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	<title>Comments on: Hacking the Predator drone: Cheaper than dinner and a&#160;movie</title>
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		<title>By: Colman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667648</link>
		<dc:creator>Colman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skygrabber is for pulling content off satellite internet feeds - basically assembling frames that aren&#039;t intended for your machine. Does this suggest that the drones are using two-way satellite internet to upload the video and sending it back down to the controller? Where are the drones controlled from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skygrabber is for pulling content off satellite internet feeds &#8211; basically assembling frames that aren&#8217;t intended for your machine. Does this suggest that the drones are using two-way satellite internet to upload the video and sending it back down to the controller? Where are the drones controlled from?</p>
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		<title>By: george57l</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667906</link>
		<dc:creator>george57l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video feed is openly accessible so Gary McKinnon can access it and NOT be extradited on criminal charges for embarrassing the US military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video feed is openly accessible so Gary McKinnon can access it and NOT be extradited on criminal charges for embarrassing the US military.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew from Zhrodague</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667913</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew from Zhrodague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to that, most current autonomous military robots are thwarted by... a flashlight. Most vision is done with laser rangefinders. You can blind them pretty easily.

I would also suggest that a reasonably simple Tesla coil could knock out communications to most radio-controlled things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to that, most current autonomous military robots are thwarted by&#8230; a flashlight. Most vision is done with laser rangefinders. You can blind them pretty easily.</p>
<p>I would also suggest that a reasonably simple Tesla coil could knock out communications to most radio-controlled things.</p>
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		<title>By: MrPerfidy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667919</link>
		<dc:creator>MrPerfidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the Blackboard debacle.  

A friend of mine back in college got taken to court for hacking (ie. exposing a gaping security hole) in the campus ident card one swiped through coke machines to debit a student account.  The card ID was the student&#039;s SSN (very dumb- they&#039;ve fixed that since then).  Blackboard claimed the data transmission was encrypted- it wasn&#039;t.  His &quot;hack&quot; pretty much just involved routing the line through his laptop and listening.

Maybe the Pentagon should hire me as a consultant.  I&#039;m not too technical, but I could&#039;ve told them to encrypt the transmission :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the Blackboard debacle.  </p>
<p>A friend of mine back in college got taken to court for hacking (ie. exposing a gaping security hole) in the campus ident card one swiped through coke machines to debit a student account.  The card ID was the student&#8217;s SSN (very dumb- they&#8217;ve fixed that since then).  Blackboard claimed the data transmission was encrypted- it wasn&#8217;t.  His &#8220;hack&#8221; pretty much just involved routing the line through his laptop and listening.</p>
<p>Maybe the Pentagon should hire me as a consultant.  I&#8217;m not too technical, but I could&#8217;ve told them to encrypt the transmission :)</p>
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		<title>By: dole</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667664</link>
		<dc:creator>dole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You laugh now... wait until the second wave of X-10 ads. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You laugh now&#8230; wait until the second wave of X-10 ads. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667921</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh sky cake! why are you so delicious??</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667672</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally they&#039;re flown from bases in the US.</description>
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		<title>By: technogeek</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-668191</link>
		<dc:creator>technogeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not worried about face plants into mountains; I&#039;m worrying about &quot;return to sender&quot;.

(Never draw a gun unless you are sure you will use it. Too much risk of it being taken away and used against you.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not worried about face plants into mountains; I&#8217;m worrying about &#8220;return to sender&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Never draw a gun unless you are sure you will use it. Too much risk of it being taken away and used against you.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-668209</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>technogeek actually the quote is &quot;Never draw a gun unless you are sure you are WILLING to use it.&quot;  Because there&#039;s really nothing wrong with allowing people to surrender once you&#039;re pointing a gun at them, you shouldn&#039;t however rely on them make that decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>technogeek actually the quote is &#8220;Never draw a gun unless you are sure you are WILLING to use it.&#8221;  Because there&#8217;s really nothing wrong with allowing people to surrender once you&#8217;re pointing a gun at them, you shouldn&#8217;t however rely on them make that decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-668248</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didnt &quot;hack&quot; anything.  The are using a 25 dollar software called Sky Grabber to simply download satellite info.  Its available on the net.  You can then see UNencrypted sat image etc.  But you cant see the encrypted stuff.

You need a sat dish.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didnt &#8220;hack&#8221; anything.  The are using a 25 dollar software called Sky Grabber to simply download satellite info.  Its available on the net.  You can then see UNencrypted sat image etc.  But you cant see the encrypted stuff.</p>
<p>You need a sat dish.</p>
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		<title>By: Redratio1</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667752</link>
		<dc:creator>Redratio1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMFG please let this be a false story.  Mega-FAIL</description>
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		<title>By: Thebes</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-668268</link>
		<dc:creator>Thebes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure why there is all this talk in the comments about firewalls. As far as I can tell, and I have looked into pulling video data from satellites but have not tried it due to lack of antenna and interface for my radio, this is transmitted video. Video and images are transmitted by satellites around certain standards, and there are programs designed to receive it- often with just am approriate radio and a soundcard and software... nothing new or surprising there.

I can&#039;t believe they  made the decision to leave it open though. It would have been easy enough to encrypt the video transmission, though the signal might have decayed non-gracefully. This does not take firewalls, it takes a nice long pre-shared key that would ideally differ for each sortie. I am sure they have some kind of authentication on the control... at least I really really hope they do... I suppose both of these data streams get beamed around via a network of satellites... bet those control signals might be subject to intentional interference, something that could possibly be much easier if you saw the transmitted video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why there is all this talk in the comments about firewalls. As far as I can tell, and I have looked into pulling video data from satellites but have not tried it due to lack of antenna and interface for my radio, this is transmitted video. Video and images are transmitted by satellites around certain standards, and there are programs designed to receive it- often with just am approriate radio and a soundcard and software&#8230; nothing new or surprising there.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe they  made the decision to leave it open though. It would have been easy enough to encrypt the video transmission, though the signal might have decayed non-gracefully. This does not take firewalls, it takes a nice long pre-shared key that would ideally differ for each sortie. I am sure they have some kind of authentication on the control&#8230; at least I really really hope they do&#8230; I suppose both of these data streams get beamed around via a network of satellites&#8230; bet those control signals might be subject to intentional interference, something that could possibly be much easier if you saw the transmitted video.</p>
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		<title>By: Hagrid</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667759</link>
		<dc:creator>Hagrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Colman -- They are being controlled from Creech Air Force Base in Nevada, hence the need for satellite feeds. This information is widely known and reported in the media, as well as on Wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Colman &#8212; They are being controlled from Creech Air Force Base in Nevada, hence the need for satellite feeds. This information is widely known and reported in the media, as well as on Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Cactaur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667762</link>
		<dc:creator>Cactaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next step is to hack in the Modern Warfare 2 drone controls.</description>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-668274</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/trends?q=SkyGrabber&quot;&gt;Google Trends &quot;SkyGrabber&quot;&lt;/a&gt; (The software allegedly used to interceept the feeds) and this is what you get:

Regions
1. 	Syria	
2. 	Libya	
3. 	Algeria	
4. 	Belarus	
5. 	Iran	
6. 	Tunisia	
7. 	Russian Federation	
8. 	Cyprus	
9. 	Ukraine	
10. 	Latvia

Sketchy. It seems the largest bulk of the searches happened way back in 2006, too! I love how presumptuous the American military was about &#039;ow dem towl heads aint gonna have the smarts to intercept unencrypted data. Its like they assumed the enemy&#039;s sole response was going to be to point at the sky with amazement and gesticulate in the direction of the flying object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=SkyGrabber">Google Trends &#8220;SkyGrabber&#8221;</a> (The software allegedly used to interceept the feeds) and this is what you get:</p>
<p>Regions<br />
1. 	Syria<br />
2. 	Libya<br />
3. 	Algeria<br />
4. 	Belarus<br />
5. 	Iran<br />
6. 	Tunisia<br />
7. 	Russian Federation<br />
8. 	Cyprus<br />
9. 	Ukraine<br />
10. 	Latvia</p>
<p>Sketchy. It seems the largest bulk of the searches happened way back in 2006, too! I love how presumptuous the American military was about &#8216;ow dem towl heads aint gonna have the smarts to intercept unencrypted data. Its like they assumed the enemy&#8217;s sole response was going to be to point at the sky with amazement and gesticulate in the direction of the flying object.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-676984</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say
I&#039;m not a predator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say<br />
I&#8217;m not a predator</p>
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		<title>By: nomad13</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667520</link>
		<dc:creator>nomad13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the technical term for this is: EPIC FAIL.</description>
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		<title>By: Rihk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667525</link>
		<dc:creator>Rihk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how hard Bruce Sterling is laughing/crying at this. </description>
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		<title>By: phisrow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667527</link>
		<dc:creator>phisrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m mostly worried about this bit(from TFA):

&quot;The U.S. government has known about the flaw since the U.S. campaign in Bosnia in the 1990s, current and former officials said. But the Pentagon assumed local adversaries wouldn&#039;t know how to exploit it, the officials said.&quot;

Curing an unencrypted communications channel is relatively simple, on the large scale. A modest amount of money, and a few competent engineers will do the trick. Curing massive arrogance, though, is hard, and often &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; ugly. An &quot;eh, the locals are just ignorant sand farmers&quot; attitude is the short path to learning about every new asymmetric warfare trick the hard way, over and over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m mostly worried about this bit(from TFA):</p>
<p>&#8220;The U.S. government has known about the flaw since the U.S. campaign in Bosnia in the 1990s, current and former officials said. But the Pentagon assumed local adversaries wouldn&#8217;t know how to exploit it, the officials said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Curing an unencrypted communications channel is relatively simple, on the large scale. A modest amount of money, and a few competent engineers will do the trick. Curing massive arrogance, though, is hard, and often <i>very</i> ugly. An &#8220;eh, the locals are just ignorant sand farmers&#8221; attitude is the short path to learning about every new asymmetric warfare trick the hard way, over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: howaboutthisdangit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667783</link>
		<dc:creator>howaboutthisdangit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s the point of using proprietary technology if it can easily be hacked using available tools?  Oh, that&#039;s right - to increase the cost.

The Pentagon, providing desk jobs for people who aren&#039;t competent enough to be trusted on the battlefield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s the point of using proprietary technology if it can easily be hacked using available tools?  Oh, that&#8217;s right &#8211; to increase the cost.</p>
<p>The Pentagon, providing desk jobs for people who aren&#8217;t competent enough to be trusted on the battlefield.</p>
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		<title>By: DOuglas3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-668296</link>
		<dc:creator>DOuglas3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that when this was a technology demonstrator they were using off-the-shelf analog &quot;outside broadcast&quot; microwave links. Then the CIA wanted the capability in the Bosnian war and they were pressed into service in spite of it being a &quot;security through obscurity&quot; situation. 
Subsequent stages of development used lower bit-rate digital video transmission that lends itself to encryption (and in Ku band with compression lends itself to to satellite links), but users complained that the resolution wasn&#039;t as good as the &quot;old&quot; version. So they got the ability to switch on the analog transmitter when they wanted a &quot;detail&quot; high frame-rate uncompressed signal, or when they wanted the special ops team on the ground to see the view of the observation drone.

So as an operator you have a choice of Skype quality picture or broadcast video quality picture. Which do you watch?

Bear in mind that the drone is a giant radio-location beacon for anyone with a spectrum analyzer and directional antenna, so unless we are confusing things with lots of extra missions on random-but-plausible itineraries then the Red team can have a pretty good idea of what we are interested in anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that when this was a technology demonstrator they were using off-the-shelf analog &#8220;outside broadcast&#8221; microwave links. Then the CIA wanted the capability in the Bosnian war and they were pressed into service in spite of it being a &#8220;security through obscurity&#8221; situation.<br />
Subsequent stages of development used lower bit-rate digital video transmission that lends itself to encryption (and in Ku band with compression lends itself to to satellite links), but users complained that the resolution wasn&#8217;t as good as the &#8220;old&#8221; version. So they got the ability to switch on the analog transmitter when they wanted a &#8220;detail&#8221; high frame-rate uncompressed signal, or when they wanted the special ops team on the ground to see the view of the observation drone.</p>
<p>So as an operator you have a choice of Skype quality picture or broadcast video quality picture. Which do you watch?</p>
<p>Bear in mind that the drone is a giant radio-location beacon for anyone with a spectrum analyzer and directional antenna, so unless we are confusing things with lots of extra missions on random-but-plausible itineraries then the Red team can have a pretty good idea of what we are interested in anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mgfarrelly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667532</link>
		<dc:creator>mgfarrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhere in England, Warren Ellis is smiling. </description>
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		<title>By: jackykohl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667538</link>
		<dc:creator>jackykohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recently posted intercept of a Predator drone was posted on a terorist website that read &quot;bring home milk for the baby predators&quot;. While this is unconfirmed, I believe it shows that Predators are caring drones, and any reference to Tiger Woods is uncalled for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recently posted intercept of a Predator drone was posted on a terorist website that read &#8220;bring home milk for the baby predators&#8221;. While this is unconfirmed, I believe it shows that Predators are caring drones, and any reference to Tiger Woods is uncalled for.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-717973</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why doesnt the article say how they do it? 

skygrabber software, a laptop, and a satellite dish. thats all you need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why doesnt the article say how they do it? </p>
<p>skygrabber software, a laptop, and a satellite dish. thats all you need.</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667542</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jackykohl ,

Keep the sig-links for your profile, please.</description>
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<p>Keep the sig-links for your profile, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Powell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667549</link>
		<dc:creator>Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idiots.  If I didnt secure my applications at work I would be fired.  No one will be held accountable for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idiots.  If I didnt secure my applications at work I would be fired.  No one will be held accountable for this.</p>
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		<title>By: LILemming</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667554</link>
		<dc:creator>LILemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has nobody on the Predator team read some SF, watched Twilight Zone or even seen Terminator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has nobody on the Predator team read some SF, watched Twilight Zone or even seen Terminator?</p>
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		<title>By: DarthVain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667555</link>
		<dc:creator>DarthVain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hey I can see my house from here! Oh Wai...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey I can see my house from here! Oh Wai&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667557</link>
		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit skeptical, here.  I suspect this story was fed to short circuit a contracting process or add funding to a rehab effort.  This concerns the sort of operational security &quot;OpSec&quot; stuff that they&#039;re so often going on about being so terribly important to keep secret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit skeptical, here.  I suspect this story was fed to short circuit a contracting process or add funding to a rehab effort.  This concerns the sort of operational security &#8220;OpSec&#8221; stuff that they&#8217;re so often going on about being so terribly important to keep secret.</p>
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		<title>By: styrofoam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/hacking-the-predator.html#comment-667813</link>
		<dc:creator>styrofoam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad part is that modifying firewalls can be hard, not from a technical standpoint, but from a procedural standpoint.  Finding somebody to sponsor the change, somebody that can understand and approve it, etc-  that can be maddening.

To a technical person that understands it, sftp is a no-brainer.  Explaining this to a neophyte boss that is afraid of changng the way &quot;we&#039;ve always done it&quot; doesn&#039;t get you very far.  

Working with the application development team to use sftp rather than ftp is also another process that has it&#039;s own special circle.  They&#039;ve done things the same way for years, and finding the person that knows where the transfer portion of the code is and how to modify that, and then find somebody that can admin the box and install all the proper libraries is mind numbing.

In a world with no process and full admin rights, I&#039;d have just written a wrapper and alias that accepted ftp syntax, then buffered for username and password, and made the change transparent.  Let the users think they&#039;re using FTP, but fix my firewall and their process all at once.    Until it breaks, at which point I catch holy hell and get fired.  And one could argue that working at that position is worse than not working at all, but that&#039;s a different discussion.

[The corrollary to this is that the same management that doesn&#039;t want to move off of trusted systems reads up on HIPAA regs and comes up with some obscure corner case example and insists that the entire network be restructured to accomodate scenario X.  One that could be completley avoided if the app were just tweaked to use HTTPS rather than HTTP, but hey, let&#039;s turn it into a network problem.)

And this is just hospitals.  They&#039;ve got small-b bureauracracy, but Military?  That&#039;s Big B. Squared.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad part is that modifying firewalls can be hard, not from a technical standpoint, but from a procedural standpoint.  Finding somebody to sponsor the change, somebody that can understand and approve it, etc-  that can be maddening.</p>
<p>To a technical person that understands it, sftp is a no-brainer.  Explaining this to a neophyte boss that is afraid of changng the way &#8220;we&#8217;ve always done it&#8221; doesn&#8217;t get you very far.  </p>
<p>Working with the application development team to use sftp rather than ftp is also another process that has it&#8217;s own special circle.  They&#8217;ve done things the same way for years, and finding the person that knows where the transfer portion of the code is and how to modify that, and then find somebody that can admin the box and install all the proper libraries is mind numbing.</p>
<p>In a world with no process and full admin rights, I&#8217;d have just written a wrapper and alias that accepted ftp syntax, then buffered for username and password, and made the change transparent.  Let the users think they&#8217;re using FTP, but fix my firewall and their process all at once.    Until it breaks, at which point I catch holy hell and get fired.  And one could argue that working at that position is worse than not working at all, but that&#8217;s a different discussion.</p>
<p>[The corrollary to this is that the same management that doesn&#8217;t want to move off of trusted systems reads up on HIPAA regs and comes up with some obscure corner case example and insists that the entire network be restructured to accomodate scenario X.  One that could be completley avoided if the app were just tweaked to use HTTPS rather than HTTP, but hey, let&#8217;s turn it into a network problem.)</p>
<p>And this is just hospitals.  They&#8217;ve got small-b bureauracracy, but Military?  That&#8217;s Big B. Squared.</p>
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