Comments on: Elizabeth Pschorr: A Privileged Marriage (Boing Boing Video) http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:52:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: strangefriend http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673289 strangefriend Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673289 I think the reverse of this was the German women who had married Jews & the Rosenstrasse demonstrations http://www.aforcemorepowerful.org/book/excerpts/denmark.php The Nazis had to release their husbands. I think the reverse of this was the German women who had married Jews & the Rosenstrasse demonstrations
http://www.aforcemorepowerful.org/book/excerpts/denmark.php
The Nazis had to release their husbands.

]]> By: strangefriend http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673292 strangefriend Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673292 Happy Hanukkah, Elizabeth Pschorr. Merry Christmas, Boing Boing. Have a cool Kwanzaa & a swinging Saturnalia. Feliz Navidad & un Prospero Ano Nuevo. Happy New Year. Happy Hanukkah, Elizabeth Pschorr.
Merry Christmas, Boing Boing.
Have a cool Kwanzaa & a swinging Saturnalia.
Feliz Navidad & un Prospero Ano Nuevo.
Happy New Year.

]]> By: mgfarrelly http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673295 mgfarrelly Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673295 Thank you Mrs. Pschorr, Xeni and everyone at BBTV for this wonderful story. It put me in mind of my parents own love story. I'm going to pull out some old albums and remember their story this evening with friends. Thank you again and Merry Christmas. Thank you Mrs. Pschorr, Xeni and everyone at BBTV for this wonderful story. It put me in mind of my parents own love story. I’m going to pull out some old albums and remember their story this evening with friends.

Thank you again and Merry Christmas.

]]> By: lewis stoole http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673297 lewis stoole Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673297 that was most appreciated. thanks. that was most appreciated. thanks.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673304 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673304 My Tante Anna, who died in the eighties close to her hundredth birthday, also survived the war as the jewish spouse of ein Ärischer Mann. My Tante Anna, who died in the eighties close to her hundredth birthday, also survived the war as the jewish spouse of ein Ärischer Mann.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673314 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673314 (sniff) (sniff)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-696369 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-696369 Thank you for this touching story. Thank you for this touching story.

]]> By: Jan http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-684095 Jan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-684095 Many years ago, when the SF Press Club was still alive, Elizabeth Pschorr came to speak to us about her experience and discuss her book, A Privlieged Marriage. It was an interesting afternoon - we also met her daughter - a wonderful artist. I still have some of her cards. Since that time I have had occasion to read more holcaust novels/non-fiction and also visited Germany. The era never ceases to both terrify and facsinate me. I still don't know what I personally would have been able to sacrifice for my principles...I hope I never am tested. Good to know that E. Pschorr is doing well. Many years ago, when the SF Press Club was still alive, Elizabeth Pschorr came to speak to us about her experience and discuss her book, A Privlieged Marriage. It was an interesting afternoon – we also met her daughter – a wonderful artist. I still have some of her cards.
Since that time I have had occasion to read more holcaust novels/non-fiction and also visited Germany. The era never ceases to both terrify and facsinate me. I still don’t know what I personally would have been able to sacrifice for my principles…I hope I never am tested. Good to know that E. Pschorr is doing well.

]]> By: glory bee http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673355 glory bee Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673355 Funny, but I just watched a wonderfully complex and emotional film with Kate Winslett and Ralph Fiennes ( and I can't remember its name !!!) but it details the era after the dust eas settling and Germany was trying to come to terms with what, as a people, they had done. It is a joy to watch and for the first time I understood the confusion in the minds of young Germans whose parents and grandparents knew of Auschwitz etc. but stood by and did mothing. German guilt will never go away I fear./ I always ask myself if any other nation but Germany could and would do what was done, against any moral stance whatever. This lady was indeed privileged! Funny, but I just watched a wonderfully complex and emotional film with Kate Winslett and Ralph Fiennes ( and I can’t remember its name !!!) but it details the era after the dust eas settling and Germany was trying to come to terms with what, as a people, they had done. It is a joy to watch and for the first time I understood the confusion in the minds of young Germans whose parents and grandparents knew of Auschwitz etc. but stood by and did mothing. German guilt will never go away I fear./ I always ask myself if any other nation but Germany could and would do what was done, against any moral stance whatever. This lady was indeed privileged!

]]> By: Chuckers http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-679762 Chuckers Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-679762 When the Nazis came to power they terrorized the German people. Any political dissent meant a trip to a concentration camp (not a death camp but still prison with no trial). The Brown Shirts and later the Black Shirts (para-military Nazi Party thugs) were allowed to march in the streets. The German people were terrorized into submission by their very government which gradually began to operate outside the countries' own laws. I doubt many Americans (or Westerners) would have the courage to confront their government if the same thing were to happen today. When the Nazis came to power they terrorized the German people. Any political dissent meant a trip to a concentration camp (not a death camp but still prison with no trial). The Brown Shirts and later the Black Shirts (para-military Nazi Party thugs) were allowed to march in the streets. The German people were terrorized into submission by their very government which gradually began to operate outside the countries’ own laws. I doubt many Americans (or Westerners) would have the courage to confront their government if the same thing were to happen today.

]]> By: gwynsen http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673372 gwynsen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673372 Is Ms Pschorr a relative to the Munich based Brewery Hacker-Pschorr? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker-Pschorr_Brewery Is Ms Pschorr a relative to the Munich based Brewery Hacker-Pschorr?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker-Pschorr_Brewery

]]> By: Mitchell http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673378 Mitchell Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673378 It was "The Reader" and I found it, in the eagerness to forget what ordinary Germans had done during the war, understandably or not, obscene. It was just so rightwing: It's not what the Germans as a nation did but, in this case, what a single person. Under the circumstances, it was of course understandable she'd join the Nazis, but to kill 300-odd innocents and with *no* acknowledgement of anything morally, you questionable? Please. And of course the story is loaded by having her cop the cherry of the character who's the story's POV. Please. An ugly, obnoxious story. But right for our era where taking responsibility for anything is, you know, passe. And make that a hateful story. It was “The Reader” and I found it, in the eagerness to forget what ordinary Germans had done during the war, understandably or not, obscene. It was just so rightwing: It’s not what the Germans as a nation did but, in this case, what a single person. Under the circumstances, it was of course understandable she’d join the Nazis, but to kill 300-odd innocents and with *no* acknowledgement of anything morally, you questionable? Please. And of course the story is loaded by having her cop the cherry of the character who’s the story’s POV. Please. An ugly, obnoxious story. But right for our era where taking responsibility for anything is, you know, passe. And make that a hateful story.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673409 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673409 gwynsen - <i>On the eve of Hitler’s Third Reich, a girl from a German-Jewish family of wealth and privilege is married to the scion of a prominent “Aryan” brewing family...</i> gwynsen – On the eve of Hitler’s Third Reich, a girl from a German-Jewish family of wealth and privilege is married to the scion of a prominent “Aryan” brewing family…

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673428 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673428 Really remarkable story with a dramatic backround .The heart wants what it wants. Ms. Pschorr's face is a beautiful map of her life. Really remarkable story with a dramatic backround .The heart wants what it wants. Ms. Pschorr’s face is a beautiful map of her life.

]]> By: Irene Belknap http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673685 Irene Belknap Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673685 I am Elizabeth's daughter, Irene. There are many unanswered questions as regards her story but I can say that my father's family was one of the 7 Munich brewery families and eventually the breweries merged to become Hacker-Pschorr. My father said he didn't drink beer as he knew how it was made. I am Elizabeth’s daughter, Irene. There are many unanswered questions as regards her story but I can say that my father’s family was one of the 7 Munich brewery families and eventually the breweries merged to become Hacker-Pschorr. My father said he didn’t drink beer as he knew how it was made.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673435 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673435 Interesting, but the video leaves out things that seem really important to understanding the story. How did she and her husband survive in 1943-1945? When did they immigrate to America? It sounds like she made it through the war as the wife of a protected German industrialist (small scale), and perhaps he had his affair in that period, (did they divorce during the war or after) and perhaps she met the other man in 1945 or 1946 and somehow they both moved to America in the post 1945 period? And did his second wife come to America? And why was he working for her parents (did I get that?)? It's really hard to discern who was doing what when... and any time we consider a personal history in this time frame it is really important to know this in order to make historical sense of the story. Just a few dates and mapping onto history would be helpful. Enjoyed the story! Interesting, but the video leaves out things that seem really important to understanding the story. How did she and her husband survive in 1943-1945? When did they immigrate to America? It sounds like she made it through the war as the wife of a protected German industrialist (small scale), and perhaps he had his affair in that period, (did they divorce during the war or after) and perhaps she met the other man in 1945 or 1946 and somehow they both moved to America in the post 1945 period? And did his second wife come to America? And why was he working for her parents (did I get that?)? It’s really hard to discern who was doing what when… and any time we consider a personal history in this time frame it is really important to know this in order to make historical sense of the story. Just a few dates and mapping onto history would be helpful. Enjoyed the story!

]]> By: glory bee http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673436 glory bee Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673436 I wanted to say that that old saying 'the heart wants what it wants' to me is beautiful. And also, that yesterday I watched a film called 'The Reader' with Ralph Fiennes and Kate Winslet about the guilt that Germany even today carries because of the holocaust... but the main point the film makes is that it was quite 'ordinary' people who knew and watched it all happen. So I ask myself, would it happen anywhere else but Germany...was there something in the German love of order that contributed? I wanted to say that that old saying ‘the heart wants what it wants’ to me is beautiful. And also, that yesterday I watched a film called ‘The Reader’ with Ralph Fiennes and Kate Winslet about the guilt that Germany even today carries because of the holocaust… but the main point the film makes is that it was quite ‘ordinary’ people who knew and watched it all happen. So I ask myself, would it happen anywhere else but Germany…was there something in the German love of order that contributed?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673450 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673450 Hacker-Pschorr? Prost! Hacker-Pschorr?

Prost!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-675272 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-675272 what a great story-thak you for sharing what a great story-thak you for sharing

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673494 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673494 please amend the article to say "aryan" with quotes, as without the quotes it falls deeper into problematic usage. really it an obsolete term that belongs to 19th-century physical anthropology, or, more weakly, to different moments in political history, but has no real basis for racial usage other than to refer to ancient Iran and should not be recognized as associated with a caucasian subset even if nazism employed it in such a manner. cheers, cazabache please amend the article to say “aryan” with quotes, as without the quotes it falls deeper into problematic usage. really it an obsolete term that belongs to 19th-century physical anthropology, or, more weakly, to different moments in political history, but has no real basis for racial usage other than to refer to ancient Iran and should not be recognized as associated with a caucasian subset even if nazism employed it in such a manner.

cheers,

cazabache

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-677104 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-677104 @#5: it's "arischer Mann", not "ärischer Mann". the latter is unknown in german language. @#8: yes, she is. @#5: it’s “arischer Mann”, not “ärischer Mann”. the latter is unknown in german language.
@#8: yes, she is.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-677367 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-677367 It's good to know that love can triumph in the end. It’s good to know that love can triumph in the end.

]]> By: slideguy http://boingboing.net/2009/12/25/elizabeth-pschorr-a.html#comment-673534 slideguy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-673534 Thank you for that, Xeni. Thank you for that, Xeni.

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