Secret "Jesus" Bible codes inscribed on American military weapons

ABC News reports that high-powered rifle sights provided to the US Army and Marines by Michigan weapons maker Trijicon include coded references to Bible passages about Jesus Christ:
Jesus_gun.jpg The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes (ABC News)
Trijicon (corporate website)

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  1. I wonder how Jesus would feel about that? from what I know of him, I don’t remember him spreading his message with the edge of a blade.

    but then I’m no bible scholar, maybe I’m wrong.

    1. Yeah, it’s hard to argue about immorality and tolerance when you’re talking about weapons specifically purchased to kill people.

    2. I wonder how Jesus would feel about that? from what I know of him, I don’t remember him spreading his message with the edge of a blade.

      @kromekoran I was going to post “I come not to bring peace, but a sword,” but I now realize that @phisrow already beat me to it with the very first comment. (It’s Matthew 10:34.)

  2. Could it be at all possible that the 2COR4:6 designation has some other meaning – perhaps something to do with the contract number or optical properties of the gunsight?

    2COR4:6 couldn’t mean ANYTHING else? No reasonable doubt?

    Wouldn’t want to go jumping to conclusions, would we?

  3. What a drag.

    Now we have to spend more money on the military just because some assholes want to scrawl graffiti.

    1. Actually, it looks like the passages may be molded into a rubbery plastic casing. If that’s the case, maybe we can ship the scopes back to the company, have them pay for a couple of hundred boxes of razor blades, and have them scrape off the text.

  4. Steve, sure it could mean something else, except (as the article states) the company has confirmed that it’s a reference to the Bible passage.

  5. During the Boxer rebellion, the Boxers believed that prayer and meditation would protect them from bullets. Didn’t work.

  6. Jesus F’n Christ I hate religion, everything about it and everyone associated with or involved in it in any way.

    Yes, it *is* my world and yes, you *are* just living in it.

    /Sorry, feeling especially pissy this afternoon.

  7. Ehhhh.. as much as I am against people in my face or pushing their beliefs on others.. how is a coded message inscribed on a weapon a violation of that? Does it come with some pro-Jesus pamphlet or something?

    Who the F cares? There are much bigger issues in the world than some douchebag being nitpicky.

    1. “How is a coded message a violation of that?”
      See: General Order No 1: http://www.tac.usace.army.mil/deploymentcenter/tac_docs/GO-1B%20Policy.pdf, point “k” under “prohibited activities.” I’d say a religious icon of any sort is borderline, but stamping it onto a weapon crosses the line from borderline proselytizing into “CONVERT OR DIE, HEATHEN” territory, especially since these are military-issued, and not chosen by the serviceperson.

      “Who the F cares?” I care, and I don’t think I’m a douchebag.

      “There are bigger issues in the world…” I think that the evangelization of the US Armed Forces is one of the biggest issues in the world. The idea of a “missionary army” is terrifying enough, but remaining a secular military in the eyes of the world is just as important as remaining a secular military in practice. It is vitally important that the US government does not appear to be a force for international evangelism. Therefore, it is crucial that we make a very public repudiation of this nonsense.

    2. @popnwave What if it had the message “N*gg*rs are Evil” on it? Or “White Power” or “God Hates F*gs”?

      Its just an expression of someone’s beliefs, how does that affect anything?

      How do you think our Muslim allies feel about us inscribing our weapons (which we use to kill them) with religious messages? How does this affect how we are perceived? Does this make us look more anti-Islam than we already are?

      If a follower of Islam shot a Christian in the US, and had “Allah Akbar” inscribed on his gun, there would be a lynching.

      Its wrong for many reasons, the most serious I think is that it continues to lead credence to the idea that our wars are religious crusades, which they should not be, and I think (depending on your semantics) are not.

  8. First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

  9. There’s nothing wrong with this; the Romans used to tattoo the names of gods on their lions, after all.

    1. Trijicon clearly violated the terms of the contract and then admitted to it. What does the DOD do when violations are discovered?

      It seems that the Trijicon had always intended to include the Biblical references in the sights. Would this make them guilty of conspiracy in a legal sense?

      1. What does the DOD do when violations are discovered?

        Well, they DO have something of a track record lately of extending the contract and promoting all parties involved.
        This case would seem to be a good marker to see if the change in administration really is relevant to the direction of the military-industrial complex.

  10. I guess that any Biblical reference to “Thou shalt not kill (murder)” was probably discarded as appropriate for an arms manufacturer.

    If it wasn’t for Google, I’d never have been able to locate it so quickly and conveniently:
    Matthew 5:21 or Romans 13:9 or Exodus 20:13

  11. Trijicon does have a religious-based mission, and apparently doesn’t think it is hilariously ironic that they weapon-based products.

    From the Trijicon About Us Page:

    http://www.trijicon.com/about.cfm

    TRIJICON’S VALUES
    (First 4 bullet points removed)
    • Morality
    We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will strive to follow those morals.

  12. Oh sure, we are not on a ‘crusade’ to kill the heathens. Not one bit..

    I like this from the original article:

    “Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is “not Christian.””

    Way to set back relations with everyone..

      1. No, the WWII song “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition” wasn’t “entirely serious” in the sense that the irony of the juxtaposition of ideas wasn’t apparent to the listeners (irony and sarcasm weren’t invented by Gen X, believe it or not). The song was based on a supposedly real event at Pearl Harbor in which a prayer service aboard a ship was interrupted by the attack and the chaplain realized that actually doing something useful (like making sure there was enough ammunition) was more important than worrying about prayer.

  13. Honestly. If you’re going to put biblical references on a gun you might as well make it Mark 13:20

  14. Would an ecumenical set of ass-kicking quotations satisfy the secularists and the Christophobes? Last time I looked, the Tanakh and Qu’ran had lots of fist-pumping, for-those-about-to-bloodlet slogans.

    America: nothing says diversity quite like our coded sniper sights!

    1. “Last time I looked, the Tanakh and Qu’ran had lots of fist-pumping, for-those-about-to-bloodlet slogans.”

      Onanism and 72 virgins!!!

      1. Or the lapidary “Kill your family because you’ve got to” sentiments from the Bhagavad Gita. World culture as a vast rainbow coalition of willing killers…. Shanti, shanti, shanti.

  15. Not to burst anyone’s bubble but because this is printed on a scope it is probably referring to the aspect ratio of the field of view. If you look at the whole line says REFLEX1x2-2COR4:6. Reflex is the model of the scope 1×2 is the power 2COR might be referring to a lens coating or filter and 4:6 is the aspect ratio of the field of view. The other example is ACC+4x32JN8:12. ACC+ is the model 4×32 is the power JN lens coating and 8:12 is the field of view. Just a thought.

  16. Can anyone provide attribution for the Jesus w/ M82 image that illustrates this entry? I used it on my Xmas cards ca. 2001 or 2002, but didn’t know who to credit as the artist.

  17. And actually after some research the 2COR and JN refers to the scope mount. CORBON and JASON MEASON WEAVER style.

    1. Again, from the OP: “Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions “have always been there” and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is “not Christian.” The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.”

    1. John Masen is an online gunshop, and the mount is called Weaver rail, after William Ralph Weaver. Cor-bon is an ammunition brand.

    2. No, no! The 2COR stands for who the scope was designed by. 2 Chimps on Ritalin. The JN? Jack Nicholson obviously.

      Read the article before posting 3 incorrect comments.

  18. edensdoor, the company admits it’s a bible reference, as people posted prior to your attempted bubble bursting

  19. This is a mess on many levels, no matter if you’re religious or not. Its wrong on a separation of church and state level, its wrong on a religious proselytizing level, and its wrong on a national PR level. Even if you didn’t care about the first two, that last one pretty much screams out that this was, in fact, a very stupid move. Now the army has to explain in some BS press release that that they are not in fact killing in the name of Jesus, and that these are not some kind of holy weapons in a holy war. Good luck with that one…

    This is where both the atheist and pragmatist in me scream WTF.

  20. “The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.”

    Not including extras like shipping, taxes, etc. etc., that’s *at least* $825 per sight. Reminds me of the 80’s-era ridiculous overcharging for hammers and toilet seats.

    1. Eh, I think I opened my mouth a little too soon. This article mentions “sights” and I didn’t think that included “scopes”. Thus, please strike my ignorant comment from the record.

    2. IIRC, Trijicon’s civilian scopes retail for around US$500-800; the ACOG TA-31 that was being issued to the US Marines a few years ago was at the higher end of that.
      They’re damn good scopes in all honesty, with some really nice features.

      …if you’re into that sort of thing…

      1. Yeah, I read “sights” and thought they were referring to iron sights, then the picture on the linked ABC article *had* a picture on it, which looked kinda like it was on the scope mounts… then I figured I probably didn’t have enough information or knowledge to make a comment in the first place and wished I could self-delete here. Ah well.

    3. Nope. $825 is a pretty good price. If you or I tried to buy one we’d have to spend over $900. Depending on which model, well over $1000. Google trijicon acog and see for yourself.

      Has anyone else noticed that all the verses mention light? I think it’s funny/clever that an optics company puts verses mentioning light on their products, but maybe that’s just me.

    4. Worth saying here that these are very, VERY good sights. The public’s price for this sight is around $950 and I know many people who have more than one of these. They really are a great bit of kit and are almost indestructible.

  21. ‘U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious “Crusade” in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.’

    How about “to prevent criticism that the U.S. has established a state religion” or that the military tacitly accepts one religion over others?

    1. Well I can tell you that as of the mid 1980s, there wasn’t an unofficial “recommended” religion in the Navy. Things may have changed since then.

  22. Y’know, it’d actually be kind of cool if you yanks would just drop all the pretence and go all-fucking-out with this shit and send stuff like this over to the Holy Land.

  23. I would hope that any logical person would conclude, coded Bible verses on sniper scopes or not, that the US is not in the Middle East as part of a holy crusade to kill heathen Muslims, nor to convert them to Christianity.

    Unfortunately, “logical” is not a word I’ve heard describe that part of the world before, but…

    1. I would hope that any logical person would conclude, coded Bible verses on sniper scopes or not, that the US is not in the Middle East as part of a holy crusade

      Sorry to disappoint you, but I view it very much as a religious war. At least as far as religion is based on xenophobia. Which is quite a bit.

  24. Is this really a surprise in a military where dying or injured atheists, NoRelPrefs and non-christians are often administered last rights or prayed for against their will?

    The easiest way not to be promoted is not to be religious. The easiest way to make it into the upper NCO ranks is to become a minister or get a theology degree.

    1. “The easiest way not to be promoted is not to be religious. The easiest way to make it into the upper NCO ranks is to become a minister or get a theology degree.”

      I’m assuming you discovered this through personal experience?

  25. If the point of the whole thing is to convert the heathens, wouldn’t it be smarter to stamp those references on the bullets themselves? Dumb manufacturers.

  26. Once we have soldiers going into foreign countries and shooting people, does it really matter what’s on their scopes? Bible verses or Barney the Purple Dinosaur, it’s still soldiers going into a foreign country and killing people. Particularly with Iraq, where there was not even a hint of provocation.

    (my reCaptcha phrase was “be busybody” I love it!)

    1. What? No Samuel 15:3? However I do think ill lich is right. John 11:35 is probably the most appropriate.

      @Anon:
      Of course it matters what’s on their scopes. During colonial rule of India, rumors spread that the bullet cartridges that the British were issuing to the Hindu and Muslim soldiers were made with cow and pig fat, thus making the soldiers “impure.” This is a key development in the Indian Rebellion of 1857.

      Never underestimate how seriously people take their superstitions.

  27. Heh, I never noticed the Matthew 5:16 reference on my ACOG until today. As an atheist, I find it rather amusing, and I’m certainly not going to return it. I’m not going to stop eating at In-n-Out just because they put Bible references on their paper products either.

    But when it comes to military contracts, I hope the government specifies their removal on future deliveries, or at least allows suppliers of other faiths an equal opportunity to include their own religious messages.

  28. I hope these motherfuckers die in a fire. Evil fucking bastards. I hope their intestines necrotize while they still live.

  29. Half of this war is in the battlefield of information warfare, and the Trijicon bible-thumpers have just handed a victory to al Qaida.
    Al Qaida will use this as further “proof” of America’s crusade against Islam and make it easier to recruit more killers — all this at a time when they were losing the propaganda war.

  30. I’m wondering how many more General Boykins, Erik Princes, Korans dumped in toilets, soldiers smearing pork fat on their bullets and now biblical verses on scopes before we’re allowed to say that fundamentalist Islam isn’t the only faith currently trying to wage a holy war.

  31. The company isn’t breaking any laws, they can inscribe whatever they want in the site tubes. The ACOG sights for M4s are $2100 each. I can’t afford nor do I ever need a 4×32 scope that costs that much, but I’ve looked at them a few times and never noticed any biblical markings. Where exactly are the markings? Can I get a picture pointing them out? I don’t think they are normally visible. If they’re scrawled inside the scope tube you’d have to do quite a bit of damage to an expensive piece of equipment to get a glimpse.
    Everywhere in the supply chain for military equipment in the US you will find plenty of conservative Christians. I get emails from distributors and manufactures all the time with scripture quotes. Some companies will include religious literature with every shipment, along with your receipt and packing slip. Its funny, but no big fucking deal.

    1. The company isn’t breaking any laws, they can inscribe whatever they want in the site tubes.

      So? They’re still scumbags. They’re trying to use coercive magic, which means they’re not good Christians either.

      And I’m sure the contract has some clause in it that the military could use to get out of the contract with these loathsome excrescences…if they wanted to.

  32. Much ado about nothing. As an atheist, I am not offended by a “coded” religious message in the product number. Now if the thing had crucifixes plastered on it, I would reconsider using it. Yes, this is a potential downside from a propaganda perspective. I am more concerned that a bureaucrat stops procuring these and that our soldiers are denied the gear they need. Trijicon makes excellent products worthy of our soldiers – regardless of their (inappropriate) religious leanings.

    1. Clearly we need military equipment that says “I ♥ cock” on it. Because it doesn’t matter what’s written on it as long as it works. Right? Right?

  33. No proselytizing here-they really don’t want any one except our soldiers getting that close to the sniper scopes.

  34. Trijicon makes damn good weapon sights.

    If they feel the need to mark their products with subversive religious slogans, I’m sure that will be taken into account next time the military starts accepting bids for electronic weapon sights, but until then, oh well, missed that one.

    Everyone who is getting enraged over this needs to just sit down, shut up, and stop turning this piddly little news item into a “the Iraq/Af-Pak War is a Holy Crusade” conspiracy discussion.

    In other news, thanks for giving me an excuse to drool over the latest Trijicon holo red DOTs.

  35. It’s not just the effect on our non-Christian enemies or allies that we should be concerned about. I’m sure that the numerous Muslim and Jewish and Hindu and Wiccan and other non-Christian soldiers that are in our military will not feel especially happy about the fact that they’ve been carrying weapons that are secretly inscribed with sentiments from the New Testament. We have a hard enough time with morale and recruiting as it is. This seems like a great way to make sure we continue to alienate hundreds of thousands if not millions of potential recruits.

  36. Wow, and who said that the U.S military is not performing a religious war against Islam? (p.s. I personally don’t mind the religious extremists, both Muslims and Christians, slaughtering each other like pigs, because when they finally die out, humanity can finally move beyond the its barbarian, irrational, feudal, and primitive stage.)

    1. The problem with that idea is, they really don’t mind the thought of taking the rest of us down with them.

  37. Some of the 666 millions of that contract should be given back and used to fund religion diversity awareness in kindergarten.

  38. I am really torn here. A few weeks ago I was contacted about doing some graphic design work for Trijicon. More specifically, some ad art for their Consumer sports line of sights for hunting and recreational sport shooting.

    Now I don’t know whether I should simply tell them to go pound sand… or should I do some art for them and secretly hide a few choice images in the pieces that we could all get a good giggle about later after they are published.

    ASSHOLES! MUTHER FUDGEPACKING P.O.S. SANCTIMONIOUS ASSHOLES!

    Proof once again that fanatical organized religions are the TRUE root of all evil in this world, no matter what the name of the “God” they follow is.

    Well… guess I’ll be turning that job down…

    1. Take the job. Plant something subversive in your work. They’ll never get any reference that isn’t already within their narrow view of the universe.

      Michigan, home of the Michigan Militia. A bunch of gun-totin’, jeebus lovin’, crusaders for a more christaian ‘merrican tomorrow. So, is it a shock that this company is based here, in Michigan? Not so much. Disappointing? Ya, sure, you betcha’.

  39. At least the good ol’ Aimpoint sights were built by socialist democrat atheists in Sweden. Makes one wonder why the deal was handed over to Trijicon.

  40. Ever heard of the Sepoy rebellion?

    “The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers.”

  41. We should just be reasonable about this, like on of the prior commenters. Ask them to remove the messaging from the models in the future.

    I’ve used ACOGs in the past, and Eotechs, and Aimponts (their common competitors) and they make the best product that our soldiers can use. Most people who own them never even knew the message was their until this article came out.

    I don’t agree with their use on military ACCESSORIES (not weapons) but at the same time we need to intelligently and rationally respond to the issue.

    I plan to buy one of these in the future, and given the option I would choose one without any religious message. If I don’t have a choice I’ll take it with.

    1. ACCESSORIES? You can’t call these accessories, that’s worse than calling it a religious item. Say it with me: Weapons System Component
      Sheesh, “They” don’t mind if our soldiers are thought to be mindless zealots or killers for Christ, but “accessories” makes them sound slightly fem, and we just can’t have that.
      Make these assholes pay back the rest of the contract and sue them for breaching obligations.
      Also, F the GOP.

  42. How about a musical break from all this religion and war?

    May God bless all you Christian soldiers….may He bless you hard, and right in the balls.

  43. If I wanted people to cheaply go out and risk their lives and kill other people in order for me to make some money I figure the only way to get them to do it would be some form of brainwashing that would involve some kind of deity and the premise of them living forever in bliss.

    Now get out there and kill and die so the elite can get richer and more powerful, christian soldiers. I just wish you’d stop saying you do it for the country and finally realize you do it for the corporate elite.

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      1. Did you read the article? Where do you see resonable doubt when the founder of the company said yes they added them and yes they are bible verses. Or when he said anyone raising a question is anti christian. I think you must have read it with your eyes closed.

  45. Chupa, don’t turn the job down. Take their money, but work something into the design you do for them, like say “Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn”.

  46. Winning their hearts and minds, indeed.

    Reminds me of this:

    “During the four days of attacks on Iraq, the diplomatic might of Britain and the United States was employed to convince the Arab world that they had no quarrel with Islam, only with Saddam Hussein. It seemed to be working. Then along came Chad Rickenberg. … (T)he sailor was close enough to an American missile on board his ship, the aircraft-carrier USS Enterprise, to cause his military masters much embarrassment.

    Mr Rickenberg daubed “Here’s a Ramadan present” on the side of the 2,000lb missile as it was about to be loaded on to a jet bomber. That was his first mistake. The second was to add his clear signature underneath.

    A news photographer snapped the missile and the message and circulated it via agency wires around the world. The timing could not have been more awkward for the US, anxiously assuring Arab allies that although it was bombing an Arab state, it was doing so in a manner “sensitive to Islam”. Bill Clinton had said that Desert Fox had been timed to avoid Ramadan, the Islamic holy month.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1998/dec/23/julianborger

    pic here:

    http://www.kelebekler.com/cesnur/foto/ramadan.jpg

  47. What is this obsession with linking to the print versions of news articles? The non-print version contains an embedded video report with photographs of the items in question.

  48. Only fitting since the US army practices core values from the bible: unjustified conquest, torture, slaying of innocents and their children and intolerance.

  49. BB – omniscient tolerance *

    * except for anything regarding Christianity, law enforcement, or the Republican party

    Hypocrisy at its finest!

    1. Steve, ironically the organizations you just mentioned are the true masters of hypocrisy at its finest. We are all hypocrites (including you), it’s just that some of us take it to a whole nuther level.

      If you can’t find the massive hypocrisy found in Christianity and the violence Christians bestow upon the planet then you must be blind. “Peace Soldiers” … yeah, hahaha

      If you can’t find the massive hypocrisy found in Law Enforcement when they say they are the “Peace Officers” but throw people suffering from terminal cancer into privatized prisons because they utilize a green leafy substance then you must be blind.

      I’m laughing too hard even thinking about the Republican party… so I’ll just say two words… closet… homosexuals…

      Steve, hopefully I’ll see you at the next event where Boing Boing rallies all it’s readers to go and protest churches and shit. What is that? Like every Tuesday? I forgot.

  50. Seems like nobody (for or again) seems to UNDERSTAND the concept of separating church and state.

    1) It would (and will, probably) violate that principle to forbid a private citizen (and sadly, by extension, a private corporation) to stamp biblical references on weapon parts.

    2) It violates this principle if the State buys items specifically that have some particular religious meaning, but also to refuse to buy them on that basis.

    If Trijicon products are of the expected quality and price competitive, the State should buy them. Any other outcome is infringing. Sorry.

    Now, I’m not going to disagree with the assertion that these coded messages may violate the military procurement code, and perhaps even compromise the mission at hand (we are after all fighting in a religious conflict, whether we like it or not. (some Shia) vs. (some Sunni) vs. Everybody).

    My comment is that the specific prohibition violates the 1st amendment. (Prohibiting the free expression of religion by citizens)

  51. It looks to me like there’s an easy answer to this problem. Trijicon has willfully produced equipment that violates the procurement specs. They should immediately be required to either repair or replace the defective items, or have their contract cancelled and repay any monies received to date. Speaking as a Christian, I don’t give a damn about Trijicon’s religious beliefs. They don’t have the right to second-guess the military planners who came up with those specifications, and they sure don’t have the right to get paid for it.

    If they’re upset about it? Tough. Let ’em offer it up as a mortification.

    Popnwave @19:

    Ehhhh.. as much as I am against people in my face or pushing their beliefs on others.. how is a coded message inscribed on a weapon a violation of that? Does it come with some pro-Jesus pamphlet or something?

    Who the F cares? There are much bigger issues in the world than some douchebag being nitpicky.

    Goodness, what a self-confident little ignoramus you are. Go read up on the Sepoy Rebellion. When you’re done, find an intellectually respectable book or two that discusses the Middle East’s extraordinary sensitivity to anything that might be taken for a crusade.

    Steve @115:

    BB – omniscient tolerance *

    * except for anything regarding Christianity, law enforcement, or the Republican party

    Hypocrisy at its finest!

    You know, Popnwave may be an ignoramus, but you’re a full-blown jingoistic idiot. Are you by any chance aware of your condition? I’m curious.

    Actually, what I’d really like to know is why dingbats like you are so fond of accusing others of hypocrisy. I’m not joking. That word is such a distinctive marker for online lamebrains that in the past I’ve seriously proposed building a moderation tool that would automatically flag comments that use hypocrite/hypocrisy, especially if the word is used in conjunction with censorship, ad hominem, groupthink, typical, or you people.

    My further guess is that you have no idea what I’m talking about.

    1. Hmm,
      a) call some ignoramus, then propose what amounts to a zero-tolerance filter. Really?
      b) sling more insults, then declare the mention of ad hominem as posts to be deemed unworthy. Top shelf.

      Maybe I’m not more dumberer than you, perhaps I just have a different opinion. Is that ok?

      1. Actually, you probably are dumber than Teresa. There’s no shame in that; most people are. I emphatically include myself in that “most people.”

        Just to clarify something that many people get wrong: saying “you’re an idiot because you believe X, and X is obviously stupid because Y” is not an ad hominem argument. ‘Argumentum ad hominem’ is a term of art in logic; it has a specific meaning. Don’t be misled by the literal translation. Not everything that appears to be “at the person” is ad hominem.

        An example of an ad hominem argument would be “X is wrong because you’re [something distracting and negative].” See how that works? So if you say “Xopher, you’re a cocksucker and I hate you,” that’s an attack, but not an ad hominem argument (nor, strictly speaking, untrue). On the other hand, if you respond to my argument that this does matter and that the company should be punished by saying “Yes, well you would say that because you’re a cocksucker,” that is an ad hominem argument.

        Ad hominem is a logical fallacy in which an argument is dismissed by attacking its proponent. If you whine about ad hominem attacks every time someone calls you a name, you’re just going to look very silly. Also, you’ll look like a troll, because one common thing trolls do is jump up and down shouting about ad hominem attacks whenever anyone calls them on their bullshit.

        It’s not fair, but it’s the way of the world.

  52. to all the people that keep saying it could mean anything…..friggin read more than one source, idiots!! They are finding more than one biblical reference!!

  53. @jet fx
    “Which is based on a classic WWII song which was utterly serious.”

    I much prefer the line from a Hot Tuna CD — “Praise the Lord adn pass the snakes.”

  54. Jonathan Badger: Also reminded of the great Bill Mauldin (“Forever, amen. …Hit th’ dirt.” and others. Also CATCH-22 and praying for a tighter bomb pattern.

  55. I care about this as much as I care about the Jesus codes on the bottom of In-N-Out containers: not at all.

    As long as it’s tasty and shoots fast bullets accurately, it’s alright by me.

    1. Well, clearly the answer is Jesus would shoot him in the head, dismember his body and drink his blood while parading around in a red, white and blue outfit.

      Jesus is an American after all.

  56. Talking about the Bible reminds me of Tom Paine & his book THE AGE OF REASON, in which he questions the Bible. From Wikipedia:
    “Paine also argues that the Old Testament must be false because it depicts a tyrannical God. The “history of wickedness” pervading the Old Testament convinced Paine that it was simply another set of human-authored myths.[22] He deplores people’s credulity: “Brought up in habits of superstition,” he wrote, “people in general know not how much wickedness there is in this pretended word of God.” Citing Numbers 31:13–47 as an example, in which Moses orders the slaughter of thousands of boys and women, and sanctions the rape of thousands of girls, at God’s behest,[23] Paine calls the Bible a “book of lies, wickedness, and blasphemy; for what can be greater blasphemy than to ascribe the wickedness of man to the orders of the Almighty!”[24]”

  57. This is MY money being spent. It makes sense to me to NOT increase the belief that this is a Holy War. Trijicon should be made to replace or repair all of these sights, be fined, and another company should be given the contracts. It is bad enough to have the superstitions of others control as much of my world as they do, but using the money of the American people to advance a particular religion is outrageous. After all these American taxpayers include every religious belief AND atheists,and agnostics. The arrogance of the people who think their beliefs are it, and everyone else is wrong reminds me of the nuts we are fighting against.

  58. litany of true striking
    to be recited when firing a projectile weapon

    Sweet Emperor, guide this missle into the hearts of Your foes

    – Infantryman’s Uplifting primer.

  59. To all those who are OK with bible passages, would Quran passages be fine too? I’d imagine they’d be much better as far as persuading people there was no holy war against Islam.

  60. Is Jesus’s command “love your enemies” among the quotes? How about “Do good to those who hate you.”

  61. Oh, also, Teresa chooses her words carefully. She said building a “moderation tool” that would “flag” comments containing those terms. That’s not a “zero-tolerance filter.” Her proposed system would simply allow a moderator to go directly to comments with those terms, to check whether they’re trollish or otherwise inappropriate. It would, for example, flag my comment above because I use one of the search terms repeatedly. Then the moderator would read it and say “Oh, Xopher’s explaining the proper use of that term, not jumping up and down like a troll whose bridge has fallen down,” and let the comment stand.

    When criticising a comment, please be sure you’re criticising what the comment actually says. Otherwise you’re caught in another logical fallacy called a “straw-man argument.”

  62. Well, I did predict he wouldn’t understand what I was saying.

    Also, thank you for the kind remarks.

  63. I wanted to post a link on how the Trijicon Scripture Code thing turned out. The company is going to remove the scripture code from the unshipped equipment before shipping it out and is sending 100 “Scripture Removal Kits” to the military so that coded scopes in the field can be de-scriptured.

    http://www.itnews.it/news/2010/0121192204232/trijicon-inc-offers-to-voluntarily-remove-scripture-references-on-all-products-destined-for-u-s-military.html

    I thought that this was worth reviving a dead thread.

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