Approaches To A Just World Order

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27 Responses to “Approaches To A Just World Order”

  1. Jewels Vern says:

    Nobody else has been able to verify that B.O. was actually there either!

  2. CANTFIGHTTHEDITE says:

    Although a world government could be a minimalist government, I sincerely doubt that it would turn out that way.

    It’s great to have an energetic prof who really wants to make a positive impact on students’ ideals, and it helps to balance out the other ones who brow beat you by making everything seem impossibly and unnecessarily complex. The ‘o course, sir, pragmatism is always worth teaching as well.

  3. ZippySpincycle says:

    How long until Redstate or the Freepers translate this post into evidence that “ZOMG Obama is pursuing one-world socialistfascistcommunistNewWorldOrder!!1!!” ?

  4. KoshN says:

    “If America’s founding fathers should be remembered for anything, it’s founding our government on the principal that governments are run by people and people are jerks.”

    Precisely why they formed a Constitution granting the federal government few powers. They would no doubt marvel that the incremental assimilation of unauthorized power by the federal government has gone unanswered by “the people” the government was formed to serve. The only true “just” government is one that doesn’t exist and therefore can not oppress the “governed”.

  5. wmburke says:

    Hear ya go Zippy…

    http://www.wired.com/images/multimedia/magazine/1705/Wired_May_2009_Georgia_Guidestones.pdf

    I. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

    II. Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.

    III. Unite humanity with a living new language.

    IV. Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.

    V. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

    VI. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

    VII. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

    VIII. Balance personal rights with social duties.

    IX. Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.

    X. Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.

    • ninjasuperspy says:

      #1 -> Genocide.
      #2 -> Eugenics.

      I stopped paying real attention at this point. The rest is all sunshine and flowers (they do use “rule” a bit too much IMHO), but those first two are the biggest sticking points in the history of the universe. Who decides who the 500 million people who survive are? Who decides who gets to breed? Are the people who don’t get to have kids forcibly sterilized? Do you get your vas deferens back when you graduate college? Serve a tour of duty in the One World Army? I’m not sure how you guide reproduction fairly without succumbing to petty laws. How do you reform this system? What checks the power of the One World Court that rules with sovereignty over all national courts? Whose model is used for the court? American, British, Saudi, Chinese?

      That list has enough poison in it to be completely terrifying.

    • Tdawwg says:

      IX. Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.

      Now there’s a rallying cry for the illiterate starving millions of the developing world! Not.

      Reconcile yourself instead to a few frenzied centuries more of “I am the LORD: kill those mofos which oppose ye.” And after that, God willing, a long silence.

  6. SKR says:

    “It would be like the UN only better”

    Oh the irony.

  7. Anonymous says:

    I kinda wish the leaders of tomorrow spent more time taking math and science. Perhaps an Econ 101 class, but that is asking a lot…

  8. Anonymous says:

    “True Believers” of any stripe bother me. They are so focused on achieving their goal, they ignore any contradictory evidence or opinion. This was true of George Bush and it’s true of anyone who proclaims to have “the solution.”

    If America’s founding fathers should be remembered for anything, it’s founding our government on the principal that governments are run by people and people are jerks. So they attempted to channel our base instincts in a productive manner. Any system aiming for the betterment of man but based on people behaving rationally (either by internal thought processes or someones external definition of ‘rational’ forced upon them) is doomed to tyranny and failure.

    So give my a system founded on cynicism over idealism any day.

  9. Uncle Geo says:

    Mr. Spinrad, in your byline/mini CV; Catholic, as in you are interested in matters affecting the Catholic Church or catholic, as in vast and all encompassing?

  10. oohShiny says:

    wmburke… that sounds awful. Number one, the population is set unnecessarily low and would cause undue suffering as the population shrunk (just look at how well the one child policy is working out for China). Number 2 takes away reproductive freedom (which, I suppose, in the states you have little for anyway, if you’re a woman, but that’s another gripe for another time). Number 3 means we lose all the benefits of the interactions of other languages and the cultural diversity they maintain. I’m all for fixing the world, but I think a little more thought would have to go into it than this.

    I mean heck, you want the population to shrink? Educate everyone. Eventually it’ll go down, because educated people seem to breed less. Want everyone to understand one another? Educate people in each others’ languages. The secret here is education, not laws.

  11. AnthonyC says:

    If there is ever to be a unified world government (which I think is inevitable, unless we destroy ourselves, simply because without that level of cooperation we will never be able to achieve some very important goals) it will be a long time from now. It will need to happen gradually, as we settle our cultural, historical, technological, and political differences. In time, as we both become more alike and embrace our differences, the meaning of national boundaries will become less clear, more artificial. But unity can not be forced or coerced.

    The professor is right about one thing- we should aim high. Aim for democracy, aim for freedom, aim for the spread of prosperity and education, and the world can;t help but become a better place.

  12. noahpoah says:

    So what you’re saying is that this Mendlovitz fellow never read any Hayek, I guess. Among the relevant things that he said is “The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.

  13. fnc says:

    VII. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

    Governments don’t do so well on those points.

  14. wmburke says:

    Let’s get a couple things straight…

    Firstly, I do NOT endorse ANY of the “Commandments” posted. The object was to demonstrate to the prior poster “Zippy” (and anyone else interested) that there really ARE powerful people out there that presume to present their own version of how they propose to run things.

    They are quite serious about this…

    Secondly, I posted a URL to the documentation behind the “Commandments” to give proof and background about the Guide Stones that the above “Commandments” are written on.

  15. anansi133 says:

    e-reading this story with the money-laundering one fresh in mind-

    http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/13/hundreds-of-billions.html

    -I can’t help but think that the only way out of this chaos is some kind of direct democracy.

    I know, the technology for such a thing is only recently become available, and the politics of getting from here to there look pretty grim. Anything less than that, though, is an open invitation for bigger and better funded horse-thieves.

    The only other option I can think of, is to start caring less.

  16. zyodei says:

    This makes me think of the Calvin and Hobbes strip where his mother is saying “How can a kid who’s so smart be so damned stupid?”

    Here’s the reality: governments are prone to corruption. The larger the government is, the more juicy a target it creates for those who would corrupt it. The job is made much easier for those ultra rich who want to co-opt government for their own greedy ends when we concentrate a great deal of power in central hands.

    Look at the present state of America, a country specifically designed to be resistant to the concentration of power.

    Thus, any sort of global government would be a nightmare. It would go alright for a little while, till those devious bastards managed to corrupt the whole thing.

    The key to honest government is two things: 1) Small enough that people can know each other personally and discuss things in person. 2)Fragmented enough that it is possible to physically leave it if it goes sour.

    If a global government went rotten, where could you flee to? It’s really the worst idea imaginable.

    Don’t put all your eggs in one basket!

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  17. octopod says:

    just put morgan freeman in command, and second in command, etc.

  18. Anonymous says:

    if all nations were under one government, what is the proposed form of government. and what of those who do not want this form of government?

  19. MB says:

    The trick, of course, is to come away from that with more enthusiasm and hope than cynicism and despair.

  20. davidasposted says:

    At what point do you think he decided to take a different approach?

  21. Guesstimate Jones says:

    I, for one, welcome our new Enlightened Columbia University Alumni Overlords…

  22. Anonymous says:

    Not to be “Mr. Factual Buzzkill” here, but I just heard from Prof. Mendlovitz, after having sent him this blog post, thinking that he’d like to see it. He replied that “barack did not take the course, albeit our students are now rumoring it.”

    So if you hear any Freepers posting this story as “evidence that “ZOMG Obama is pursuing one-world socialistfascistcommunistNewWorldOrder!!1!!” ?” … then you’ll know that they are, as ususal, full of hoary fecal matter … at least, according to the guy who taught the class.

  23. Anonymous says:

    Boing Boing Strike Through Madness

    BBSTM

    :)

  24. hinsonian says:

    Well, I’m glad Obama took an idealist lecture class. That’s promising and clear through his rhetoric. Maybe not so clear through his business partners… Just World Orders don’t have to include global government—simply global mandates that governments, if they want to included in the new sovereignty, must enact. The first, and most powerful, decree in my plan is thus: PAY YOUR F—ING EMPLOYEES MORE. YOU DON’T NEED THAT MUCH MONEY. YOUR JOB IS NOT THAT HARD. That is all.

  25. flyoverland says:

    Some upperclassmen pals whom I sang with clued me into this class,..”

    Obviously, the class was not about grammar.

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