211010/Science+fiction+writer+charged+after+bridge+struggle" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetimesherald.com/article/20091211/NEWS01/91211010/Science+fiction+writer+charged+after+bridge+struggle</a></p>
<p>As recently as July, the only stop before crossing the border was to pay the bridge toll. The whole thing gets curiouser and curiouser.</p>
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		<title>By: Xopher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662786</link>
		<dc:creator>Xopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chances are, if the video vindicates Dr. Watts, it&#039;s already been destroyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chances are, if the video vindicates Dr. Watts, it&#8217;s already been destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: scratch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662275</link>
		<dc:creator>scratch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>b...&lt;&gt;Y dn&#039;t hv t rspct th plc...ll y hv t d s by thr (lwfl) rdrs.&lt;/&gt;

grd, 100%.

&lt;b&gt;Moderator note:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1852747_1854195_1854185,00.html&quot;&gt;Read this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b&#8230;<>Y dn&#8217;t hv t rspct th plc&#8230;ll y hv t d s by thr (lwfl) rdrs.</p>
<p>grd, 100%.</p>
<p><b>Moderator note:</b> <a href="http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1852747_1854195_1854185,00.html">Read this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: SKR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662531</link>
		<dc:creator>SKR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but what about the people in the car behind them or the one behind that?  If I was in the car behind them and I saw the border cop getting agitated, I would start shooting in anticipation of catching something on film.  Then straight to youtube so they can&#039;t take the memorystick or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but what about the people in the car behind them or the one behind that?  If I was in the car behind them and I saw the border cop getting agitated, I would start shooting in anticipation of catching something on film.  Then straight to youtube so they can&#8217;t take the memorystick or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-663043</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no money, but I have lodged a complaint on Dr. Watts&#039; behalf with the Department of Homeland Security, Traveler Redress Inquiry Program: trip@dhs.gov</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no money, but I have lodged a complaint on Dr. Watts&#8217; behalf with the Department of Homeland Security, Traveler Redress Inquiry Program: <a href="mailto:trip@dhs.gov">trip@dhs.gov</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Tatroe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-663299</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Tatroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Port Huron paper has an updated story, it doesn&#039;t really add anything.

http://www.thetimesherald.com/article/20091212/NEWS01/912120305/1002/Ministry-reverses-Christmas/Writer-faces-assault-charge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Port Huron paper has an updated story, it doesn&#8217;t really add anything.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetimesherald.com/article/20091212/NEWS01/912120305/1002/Ministry-reverses-Christmas/Writer-faces-assault-charge" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetimesherald.com/article/20091212/NEWS01/912120305/1002/Ministry-reverses-Christmas/Writer-faces-assault-charge</a></p>
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		<title>By: richard_toronto</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662276</link>
		<dc:creator>richard_toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all the people who have commented that they are &quot;never going to Canada&quot; because of this, I suggest you read the article a little closer: he was beaten by *US* border guards. Not Canadian ones.

I am concerned, though - it&#039;s very, very rare to be inspected going OUT of the USA by DHS guards. I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve crossed at Port Huron before, but I&#039;ve crossed at every other border crossing in Ontario (save Cornwall), and every crossing BACK into Canada does not *require* you to stop on the way out... well, except Queenston-Lewiston, but that&#039;s a single stop light that sometimes (aka almost never) has a border guard in a booth (who I assume is running plates?).

Queenston-Lewiston is a heavy commercial crossing, as is Port Huron, so maybe it has an outbound stop?

Or did the people in his party have to stop at Export Control or US CIS for some sort of visa issue?

Regardless, I sent him a small amount of cash - I&#039;d have sent more, but I&#039;m not working at the moment. :(

I hope it all works out. Sadly, knowing the US legal system (I hold status in both countries), I&#039;m sure it won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the people who have commented that they are &#8220;never going to Canada&#8221; because of this, I suggest you read the article a little closer: he was beaten by *US* border guards. Not Canadian ones.</p>
<p>I am concerned, though &#8211; it&#8217;s very, very rare to be inspected going OUT of the USA by DHS guards. I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve crossed at Port Huron before, but I&#8217;ve crossed at every other border crossing in Ontario (save Cornwall), and every crossing BACK into Canada does not *require* you to stop on the way out&#8230; well, except Queenston-Lewiston, but that&#8217;s a single stop light that sometimes (aka almost never) has a border guard in a booth (who I assume is running plates?).</p>
<p>Queenston-Lewiston is a heavy commercial crossing, as is Port Huron, so maybe it has an outbound stop?</p>
<p>Or did the people in his party have to stop at Export Control or US CIS for some sort of visa issue?</p>
<p>Regardless, I sent him a small amount of cash &#8211; I&#8217;d have sent more, but I&#8217;m not working at the moment. :(</p>
<p>I hope it all works out. Sadly, knowing the US legal system (I hold status in both countries), I&#8217;m sure it won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Erskine Tuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662532</link>
		<dc:creator>Erskine Tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some may wonder about the other side of the story - fair enough. I can only say that the present version sounds very credible. Police, and even more so, quasi-police forces are full of guys whose main motivation to sign up was testosterone, whose training pumped it up by emphasizing shooting and physically fighting, and then were assigned to jobs that are (should be) essentially clerical. They end up itching for action, and for some - poof - it goes off. I base this opinion on several stories that sound not much unlike this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some may wonder about the other side of the story &#8211; fair enough. I can only say that the present version sounds very credible. Police, and even more so, quasi-police forces are full of guys whose main motivation to sign up was testosterone, whose training pumped it up by emphasizing shooting and physically fighting, and then were assigned to jobs that are (should be) essentially clerical. They end up itching for action, and for some &#8211; poof &#8211; it goes off. I base this opinion on several stories that sound not much unlike this one.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662277</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the commenters who imply that because they haven&#039;t been hassled when crossing the border, anyone who claims they&#039;ve been hassled should be disbelieved.  Right up there with explaining how because they&#039;ve never been beaten by a cop in their day-to-day lives, everyone who has been beaten must have done something to deserve it.  Stay classy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the commenters who imply that because they haven&#8217;t been hassled when crossing the border, anyone who claims they&#8217;ve been hassled should be disbelieved.  Right up there with explaining how because they&#8217;ve never been beaten by a cop in their day-to-day lives, everyone who has been beaten must have done something to deserve it.  Stay classy!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662533</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone outside the U.S., please know that even we Americans get mistreated by Homeland Security. To them, everyone is a terrorist. I hope Peter tears them a new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone outside the U.S., please know that even we Americans get mistreated by Homeland Security. To them, everyone is a terrorist. I hope Peter tears them a new one.</p>
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		<title>By: PixelFish</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-663046</link>
		<dc:creator>PixelFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another update from Peter on Squidgate, and why he can&#039;t answer all questions, and some refutations of the Port Huron article:

http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=935</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another update from Peter on Squidgate, and why he can&#8217;t answer all questions, and some refutations of the Port Huron article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=935" rel="nofollow">http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=935</a></p>
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		<title>By: lucky</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-663302</link>
		<dc:creator>lucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story terrifies me.  We crossed at Sarnia/Port Huron almost every weekend when I was growing up in the eighties.  I was never afraid to cross the border because there was no reason to be afraid - we had done nothing wrong, we were just going (usually) for Sunday brunch at &quot;The River Crab&quot;.  Last August when we crossed, we were subjected to very strange questions (where did you go to University, how long have you owned this vehicle, why don&#039;t you shop in London instead of Port Huron, etc.)as well as a search of our back seat and trunk, and a request for our car keys during the interrogation.  I almost had an anxiety attack, and I had done nothing wrong!  From stories like these, it now seems as if a simple, innocent mistake, or an irritated border guard having a bad day could result in a similar experience to Dr. Watts&#039;s very quickly.  Please keep us updated on this situation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story terrifies me.  We crossed at Sarnia/Port Huron almost every weekend when I was growing up in the eighties.  I was never afraid to cross the border because there was no reason to be afraid &#8211; we had done nothing wrong, we were just going (usually) for Sunday brunch at &#8220;The River Crab&#8221;.  Last August when we crossed, we were subjected to very strange questions (where did you go to University, how long have you owned this vehicle, why don&#8217;t you shop in London instead of Port Huron, etc.)as well as a search of our back seat and trunk, and a request for our car keys during the interrogation.  I almost had an anxiety attack, and I had done nothing wrong!  From stories like these, it now seems as if a simple, innocent mistake, or an irritated border guard having a bad day could result in a similar experience to Dr. Watts&#8217;s very quickly.  Please keep us updated on this situation!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-663048</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is he tall? Yeah, Peter Watts is a tall fellow. I had the pleasure of meeting him at a con and I was struck at his height. I&#039;d estimate he&#039;s around 6&#039;6&quot; but would not be surprised if that number were higher.

Others have commented that the Border Officers may have found his size intimidating. Perhaps that was all they needed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is he tall? Yeah, Peter Watts is a tall fellow. I had the pleasure of meeting him at a con and I was struck at his height. I&#8217;d estimate he&#8217;s around 6&#8217;6&#8243; but would not be surprised if that number were higher.</p>
<p>Others have commented that the Border Officers may have found his size intimidating. Perhaps that was all they needed. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-739849</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is much to be learned from reading people&#039;s experiences at the border, and some good advice. If anyone has an idea of how we can start to train and indoctrinate border patrol and the rest of the law enforcement officers to calm down, get some rationality and humanity, please start a movement! In the mean time, remember that most of these people are very literal-minded. Like dogs, they are sensitive to and respond to emotion, so practice extreme control over yourself. Chose you words carefully. They do NOT have a sense of humor, nor do they appreciate sarcasm. Do NOT use this language, speak in flat, plain, literal language. And this can help limit the chances you&#039;ll have problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is much to be learned from reading people&#8217;s experiences at the border, and some good advice. If anyone has an idea of how we can start to train and indoctrinate border patrol and the rest of the law enforcement officers to calm down, get some rationality and humanity, please start a movement! In the mean time, remember that most of these people are very literal-minded. Like dogs, they are sensitive to and respond to emotion, so practice extreme control over yourself. Chose you words carefully. They do NOT have a sense of humor, nor do they appreciate sarcasm. Do NOT use this language, speak in flat, plain, literal language. And this can help limit the chances you&#8217;ll have problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662282</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify: you have to go through a US border checkpoint on the way out of the country at Port Huron, before you go through the Canadian checkpoint to enter Canada. My trunk and suitcase were searched at this checkpoint on my last drive through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify: you have to go through a US border checkpoint on the way out of the country at Port Huron, before you go through the Canadian checkpoint to enter Canada. My trunk and suitcase were searched at this checkpoint on my last drive through.</p>
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		<title>By: curgoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>curgoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they search your car, they take you out of the line and off to a separate area where only other people having their cars searched go.  (I know the crossing in question).
It&#039;s like they are deliberately trying to keep people from getting video of them or something.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they search your car, they take you out of the line and off to a separate area where only other people having their cars searched go.  (I know the crossing in question).<br />
It&#8217;s like they are deliberately trying to keep people from getting video of them or something.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stimulate the american economy by charging canadians with crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stimulate the american economy by charging canadians with crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After having been harassed by Canadian border guards starting holiday to the north (them saying my license had traces of / had been in contact with drugs) and vehicles searched stem to stern re-entering my own country, knowing folks who &#039;fit the profile&#039; and always got searched coming home --  I am very sad to say I&#039;m not astonished that something like this can and does happen.  I am ashamed it occurred now, under the administration of a president I voted for. Though I&#039;ve also been astonished on the many positions this administration has determined to not change from the previous one.

As a citizen of these not-well United States, my sincere apology to Dr. Watts for this injustice and I hope someone in the current administration has enough sense to sort out the matter without additional duress to him and to address how we treat visitors on entry or exit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After having been harassed by Canadian border guards starting holiday to the north (them saying my license had traces of / had been in contact with drugs) and vehicles searched stem to stern re-entering my own country, knowing folks who &#8216;fit the profile&#8217; and always got searched coming home &#8212;  I am very sad to say I&#8217;m not astonished that something like this can and does happen.  I am ashamed it occurred now, under the administration of a president I voted for. Though I&#8217;ve also been astonished on the many positions this administration has determined to not change from the previous one.</p>
<p>As a citizen of these not-well United States, my sincere apology to Dr. Watts for this injustice and I hope someone in the current administration has enough sense to sort out the matter without additional duress to him and to address how we treat visitors on entry or exit.</p>
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		<title>By: joeposts</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeposts</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;The US-Canadian border is a surreal place&quot;

I was talking about border guards with a friend who works for Canadian Immigration. They don&#039;t oversee the border guards as of 9/11, and there&#039;s not much oversight. I do have some sympathy for both countries&#039; guards though - it must be sort of frustrating to search so many innocent people and detain anyone who asks a question, but a mile down the road someone is carrying $500,000 worth of drugs, money or guns across a border that&#039;s completely porous. So they nail journalists, scientists (like Andrew Feldmar) and writers who try to cross legitimately but ask the wrong questions. Because that&#039;s all they can do. Because only the stupidest of criminals try to cross that border via a border crossing. It&#039;s not like there&#039;s a shortage of Canadian weed or American guns on either side of the line. </description>
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<p>I was talking about border guards with a friend who works for Canadian Immigration. They don&#8217;t oversee the border guards as of 9/11, and there&#8217;s not much oversight. I do have some sympathy for both countries&#8217; guards though &#8211; it must be sort of frustrating to search so many innocent people and detain anyone who asks a question, but a mile down the road someone is carrying $500,000 worth of drugs, money or guns across a border that&#8217;s completely porous. So they nail journalists, scientists (like Andrew Feldmar) and writers who try to cross legitimately but ask the wrong questions. Because that&#8217;s all they can do. Because only the stupidest of criminals try to cross that border via a border crossing. It&#8217;s not like there&#8217;s a shortage of Canadian weed or American guns on either side of the line. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662542</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So? the US of A was founded on the premise that we as self-respecting humans didn&#039;t have to put up with abject thuggery.  If I have to pay cash for bus tickets for the rest of my life because I helped a man who&#039;d been MUGGED AND ROBBED, then so be it.

Besides, I prefer to ride rather than fly, any day.  Shoot, now I want to organize a road trip to this specific border crossing, so that a thousand bikers can flip these jokers a birdie. 

For shame, Department of Homeland Security, for shame. 

$$ tossed to the Kibble Fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So? the US of A was founded on the premise that we as self-respecting humans didn&#8217;t have to put up with abject thuggery.  If I have to pay cash for bus tickets for the rest of my life because I helped a man who&#8217;d been MUGGED AND ROBBED, then so be it.</p>
<p>Besides, I prefer to ride rather than fly, any day.  Shoot, now I want to organize a road trip to this specific border crossing, so that a thousand bikers can flip these jokers a birdie. </p>
<p>For shame, Department of Homeland Security, for shame. </p>
<p>$$ tossed to the Kibble Fund.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662798</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, you&#039;ve never been to Eastern Europe.</description>
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		<title>By: Inkstain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662543</link>
		<dc:creator>Inkstain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things I know are true:
 
1) People in authority such as the border guard&#039;s frequently abuse it with little to no provocation.
2) A person&#039;s friends and family will usually defend them to the hilt in any legal problems, regardless of the truth.

But even given No. 1, I can&#039;t think of a good reason to come onto Mr. Doctorow&#039;s blog and question his integrity, let alone create made-up versions of the events that have no basis.

If you don&#039;t want to donate, don&#039;t.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things I know are true:</p>
<p>1) People in authority such as the border guard&#8217;s frequently abuse it with little to no provocation.<br />
2) A person&#8217;s friends and family will usually defend them to the hilt in any legal problems, regardless of the truth.</p>
<p>But even given No. 1, I can&#8217;t think of a good reason to come onto Mr. Doctorow&#8217;s blog and question his integrity, let alone create made-up versions of the events that have no basis.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to donate, don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: SKR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662800</link>
		<dc:creator>SKR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sure, that&#039;s easy: arrest reports are regularly submitted as evidence in criminal trials. Hence, there&#039;s a reasonable belief that cops don&#039;t falsify said records: it&#039;s in their self-interest not to do so for legal reasons. Imagine if everything one wrote down could be submitted in a court of law: you&#039;d be pretty careful too.&lt;/i&gt;

This has to be the most naive thing I have read all week.  What they write down is submitted as evidence so they write down whatever they need to in order to &quot;prove&quot; their version of the events.  I think you need to wipe your mama&#039;s milk off your mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sure, that&#8217;s easy: arrest reports are regularly submitted as evidence in criminal trials. Hence, there&#8217;s a reasonable belief that cops don&#8217;t falsify said records: it&#8217;s in their self-interest not to do so for legal reasons. Imagine if everything one wrote down could be submitted in a court of law: you&#8217;d be pretty careful too.</i></p>
<p>This has to be the most naive thing I have read all week.  What they write down is submitted as evidence so they write down whatever they need to in order to &#8220;prove&#8221; their version of the events.  I think you need to wipe your mama&#8217;s milk off your mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: diane47</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662545</link>
		<dc:creator>diane47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment thread is disturbing to me.

Far too many of the comments fall into one of these categories:

1)  A border guard was (rude/power hungry/a dickwad) to (me/a friend of mine/this one guy I heard about) once so this story must be true!
2)  Border guards have never been rude to me personally so this story must be false!
3)  I have (met/emailed/read something written by) (Dr. Watts/Cory/some other SF writer who chimed in) and I like (this person/their writing) so the story must be true!
4)  Everyone knows the government sucks and is out to get us all!
5)  You over there who disagrees with me must be a troll!

Seriously? I thought BoingBoing readers were better at critical thinking than that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment thread is disturbing to me.</p>
<p>Far too many of the comments fall into one of these categories:</p>
<p>1)  A border guard was (rude/power hungry/a dickwad) to (me/a friend of mine/this one guy I heard about) once so this story must be true!<br />
2)  Border guards have never been rude to me personally so this story must be false!<br />
3)  I have (met/emailed/read something written by) (Dr. Watts/Cory/some other SF writer who chimed in) and I like (this person/their writing) so the story must be true!<br />
4)  Everyone knows the government sucks and is out to get us all!<br />
5)  You over there who disagrees with me must be a troll!</p>
<p>Seriously? I thought BoingBoing readers were better at critical thinking than that. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662546</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I thought BoingBoing readers were better at critical thinking than that.&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s a certain irony in that.</description>
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<p>There&#8217;s a certain irony in that.</p>
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		<title>By: Border Patrol Office Eric Cartman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-663058</link>
		<dc:creator>Border Patrol Office Eric Cartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cctv footage from the event:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150368/?searchterm=Chickenlover
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cctv footage from the event:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150368/?searchterm=Chickenlover" rel="nofollow">http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150368/?searchterm=Chickenlover</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662291</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CBC Windsor is the station for the Sarnia area of Canada, (which it where he would have crossed into). They can be contacted at this page: http://www.cbc.ca/windsor/contact/#1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CBC Windsor is the station for the Sarnia area of Canada, (which it where he would have crossed into). They can be contacted at this page: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/windsor/contact/#1" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/windsor/contact/#1</a></p>
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		<title>By: evilrooster</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-662803</link>
		<dc:creator>evilrooster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;riots are all over europe&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(looks out window)

Nope.

&lt;blockquote&gt;unless you are willing to denounce your own country in any possible occasion which is what will be expected from you in Europe. a couple of americans i know get by only by continually repeating how bad EVERYTHING in america is which i find sad since i know they do not really believe it. but they have no other choice if they want to fit in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve been an American expat in Europe for sixteen years, nearly seventeen now, and that&#039;s just not true.

What Europeans want, what &lt;em&gt;anyone&lt;/em&gt; wants, is the truth rather than propaganda.  Admit what&#039;s bad, celebrate what&#039;s good, explain what&#039;s incomprehensible.  And listen when your hosts do the same about their country.

The highest pressure to &quot;denounce your foreign ways and love everything we do here in the best country in the world&quot; comes from Americans.  Europeans, used to living cheek by jowl with foreigners, are not the snobs you think they are, as long as you don&#039;t try to feed them a bunch of BS about the infallibility of America.

Sorry, I know it&#039;s off-topic, but the rest of the world really doesn&#039;t hate the US.  This bunker mentality, where (a) Europe is consumed by anarchy and (b) everyone hates America and humiliates American expats, is only possible because so very few Americans seem to travel much, so these stories just grow in the telling.

And, unfortunately, incidents like this damage the chances that people will come to the US and see it for what it is, for good and ill, or that Americans will come in more contact with foreigners and dispel some of these myths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>riots are all over europe</p></blockquote>
<p>(looks out window)</p>
<p>Nope.</p>
<blockquote><p>unless you are willing to denounce your own country in any possible occasion which is what will be expected from you in Europe. a couple of americans i know get by only by continually repeating how bad EVERYTHING in america is which i find sad since i know they do not really believe it. but they have no other choice if they want to fit in.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been an American expat in Europe for sixteen years, nearly seventeen now, and that&#8217;s just not true.</p>
<p>What Europeans want, what <em>anyone</em> wants, is the truth rather than propaganda.  Admit what&#8217;s bad, celebrate what&#8217;s good, explain what&#8217;s incomprehensible.  And listen when your hosts do the same about their country.</p>
<p>The highest pressure to &#8220;denounce your foreign ways and love everything we do here in the best country in the world&#8221; comes from Americans.  Europeans, used to living cheek by jowl with foreigners, are not the snobs you think they are, as long as you don&#8217;t try to feed them a bunch of BS about the infallibility of America.</p>
<p>Sorry, I know it&#8217;s off-topic, but the rest of the world really doesn&#8217;t hate the US.  This bunker mentality, where (a) Europe is consumed by anarchy and (b) everyone hates America and humiliates American expats, is only possible because so very few Americans seem to travel much, so these stories just grow in the telling.</p>
<p>And, unfortunately, incidents like this damage the chances that people will come to the US and see it for what it is, for good and ill, or that Americans will come in more contact with foreigners and dispel some of these myths.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html#comment-663059</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leaving this country is a privilege? No it&#039;s not. If we don&#039;t let other citizens of other countries leave we&#039;re kidnapping them. It&#039;s a privilege to enter but leaving should always be free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaving this country is a privilege? No it&#8217;s not. If we don&#8217;t let other citizens of other countries leave we&#8217;re kidnapping them. It&#8217;s a privilege to enter but leaving should always be free.</p>
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