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	<title>Comments on: Cruise ship docks at private beach in Haiti for barbeque and water&#160;sports</title>
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		<title>By: Chris S</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689920</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They should have altered the route and sent the supplies via another means of transport.&quot;

The more I dig on the background on this, the more I think they&#039;re doing something useful under less than ideal circumstances.

Looks like they are the fastest transport. It also appears that almost every cruise vessel docking there over the next while will be bringing in supplies. Go looking for pictures of the dock there, though - this is strickly forklift and truck operation; no cranes or multi-level conveyors here. Nearby this area are Haitian facilities - still operating - that need those supplies.

As to timing - this was an 8 day cruise that departed Ft Lauderdale on January 9th. They had been on the water for 5 days before the quake struck. They picked up the special provisions from San Juan, Puerto Rico. Acting as a delivery run wasn&#039;t part of the original cruise.

Cruise ships operate on a very tight schedule. This ship was in Haiti on Friday - by Sunday, they were *departing* on a different cruise. That same tight schedule means that picking a different port of call - with 48 hours notice - was going to be next to impossible. Even a half-day&#039;s delay to the schedule would start to push back into an affect on close to ten thousand people.

Finally - UN officials on the island are indicating this stop, with passengers going onshore, is a net benefit for Haiti. Keeping the economic engines turning over will mean that Haiti can continue to recover long after the disaster aid starts tapering off.

For anyone without specialized and needed skills, the aid message has been pretty consistent - cash donations through trusted groups. Three thousand unplanned volunteers just dropped in sixty miles from Port-Au-Prince isn&#039;t going to be a big help. Donations made by those same passengers via their cruise account will be.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They should have altered the route and sent the supplies via another means of transport.&#8221;</p>
<p>The more I dig on the background on this, the more I think they&#8217;re doing something useful under less than ideal circumstances.</p>
<p>Looks like they are the fastest transport. It also appears that almost every cruise vessel docking there over the next while will be bringing in supplies. Go looking for pictures of the dock there, though &#8211; this is strickly forklift and truck operation; no cranes or multi-level conveyors here. Nearby this area are Haitian facilities &#8211; still operating &#8211; that need those supplies.</p>
<p>As to timing &#8211; this was an 8 day cruise that departed Ft Lauderdale on January 9th. They had been on the water for 5 days before the quake struck. They picked up the special provisions from San Juan, Puerto Rico. Acting as a delivery run wasn&#8217;t part of the original cruise.</p>
<p>Cruise ships operate on a very tight schedule. This ship was in Haiti on Friday &#8211; by Sunday, they were *departing* on a different cruise. That same tight schedule means that picking a different port of call &#8211; with 48 hours notice &#8211; was going to be next to impossible. Even a half-day&#8217;s delay to the schedule would start to push back into an affect on close to ten thousand people.</p>
<p>Finally &#8211; UN officials on the island are indicating this stop, with passengers going onshore, is a net benefit for Haiti. Keeping the economic engines turning over will mean that Haiti can continue to recover long after the disaster aid starts tapering off.</p>
<p>For anyone without specialized and needed skills, the aid message has been pretty consistent &#8211; cash donations through trusted groups. Three thousand unplanned volunteers just dropped in sixty miles from Port-Au-Prince isn&#8217;t going to be a big help. Donations made by those same passengers via their cruise account will be.</p>
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		<title>By: RPlumb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689921</link>
		<dc:creator>RPlumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As good a story as this makes, there are a couple of things to make note of. The Cruise boat site is 85 miles from the earthquake (300 miles sailing distance). Having been there once, I know the location is very remote on the North Coast and in an area untouched by the earthquake. The images of survivors trying to climb the 12 foot fence (which I didn&#039;t see) or being turned back by the armed guards (who I also didn&#039;t see) is fantasy. There are very few Haitians in the area. That said, I do respect the sensibilities of the passengers who chose to remain on the ship, out of respect for the situation on other parts of the island. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As good a story as this makes, there are a couple of things to make note of. The Cruise boat site is 85 miles from the earthquake (300 miles sailing distance). Having been there once, I know the location is very remote on the North Coast and in an area untouched by the earthquake. The images of survivors trying to climb the 12 foot fence (which I didn&#8217;t see) or being turned back by the armed guards (who I also didn&#8217;t see) is fantasy. There are very few Haitians in the area. That said, I do respect the sensibilities of the passengers who chose to remain on the ship, out of respect for the situation on other parts of the island. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689666</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the picture of the ship, glanced at the title and hoped this was a story about some cruise line sending a ship to Haiti to act as a floating aid station.

Oh optimism, you cruel shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the picture of the ship, glanced at the title and hoped this was a story about some cruise line sending a ship to Haiti to act as a floating aid station.</p>
<p>Oh optimism, you cruel shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Cefeida</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-690178</link>
		<dc:creator>Cefeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just putting it out there because I had trouble finding it myself: for those who would like to donate via Paypal, go to ebay

http://donations.ebay.com/charity/event.jsp?NP_ID=-52

You don&#039;t have to have an ebay account, they just have a special Haiti Relief page where you can easily paypal money to a lot of good charities, Doctors Without Borders among them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just putting it out there because I had trouble finding it myself: for those who would like to donate via Paypal, go to ebay</p>
<p><a href="http://donations.ebay.com/charity/event.jsp?NP_ID=-52" rel="nofollow">http://donations.ebay.com/charity/event.jsp?NP_ID=-52</a></p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to have an ebay account, they just have a special Haiti Relief page where you can easily paypal money to a lot of good charities, Doctors Without Borders among them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689667</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ballardian.</description>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689668</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life goes on.

And as always, life is for the living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life goes on.</p>
<p>And as always, life is for the living.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-696325</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I think about it, the more outraged I am that people are shunning a visit to any part of Haiti.  Boycotts are for countries you HATE.   Tourism *helps* them.   Hating a cruise ship does not somehow make up for people killed in an earthquake.... where&#039;s the logic??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I think about it, the more outraged I am that people are shunning a visit to any part of Haiti.  Boycotts are for countries you HATE.   Tourism *helps* them.   Hating a cruise ship does not somehow make up for people killed in an earthquake&#8230;. where&#8217;s the logic??</p>
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		<title>By: Drinking the well</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689670</link>
		<dc:creator>Drinking the well</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Difficult discussion in my opinion, I think the local craftsman are quite happy they can still earn some money in these dire times. It would be more respectful though if they just kept it at that and skipped one day of hedonism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Difficult discussion in my opinion, I think the local craftsman are quite happy they can still earn some money in these dire times. It would be more respectful though if they just kept it at that and skipped one day of hedonism.</p>
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		<title>By: jgs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689671</link>
		<dc:creator>jgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The passengers on that ship are no more guilty -- or innocent -- than anyone else who spends their money enjoying themselves rather than supporting disaster relief or other mensch-y pursuits, which from time to time is most of us.  They&#039;re just having a harder time ignoring it.  Not to say that&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;bad&lt;/i&gt; thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The passengers on that ship are no more guilty &#8212; or innocent &#8212; than anyone else who spends their money enjoying themselves rather than supporting disaster relief or other mensch-y pursuits, which from time to time is most of us.  They&#8217;re just having a harder time ignoring it.  Not to say that&#8217;s a <i>bad</i> thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Xopher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-691463</link>
		<dc:creator>Xopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you said you didn&#039;t see any possible action on the company&#039;s part that someone wouldn&#039;t find reprehensible.  This is because you&#039;re not paying attention, as you admit, not because they had no such choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you said you didn&#8217;t see any possible action on the company&#8217;s part that someone wouldn&#8217;t find reprehensible.  This is because you&#8217;re not paying attention, as you admit, not because they had no such choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689673</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, 40 palettes could only help 40 painters.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s one thing that&#039;s difficult to have an opinion on... On the one hand you can say it&#039;s cynical, on the other hand you have people who paid for that vacation in advance. Saying that those people don&#039;t have the right to get what they paid for seems a bit odd to me.

Besides that I guess that we have a situation similar to the one after the Tsunami: Even if it sounds harsh, those tourists have to keep coming as they bring the money the Haitians need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s one thing that&#8217;s difficult to have an opinion on&#8230; On the one hand you can say it&#8217;s cynical, on the other hand you have people who paid for that vacation in advance. Saying that those people don&#8217;t have the right to get what they paid for seems a bit odd to me.</p>
<p>Besides that I guess that we have a situation similar to the one after the Tsunami: Even if it sounds harsh, those tourists have to keep coming as they bring the money the Haitians need.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt J</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689675</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what do you suggest the ship does instead? Not dock, in which case the food on board won&#039;t be delivered, or dock, but don&#039;t let the passengers out, in which case the local people presumably employed by the cruise ship company won&#039;t get paid. As jgs points out, the passengers are no more or less guilty than the rest of us, they are just geographically closer to the disaster area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what do you suggest the ship does instead? Not dock, in which case the food on board won&#8217;t be delivered, or dock, but don&#8217;t let the passengers out, in which case the local people presumably employed by the cruise ship company won&#8217;t get paid. As jgs points out, the passengers are no more or less guilty than the rest of us, they are just geographically closer to the disaster area.</p>
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		<title>By: AsteriskCGY</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689676</link>
		<dc:creator>AsteriskCGY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this does is makes me think where are all the ship transports in all this. I remember the port at Port Au Prince was down. 

Then this made me realize you got a perfect beach you could probably use for this kind of stuff for wherever this place might be. 

Place should open up for transport ships. 

On another note, I would think the passengers of this cruise would not want to stop at Haiti right now. Makes for a real buzzkill. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this does is makes me think where are all the ship transports in all this. I remember the port at Port Au Prince was down. </p>
<p>Then this made me realize you got a perfect beach you could probably use for this kind of stuff for wherever this place might be. </p>
<p>Place should open up for transport ships. </p>
<p>On another note, I would think the passengers of this cruise would not want to stop at Haiti right now. Makes for a real buzzkill. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689932</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone that was actually on the cruise that went to Labadee care to comment?</description>
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		<title>By: Steeevyo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689677</link>
		<dc:creator>Steeevyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can not be outraged about this. Who is better? 
The person sending a check of ten dollars to ARC? Or the tourist spending money on site. 
I would feel uncomfortable too if i was a tourist on that cruise. 
But i would never encourage to exploit this non event in a populist manner. Just read all the self righteous comments on the Guardian website and you&#039;ll get the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can not be outraged about this. Who is better?<br />
The person sending a check of ten dollars to ARC? Or the tourist spending money on site.<br />
I would feel uncomfortable too if i was a tourist on that cruise.<br />
But i would never encourage to exploit this non event in a populist manner. Just read all the self righteous comments on the Guardian website and you&#8217;ll get the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689933</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes to show how money and greed out weighs human suffering.Sad, very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes to show how money and greed out weighs human suffering.Sad, very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this alternate world announcement:

In recognition of the enormous profits that the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line has derived from this disaster-striken island, we have come into port briefly to drop off donations from the corporation and passengers, which will go to general relief, with specific sums earmarked for the local people who would otherwise have served us at this time. To those local people, we give our most sincere condolences for the family and friends who have been killed, injured or left homeless, and we urge them to tend to those loved ones today rather than waiting on us while we enjoy ourselves.

Of course, we wouldn&#039;t dream of spending a day frolicking and gorging ourselves on this beautiful beach, while 200,000 freshly dead disaster victims await burial beyond our high fences -- for the same reason that we expect that our neighbors won&#039;t come over to the ashes of our burned homes with party-streamers, cake, and a Yahtzee set. It would be as grotesque as toasting marshmallows over the crematorium&#039;s chimney, as tasteless as taking tourist photos at a memorial service for someone&#039;s beloved child.

We have made arrangements with one of the other local ports-of-call for our passengers to get some time to relax, and we will put in there later today. We thank our passengers for their understanding over the brief delay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this alternate world announcement:</p>
<p>In recognition of the enormous profits that the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line has derived from this disaster-striken island, we have come into port briefly to drop off donations from the corporation and passengers, which will go to general relief, with specific sums earmarked for the local people who would otherwise have served us at this time. To those local people, we give our most sincere condolences for the family and friends who have been killed, injured or left homeless, and we urge them to tend to those loved ones today rather than waiting on us while we enjoy ourselves.</p>
<p>Of course, we wouldn&#8217;t dream of spending a day frolicking and gorging ourselves on this beautiful beach, while 200,000 freshly dead disaster victims await burial beyond our high fences &#8212; for the same reason that we expect that our neighbors won&#8217;t come over to the ashes of our burned homes with party-streamers, cake, and a Yahtzee set. It would be as grotesque as toasting marshmallows over the crematorium&#8217;s chimney, as tasteless as taking tourist photos at a memorial service for someone&#8217;s beloved child.</p>
<p>We have made arrangements with one of the other local ports-of-call for our passengers to get some time to relax, and we will put in there later today. We thank our passengers for their understanding over the brief delay.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Extension</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Extension</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Port&quot; appears to be a a generous description of Labadee â€”Â see http://www.caribbeanportreviews.com/Labadee.htm.

This story does raise an interesting moral question, though. Should the cruise company â€” who has invested heavily in the area and whose business helps support the local economy â€”  pull out of Haiti all together, or continue with business as usual in a part of the country that appears to be unaffected by the natural disaster? 

If/when Haiti recovers from this immediate situation and the charitable aid stops, it&#039;s going to need money from somewhere and the tourist industry would appear to be one of the few things that the country has going for it. 

So, which is best for a company that does business with Haiti â€” pull out now for a short-term PR gain and long-term hardship for Labadee, or stick with its investment, suffer the PR consequences and continue to support the Haitian economy?

There&#039;s clearly more to this story than this sensationalist BB headline (by Cory - quel surprise) makes out. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Port&#8221; appears to be a a generous description of Labadee â€”Â see <a href="http://www.caribbeanportreviews.com/Labadee.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.caribbeanportreviews.com/Labadee.htm</a>.</p>
<p>This story does raise an interesting moral question, though. Should the cruise company â€” who has invested heavily in the area and whose business helps support the local economy â€”  pull out of Haiti all together, or continue with business as usual in a part of the country that appears to be unaffected by the natural disaster? </p>
<p>If/when Haiti recovers from this immediate situation and the charitable aid stops, it&#8217;s going to need money from somewhere and the tourist industry would appear to be one of the few things that the country has going for it. </p>
<p>So, which is best for a company that does business with Haiti â€” pull out now for a short-term PR gain and long-term hardship for Labadee, or stick with its investment, suffer the PR consequences and continue to support the Haitian economy?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s clearly more to this story than this sensationalist BB headline (by Cory &#8211; quel surprise) makes out. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>These people had no problem with going on a cruise while Hatians were &#039;being piled up in the streets,&#039; so that&#039;s not the issue here. The real issue is that they were confronted point blank with this fact and it made them uncomfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people had no problem with going on a cruise while Hatians were &#8216;being piled up in the streets,&#8217; so that&#8217;s not the issue here. The real issue is that they were confronted point blank with this fact and it made them uncomfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally, think this, as an idea, is disgusting, earthquake or no earthquake -  &quot;It was hard enough to sit and eat a picnic lunch at Labadee before the quake, knowing how many Haitians were starving,&quot; said another. &quot;I can&#039;t imagine having to choke down a burger there now.&#039;&#039; Says enough for me. Such a horrible contrast, and having these passengers nicely separated from the carnage seems so evil to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally, think this, as an idea, is disgusting, earthquake or no earthquake &#8211;  &#8220;It was hard enough to sit and eat a picnic lunch at Labadee before the quake, knowing how many Haitians were starving,&#8221; said another. &#8220;I can&#8217;t imagine having to choke down a burger there now.&#8221; Says enough for me. Such a horrible contrast, and having these passengers nicely separated from the carnage seems so evil to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cruise ship mentality is one of excess: bigger and bigger ships, unlimited eating, etc. Is it any wonder why these people think it&#039;s a good idea to dock in Haiti and sun themselves at a private resort while chaos is occurring there. They feel that they are &quot;helping&quot; the Haitian people by paying them to service their sense of &quot;entitlements&quot; while visiting the island. &quot;Hey...I know you guys are suffering and stuff, but here&#039;s $5.....could you bring me a beer?&quot; Real JO&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cruise ship mentality is one of excess: bigger and bigger ships, unlimited eating, etc. Is it any wonder why these people think it&#8217;s a good idea to dock in Haiti and sun themselves at a private resort while chaos is occurring there. They feel that they are &#8220;helping&#8221; the Haitian people by paying them to service their sense of &#8220;entitlements&#8221; while visiting the island. &#8220;Hey&#8230;I know you guys are suffering and stuff, but here&#8217;s $5&#8230;..could you bring me a beer?&#8221; Real JO&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt J</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689683</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, I find the whole fenced in rich person&#039;s playground beach a disgusting idea, but no more disgusting because a disaster happened nearby. The proximity of the earthquake just shows the grotesqueness of the whole venture in sharper relief. And also, I&#039;m not sure how affected Labadee is by the earthquake. There are many places in the Dominican Republic nearer to Port-au-Prince than Labadee is. It seems very paternalistic to pay people unaffected by, but in the same country as a disaster for work which has not been done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, I find the whole fenced in rich person&#8217;s playground beach a disgusting idea, but no more disgusting because a disaster happened nearby. The proximity of the earthquake just shows the grotesqueness of the whole venture in sharper relief. And also, I&#8217;m not sure how affected Labadee is by the earthquake. There are many places in the Dominican Republic nearer to Port-au-Prince than Labadee is. It seems very paternalistic to pay people unaffected by, but in the same country as a disaster for work which has not been done.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceronomus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689939</link>
		<dc:creator>Ceronomus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course Drew, with no time, no supplies, and lacking crew trained for such a thing, let&#039;s turn the cruise ship into a floating hospital with ZERO notice. Might as well ask them to fly to the moon.

Doctors without Borders is doing an excellent job of setting up hospital facilities on site. Donations to help their efforts would be far more cost effective than immediately retrofitting a cruise ship as a hospital. Indeed, it would be a huge waste of resources to do such a thing in this case. The Cruise company (and Haiti) are far better off with the cruise ships delivering supplies and the company giving money to people TRAINED to handle these situations.

I don&#039;t see YOU dropping a million dollars of aid, PLUS supply shipments, to Haiti...or did I miss that in all of the &quot;let&#039;s crucify the company that is actually doing some good in Haiti and is continuing their visits at the REQUEST of the Haitian government?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Drew, with no time, no supplies, and lacking crew trained for such a thing, let&#8217;s turn the cruise ship into a floating hospital with ZERO notice. Might as well ask them to fly to the moon.</p>
<p>Doctors without Borders is doing an excellent job of setting up hospital facilities on site. Donations to help their efforts would be far more cost effective than immediately retrofitting a cruise ship as a hospital. Indeed, it would be a huge waste of resources to do such a thing in this case. The Cruise company (and Haiti) are far better off with the cruise ships delivering supplies and the company giving money to people TRAINED to handle these situations.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see YOU dropping a million dollars of aid, PLUS supply shipments, to Haiti&#8230;or did I miss that in all of the &#8220;let&#8217;s crucify the company that is actually doing some good in Haiti and is continuing their visits at the REQUEST of the Haitian government?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689684</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why yes, if you frame this as either the company abandoning Haiti or turning thousands loose to frolic by the misery, then the latter looks better.

You could make the same case for the decency of an employer who forces an employee to work after his children were killed in an auto-wreck: &quot;Would it be better if he fired the worker?&quot;

No. It would be better if he gave him time off with pay while he is reeling from tragedy.

And it would be better for Haiti if the company made its donations and then didn&#039;t demand that the undoubtably bereaved and reeling locals wait on its customers while they gorge and sun themselves.

There is &quot;more to this story&quot; indeed: there&#039;s an army of corporate apologists who can&#039;t conceive of any middle ground between cavorting on a disaster site and abandoning people altogether, and who dismiss anyone who sees things differently as &quot;sensationalist.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why yes, if you frame this as either the company abandoning Haiti or turning thousands loose to frolic by the misery, then the latter looks better.</p>
<p>You could make the same case for the decency of an employer who forces an employee to work after his children were killed in an auto-wreck: &#8220;Would it be better if he fired the worker?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. It would be better if he gave him time off with pay while he is reeling from tragedy.</p>
<p>And it would be better for Haiti if the company made its donations and then didn&#8217;t demand that the undoubtably bereaved and reeling locals wait on its customers while they gorge and sun themselves.</p>
<p>There is &#8220;more to this story&#8221; indeed: there&#8217;s an army of corporate apologists who can&#8217;t conceive of any middle ground between cavorting on a disaster site and abandoning people altogether, and who dismiss anyone who sees things differently as &#8220;sensationalist.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BritSwedeGuy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689685</link>
		<dc:creator>BritSwedeGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just the proximity that&#039;s bringing a universal truth home - there will always be &#039;rich&#039; and there will always be &#039;poor&#039;. The right-wing decry Obama trying to instill a little bit of basic human decency into society - in the shape of health care reforms - as &#039;socialism&#039;. Elements of the right would also happily let Haitians rot.
Fixing this needs more than money (not to say it doesn&#039;t need money too)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just the proximity that&#8217;s bringing a universal truth home &#8211; there will always be &#8216;rich&#8217; and there will always be &#8216;poor&#8217;. The right-wing decry Obama trying to instill a little bit of basic human decency into society &#8211; in the shape of health care reforms &#8211; as &#8216;socialism&#8217;. Elements of the right would also happily let Haitians rot.<br />
Fixing this needs more than money (not to say it doesn&#8217;t need money too)</p>
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		<title>By: AirPillo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-691478</link>
		<dc:creator>AirPillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly correct. I should have paid better attention. His suggestion is a good one.

I am glad I skipped Cory&#039;s comments the first time, though. That&#039;s a hell of a lot of vitriol just for someone who simply hadn&#039;t quite worked out the valid solution he suggested. It&#039;s always unpleasant to see someone so very, very eager to use any excuse to treat other people as disgusting and inferior.

Very smart brain, very saddening personality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly correct. I should have paid better attention. His suggestion is a good one.</p>
<p>I am glad I skipped Cory&#8217;s comments the first time, though. That&#8217;s a hell of a lot of vitriol just for someone who simply hadn&#8217;t quite worked out the valid solution he suggested. It&#8217;s always unpleasant to see someone so very, very eager to use any excuse to treat other people as disgusting and inferior.</p>
<p>Very smart brain, very saddening personality.</p>
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		<title>By: Derk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No mention then of the $1M dollars Royal Caribbean are donating to the disaster fund? or did I miss that?
Royal Caribbean International has contributed the largest proportion of tourist revenue to Haiti since 1986, employing 300 locals, allowing another 200 to sell their wares on the premises, and paying the Haitian government US$6 per tourist. For Haiti tourism is a major source of revenue, so what would you have them do? Cut off a source of revenue when its needed most?

To call Labadee a port is laughable, its a beach. A Port of call. It is not a deep water region, no cranes, no real infrastructure to deal with large amounts of aid. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No mention then of the $1M dollars Royal Caribbean are donating to the disaster fund? or did I miss that?<br />
Royal Caribbean International has contributed the largest proportion of tourist revenue to Haiti since 1986, employing 300 locals, allowing another 200 to sell their wares on the premises, and paying the Haitian government US$6 per tourist. For Haiti tourism is a major source of revenue, so what would you have them do? Cut off a source of revenue when its needed most?</p>
<p>To call Labadee a port is laughable, its a beach. A Port of call. It is not a deep water region, no cranes, no real infrastructure to deal with large amounts of aid. </p>
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		<title>By: thunderhammer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/18/cruise-ship-docks-at.html#comment-689944</link>
		<dc:creator>thunderhammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory&#039;s analogy of an employer forcing an employee who loses a child in a car wreck to work rather than firing him is just a little off, I think.  A better analogy is if the employer himself loses a child in a car wreck (and so do all of his employees).  The employer can&#039;t pay his employees if he shuts down the business to grieve.  

Now let&#039;s say the company in question sells party hats.  Is it disrespectful for me to buy a party hat from them when they are grieving?

Not making the stop would have been better PR.  I&#039;m sure the cruise company realizes it.  But I really don&#039;t think that would have been better for Haiti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory&#8217;s analogy of an employer forcing an employee who loses a child in a car wreck to work rather than firing him is just a little off, I think.  A better analogy is if the employer himself loses a child in a car wreck (and so do all of his employees).  The employer can&#8217;t pay his employees if he shuts down the business to grieve.  </p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s say the company in question sells party hats.  Is it disrespectful for me to buy a party hat from them when they are grieving?</p>
<p>Not making the stop would have been better PR.  I&#8217;m sure the cruise company realizes it.  But I really don&#8217;t think that would have been better for Haiti.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t just proximity revealing truth, though that&#039;s happening too. This is about when and where it is appropriate to take one&#039;s leisure, to play and to relax. Presumably, the passengers at the Independence of the Seas wouldn&#039;t strip off and get a tan in a cemetery in their own home towns, or show up in a terminal ward with a picnic lunch and a boom-box.

When you are bereaved, you don&#039;t expect that the rest of the world will stop until you recover. But it *is* reasonable to expect that they won&#039;t come over to your house uninvited and put some Adam Sandler videos on the DVD player and snog on the sofa while you weep in the bedroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t just proximity revealing truth, though that&#8217;s happening too. This is about when and where it is appropriate to take one&#8217;s leisure, to play and to relax. Presumably, the passengers at the Independence of the Seas wouldn&#8217;t strip off and get a tan in a cemetery in their own home towns, or show up in a terminal ward with a picnic lunch and a boom-box.</p>
<p>When you are bereaved, you don&#8217;t expect that the rest of the world will stop until you recover. But it *is* reasonable to expect that they won&#8217;t come over to your house uninvited and put some Adam Sandler videos on the DVD player and snog on the sofa while you weep in the bedroom.</p>
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