<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Secret copyright treaty debated in DC: must-see&#160;video</title>
	<atom:link href="http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html</link>
	<description>Brain candy for Happy Mutants</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 07:05:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tynam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687872</link>
		<dc:creator>Tynam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687872</guid>
		<description>What oasisob1 said.  Your mail &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; carry weight; the volume of mail is precisely how politicians decide what the public actually cares about.

Write in on this.  Be firm, and demand that your copyright law is made by your representatives, not your lobbyists.

(Currently writing to my MP on much the same lines.  But that doesn&#039;t help in the US; you Americans are going to have to do that part.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What oasisob1 said.  Your mail <i>does</i> carry weight; the volume of mail is precisely how politicians decide what the public actually cares about.</p>
<p>Write in on this.  Be firm, and demand that your copyright law is made by your representatives, not your lobbyists.</p>
<p>(Currently writing to my MP on much the same lines.  But that doesn&#8217;t help in the US; you Americans are going to have to do that part.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688900</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688900</guid>
		<description>Is it possible that the recording technology used for this forum filled up a storage card at that point and the person operating the camera had to insert a new storage card?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible that the recording technology used for this forum filled up a storage card at that point and the person operating the camera had to insert a new storage card?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bloo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687884</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687884</guid>
		<description>Whenever I see these draconian copyright laws, and that many of our so-called representatives are working for the copyright owners I am reminded of a classic SF story &lt;a href=&quot;htt://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weapon_Shop&gt;&quot;The Weapons Shop&quot;&lt;/a&gt; by A. E. Van Vogt. 

I hope I&#039;m not misinterpreting the story, but what I took away from it was that you can&#039;t go and fight &quot;the empire&quot; on these lawss, you just have to ignore them, and if enough people ignore them, they&#039;re more-or-less moot.

In the copyright case, that is already happening a lot, I think; the big question remaining is whether content creators can make a living that supports themselves or their families in the new world we live in.  I think there are several instances where this has been proven to be true, but I don&#039;t know if we know whether it&#039;s true in general yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I see these draconian copyright laws, and that many of our so-called representatives are working for the copyright owners I am reminded of a classic SF story <a href="htt://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weapon_Shop>&#8220;The Weapons Shop&#8221;</a> by A. E. Van Vogt. </p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m not misinterpreting the story, but what I took away from it was that you can&#8217;t go and fight &#8220;the empire&#8221; on these lawss, you just have to ignore them, and if enough people ignore them, they&#8217;re more-or-less moot.</p>
<p>In the copyright case, that is already happening a lot, I think; the big question remaining is whether content creators can make a living that supports themselves or their families in the new world we live in.  I think there are several instances where this has been proven to be true, but I don&#8217;t know if we know whether it&#8217;s true in general yet.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688142</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688142</guid>
		<description>Ian,

I happened to be just a few seconds from 1:04:34 when I read your comment. I&#039;d love to know what was said there, it sounded like an interesting point (Goods in Transit). Perhaps it was something that violated the NDAs, that specifically didn&#039;t appear in the &lt;i&gt;European memo&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>I happened to be just a few seconds from 1:04:34 when I read your comment. I&#8217;d love to know what was said there, it sounded like an interesting point (Goods in Transit). Perhaps it was something that violated the NDAs, that specifically didn&#8217;t appear in the <i>European memo</i>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MadRat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688664</link>
		<dc:creator>MadRat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688664</guid>
		<description>I keep hearing about ACTA and think to myself, &quot;What can I possibly do to stop this?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing about ACTA and think to myself, &#8220;What can I possibly do to stop this?&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: eeeeaiai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687902</link>
		<dc:creator>eeeeaiai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687902</guid>
		<description>I will watch the video, but as I have said before in this forum and others, I support copyright laws that protect artists.  A fair system of copyright protects content creators and allows them to be fairly compensated for their hard work.  In the link below, you can read my argument with someone on reddit who believes wholeheartedly in free content, anyone should be able to download anything anytime, etc, and after a long debate about it he admits that this is due to the fact that &quot;it&#039;s not illegal in my country, so it&#039;s not wrong.&quot;

http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/acdcy/dave_grohl_i_dont_have_a_problem_with_people/c0h03m4
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will watch the video, but as I have said before in this forum and others, I support copyright laws that protect artists.  A fair system of copyright protects content creators and allows them to be fairly compensated for their hard work.  In the link below, you can read my argument with someone on reddit who believes wholeheartedly in free content, anyone should be able to download anything anytime, etc, and after a long debate about it he admits that this is due to the fact that &#8220;it&#8217;s not illegal in my country, so it&#8217;s not wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/acdcy/dave_grohl_i_dont_have_a_problem_with_people/c0h03m4" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/acdcy/dave_grohl_i_dont_have_a_problem_with_people/c0h03m4</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-691507</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-691507</guid>
		<description>This Google sponsored video gives the impression that Google wants and expects transparancy with the ACTA negotiations. This is funny because Google itself is one of the most secretive oraganisations in the USA. Maybe the argument would be a little stronger if Google themselves were open and transparent in the way they do business !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Google sponsored video gives the impression that Google wants and expects transparancy with the ACTA negotiations. This is funny because Google itself is one of the most secretive oraganisations in the USA. Maybe the argument would be a little stronger if Google themselves were open and transparent in the way they do business !!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688188</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688188</guid>
		<description>Intolerable Acts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intolerable Acts</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nonentity</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687938</link>
		<dc:creator>Nonentity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687938</guid>
		<description>A &quot;fair system of copyright&quot; shouldn&#039;t completely ruin the life of someone who shares two dozen songs with no profit motive.  Do we really need *worse* punishments than under our current system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;fair system of copyright&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t completely ruin the life of someone who shares two dozen songs with no profit motive.  Do we really need *worse* punishments than under our current system?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Manax</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687945</link>
		<dc:creator>Manax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687945</guid>
		<description>But that&#039;s hardly what this is about.  This is not about &quot;no copyright&quot; vs. &quot;reasonable copyright&quot;.  This is about possibly radically changing the balance between copyright stakeholders.  Creators (and this isn&#039;t just about music, the issue is FAR greater than that) take advantage of that balance all the time, through resampling, re-interpretations, adaptations, etc.  Much of Disney&#039;s works are based on old stories, out of copyright, that they reinterpreted.

And to be clear, copyright isn&#039;t just for the creators, it&#039;s to strike a balance between giving the creators and incentive and making works available for the public to use.  More recently I suspect it&#039;s also about giving the public the ability to find more innovated uses of copy-written material that wasn&#039;t anticipated even a few years ago. (Which potentially leads to both more creators and more availability.)
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s hardly what this is about.  This is not about &#8220;no copyright&#8221; vs. &#8220;reasonable copyright&#8221;.  This is about possibly radically changing the balance between copyright stakeholders.  Creators (and this isn&#8217;t just about music, the issue is FAR greater than that) take advantage of that balance all the time, through resampling, re-interpretations, adaptations, etc.  Much of Disney&#8217;s works are based on old stories, out of copyright, that they reinterpreted.</p>
<p>And to be clear, copyright isn&#8217;t just for the creators, it&#8217;s to strike a balance between giving the creators and incentive and making works available for the public to use.  More recently I suspect it&#8217;s also about giving the public the ability to find more innovated uses of copy-written material that wasn&#8217;t anticipated even a few years ago. (Which potentially leads to both more creators and more availability.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687966</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687966</guid>
		<description>Regarding the excellent advice others have given on writing representatives:

Senators and representatives get LOTS of mail, but a depressingly small proportion of that is articulate and to-the-point. If you are both, and can distinguish yourself from the mass of half-baked angry rants and auto-generated astroturf, your issue CAN get onto the member&#039;s radar.

Note, though, that paper mail while carrying some weight (obviously, it takes more time and therefore, there&#039;s less of it than email), it takes an extraordinarily long time to get to a member&#039;s attention, because post-anthrax, the letters have to get irradiated first. So a concise, well-directed phone call can work, too. Keep in mind that if you are cold-calling, you will likely be talking to an intern or lower-level staffer. That is not a defeat. They will record the overall gist of your message and pass it on. Keep in mind, you&#039;re not going to get to debate your points to win someone over, you&#039;re basically &quot;voting&quot; in an unscientific poll. State your position, one or two good supporting arguments for it, and be clear and polite. These poor folks have to deal with a lot of yelling from crazies.

Faxes and email are also good, and always faster than mail.

There are two ways to figure our who to target with your message: leadership and your representative.

Again, if you&#039;re cold-calling, or if you&#039;re contacting them because you have strong feelings on an issue (but aren&#039;t necessarily directly tied to that issue somehow), your own senators and representative are the best bet. Non-constituents don&#039;t matter so much--after all, their job is to represent their state/district, so a PA senator is going to weigh the opinion of a Pittsburgher more than that of a New Yorker.

Otherwise, if it&#039;s a specific issue you&#039;re interested in, figure out which committees have jurisdiction over the issue (copyright is Judiciary in both House and Senate, trade (since ACTA is being framed as a trade agreement) is in the Subcommittee on Trade within Ways and Means in the House, and in the Subcommittee on International Trade in the Finance Committee in the Senate). If your Senator or Representative is on those subcommittees or committees, you&#039;ve got extra firepower. If not, you might take a stab at contacting the committee or subcommittee leadership--the Chair and Ranking [minority party] Members of the committee.

Ah crap, hope this was interesting/useful enough to justify its length.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the excellent advice others have given on writing representatives:</p>
<p>Senators and representatives get LOTS of mail, but a depressingly small proportion of that is articulate and to-the-point. If you are both, and can distinguish yourself from the mass of half-baked angry rants and auto-generated astroturf, your issue CAN get onto the member&#8217;s radar.</p>
<p>Note, though, that paper mail while carrying some weight (obviously, it takes more time and therefore, there&#8217;s less of it than email), it takes an extraordinarily long time to get to a member&#8217;s attention, because post-anthrax, the letters have to get irradiated first. So a concise, well-directed phone call can work, too. Keep in mind that if you are cold-calling, you will likely be talking to an intern or lower-level staffer. That is not a defeat. They will record the overall gist of your message and pass it on. Keep in mind, you&#8217;re not going to get to debate your points to win someone over, you&#8217;re basically &#8220;voting&#8221; in an unscientific poll. State your position, one or two good supporting arguments for it, and be clear and polite. These poor folks have to deal with a lot of yelling from crazies.</p>
<p>Faxes and email are also good, and always faster than mail.</p>
<p>There are two ways to figure our who to target with your message: leadership and your representative.</p>
<p>Again, if you&#8217;re cold-calling, or if you&#8217;re contacting them because you have strong feelings on an issue (but aren&#8217;t necessarily directly tied to that issue somehow), your own senators and representative are the best bet. Non-constituents don&#8217;t matter so much&#8211;after all, their job is to represent their state/district, so a PA senator is going to weigh the opinion of a Pittsburgher more than that of a New Yorker.</p>
<p>Otherwise, if it&#8217;s a specific issue you&#8217;re interested in, figure out which committees have jurisdiction over the issue (copyright is Judiciary in both House and Senate, trade (since ACTA is being framed as a trade agreement) is in the Subcommittee on Trade within Ways and Means in the House, and in the Subcommittee on International Trade in the Finance Committee in the Senate). If your Senator or Representative is on those subcommittees or committees, you&#8217;ve got extra firepower. If not, you might take a stab at contacting the committee or subcommittee leadership&#8211;the Chair and Ranking [minority party] Members of the committee.</p>
<p>Ah crap, hope this was interesting/useful enough to justify its length.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687967</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687967</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s also worth noting that this is also not just about copyright, it&#039;s about trademark, and possibly even patents, depending upon how negotiations go. We don&#039;t know how far-reaching the provisions are (despite some interesting leaks our of the EU) simply because the whole damn thing is secret. The treaty could be far worse for independent artists than the status quo, and no one would be able to tell you that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that this is also not just about copyright, it&#8217;s about trademark, and possibly even patents, depending upon how negotiations go. We don&#8217;t know how far-reaching the provisions are (despite some interesting leaks our of the EU) simply because the whole damn thing is secret. The treaty could be far worse for independent artists than the status quo, and no one would be able to tell you that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: cameronh1403</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688223</link>
		<dc:creator>cameronh1403</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688223</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s going to get to the point where I could kill someone and get off with a 1 year sentence and a minor fine, but if I downloaded a song without paying for it, I would be put to death because the poor media companies are losing money.

If any of the money went to the people who actually create the songs, then I MIGHT be a little more supportive of efforts to stop piracy.  But it seems like most of the money goes to the parasites that feed off of the artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s going to get to the point where I could kill someone and get off with a 1 year sentence and a minor fine, but if I downloaded a song without paying for it, I would be put to death because the poor media companies are losing money.</p>
<p>If any of the money went to the people who actually create the songs, then I MIGHT be a little more supportive of efforts to stop piracy.  But it seems like most of the money goes to the parasites that feed off of the artists.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hxa7241</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687973</link>
		<dc:creator>hxa7241</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687973</guid>
		<description>If they put this amount of effort into making the right laws they could solve the problem for everyone. And the odd thing is, they are, against their intention, stumbling in partly the right direction anyway.

1. ISPs add a small levy to all subscriptions
2. copyright is abolished on the internet -- everything is freely usable
3. usage and preference of internet content is surveyed with various statistical measures
4. producers compete for popularity
5. the ISP subscription levy is distributed to producers according to the measures

That basic system works for televised football for the UK Premier League. With appropriate dedication it can work for the internet. It is not like flying to Mars, it is eminently doable.

Copyright is merely one possible economic system. When circumstances render it impractical or troublesome, the intelligent thing to do is replace it with something better.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they put this amount of effort into making the right laws they could solve the problem for everyone. And the odd thing is, they are, against their intention, stumbling in partly the right direction anyway.</p>
<p>1. ISPs add a small levy to all subscriptions<br />
2. copyright is abolished on the internet &#8212; everything is freely usable<br />
3. usage and preference of internet content is surveyed with various statistical measures<br />
4. producers compete for popularity<br />
5. the ISP subscription levy is distributed to producers according to the measures</p>
<p>That basic system works for televised football for the UK Premier League. With appropriate dedication it can work for the internet. It is not like flying to Mars, it is eminently doable.</p>
<p>Copyright is merely one possible economic system. When circumstances render it impractical or troublesome, the intelligent thing to do is replace it with something better.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: LX</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-689514</link>
		<dc:creator>LX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-689514</guid>
		<description>One of the main arguments of the RIAA goons: &quot;we are big, employ a lot of people we get economic growth, so you have to grant us that, because this piracy is really bad for us and so it is bad for you, too.&quot;

Neither being big, employing people nor getting vast economic growth is a valid reason to legitimate such drastic measures. We see the results of AIG and Goldman-Sachs, who were big and great employers, too - they only cost the taxpayers a lot of bucks. Moreso, if really everyone violates copyright, it may be not a real right in the first place, but rather a wrong.

Greetings, LX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main arguments of the RIAA goons: &#8220;we are big, employ a lot of people we get economic growth, so you have to grant us that, because this piracy is really bad for us and so it is bad for you, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>Neither being big, employing people nor getting vast economic growth is a valid reason to legitimate such drastic measures. We see the results of AIG and Goldman-Sachs, who were big and great employers, too &#8211; they only cost the taxpayers a lot of bucks. Moreso, if really everyone violates copyright, it may be not a real right in the first place, but rather a wrong.</p>
<p>Greetings, LX</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: david7wk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688254</link>
		<dc:creator>david7wk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688254</guid>
		<description>The point has been raised that ACTA will result in small surcharges from ISP&#039;s due to their new roles.

I believe ISP&#039;s will have to charge a large amount to purchase and monitor software to detect copyrighted materials, not to mention the responsibilities associated with notification of copyright violations and black listing 3 time offenders.

Taking this to it&#039;s conclusion, ISP&#039;s tasked with eliminating violations can use 1 of 2 approaches: monitor every type of connection for violations or restrict all but the most basic connection types and monitor those. This would result in most ports being blocked and services like BitTorrent being effectively banned.

Perhaps a lot less may happen but doesn&#039;t ACTA open the door to this kind of censorship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point has been raised that ACTA will result in small surcharges from ISP&#8217;s due to their new roles.</p>
<p>I believe ISP&#8217;s will have to charge a large amount to purchase and monitor software to detect copyrighted materials, not to mention the responsibilities associated with notification of copyright violations and black listing 3 time offenders.</p>
<p>Taking this to it&#8217;s conclusion, ISP&#8217;s tasked with eliminating violations can use 1 of 2 approaches: monitor every type of connection for violations or restrict all but the most basic connection types and monitor those. This would result in most ports being blocked and services like BitTorrent being effectively banned.</p>
<p>Perhaps a lot less may happen but doesn&#8217;t ACTA open the door to this kind of censorship?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ian70</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688004</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688004</guid>
		<description>Considering that the issue of transparency is so important to those of us not &quot;in the loop&quot;, I need to ask this: WHY was a &lt;b&gt;portion of the discussion removed&lt;/b&gt; from this video at 1:04:34?  What was discussed in that room at that point that needed to be kept from the rest of us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that the issue of transparency is so important to those of us not &#8220;in the loop&#8221;, I need to ask this: WHY was a <b>portion of the discussion removed</b> from this video at 1:04:34?  What was discussed in that room at that point that needed to be kept from the rest of us?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: brainewave</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688285</link>
		<dc:creator>brainewave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688285</guid>
		<description>Hey BoingBoing, make use of the website Speakertext.com!  If you&#039;re going to post videos that are 90 minutes long, it&#039;d be worth everyone&#039;s time to use their service to get the video transcribed.  You&#039;ll then be able to quote exact moments within the video and link directly to that point in the recording.  It costs $0.03 per minute, and it&#039;ll make your links a lot more interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey BoingBoing, make use of the website Speakertext.com!  If you&#8217;re going to post videos that are 90 minutes long, it&#8217;d be worth everyone&#8217;s time to use their service to get the video transcribed.  You&#8217;ll then be able to quote exact moments within the video and link directly to that point in the recording.  It costs $0.03 per minute, and it&#8217;ll make your links a lot more interesting.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: DP</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-689567</link>
		<dc:creator>DP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-689567</guid>
		<description>Cory,

I&#039;m going to admit some ignorance here so go easy on me.

I&#039;m asking for a BASIC tutorial on the intellectual property/copyright issue to get me up to speed so I can stop spacing out whenever these articles are posted.  I&#039;m usually pretty well informed on a lot of issues so, if I&#039;m spacing out when this comes up, I&#039;m pretty sure others are, too.

To give you a baseline, here&#039;s my current understanding.

1. Most people, except for the most devoted of the voluntaryists, accept a proper role of the government as enforcing contracts.

2. When a creative person creates some (oh, what do they call it?) intellectual property, they are free to release it with the understanding (contract?) that the government will enforce a general contract called copyright.  They are also free to release it under an understanding (contract?) that imposes greater or lesser restrictions than what is provided by copyright.

3. Whatever government gets involved in will become increasingly influenced by large interests who seek to use the government&#039;s power to give them a competitive advantage.

There are some holes in the understanding I&#039;ve communicated here.  I can see that #3 undermines #1, but I don&#039;t see an alternative.  I&#039;m inviting you to identify the rest of the holes and what is missing that will get me up to speed on the issues you&#039;re posting about.  I&#039;m not even sure what questions I&#039;m supposed to be asking to get up to speed on this topic.

,DP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to admit some ignorance here so go easy on me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m asking for a BASIC tutorial on the intellectual property/copyright issue to get me up to speed so I can stop spacing out whenever these articles are posted.  I&#8217;m usually pretty well informed on a lot of issues so, if I&#8217;m spacing out when this comes up, I&#8217;m pretty sure others are, too.</p>
<p>To give you a baseline, here&#8217;s my current understanding.</p>
<p>1. Most people, except for the most devoted of the voluntaryists, accept a proper role of the government as enforcing contracts.</p>
<p>2. When a creative person creates some (oh, what do they call it?) intellectual property, they are free to release it with the understanding (contract?) that the government will enforce a general contract called copyright.  They are also free to release it under an understanding (contract?) that imposes greater or lesser restrictions than what is provided by copyright.</p>
<p>3. Whatever government gets involved in will become increasingly influenced by large interests who seek to use the government&#8217;s power to give them a competitive advantage.</p>
<p>There are some holes in the understanding I&#8217;ve communicated here.  I can see that #3 undermines #1, but I don&#8217;t see an alternative.  I&#8217;m inviting you to identify the rest of the holes and what is missing that will get me up to speed on the issues you&#8217;re posting about.  I&#8217;m not even sure what questions I&#8217;m supposed to be asking to get up to speed on this topic.</p>
<p>,DP</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688299</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688299</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;You&#039;ll then be able to quote exact moments within the video and link directly to that point in the recording.&lt;/i&gt;

You can link to specific in YouTube videos. For free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You&#8217;ll then be able to quote exact moments within the video and link directly to that point in the recording.</i></p>
<p>You can link to specific in YouTube videos. For free.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: cub</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-693436</link>
		<dc:creator>cub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-693436</guid>
		<description>@22-- yarrr!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22&#8211; yarrr!!!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: brainewave</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688324</link>
		<dc:creator>brainewave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688324</guid>
		<description>The point is having a transcript that is searchable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is having a transcript that is searchable.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nonentity</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688333</link>
		<dc:creator>Nonentity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688333</guid>
		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s not boingboing&#039;s responsibility to use a different website to create transcripts of someone else&#039;s video?  Particularly with a fee involved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s not boingboing&#8217;s responsibility to use a different website to create transcripts of someone else&#8217;s video?  Particularly with a fee involved?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: oasisob1</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687834</link>
		<dc:creator>oasisob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687834</guid>
		<description>&quot;Watch this video. It may be the most productive 90 minutes you spend today.&quot;

Spend 90 minutes writing a letter to your elected representatives on the subject. Then send the letter to them.

In this day of polls and petitions on the internet, we&#039;ve forgotten our right to write, and the power that our letters wield. I wrote to my representatives on an important issue, and received both phonecalls AND action(!) on the issue.

Don&#039;t waste your time in the comments section here or anywhere else on the web. Take the direct, legal action available to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Watch this video. It may be the most productive 90 minutes you spend today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Spend 90 minutes writing a letter to your elected representatives on the subject. Then send the letter to them.</p>
<p>In this day of polls and petitions on the internet, we&#8217;ve forgotten our right to write, and the power that our letters wield. I wrote to my representatives on an important issue, and received both phonecalls AND action(!) on the issue.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t waste your time in the comments section here or anywhere else on the web. Take the direct, legal action available to you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hxa7241</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-689883</link>
		<dc:creator>hxa7241</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-689883</guid>
		<description>@DP

The problem is that copyright is a poor system for the public overall: both intrinsically, and particularly in the circumstances of the internet.

Copying and sharing cultural items is good, and producing cultural items is good. Copyright encourages production -- good, but only by restricting sharing -- bad. It is intrinsically a self-frustrating system.

Copyright is also a monopoly, which is economically inefficient and harmful. It funds production by keeping prices of copies high. But with the internet the true cost of copying is practically zero, so the economic/public badness has become unusually large.

There certainly could be a role for government in a system for cultural production. But copyright is clearly a bad, broken choice, and a better one -- like Dean Baker&#039;s voucher one, or my suggestion earlier  -- should now be set up to replace it.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DP</p>
<p>The problem is that copyright is a poor system for the public overall: both intrinsically, and particularly in the circumstances of the internet.</p>
<p>Copying and sharing cultural items is good, and producing cultural items is good. Copyright encourages production &#8212; good, but only by restricting sharing &#8212; bad. It is intrinsically a self-frustrating system.</p>
<p>Copyright is also a monopoly, which is economically inefficient and harmful. It funds production by keeping prices of copies high. But with the internet the true cost of copying is practically zero, so the economic/public badness has become unusually large.</p>
<p>There certainly could be a role for government in a system for cultural production. But copyright is clearly a bad, broken choice, and a better one &#8212; like Dean Baker&#8217;s voucher one, or my suggestion earlier  &#8212; should now be set up to replace it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687838</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687838</guid>
		<description>See also the commentary on Techdirt at http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100111/2149377710.shtml. Mike Masnick, who wrote the Techdirt article, was present at the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also the commentary on Techdirt at <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100111/2149377710.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100111/2149377710.shtml</a>. Mike Masnick, who wrote the Techdirt article, was present at the debate.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-687845</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-687845</guid>
		<description>oasisob1 has a point.

I already KNOW that the ACTA negotiations are entirely controlled by the entertainment industry - it&#039;s been true of EVERY government copyright/IP regulatory process in the last 20 years.  I&#039;m not sure 90 minutes of video further proving that is going to do in a positive sense?

I see no options other than opting-out of popular culture when it is served through restrictions in my fair use rights - I spend my money on video games, dish TV, netflix, DVDs, CDs,  DRM free MP3 and streaming audio.  I will not purchase itunes, blue-ray or any current ebooks.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oasisob1 has a point.</p>
<p>I already KNOW that the ACTA negotiations are entirely controlled by the entertainment industry &#8211; it&#8217;s been true of EVERY government copyright/IP regulatory process in the last 20 years.  I&#8217;m not sure 90 minutes of video further proving that is going to do in a positive sense?</p>
<p>I see no options other than opting-out of popular culture when it is served through restrictions in my fair use rights &#8211; I spend my money on video games, dish TV, netflix, DVDs, CDs,  DRM free MP3 and streaming audio.  I will not purchase itunes, blue-ray or any current ebooks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688624</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688624</guid>
		<description>&quot;Watch this video. It may be the most productive 90 minutes you spend today. &quot;

Nah. I know what is needed to know about ACTA already. I&#039;ll spend the next 90 minutes being intensely productive at unabashed online piracy instead. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Watch this video. It may be the most productive 90 minutes you spend today. &#8221;</p>
<p>Nah. I know what is needed to know about ACTA already. I&#8217;ll spend the next 90 minutes being intensely productive at unabashed online piracy instead. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html#comment-688370</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-688370</guid>
		<description>An even better point would be that deaf people can use it. I suspect the rise of video content is leaving them (and blind people) increasingly marginalized, so it&#039;s good services like this exist. But it&#039;s true that BoingBoing shouldn&#039;t be expected to shell out for it in order to point out someone else&#039;s content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An even better point would be that deaf people can use it. I suspect the rise of video content is leaving them (and blind people) increasingly marginalized, so it&#8217;s good services like this exist. But it&#8217;s true that BoingBoing shouldn&#8217;t be expected to shell out for it in order to point out someone else&#8217;s content.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
