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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-690957</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturated Animal Fat is one of the most nutritious foods you can eat.   Vegetable and seed oils will harden you arteries, they are processed non-natural foods!

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Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease.

Children&#039;s Hospital Oakland Research Institute Oakland CA Harvard School of Public Health Boston MA.


BACKGROUND: A reduction in dietary saturated fat has generally been thought to improve cardiovascular health.


OBJECTIVE: The objective of this meta-analysis was to summarize the evidence related to the association of dietary saturated fat with risk of coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, and cardiovascular disease (CVD; CHD inclusive of stroke) in prospective epidemiologic studies.


DESIGN: Twenty-one studies identified by searching MEDLINE and EMBASE databases and secondary referencing qualified for inclusion in this study. A random-effects model was used to derive composite relative risk estimates for CHD, stroke, and CVD.


RESULTS: During 5-23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. The pooled relative risk estimates that compared extreme quantiles of saturated fat intake were 1.07 (95% CI: 0.96, 1.19; P = 0.22) for CHD, 0.81 (95% CI: 0.62, 1.05; P = 0.11) for stroke, and 1.00 (95% CI: 0.89, 1.11; P = 0.95) for CVD. Consideration of age, sex, and study quality did not change the results.


CONCLUSIONS: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.

Siri-Tarino PW, Sun Q, Hu FB, Krauss RM. Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease. J Clin Nutr. 2010 Jan 13.</description>
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<p>===<br />
Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease.</p>
<p>Children&#8217;s Hospital Oakland Research Institute Oakland CA Harvard School of Public Health Boston MA.</p>
<p>BACKGROUND: A reduction in dietary saturated fat has generally been thought to improve cardiovascular health.</p>
<p>OBJECTIVE: The objective of this meta-analysis was to summarize the evidence related to the association of dietary saturated fat with risk of coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, and cardiovascular disease (CVD; CHD inclusive of stroke) in prospective epidemiologic studies.</p>
<p>DESIGN: Twenty-one studies identified by searching MEDLINE and EMBASE databases and secondary referencing qualified for inclusion in this study. A random-effects model was used to derive composite relative risk estimates for CHD, stroke, and CVD.</p>
<p>RESULTS: During 5-23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. The pooled relative risk estimates that compared extreme quantiles of saturated fat intake were 1.07 (95% CI: 0.96, 1.19; P = 0.22) for CHD, 0.81 (95% CI: 0.62, 1.05; P = 0.11) for stroke, and 1.00 (95% CI: 0.89, 1.11; P = 0.95) for CVD. Consideration of age, sex, and study quality did not change the results.</p>
<p>CONCLUSIONS: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.</p>
<p>Siri-Tarino PW, Sun Q, Hu FB, Krauss RM. Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease. J Clin Nutr. 2010 Jan 13.</p>
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		<title>By: lilomar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691725</link>
		<dc:creator>lilomar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why don&#039;t you use a thermometer?&quot;
Heh. Because that&#039;s not the way our grandfather&#039;s grandfather did it. My finance&#039;s family uses a thermometer when they butcher, but it&#039;s just not the way we have always done it. I&#039;m not even sure what the proper temperature would be, other than to run my hand through the water and see how many swipes I can stand. Yes, I realize this is silly.

Also @23 - Yeah, I know that it isn&#039;t possible for many people, but I do think that it is something that everyone should experience if they get the chance.

@Meat=Slavery guy - You get all the other carnivores to stop eating meat, then we can talk. Yes, I do think that the way many slaughter houses treat the animals is horrible. Which is why I get as much of my meat as possible from sources I know haven&#039;t done so. I eat wild game, pork, which I already explained the source of, and beef, which comes from a farm owned by people I know and butchered by a family-owned company that I know treats them humanely. Very rarely do I get meat from a store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why don&#8217;t you use a thermometer?&#8221;<br />
Heh. Because that&#8217;s not the way our grandfather&#8217;s grandfather did it. My finance&#8217;s family uses a thermometer when they butcher, but it&#8217;s just not the way we have always done it. I&#8217;m not even sure what the proper temperature would be, other than to run my hand through the water and see how many swipes I can stand. Yes, I realize this is silly.</p>
<p>Also @23 &#8211; Yeah, I know that it isn&#8217;t possible for many people, but I do think that it is something that everyone should experience if they get the chance.</p>
<p>@Meat=Slavery guy &#8211; You get all the other carnivores to stop eating meat, then we can talk. Yes, I do think that the way many slaughter houses treat the animals is horrible. Which is why I get as much of my meat as possible from sources I know haven&#8217;t done so. I eat wild game, pork, which I already explained the source of, and beef, which comes from a farm owned by people I know and butchered by a family-owned company that I know treats them humanely. Very rarely do I get meat from a store.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-690962</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa Simpson: Iâ€™m going to become a vegetarian. 
Homer: Does that mean youâ€™re not going to eat any pork? &quot;Yes&quot;
&quot;Bacon?&quot;
&quot;Yes Dad&quot;
&quot;Ham?&quot;
&quot;Dad all those meats come from the same animal&quot;
&quot;Right Lisa, some wonderful, magical animal!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa Simpson: Iâ€™m going to become a vegetarian.<br />
Homer: Does that mean youâ€™re not going to eat any pork? &#8220;Yes&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Bacon?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Yes Dad&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Ham?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Dad all those meats come from the same animal&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Right Lisa, some wonderful, magical animal!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691992</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no &quot;humane&quot; way to harm and kill someone for your own pleasure, though many use that excuse. In the human slavery times there were many defenders of &quot;humane&quot; slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no &#8220;humane&#8221; way to harm and kill someone for your own pleasure, though many use that excuse. In the human slavery times there were many defenders of &#8220;humane&#8221; slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: ciacontra</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-690972</link>
		<dc:creator>ciacontra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last week I ordered in a pig&#039;s head and some trotters from a local farm.  Half the head was pot-roasted with wine, shallots and kale and was awesome as a fancy date dinner. (Fortunately my wife is a biologist...She was better at carving it than I was.  Disturbingly so...)  The other half and four trotters were boiled up for Shanghai Soup Dumplings.  They&#039;re outstanding, you take the chilled and set aspic goo from the head and trotters, cube it, mix with the meat from the head, some shrimp and spices, and fold it in gyoza wrappers.  When the dumplings are steamed the aspic melts into a tasty soup inside.  I&#039;ll have the blog post about it up within a few hours, blogsite is in my profile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week I ordered in a pig&#8217;s head and some trotters from a local farm.  Half the head was pot-roasted with wine, shallots and kale and was awesome as a fancy date dinner. (Fortunately my wife is a biologist&#8230;She was better at carving it than I was.  Disturbingly so&#8230;)  The other half and four trotters were boiled up for Shanghai Soup Dumplings.  They&#8217;re outstanding, you take the chilled and set aspic goo from the head and trotters, cube it, mix with the meat from the head, some shrimp and spices, and fold it in gyoza wrappers.  When the dumplings are steamed the aspic melts into a tasty soup inside.  I&#8217;ll have the blog post about it up within a few hours, blogsite is in my profile.</p>
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		<title>By: voided</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-692511</link>
		<dc:creator>voided</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is very weird. But I think that tendency explains a lot why the animal rights topic, the few times it gets covered in those circles, tend to fuel so (unusually) much anger. George Dvorsky, a great writer on all things techno-progressive, is one of relatively few such writers who is very outspoken about his pro animal rights stance. A few years back he unleashed feedback havoc through a full on post on the topic. Some of his long loyal readers where infuriated! Dvorsky&#039;s provocative blog post title, to not speak of the first sentence, was a factor of course. But the content itself is still taboo-ish. 
http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/2007/08/meat-eaters-are-bad-people.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is very weird. But I think that tendency explains a lot why the animal rights topic, the few times it gets covered in those circles, tend to fuel so (unusually) much anger. George Dvorsky, a great writer on all things techno-progressive, is one of relatively few such writers who is very outspoken about his pro animal rights stance. A few years back he unleashed feedback havoc through a full on post on the topic. Some of his long loyal readers where infuriated! Dvorsky&#8217;s provocative blog post title, to not speak of the first sentence, was a factor of course. But the content itself is still taboo-ish.<br />
<a href="http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/2007/08/meat-eaters-are-bad-people.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/2007/08/meat-eaters-are-bad-people.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Moriarty</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-690976</link>
		<dc:creator>Moriarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for being mindful that meat comes from killing animals and has certain consequences, but I don&#039;t really see the value in examining it in detail (unless you find it interesting, of course). I love the luxury of indoor plumbing and I know what sewers are. Am I a hypocrite for not wanting to inspect them in detail? Is that different than loving bacon, but never wanting to go inside a slaughterhouse? From getting faint at the sight of blood, but still consenting to surgery?

BTW, this is a more general comment about this sort of &quot;shoving your face in it&quot; tactic, not about these people in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for being mindful that meat comes from killing animals and has certain consequences, but I don&#8217;t really see the value in examining it in detail (unless you find it interesting, of course). I love the luxury of indoor plumbing and I know what sewers are. Am I a hypocrite for not wanting to inspect them in detail? Is that different than loving bacon, but never wanting to go inside a slaughterhouse? From getting faint at the sight of blood, but still consenting to surgery?</p>
<p>BTW, this is a more general comment about this sort of &#8220;shoving your face in it&#8221; tactic, not about these people in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-692515</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, you&#039;re free to chalk this up to me being a stubborn, thick-headed bigot, but I&#039;m not participating in a discussion that seriously compares the rights of pigs to those of humans.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, you&#8217;re free to chalk this up to me being a stubborn, thick-headed bigot, but I&#8217;m not participating in a discussion that seriously compares the rights of pigs to those of humans.  </p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-692529</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Saturated Animal Fat is one of the most nutritious foods you can eat. Vegetable and seed oils will harden you arteries, they are processed non-natural foods!

...

CONCLUSIONS: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your abstract and your conclusions do not match. How does &quot;no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD&quot; imply &quot;one of the most nutritious foods you can eat,&quot; and where does it say that it is any better than vegetable oils?</description>
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Saturated Animal Fat is one of the most nutritious foods you can eat. Vegetable and seed oils will harden you arteries, they are processed non-natural foods!</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>CONCLUSIONS: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Your abstract and your conclusions do not match. How does &#8220;no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD&#8221; imply &#8220;one of the most nutritious foods you can eat,&#8221; and where does it say that it is any better than vegetable oils?</p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691516</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you mean the &quot;butter is awesome&quot; study funded with money from The National Dairy Council, which sells butter? Try reading the fine print, bub. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you mean the &#8220;butter is awesome&#8221; study funded with money from The National Dairy Council, which sells butter? Try reading the fine print, bub. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691007</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at pictures like these, happily posted at an otherwise progressive site like BoingBoing, gives one exactly the same feeling as a slave must have felt when reading the bad excuses for oppression in the 1800s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at pictures like these, happily posted at an otherwise progressive site like BoingBoing, gives one exactly the same feeling as a slave must have felt when reading the bad excuses for oppression in the 1800s.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691528</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still, you gotta admit that butter is indeed awesome.</description>
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		<title>By: Boondocker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691538</link>
		<dc:creator>Boondocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Then we place them in a scalding tank full of hot water (heated by one of the aforementioned fires). The temperature is measured by running your hand through the water, when you can dip your hand in quickly three times (two is too hot and four is too cool) then it is ready.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why don&#039;t you use a thermometer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then we place them in a scalding tank full of hot water (heated by one of the aforementioned fires). The temperature is measured by running your hand through the water, when you can dip your hand in quickly three times (two is too hot and four is too cool) then it is ready.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you use a thermometer?</p>
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		<title>By: pinehead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691797</link>
		<dc:creator>pinehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandfather was a hog farmer in south Georgia. At one time, he was one of the largest pork suppliers in the state, but that was back in the 60&#039;s. I have only the most vague childhood memory of the few hogs he had left back in the 80&#039;s before he retired completely.

The method you describe for butchering sounds similar to how he would do it (though admittedly, he was more interested in selling the livestock and leaving the heavy lifting to his customers). It&#039;s interesting to see that you up there in West-by-God-Virginia do it pretty much the same way as people down in south Georgia. From what I&#039;ve read, this method is/was also common in rural Britain (at least in Yorkshire).

My grandfather used to sell to a Mr. Stripling (Harris Stripling, I believe), who ran a butcher shop &amp; general store in Warwick. My grandfather and Mr. Stripling are both gone now of course, but Stripling&#039;s General Store is still there, located now on the outskirts of Cordele. They still produce some of the best sausage I have ever eaten in my life. I don&#039;t know if they still do their own killing, but I do know the pork is fresh and local, and that I am apparently a shill for their company now. Pardon the digression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandfather was a hog farmer in south Georgia. At one time, he was one of the largest pork suppliers in the state, but that was back in the 60&#8242;s. I have only the most vague childhood memory of the few hogs he had left back in the 80&#8242;s before he retired completely.</p>
<p>The method you describe for butchering sounds similar to how he would do it (though admittedly, he was more interested in selling the livestock and leaving the heavy lifting to his customers). It&#8217;s interesting to see that you up there in West-by-God-Virginia do it pretty much the same way as people down in south Georgia. From what I&#8217;ve read, this method is/was also common in rural Britain (at least in Yorkshire).</p>
<p>My grandfather used to sell to a Mr. Stripling (Harris Stripling, I believe), who ran a butcher shop &#038; general store in Warwick. My grandfather and Mr. Stripling are both gone now of course, but Stripling&#8217;s General Store is still there, located now on the outskirts of Cordele. They still produce some of the best sausage I have ever eaten in my life. I don&#8217;t know if they still do their own killing, but I do know the pork is fresh and local, and that I am apparently a shill for their company now. Pardon the digression.</p>
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		<title>By: Ito Kagehisa</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-692570</link>
		<dc:creator>Ito Kagehisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the narrative, lilomar!  I hadn&#039;t heard of the .22 trick before (and would be hesitant to try it).

Boondocker, thermometers are fragile, unreliable, and easily lost (not to mention expensive) compared to the hands you&#039;ve already got.  lilomar&#039;s method is better.

Xeni, I try to ignore the hatred and bile that vegetarians constantly direct against people with natural diets, but sometimes I just have to break out with &quot;Carrot Juice is Murder&quot; by the Arrogant Worms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM

^-^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the narrative, lilomar!  I hadn&#8217;t heard of the .22 trick before (and would be hesitant to try it).</p>
<p>Boondocker, thermometers are fragile, unreliable, and easily lost (not to mention expensive) compared to the hands you&#8217;ve already got.  lilomar&#8217;s method is better.</p>
<p>Xeni, I try to ignore the hatred and bile that vegetarians constantly direct against people with natural diets, but sometimes I just have to break out with &#8220;Carrot Juice is Murder&#8221; by the Arrogant Worms.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM</a></p>
<p>^-^</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>arkizzle / Moderator</dc:creator>
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		<description>I peeled a pig&#039;s face off its skull bared-handed once. Scooped the brains out the little hole inside too. Then boiled it, to clean the bone. Worked great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I peeled a pig&#8217;s face off its skull bared-handed once. Scooped the brains out the little hole inside too. Then boiled it, to clean the bone. Worked great.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerril</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691044</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerril</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;gives one exactly the same feeling as a slave must have felt when reading the bad excuses for oppression in the 1800s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, because you, my friend, are not a pig. And no matter how sympathetic you feel to the plight of our fellow animals, you remain not a pig, and thus are not in the situation of the slave.

At best, you are the equivalent of a white anti-slavery activist.

To pretend otherwise is to frankly minimize and ridicule the suffering of the slaves you compare yourself to, much as comparing almost anything to the Holocaust belittles and minimizes the tragedy of that event. Which is why everyone makes fun of people who invoke Nazis in any conversation they find controversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>gives one exactly the same feeling as a slave must have felt when reading the bad excuses for oppression in the 1800s.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, because you, my friend, are not a pig. And no matter how sympathetic you feel to the plight of our fellow animals, you remain not a pig, and thus are not in the situation of the slave.</p>
<p>At best, you are the equivalent of a white anti-slavery activist.</p>
<p>To pretend otherwise is to frankly minimize and ridicule the suffering of the slaves you compare yourself to, much as comparing almost anything to the Holocaust belittles and minimizes the tragedy of that event. Which is why everyone makes fun of people who invoke Nazis in any conversation they find controversial.</p>
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		<title>By: dbarak</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691057</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even before I became a vegetarian, I was never impressed with people making a mockery of the animals that feed them.</description>
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		<title>By: Jamie Sue</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691316</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have at it! As for me... the mere description is stomach turning.  :)</description>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691586</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s more &quot;awesome&quot; than fake chemical-laden butter substitutes made with artificially hydrogenated fats. 

But I personally am experimenting with a diet that involves more plant oils: flax, olive, coconut, sesame, and so on. And those fats can also be delicious and satisfying. There are many sources of awesome, and they don&#039;t *have* to be from animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s more &#8220;awesome&#8221; than fake chemical-laden butter substitutes made with artificially hydrogenated fats. </p>
<p>But I personally am experimenting with a diet that involves more plant oils: flax, olive, coconut, sesame, and so on. And those fats can also be delicious and satisfying. There are many sources of awesome, and they don&#8217;t *have* to be from animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691077</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in Europe is a daily reminder of where food comes from -- in a very good way.  Heads and feet are still on poultry bought in markets (and frequently in supermarkets), fish are bought whole (and cleaned by the fishmonger), and rabbits and pheasants are hanging in the butcher shop in the fall.  Offal of all varieties is a regular offering, as are heads and tails and trotters.

It&#039;s just accepted that this animal died for your dinner -- but there is so much care (to the point of reverence) taken with the preparation of meats that it does pay tribute to the producers who brought it to you (and the animal that gave its life).

It&#039;s the same with other things, too -- eggs might be a little dirty (but omg so fresh and so tasty), and dirt clings to carrots and potatoes -- along with reminding you where it came from, the system here also reinforces that what you buy from local producers is fresh and real, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in Europe is a daily reminder of where food comes from &#8212; in a very good way.  Heads and feet are still on poultry bought in markets (and frequently in supermarkets), fish are bought whole (and cleaned by the fishmonger), and rabbits and pheasants are hanging in the butcher shop in the fall.  Offal of all varieties is a regular offering, as are heads and tails and trotters.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just accepted that this animal died for your dinner &#8212; but there is so much care (to the point of reverence) taken with the preparation of meats that it does pay tribute to the producers who brought it to you (and the animal that gave its life).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same with other things, too &#8212; eggs might be a little dirty (but omg so fresh and so tasty), and dirt clings to carrots and potatoes &#8212; along with reminding you where it came from, the system here also reinforces that what you buy from local producers is fresh and real, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691082</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you comparing slaves to pigs? I&#039;m confused.</description>
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		<title>By: zikzak</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-692371</link>
		<dc:creator>zikzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all their enthusiasm about transcending humanity and expanding concepts of sentience to include modified intelligences and/or machines, technology geeks are some of the most outspoken traditionalists I&#039;ve encountered when it comes to animal rights.

I chalk it up to a subcultural narrative which pits pragmatic, rational geeks against touchy-feely illogical hippies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all their enthusiasm about transcending humanity and expanding concepts of sentience to include modified intelligences and/or machines, technology geeks are some of the most outspoken traditionalists I&#8217;ve encountered when it comes to animal rights.</p>
<p>I chalk it up to a subcultural narrative which pits pragmatic, rational geeks against touchy-feely illogical hippies.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691094</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a lifelong hunter, I appreciate the desire to see where your food comes from. It makes you pause everytime you take a bite of something that used to be a living creature, which is how it should be.

To call this attitude non-progressive is completely backwards. As a society, we will always eat meat. The healthy and responsible choice then, is to take ownership of where it comes from. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a lifelong hunter, I appreciate the desire to see where your food comes from. It makes you pause everytime you take a bite of something that used to be a living creature, which is how it should be.</p>
<p>To call this attitude non-progressive is completely backwards. As a society, we will always eat meat. The healthy and responsible choice then, is to take ownership of where it comes from. </p>
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		<title>By: Bill Albertson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691358</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Albertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Speaking of getting personal with your meat, it&#039;s hard to imagine a more direct challenge to a modern supermarket carnivore&#039;s sensibilities than the task of cleaning a pig&#039;s head.&quot;

I&#039;m Latino.  The above process is done at least annually at my house.  It is called making tamales.  And tamales are tasty.  Wanna know what is in menudo?  Or chorizo?  Because I have made both at home as well.  

When I was a kid I used to butcher chickens I raised every year for the rest of the family coming up from LA.  Only sheltered vegetarians get squeemish about something that is natural as eating bugs or worms if you are lost in the forest.  

I don&#039;t feel any guilt about eating locally raised food- certainly less than corporate farmers should feel about the fish kill numbers and the amount of forestland denuded across the US for mass farmed crops; I hardly think that is much better for the environment than the locally raised organic meat I make a point of buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Speaking of getting personal with your meat, it&#8217;s hard to imagine a more direct challenge to a modern supermarket carnivore&#8217;s sensibilities than the task of cleaning a pig&#8217;s head.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m Latino.  The above process is done at least annually at my house.  It is called making tamales.  And tamales are tasty.  Wanna know what is in menudo?  Or chorizo?  Because I have made both at home as well.  </p>
<p>When I was a kid I used to butcher chickens I raised every year for the rest of the family coming up from LA.  Only sheltered vegetarians get squeemish about something that is natural as eating bugs or worms if you are lost in the forest.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel any guilt about eating locally raised food- certainly less than corporate farmers should feel about the fish kill numbers and the amount of forestland denuded across the US for mass farmed crops; I hardly think that is much better for the environment than the locally raised organic meat I make a point of buying.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691363</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerril: No. The feeling is the same: horror, desperation and anger against might is right excuses for oppression. The intensity and duration of those feelings will differ, no doubt. But none of us are free as long as some remain slaves and we call all feel that, slaves or not.

Gloria: pigs are enslaved, confined, tortured and killed for your pleasure. There is similarity in that oppression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerril: No. The feeling is the same: horror, desperation and anger against might is right excuses for oppression. The intensity and duration of those feelings will differ, no doubt. But none of us are free as long as some remain slaves and we call all feel that, slaves or not.</p>
<p>Gloria: pigs are enslaved, confined, tortured and killed for your pleasure. There is similarity in that oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: voided</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-692155</link>
		<dc:creator>voided</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xeni: maybe the veg-haters felt invited, nay lured, by a post not just celebrating killing and cutting up powerless animals but also mocking the victims through a picture with a pair of sunglasses on a severed head? Veg-hating is a recurring, dominant tone in the Boing Boing comments on animal related posts I&#039;d say. Browse through a couple and you&#039;ll spot it clearly. Animal rights is an issue where the otherwise pretty progressive Boing Boing is in general reactionary. For example, looking back att 2009 how come Jonathan Safran Foer&#039;s great and much discussed book passed you by completely? Heck, he&#039;d even fit perfect as a guest blogger here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xeni: maybe the veg-haters felt invited, nay lured, by a post not just celebrating killing and cutting up powerless animals but also mocking the victims through a picture with a pair of sunglasses on a severed head? Veg-hating is a recurring, dominant tone in the Boing Boing comments on animal related posts I&#8217;d say. Browse through a couple and you&#8217;ll spot it clearly. Animal rights is an issue where the otherwise pretty progressive Boing Boing is in general reactionary. For example, looking back att 2009 how come Jonathan Safran Foer&#8217;s great and much discussed book passed you by completely? Heck, he&#8217;d even fit perfect as a guest blogger here.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691137</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... except for the peeled head, I can&#039;t find anything disturbing there ... in fact, some pics made me hungry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; except for the peeled head, I can&#8217;t find anything disturbing there &#8230; in fact, some pics made me hungry.</p>
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		<title>By: adamnvillani</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-691394</link>
		<dc:creator>adamnvillani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you want healthy food (or as healthy as pork can be..) then the only way to be sure what is in it is to grow/kill it your self.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s awesome for those of you who can do it (honestly, I&#039;m not being facetious), but do realize that it&#039;s just not feasible for most people in the U.S. today. The rest of us are just going to have to trust somebody with our meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you want healthy food (or as healthy as pork can be..) then the only way to be sure what is in it is to grow/kill it your self.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s awesome for those of you who can do it (honestly, I&#8217;m not being facetious), but do realize that it&#8217;s just not feasible for most people in the U.S. today. The rest of us are just going to have to trust somebody with our meat.</p>
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		<title>By: Boba Fett Diop</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/01/19/meet-your-meat.html#comment-690893</link>
		<dc:creator>Boba Fett Diop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another use for bacon fat: greasing your skillet when making cormeal flapjacks/flannel cakes/hoe cakes.</description>
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