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	<title>Comments on: Crash test 1959 Chevrolet Bel Air VS. 2009 Chevrolet&#160;Malibu</title>
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		<title>By: Permanent4</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687363</link>
		<dc:creator>Permanent4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, Ralph Nader&#039;s reputation may have been in tatters after the 2000 election, but this video should remind us all that he did, in fact, do something good for the American people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, Ralph Nader&#8217;s reputation may have been in tatters after the 2000 election, but this video should remind us all that he did, in fact, do something good for the American people.</p>
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		<title>By: aeroplane</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687378</link>
		<dc:creator>aeroplane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 - yes, old steel cars could probably drive away from an accident.  Too bad the original driver had to be peeled off the steering wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 &#8211; yes, old steel cars could probably drive away from an accident.  Too bad the original driver had to be peeled off the steering wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687634</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just going to jump into this thread and say

&quot;Modern Cars have better safety features? Who knew!&quot; but I can see that would have been missed on a lot of people.

Accidents might have increased due to mobile phones, but that&#039;s about the only factor that would make roads more dangerous than they used to be. Safety standards have come a long long way. Crumple zones are designed to leave your car un-drivable and you in tact. Not much point in being able to drive away if your head contains windshield, steering wheel and a lot less brain matter. Factor in seatbelts (and improvements to them), airbags, abs braking systems and traction control, etc and there are not only less accidents, but people are far more likely to walk away from them than they used to be.

On top of thing (again at least in Australia) laws concerning speeding, drinking while under the influence (both drugs and alcohol), etc are all much much stricter.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spinneypress.com.au/298%20Safe%20Driving.html&quot;&gt;best statistics I could find&lt;/a&gt; on this were from 1970 and 2006 in Australia.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The road toll in 2006 of 1,601 was less than half the 1970 figure, while the number of fatalities per 100,000 people (8.0) for 2006 was less than a third of that of 1970. Also, while there were 8.0 road fatalities per 10,000 registered vehicles in 1970, this rate has decreased to 1.1 in 2006.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just going to jump into this thread and say</p>
<p>&#8220;Modern Cars have better safety features? Who knew!&#8221; but I can see that would have been missed on a lot of people.</p>
<p>Accidents might have increased due to mobile phones, but that&#8217;s about the only factor that would make roads more dangerous than they used to be. Safety standards have come a long long way. Crumple zones are designed to leave your car un-drivable and you in tact. Not much point in being able to drive away if your head contains windshield, steering wheel and a lot less brain matter. Factor in seatbelts (and improvements to them), airbags, abs braking systems and traction control, etc and there are not only less accidents, but people are far more likely to walk away from them than they used to be.</p>
<p>On top of thing (again at least in Australia) laws concerning speeding, drinking while under the influence (both drugs and alcohol), etc are all much much stricter.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.spinneypress.com.au/298%20Safe%20Driving.html">best statistics I could find</a> on this were from 1970 and 2006 in Australia.</p>
<blockquote><p>The road toll in 2006 of 1,601 was less than half the 1970 figure, while the number of fatalities per 100,000 people (8.0) for 2006 was less than a third of that of 1970. Also, while there were 8.0 road fatalities per 10,000 registered vehicles in 1970, this rate has decreased to 1.1 in 2006.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: MCOBigBen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687379</link>
		<dc:creator>MCOBigBen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One sad bit that reduces the effectiveness of this test...

The &#039;59 Bel Air used an uncommon &quot;X&quot; frame where the main frame rails meet in the middle under the passenger compartment.  Take a look at the frame by itself:

http://image.superchevy.com/f/10374397+w750+st0/sucp_0810_09_z+custom_stainless_steel_lines+61_impala_x_frame.jpg

And then decide if you&#039;re surprised it folded in an off-center impact.

I do believe newer cars are safer in an impact, but this particular demonstration gives an easy out to eh doubters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One sad bit that reduces the effectiveness of this test&#8230;</p>
<p>The &#8217;59 Bel Air used an uncommon &#8220;X&#8221; frame where the main frame rails meet in the middle under the passenger compartment.  Take a look at the frame by itself:</p>
<p><a href="http://image.superchevy.com/f/10374397+w750+st0/sucp_0810_09_z+custom_stainless_steel_lines+61_impala_x_frame.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://image.superchevy.com/f/10374397+w750+st0/sucp_0810_09_z+custom_stainless_steel_lines+61_impala_x_frame.jpg</a></p>
<p>And then decide if you&#8217;re surprised it folded in an off-center impact.</p>
<p>I do believe newer cars are safer in an impact, but this particular demonstration gives an easy out to eh doubters.</p>
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		<title>By: Felton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687381</link>
		<dc:creator>Felton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The longer I drive, the more I think we should replace airbags with large spikes, that should slow a lot of people down.&lt;/i&gt;

Good idea.  Or all cars could be designed like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT0J0rcJTLo&quot;&gt;Ford Pinto&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The longer I drive, the more I think we should replace airbags with large spikes, that should slow a lot of people down.</i></p>
<p>Good idea.  Or all cars could be designed like the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT0J0rcJTLo">Ford Pinto</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick Poll- if you could show this video to a person in 1959 do you think their reaction would more likely be:

a) &quot;Wow, those are some impressive safety improvements that you people of the 21st century enjoy&quot; or,

b) &quot;You still use gasoline-powered automobiles to get around? What happened to hovercars?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick Poll- if you could show this video to a person in 1959 do you think their reaction would more likely be:</p>
<p>a) &#8220;Wow, those are some impressive safety improvements that you people of the 21st century enjoy&#8221; or,</p>
<p>b) &#8220;You still use gasoline-powered automobiles to get around? What happened to hovercars?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AirPillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AirPillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and a not insignificant number of 80-year old cars, for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and a not insignificant number of 80-year old cars, for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Felton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687388</link>
		<dc:creator>Felton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely &quot;b.&quot;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely &#8220;b.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: inthecrumplezone</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-688412</link>
		<dc:creator>inthecrumplezone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, you can probably drive an old steel car to the shop after most low speed accidents....after you get the steering wheel removed from your torso.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, you can probably drive an old steel car to the shop after most low speed accidents&#8230;.after you get the steering wheel removed from your torso.</p>
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		<title>By: A Nonny Moose</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687395</link>
		<dc:creator>A Nonny Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not at all by chance that Chevrolet products were chosen for this test, the X-Frame was notoriously unsafe in its day and was completely phased out by 1964.  Had this been an &#039;09 Taurus versus a &#039;59 Galaxie, I can promise that the results would not have anywhere near as much shock value.  Chalk this up to grandstanding on the part of the IIHS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not at all by chance that Chevrolet products were chosen for this test, the X-Frame was notoriously unsafe in its day and was completely phased out by 1964.  Had this been an &#8217;09 Taurus versus a &#8217;59 Galaxie, I can promise that the results would not have anywhere near as much shock value.  Chalk this up to grandstanding on the part of the IIHS.</p>
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		<title>By: cymk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687402</link>
		<dc:creator>cymk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brainspore, @ Felton,

They would also wonder where our moon bases are and why we aren&#039;t traveling to other solar systems on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brainspore, @ Felton,</p>
<p>They would also wonder where our moon bases are and why we aren&#8217;t traveling to other solar systems on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: mr_josh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687406</link>
		<dc:creator>mr_josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_OM_ That might be great that they were rigid, the problem is exactly that in many instances.  It doesn&#039;t matter how well you&#039;re strapped in and how many air bags you have, the force from that sudden stop will kill you right-quick.  And since most cars of the late-&#039;50s have a lap belt at best, as &lt;i&gt;aeroplane&lt;/i&gt; said in #17, you&#039;re going to be impaled on anything in front of you assuming you&#039;re not thrown through the windshield.

New cars get messed up in a frontal collision.  They&#039;re supposed to.  It takes a lot of people (even after all of these years) a while to come around to the idea that the front end flattening back to the firewall is &lt;b&gt;okay&lt;/b&gt; as long as there&#039;s not intrusion in to  or buckling of the passenger compartment.

When you look at crash test footage of a really poorly-performing modern car, you see that the front end starts to flatten, but then you see that energy transferred to the door sills and A-pillars, and roof, whereupon they crease and compress the passenger compartment.  Front wheel intrusion is also a big problem, because it&#039;s hard to build a crumple zone (I like the crumble zone thing, actually) in to a wheel.  There are some really horrific crash test videos on YouTube showing Chinese-market cars and SUVs that just turn in to an unrecognizable blob of sheet metal, even when hit at relatively low speeds.  Actually, watch the Ford Escape vs. the Chinese 4wd.

Escape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZtajbutAjI

Chinese 4wd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZWy_fASSiQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>_OM_ That might be great that they were rigid, the problem is exactly that in many instances.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how well you&#8217;re strapped in and how many air bags you have, the force from that sudden stop will kill you right-quick.  And since most cars of the late-&#8217;50s have a lap belt at best, as <i>aeroplane</i> said in #17, you&#8217;re going to be impaled on anything in front of you assuming you&#8217;re not thrown through the windshield.</p>
<p>New cars get messed up in a frontal collision.  They&#8217;re supposed to.  It takes a lot of people (even after all of these years) a while to come around to the idea that the front end flattening back to the firewall is <b>okay</b> as long as there&#8217;s not intrusion in to  or buckling of the passenger compartment.</p>
<p>When you look at crash test footage of a really poorly-performing modern car, you see that the front end starts to flatten, but then you see that energy transferred to the door sills and A-pillars, and roof, whereupon they crease and compress the passenger compartment.  Front wheel intrusion is also a big problem, because it&#8217;s hard to build a crumple zone (I like the crumble zone thing, actually) in to a wheel.  There are some really horrific crash test videos on YouTube showing Chinese-market cars and SUVs that just turn in to an unrecognizable blob of sheet metal, even when hit at relatively low speeds.  Actually, watch the Ford Escape vs. the Chinese 4wd.</p>
<p>Escape:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZtajbutAjI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZtajbutAjI</a></p>
<p>Chinese 4wd:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZWy_fASSiQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZWy_fASSiQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, but what about a 57 Plymouth Fury? crashes don&#039;t bother them at all, according to Stephen King. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, but what about a 57 Plymouth Fury? crashes don&#8217;t bother them at all, according to Stephen King. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: mr_josh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687416</link>
		<dc:creator>mr_josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And while we&#039;re at it, the &quot;Brilliance&quot; :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmpDM8wVrUQ&amp;NR=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while we&#8217;re at it, the &#8220;Brilliance&#8221; :(</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmpDM8wVrUQ&#038;NR=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmpDM8wVrUQ&#038;NR=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687677</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Palm Springs. We have 80 year-old cars still driven by their first owners. Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Palm Springs. We have 80 year-old cars still driven by their first owners. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Felton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was about to say something about transporters, but Star Trek hadn&#039;t yet come out in 1959, and &lt;i&gt;The Fly&lt;/i&gt; didn&#039;t exactly make matter transference look like a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was about to say something about transporters, but Star Trek hadn&#8217;t yet come out in 1959, and <i>The Fly</i> didn&#8217;t exactly make matter transference look like a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Felton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-687434</link>
		<dc:creator>Felton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon@26:  Hahaha!  Those cars are bad for your back, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon@26:  Hahaha!  Those cars are bad for your back, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Maneki Nico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maneki Nico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be honest: How many of you who are not gearheads or automotive engineers were hoping this would turn out in favour of the Bel Air? I know I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be honest: How many of you who are not gearheads or automotive engineers were hoping this would turn out in favour of the Bel Air? I know I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but you have got to see the VW Bus crash test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpU5azjCB8&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but you have got to see the VW Bus crash test:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpU5azjCB8&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpU5azjCB8&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: mellowknees</title>
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		<dc:creator>mellowknees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things:

1) What the hell are they doing smashing a gorgeous antique like that to bits for crying out loud, and

2) METAL FATIGUE.  Not only was the 1959 Bel Aire not designed to be safe like cars are today, but it&#039;s probably not as durable as it was when it was manufactured over 50 years ago.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things:</p>
<p>1) What the hell are they doing smashing a gorgeous antique like that to bits for crying out loud, and</p>
<p>2) METAL FATIGUE.  Not only was the 1959 Bel Aire not designed to be safe like cars are today, but it&#8217;s probably not as durable as it was when it was manufactured over 50 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 1978 Valiant would drive thorough both of them and still be able to take out a school bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 1978 Valiant would drive thorough both of them and still be able to take out a school bus.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all the people asking &quot;why crash test a 50 year old car?&quot;:

This test was conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. Those are the people who rate how dangerous the cars we drive are so that insurers can bill us accordingly. How much should they charge for full medical coverage if you&#039;re driving a &#039;59 Bel Air? More than if you drive a 2009 Malibu, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the people asking &#8220;why crash test a 50 year old car?&#8221;:</p>
<p>This test was conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. Those are the people who rate how dangerous the cars we drive are so that insurers can bill us accordingly. How much should they charge for full medical coverage if you&#8217;re driving a &#8217;59 Bel Air? More than if you drive a 2009 Malibu, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Modern physics&quot;

How have the laws of physics changed? Point here is, had they done this with another car of similar weight, size, and a less unusual frame, the modern car would have lost, i dont care how good the crumple zones are, the little 2009 malibu would shoot backwards and the driver would have a snapped kneck.</description>
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<p>How have the laws of physics changed? Point here is, had they done this with another car of similar weight, size, and a less unusual frame, the modern car would have lost, i dont care how good the crumple zones are, the little 2009 malibu would shoot backwards and the driver would have a snapped kneck.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Trent This test was quite unfair in that the 59 used the x-frame, which had no side rails, despite beefed up rocker panels (below doors). Not only did this severly weaken the side of the car but compromised the structural integrity of the body as a whole. They used this frame from 1958-64, when it was replaced by the far stronger ladder frame. My 65 Impala would produce far different results.      </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Trent This test was quite unfair in that the 59 used the x-frame, which had no side rails, despite beefed up rocker panels (below doors). Not only did this severly weaken the side of the car but compromised the structural integrity of the body as a whole. They used this frame from 1958-64, when it was replaced by the far stronger ladder frame. My 65 Impala would produce far different results.      </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-690790</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing how someone can say:

&quot;The Insurance Institute chose a &quot;corner-to-corner&quot; 25-30 mph accident to make the 1959 look bad (it has no collapsable steering wheel and was designed to resist a head on collision, not a corner impact).&quot;

And say it as if it was a fact, when they have NO CLUE about what they are saying. Just a few minutes of research would show you that the IIHS ALWAYS does a 40 mph (not 25 to 30)offset test these days, because in the real world, there is ALMOST NEVER SUCH THING AS A &#039;TRUE HEAD ON CRASH&#039;. Most head on crashes are similar to that test. The odds of 2 cars actually crashing perfectly head-on is astronomical. You would have to do it on purpose in order for that to happen. And another post above was right - most pre-1990s cars would fail as well, to a varying degree. It&#039;s in the last 5 to 10 years that the greatest advances were made. The 1959 was not &#039;designed&#039; to resist anything - it was designed to look a certain way, and to be able to be assembled easily at the factory. Crash protection was not though about in 1959, except by Mercedes and Volvo, and even they would not do well against their modern equivalents. And this test is important - those people who are driving a car that old to a car show or cruise night, as is done all over the US all summer long, need to be very careful. If they do get into an accident, it will most likely be with an ordinary, average newer car like that malibu, not something from way back when. Or worse, with a modern SUV or pickup truck, most of which are heavier than most old cars. And those in the newer cars will walk away, and those driving their antiques will likely be dead. And don&#039;t even start with the badly located fuel tanks. Held under the trunk where the crumple zone should be by 2 thin sheet metal straps, and a fuel filler neck behind the license plate. All ready to catch fire in a rear end collision.</description>
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<p>&#8220;The Insurance Institute chose a &#8220;corner-to-corner&#8221; 25-30 mph accident to make the 1959 look bad (it has no collapsable steering wheel and was designed to resist a head on collision, not a corner impact).&#8221;</p>
<p>And say it as if it was a fact, when they have NO CLUE about what they are saying. Just a few minutes of research would show you that the IIHS ALWAYS does a 40 mph (not 25 to 30)offset test these days, because in the real world, there is ALMOST NEVER SUCH THING AS A &#8216;TRUE HEAD ON CRASH&#8217;. Most head on crashes are similar to that test. The odds of 2 cars actually crashing perfectly head-on is astronomical. You would have to do it on purpose in order for that to happen. And another post above was right &#8211; most pre-1990s cars would fail as well, to a varying degree. It&#8217;s in the last 5 to 10 years that the greatest advances were made. The 1959 was not &#8216;designed&#8217; to resist anything &#8211; it was designed to look a certain way, and to be able to be assembled easily at the factory. Crash protection was not though about in 1959, except by Mercedes and Volvo, and even they would not do well against their modern equivalents. And this test is important &#8211; those people who are driving a car that old to a car show or cruise night, as is done all over the US all summer long, need to be very careful. If they do get into an accident, it will most likely be with an ordinary, average newer car like that malibu, not something from way back when. Or worse, with a modern SUV or pickup truck, most of which are heavier than most old cars. And those in the newer cars will walk away, and those driving their antiques will likely be dead. And don&#8217;t even start with the badly located fuel tanks. Held under the trunk where the crumple zone should be by 2 thin sheet metal straps, and a fuel filler neck behind the license plate. All ready to catch fire in a rear end collision.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of what Jay Leno said about his &#039;56 Buick, &quot;If you crashed it, they could wipe you off the dashboard and sell it to the next sucker!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of what Jay Leno said about his &#8217;56 Buick, &#8220;If you crashed it, they could wipe you off the dashboard and sell it to the next sucker!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-718446</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Trent While new vehicles incorporate airbags and so called &quot;crumple zones&quot;, these 2 items are severly compromised by the drastically downsized front/rear ends of most modern vehicles. Published data has for years proven larger vehicles save lives 2:1 over smaller cars. While shorter, sloped front ends cut nicely through the airstream, and produce good gas mileage, they are no match for the xtra cubic feet of sheetmetal in an old or recent car, kinetic energy or not. Cars produced over the past 40+ years have employed impact absorbing technology along with airbags etc. since the 59 was produced. One must not group every old car in the same category as the one in this test. As I stated in my previous comment, the x-frame had much to do with the outcome of the test. Regardless how many safety features your car may or may not have, old or new, wear your belt and stay off the phone and you&#039;ll have a better chance of seeing gray hair and old age.      </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Trent While new vehicles incorporate airbags and so called &#8220;crumple zones&#8221;, these 2 items are severly compromised by the drastically downsized front/rear ends of most modern vehicles. Published data has for years proven larger vehicles save lives 2:1 over smaller cars. While shorter, sloped front ends cut nicely through the airstream, and produce good gas mileage, they are no match for the xtra cubic feet of sheetmetal in an old or recent car, kinetic energy or not. Cars produced over the past 40+ years have employed impact absorbing technology along with airbags etc. since the 59 was produced. One must not group every old car in the same category as the one in this test. As I stated in my previous comment, the x-frame had much to do with the outcome of the test. Regardless how many safety features your car may or may not have, old or new, wear your belt and stay off the phone and you&#8217;ll have a better chance of seeing gray hair and old age.      </p>
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		<title>By: Bo71</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/crash-test-1959-chev.html#comment-854639</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Totally rigged. I drive a 1967 GTO. I chip cars like this Malibu out of my fenderwells. Don&#039;t ever give up common sense (and physics) for government propaganda.&quot; 

I love this statement because it shows how truly how ignorant some educated people can be when they have no basis for what they are saying other than &quot;because I said so&quot;. That worked when I was 12 not now. Not when I can look at prior comments with links that show for one thing your version of physics is about as outdated as the car you drive. Bigger and more rigid does not always mean safer. Sure your car might come out looking better but again, where does the kinetic energy go. AND please look up the modern information on the physics of kinetic energy before you go spouting off that it is government propaganda. It does not just go away it runs right into the passenger compartment. So no matter how your car turns out looking on the outside, in a loss like this you will still likely be breathing or eating steering wheel and dash panel. 

&quot;Look at the giant rust cloud coming out from under the &#039;59 as they collide. I have a feeling things would be different if you took a brand new &#039;59 off the line and did this test with the Malibu.&quot;

Nope. No matter how clean it is it still can&#039;t escape modern physics. 

&quot;Dave Trent This test was quite unfair in that the 59 used the x-frame, which had no side rails, despite beefed up rocker panels (below doors).&quot;

I keep hearing this but no one is bringing up the fact that the Malibu has a uni-body frame The only rails it has are in the front and rear and they meld into the body. With a &quot;beefed up&quot; rocker panel and pillars that adsorb that kinetic energy and reroute it around the passenger compartment. So essentially the frame is just as weak as the X but it uses that weakness to its advantage to save the squishy human inside. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Totally rigged. I drive a 1967 GTO. I chip cars like this Malibu out of my fenderwells. Don&#8217;t ever give up common sense (and physics) for government propaganda.&#8221; </p>
<p>I love this statement because it shows how truly how ignorant some educated people can be when they have no basis for what they are saying other than &#8220;because I said so&#8221;. That worked when I was 12 not now. Not when I can look at prior comments with links that show for one thing your version of physics is about as outdated as the car you drive. Bigger and more rigid does not always mean safer. Sure your car might come out looking better but again, where does the kinetic energy go. AND please look up the modern information on the physics of kinetic energy before you go spouting off that it is government propaganda. It does not just go away it runs right into the passenger compartment. So no matter how your car turns out looking on the outside, in a loss like this you will still likely be breathing or eating steering wheel and dash panel. </p>
<p>&#8220;Look at the giant rust cloud coming out from under the &#8217;59 as they collide. I have a feeling things would be different if you took a brand new &#8217;59 off the line and did this test with the Malibu.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope. No matter how clean it is it still can&#8217;t escape modern physics. </p>
<p>&#8220;Dave Trent This test was quite unfair in that the 59 used the x-frame, which had no side rails, despite beefed up rocker panels (below doors).&#8221;</p>
<p>I keep hearing this but no one is bringing up the fact that the Malibu has a uni-body frame The only rails it has are in the front and rear and they meld into the body. With a &#8220;beefed up&#8221; rocker panel and pillars that adsorb that kinetic energy and reroute it around the passenger compartment. So essentially the frame is just as weak as the X but it uses that weakness to its advantage to save the squishy human inside. </p>
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		<description>This video isn&#039;t meant to bring value to either vehicle. It simply shows how far we have come in making the cabin safer for passengers!  It&#039;s no form of propaganda.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally rigged. I drive a 1967 GTO.  I chip cars like this Malibu out of my fenderwells.  Don&#039;t ever give up common sense (and physics) for government propaganda.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally rigged. I drive a 1967 GTO.  I chip cars like this Malibu out of my fenderwells.  Don&#8217;t ever give up common sense (and physics) for government propaganda.  </p>
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