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	<title>Comments on: Activist ejected from &quot;public&quot; meeting on secret copyright treaty for&#160;tweeting</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description>In English:

A great article, I love when he says:
&quot;At that time Mr. Armando Manzanero, another person in their midst and Mr. Fernando Hernandez of Amprofon, made a very strange noise like &quot;grrrrgooooggr&quot;.&quot;</description>
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<p>A great article, I love when he says:<br />
&#8220;At that time Mr. Armando Manzanero, another person in their midst and Mr. Fernando Hernandez of Amprofon, made a very strange noise like &#8220;grrrrgooooggr&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>When I was a teen in the 80s I wished my favorite scifi novels would become true one day. It looks like though that only the dystopian ones are being realized.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a teen in the 80s I wished my favorite scifi novels would become true one day. It looks like though that only the dystopian ones are being realized.</p>
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		<title>By: VICTOR JIMENEZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>VICTOR JIMENEZ</dc:creator>
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		<description>Una crÃ³nica genial, me encanta cuando dice:
&quot;En ese momento el Sr. Armando Manzanero, otra persona en medio de ellos y el sr. Fernando HernÃ¡ndez de Amprofon, hicieron un ruido muy raro como: â€œgrrrrgooooggrâ€.&quot;

LetÂ´s see if someone translates it to english. ItÂ´s a funny and acid cronicle of jurasic CEOs in the 21th Century.

&quot;Those modernized younglings dowloading with those MP3s!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Una crÃ³nica genial, me encanta cuando dice:<br />
&#8220;En ese momento el Sr. Armando Manzanero, otra persona en medio de ellos y el sr. Fernando HernÃ¡ndez de Amprofon, hicieron un ruido muy raro como: â€œgrrrrgooooggrâ€.&#8221;</p>
<p>LetÂ´s see if someone translates it to english. ItÂ´s a funny and acid cronicle of jurasic CEOs in the 21th Century.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those modernized younglings dowloading with those MP3s!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kevin143</title>
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		<description>Where is this Twitter account?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>Kevin 143: @MissPirata
Started tweeting from here
http://twitter.com/MissPirata/status/7990299373
Ends here:
http://twitter.com/MissPirata/status/7993284802
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin 143: @MissPirata<br />
Started tweeting from here<br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/MissPirata/status/7990299373" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/MissPirata/status/7990299373</a><br />
Ends here:<br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/MissPirata/status/7993284802" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/MissPirata/status/7993284802</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>Let us hope all the influential people and powers on the side of transparency stand up and make their voices known (meaning you, Cory).</description>
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		<title>By: The Thompson Five</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Thompson Five</dc:creator>
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		<description>Can&#039;t we, the people of Earth, just make our own treaty that does not recognize theirs?  After all there are far more of us then there are of them.  Perhaps it&#039;s time for the internet to bring democracy to all the worlds governments by supplanting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we, the people of Earth, just make our own treaty that does not recognize theirs?  After all there are far more of us then there are of them.  Perhaps it&#8217;s time for the internet to bring democracy to all the worlds governments by supplanting them.</p>
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		<title>By: strangefriend</title>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s the Google translation (slightly better than Babelfish)

&#039;EPTILIA: Chronicle of the meeting in the IMPI by Geraldine Juarez
Por Indie Weblogs @ 20 de January de 2010 &#124; 3 comentarios Â» For Indie Weblogs @ 20 January 2010 &#124; 3 Comments Â»

Reptilia: la fiesta de los dinosaurios se llama ACTA Reptilia: the feast of dinosaurs called RECORD

Por: Geraldine JuÃ¡rez By: Geraldine JuÃ¡rez

Me queda claro, para mÃ­ no hay nada que negociar en torno al #ACTA. I was clear, to me there is nothing to negotiate about the # MINUTES. Me explico, el motivo por el que decidÃ­ asistir a esta reuniÃ³n no fue para negociar mis libertades ni el derecho a un mundo transparente y sin corrupciÃ³n . I mean, the reason I decided to attend this meeting was to negotiate my freedoms and the right to a transparent and corruption-free world. Tampoco para hablar de descargas o que sÃ­ el contenido del ACTA, ya que era obvio que no lo iban a revelar desde el momento que cancelaron el requisito de firmar el acuerdo de no divulgaciÃ³n. Nor to mention that if the downloads or content of the ACT, as it was obviously not going to disclose at the time they were dropping the requirement to sign a nondisclosure agreement.

En twitter lo llaman #ATOLE. In twitter call # ATOL.

Yo asistÃ­ a la consulta del ACTA para cuestionar a las autoridades que negocian este tratado. Fui a preguntar explÃ­citamente los nombres de las empresas que a diferencia de los ciudadanos, sÃ­ han sido tomadas en cuenta. I attended the consultation of the ACT to question authorities who negotiate this treaty. I explicitly asked the names of companies that, unlike citizens, they have been taken into account.

Sigo leyendo los tuits al respecto del ACTA y me queda claro que aquÃ­ lo importante no es en sÃ­ el documento como tal, sino todo lo que implica y desata. I keep reading about ACTA tuits and clear to me that the important thing here is not in itself the document as such, but all that implies and loose. Y eso, como discutÃ­a en IRC con mis amigos, es lo importante en torno al File-Sharing, toda la discusiÃ³n que se ha creado en torno a esta actividad social y la incidencia que nosotros, los internautas tenemos para cuestionar y transformar â€“ o mÃ¡s bien â€“ reconstruir la democracia. And that, as discussed on IRC with my friends, is what is important about File-Sharing, the whole discussion that has been created around this social activity and the impact that we, surfers have to question and transform - or more well - rebuild democracy.

Lo cual aprendimos a valorar de forma orgÃ¡nica a travÃ©s de un nuevo modelo de intercambio, a travÃ©s de la desorganizaciÃ³n y sin darnos cuenta, superamos una visiÃ³n completamente mercantil del mundo para vivir en un mundo conectado por experiencias, no el dinero. Which learned to value organically through a new model of exchange, through the disruption and without realizing it, a completely commercial overcome the world to live in a world connected by experience, not money.

Gran parte de mi vida es el Internet, Â¿por quÃ© no voy a enfrentar a quiÃ©nes quieren controlarlo? Much of my life is the internet, why not go to confront those who want to control? En mi mundo, es considerado un error pensar que la polÃ­tica significa dos o mÃ¡s partes o lados, que discuten con el Ãºnico propÃ³sito de negociar y llegar a un acuerdo. Hay modelos, leyes y costumbres que tienen que ser re-inventados por completo, entre ellos el de la Propiedad Intelectual. In my world, is considered a mistake to think that politics means two or more parties or sides, arguing for the sole purpose of negotiating and reaching an agreement. There are models, laws and customs that have to be completely re-invented, including the Intellectual Property.

Pero bueno, lo que creo que les interesa mÃ¡s: Â¿QuÃ© pasÃ³ esta maÃ±ana? Anyway, what I believe are more interested in: What happened this morning?

Yo asistÃ­ a la consulta del ACTA a pedir explicaciones no a negociar. I attended the consultation to seek explanations ACTA negotiating.

En fin llegue temprano, hice fila para registrarme y adelante de mÃ­ estaba Armando Manzanero y Fernando HernÃ¡ndez de Amprofon. In order to come early, and I lined up to register ahead of me was Armando Manzanero AMPROFON and Fernando Hernandez. Lo primero que escuchÃ© al llegar a esta reuniÃ³n es al Sr. HernÃ¡ndez decir a Manzanero: â€œla juventud estÃ¡ muy modernizada y bajan mÃ¡s con sus mp3&#039;sâ€ . The first I heard on coming to this meeting is to tell Mr. Hernandez Manzanero: &quot;Youth is very modernized and fall more with their mp3&#039;s. Hice bizco, se que son pre-internets peroâ€¦ oufffâ€¦ AsÃ­ empezÃ³ mi encuentro con los rÃ©ptiles de la â€œindustriaâ€ I squint, I know you are pre-internets but ... oufff ... Thus began my encounter with the reptiles of the &quot;industry&quot;

Pues sÃ­, me atrevÃ­ a interrumpir al Sr. Amigo, ya que despuÃ©s de media hora en realidad no habÃ­a dicho nada nuevo, la formalidad y la verborrea polÃ­tica se apoderaba de una reuniÃ³n de la cuÃ¡l solo habÃ­a 2 hrs. Yes, I dared to interrupt Mr. Friend, as after half an hour had not really said anything new, formality and seized the political verbiage of a meeting which had only 2 hrs.
Durante este tiempo cabe mencionar que todos los que presidÃ­an la mesa, no mencionaban la palabra ciudadanÃ­a en ningÃºn momento. During this time it is noteworthy that all who presided over the table, did not mention the word citizenship at any time. Todo era â€œindustriaâ€ y ademÃ¡s todo lo que decÃ­a, ya lo sabÃ­amos, se encuentra en el Internets. Everything was &quot;industry&quot; and also what he said, as we knew, is on the Internets. Tal vez mi error fue pensar que la industria tambiÃ©n lo sabÃ­a. Maybe my mistake was thinking that the industry knew it. Amigo anunciÃ³ su formato, y le pedÃ­ que mejor nos dejara hacer preguntas. Friend announced its format, and asked her best to leave us asking questions.

La primer pregunta fue mÃ­a aquÃ­ tal cual mi pregunta: The first question was mine here as is my question:

En su entrevista con Mario Campos (@mariocampos) ( http://imer.gob.mx/programas/antenaradio/2009/11/13/entrevista-con-jorge-amigo-castaneda/ ) comento que, lo cito: â€œjunto con los negociadores de otros paÃ­ses, este nuestro al sector privado. In his interview with Mario Campos (@ mariocampos) (http://imer.gob.mx/programas/antenaradio/2009/11/13/entrevista-con-jorge-amigo-castaneda/) commented that, I quote: &quot;together with negotiators from other countries, that our private sector. Porque finalmente, el sector privado conoce el mercado, segundo tienen mucho mÃ¡s informaciÃ³n, y tercero: una de dos, o son los mÃ¡s afectados yo son los que tienen mÃ¡s ideas que darnos, para mejorar esta marcoâ€ Mario Campos le pregunto acerca de incluir a los usuarios y los proveedores de servicios en la discusiÃ³n. Because finally, the private sector knows the market, second have much more information, and third, one of two, or I are most affected are those that give us more ideas to improve this framework &quot;Mario Campos asked about including users and service providers in the discussion. Usted contestÃ³ â€ Cuando digo sector privado, me refiero a todos, usuarios, y proveedores de servicios.â€ You said &quot;When I say private sector, I mean all, users and service providers.&quot;

Los usuarios no somos el sector privado, somos internautas y ciudadanos, quienes a diferencia de la MPAA, RIIA, BSA,Pfizer, Walt Disney, Time Warner, Sony, News Corporation y grupos de cabildeo como Gorlin Group que representan a empresas como Microsoft, Montsanto, DuPont, GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer ,Procter &amp; Gamble y Schering Plough â€“ si han tenido acceso a este texto a nivel internacional. Users are not the private sector and citizens are Internet users, who unlike the MPAA, RIAA, BSA, Pfizer, Walt Disney, Time Warner, Sony, News Corporation and lobbies as Gorlin Group representing companies like Microsoft, Monsanto, DuPont, GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Procter &amp; Gamble and Schering Plow - if they had access to text internationally.

Â¿Quisiera me proporcione los nombres de las empresas que han tenido acceso al texto del ACTA y les han dado ideas para mejorar el marco de este tratado en nuestro paÃ­s? Would you like to give me the names of companies that have access to the ACTA text and gave them ideas to improve the framework of this treaty in our country?

El Sr. Jorge Amigo me respondiÃ³ que esto era categÃ³ricamente falso. Mr. Jorge Amigo replied that this was categorically false. Que es totalmente falso: el ACTA no tiene ningÃºn capÃ­tulo dedicado a farmacÃ©uticas. Esto es muy bueno saberlo, por cierto y ahora podremos informar a la comunidad internacional, esta comunicaciÃ³n. That is totally false: The ACT has no chapter devoted to pharmaceuticals. This is very good to know, by the way and now we can inform the international community, this communication.

En fin, no me contesto, no me dio ni un nombre. Anyway, did not answer me, nor I gave it a name.

Gilda GonzÃ¡lez Carmona comentÃ³ que los textos no han sido revelados a ninguna empresa en reuniones oficiales. EntendÃ­, pero volvÃ­ a cuestionar que el Sr. Amigo lo dijo en la entrevista. Gilda Gonzalez Carmona said that the texts were not disclosed to any business in formal meetings. I understood, but again questioned that Mr. Friend said in the interview. Unas vueltecitas, unos abucheÃ­tos de los dinosaurios y bueno. A little walk, some of the dinosaurs and abucheÃ­tos good. Nada. Nothing.

Finalmente solo le dije una cosa que me parecÃ­a importante: Que la piraterÃ­a en Internet se llama File-Sharing y que el File â€“ Sharing no es contrabando ni falsificaciÃ³n. Finally I said only one thing that seemed important: that Internet piracy called File-Sharing and the File - Sharing is not contraband or counterfeit.

En ese momento el Sr. Armando Manzanero, otra persona en medio de ellos y el sr. At that time Mr. Armando Manzanero, another person in their midst and sr. Fernando HernÃ¡ndez de Amprofon, hicieron un ruido muy raro como: â€œgrrrrgooooggrâ€. Fernando Hernandez AMPROFON, made a very strange noise like &quot;grrrrgooooggr.

Mi postura por lo menos habÃ­a sido fijada. My position at least had been set.

Yo tuitueba, porque pues la Ãºnica cosa a la que voy a meterme a la boca del leÃ³n es claro, a tuitear como dice @andreslajous ( http://andreslajous.blogs.com/alternativa_joven/2009/10/144-horas-de-adrenalina-internetnecesario.html ) LOL. I tuitueba, because then the only thing I&#039;m going to get into the lion&#039;s mouth is clear, as stated @ andreslajous tuit (http://andreslajous.blogs.com/alternativa_joven/2009/10/144-horas-de -adrenaline-internetnecesario.html) LOL.

Un guardia o algo por el estilo, se acercÃ³ a mÃ­ para pedirme que dejarÃ¡ de usar mi telefono, trate de evadirlo diciÃ©ndole que me dejarÃ¡ escuchar y que nadie me habÃ­a dicho que no podÃ­a entrar con mi telÃ©fono. A guard or something, approached me and asked me to stop using my phone, try to avoid him saying I will listen and no one had told me that I could not take my phone. Si no lo guardaba me iban a sacar. http://tweetphoto.com/9147506 If not I would be kept out. Http://tweetphoto.com/9147506

Pues bueno, saque mi cuaderno y mi pluma. Well then, take out my notebook and my pen. Apuntes AFK. Notes AFK. La situaciÃ³n era tensa. The situation was tense. DespuÃ©s de mi hablÃ³ el representante de la MPAA y dijo que le parecÃ­a bueno que estuvieran reunidos los diferentes representantes de la industria reunidos con los ciudadanos. HabÃ­a mucha industria, todos de traje, algunos de edad avanzada otros muy jÃ³venes como para pertencer a la industria mÃ¡s moribunda del planeta. After I spoke to the representative of the MPAA and said it looked good they were together the various industry representatives met with citizens. There was much industry, all in suits, some older some very young and chosen from the industry more dying planet.

Pero bueno, Jorge Amigo despuÃ©s aprovecho la oportunidad para agradecer al Sr. Armando Manzanero su presencia en la reuniÃ³n y celebrar su interÃ©s y trabajo por los Derechos de Autor. But hey, Jorge Amigo then take this opportunity to thank Mr. Armando Manzanero their presence at the meeting and hold their interest and work by Copyright. TambiÃ©n mencionÃ³ que de esta reuniÃ³n podrÃ­an surgir fructÃ­feras interacciones con personas como yo. He also mentioned that this meeting could occur fruitful interactions with people like me.

DespuÃ©s no sÃ© quiÃ©n era, sin embargo aprovecho su intervenciÃ³n para decir que esto no era un foro polÃ­tico, refiriÃ©ndose a las intervenciones ciudadanas. After do not know who was nevertheless used his speech to say that this was not a political forum, referring to citizen intervention. AhÃ­ la verdad se me nublo la vista, trate de centrar mi mirada y dirigÃ­ mi lÃ¡ser a sus ojos para decirle contundentemente ya la cara que absolutamente TODO es polÃ­tico . There&#039;s really clouds my view, try to focus my eyes and ran my laser eyes to tell him bluntly and face that absolutely everything is political. Tal vez ese es el problema de la democracia actual: la creencia de que se puede separar lo polÃ­tico de tu existencia diaria. Perhaps that is the problem of democracy today: the belief that politics can be separated from your daily existence. En fin. Finally.

Sigue la farsa. Follow the farce. Mi amigo @antoniomarvel hizo su intervenciÃ³n con respecto a la contradicciÃ³n que existiÃ³ en torno al Acuerdo de No confidencialidad. Pueden leer su excelente opiniÃ³n aquÃ­. My friend @ antoniomarvel made his comments on the contradiction that existed around No confidentiality agreement. You can read his excellent review here.

El maestro Pisanty tambiÃ©n intervino para pedir que se considerÃ© a la comunidad tÃ©cnica y acadÃ©mica, que al final son los que le saben bien como hacer que su â€œcontenidoâ€ pase de tubo a tubo. The teacher also intervened to ask Pisanty which considers technical and academic community, which ultimately are the ones who understand how to make your &quot;contents&quot; pass from tube to tube. Supongo que pronto el mismo puede dar su crÃ³nica de los hechos. I guess soon it can give his account of the facts.

DespuÃ©s creo que la Business Software Alliance intervino para pedir que por favor trabajemos que querÃ­an ver el texto, que estÃ¡n muy entusiasmados por este acuerdo y que por favor nos concentremos en eso. Then I think the Business Software Alliance intervened to ask that you please work they wanted to see the text, are very excited about this agreement and to please us to focus on that.

En serio, Â¿alguien creÃ­a que iban a mostrar el texto a estas alturas? Yo como no les creo que nada, estoy segura de que se hacen tontos, pero a veces dudo. Seriously, someone thought would show the text at this point? I do not think like anything, I&#039;m sure are stupid, but sometimes I wonder. Hay veces que pienso que el tiempo se parÃ³ en un lugar alrededor del 2003 para ellos. Sometimes I think that time stopped at a place around 2003 for them.

En fin. Finally. LeÃ³n Felipe intervino para hablar de los derechos que hoy en dÃ­a tenemos y los rÃ©ptiles, tal cual mafia organizada, lo abuchearon. Leon Felipe intervened to speak of rights we have today and reptiles, as it organized mafia, booed him. Yo no soporte eso. I do not support that. VolteÃ© y tuve enfrente de mÃ­ a una escena de Jurassic Park a la que enfrente preguntÃ¡ndoles Â¿quÃ© les pasa? I turned and I had before me a scene from Jurassic Park to face questions that what happens? Ustedes son la industria, son 500 (exagere) y nosotros somos ciudadanos que tenemos derecho a saber que esta pasandoâ€. La respuesta de los viejos en traje fueron gritos de Â¡Fuera! You are the industry are 500 (exaggerate) and we are citizens who are entitled to know what is happening. &quot;The response of old people in costume were shouting out! Yo, tuiteaba. I, tuit.

Jorge Amigo en ese momento dijo: â€œMe informan que se estÃ¡ diciendo en Twitter lo que estÃ¡ pasandoâ€ Gilda GonzÃ¡lez se apresurÃ³ a seÃ±alarme y decir â€œAquÃ­, aquÃ­â€. Jorge Amigo at the time said: &quot;I report that is being said on Twitter what&#039;s happening&quot; Gilda Gonzalez was quick to point and say &quot;Here, here. Y bueno, o le paraba a me salÃ­a. And well, or you stopped coming to me. Me salÃ­, no estoy dispuesta a ser parte de esto. I got out, I&#039;m not willing to be part of it. Yo, no soy como ellos, que no confÃ­en en mi buena voluntad, porque no la tengo para nada en secreto. I&#039;m not like them not to trust my good will, because I do not have to anything in secret.

Me salÃ­, enojada sÃ­. Pero tambiÃ©n me quedÃ³ claro que esto es un asunto serio en el cuÃ¡l la autoridad apoya a la industria pÃºblicamente y que no esta dispuesta a ceder por una ciudadana con una postura que disiente completamente, no solo en cuanto al proceso de negociaciÃ³n del ACTA , sino de la penosa injerencia de la industria del entretenimiento en para controlar la libertad de mi paÃ­s y en mi mundo: Internet. I got out, angry yes. But I also became clear that this is a serious matter in which the authority supports the industry and public that is not willing to give a citizen who disagrees with my position completely, not only in terms of process ACTA negotiations, but the painful interference in the entertainment industry to control freedom of my country and my world: the Internet.

Esto no es cuestiÃ³n de mÃºsica y descargas al menos para mÃ­. This is not about music and downloads at least for me. El concebir a Internet como una infraestructura que sirve Ãºnicamente para trasferir contenido es completamente anticuado y carece de validez para mÃ­. Internets es acerca de libertad, democracia, sociedad, conocimiento, creatividad y tambiÃ©n, innovaciÃ³n, modelos de negocio, industrias y â€œcontenidoâ€. Comprehending the Internet as an infrastructure that serves only to transfer content is completely outdated and invalid to me. &quot;Internets is about freedom, democracy, society, knowledge and creativity, innovation, business models, industries, and content .

Probablemente ACTA siga, siga y siga. MINUTES probably follow, follow and follow. Los tratados internacionales tardan aÃ±os en negociarse y el Senado aÃºn tendrÃ­a que ratificar este acuerdo. International treaties take years to negotiate and Senate would still have to ratify this agreement. Pero mientras tanto, porque no modificar la legislaciÃ³n nacional como Jorge Amigo lo afirmÃ³, al anunciar que ha estado trabajando con el Senado o Congreso (no recuerdo, perdÃ³n) para hacer reformas de Propiedad Intelectual. Para Jorge Amigo, legislar para el beneficio de un grupo es no es lo mÃ¡s grave, lo peor â€œserÃ­a que desapareciera una industriaâ€. But meanwhile, because they modify national legislation as it said Jorge Amigo, to announce that it has been working with the Senate or Congress (I forget, sorry) for reform of Intellectual Property. For Jorge Amigo, legislate for the benefit of a group is not the worst, worst &quot;would be an industry disappeared.

Me queda claro que esta industria es pre-internet, entiendo pero rechazo completamente que un grupo desahuciado por su avaricia, ignorante de la economÃ­a digital y empeÃ±ado en criminalizar a mi generaciÃ³n, sean quienes mi gobierno faculta para opinar en torno al internets. Clear to me that this industry is pre-internet, but I reject completely understand that a group evicted by their greed, ignorant of the digital economy and committed to criminalize my generation, my government who are empowered to say about the internets.

La complacencia del IMPI por proteger solo a esta industria, el Sr. Amigo contradiciendo su entrevista, la patÃ©tica actitud de la Sra. GonzÃ¡lez, los dinosaurios abucheando ciudadanos, la falta de coherencia, la secrecÃ­a y en fin, la actitud reptÃ­lica que afortunadamente manifiesta el ACTA, son un insulto. The complacency of the GRI to protect this industry alone, Mr. Friend contradicting his interview, the pathetic attitude of Ms. Gonzalez, dinosaurs booing citizens, lack of consistency, secrecy and finally, the attitude expressed fortunately reptiles the ACT, are an insult.
Te interesa: Interested:

    * No al #ACTA: Carta dirigida a Jorge Amigo del IMPI (2) No to # RECORD: Letter to Jorge Amigo IMPI (2)
    * Geraldine JuÃ¡rez le escribe a Jorge Amigo sobre #ACTA (2) Geraldine Juarez wrote to Jorge Amigo on # ACT (2)
    * Hay de piratas a piratas #ACTA (4) There are pirates pirates # ACT (4)
    * #ACTA en MÃ©xico (2) # ACT in Mexico (2) 

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Te interesa: Interested:

    * No al #ACTA: Carta dirigida a Jorge Amigo del IMPI (2) No to # RECORD: Letter to Jorge Amigo IMPI (2)
    * Geraldine JuÃ¡rez le escribe a Jorge Amigo sobre #ACTA (2) Geraldine Juarez wrote to Jorge Amigo on # ACT (2)
    * Hay de piratas a piratas #ACTA (4) There are pirates pirates # ACT (4)
    * #ACTA en MÃ©xico (2) # ACT in Mexico (2) 

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Escrita por Indie Weblogs el 20 de January de 2010 Written by Indie Weblogs on 20 January 2010
CategorÃ­as: Capital Social , bloggers , revolucion Categories: Social Capital, bloggers, revolution
Tags: #ACTA , impi . Tags: # ACT, impi.
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      Julio Adrian , opinÃ³: Adrian in July, said:
      January 20, 2010 @ 23:15 January 20, 2010 @ 23:15

      no te conosco, pero andamos en la misma lucha, eso nos hace compaÃ±eros. no te conosco, but we walk in the same struggle, that makes us partners. y ese comentario que haces â€œTal vez ese es el problema de la democracia actual: la creencia de que se puede separar lo polÃ­tico de tu existencia diariaâ€ es algo que debemos hacer saber a la gente desinteresada de lo que sucede hoy, nos solo con el #ACTA, sino con el TLC en MÃ©xico, privatizaciÃ³n de sectores estratÃ©gicos, la vacuna de prueba de la influenzaâ€¦ . and that comment that you &quot;Maybe that&#039;s the problem of democracy today: the belief that politics can be separated from your daily existence is something we must do unselfish people know what is happening today, we are alone with the # ACT, but with NAFTA in Mexico, privatization of strategic sectors, the vaccine influenza test .... Gracias por tu crÃ³nica. Thanks for your report. Y no se que se queja el Manzanero, si nadie baja sus discos. And do not complain that the Manzanero, if no one goes his records. Les han hecho creer a los â€œartistasâ€(o los han obligado a creer), que sino ganan bien, es culpa de la piraterÃ­aâ€¦ y no de que las disqueras se llevan casi todo el pastel. They have been led to believe &quot;artists&quot; (or forced them to believe), but earn it, it is because of piracy ... not that the record companies take most of the cake.
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      Alexandro Colorado , opinÃ³: Andrew Brown, said:
      January 23, 2010 @ 13:39 January 23, 2010 @ 13:39

      Una pequeÃ±a recomendacion, agarra un software como OpenOffice.org Impress, has una presentacion de unas 5-7 diapositivas. A small recommendation, grab software such as OpenOffice.org Impress, a presentation has slides from a 5.7.

      Luego agarra un software como audacity, y explica tus puntos y subelos a Slideshare como un slidecast. Then grab a software like audacity, and explain your points and upload them to Slideshare as a slidecast. Esto sera mucho mas facil que un video pero con el mismo impacto (o muy similar). This will be much easier than a video but with the same impact (or very similar).

      Luego esto lo podremos distribuir de una forma facil de digerir para mas gente sobre que es ACTA y por que me debe importar. Then you can distribute it in an easy to digest for most people about it and that ACTA should I care.

      Creo que es importante dos cosas: I think it important two things:
      - Divulgar este mensaje - Disseminate this message
      - Saber como actuar - Know how to act

      Creo que Emilio tuvo una gran idea al impulsar al Senado a actuar con lo de ACTA, pero creo que hay otros caminos tambiÃ©n para exponer a estas personas inclusive actuar ya sea de forma legal, o de forma que otros organismos les hagan sacar cuenta. I think that Emile had a great idea to push the Senate to act on what the ACT, but I think there are other ways also to expose these people even act either legally, or other agencies so that they do take account.

      Esta gente no la necesitamos, y creo que cualquier persona es reemplazable, asi que si estan fallando, hay caminos para hacer que se expulse si es necesario. These people do not need it, and I think that anyone is replaceable, so if you are failing, there are ways to make it eject if necessary. &#039;



 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s the Google translation (slightly better than Babelfish)</p>
<p>&#8216;EPTILIA: Chronicle of the meeting in the IMPI by Geraldine Juarez<br />
Por Indie Weblogs @ 20 de January de 2010 | 3 comentarios Â» For Indie Weblogs @ 20 January 2010 | 3 Comments Â»</p>
<p>Reptilia: la fiesta de los dinosaurios se llama ACTA Reptilia: the feast of dinosaurs called RECORD</p>
<p>Por: Geraldine JuÃ¡rez By: Geraldine JuÃ¡rez</p>
<p>Me queda claro, para mÃ­ no hay nada que negociar en torno al #ACTA. I was clear, to me there is nothing to negotiate about the # MINUTES. Me explico, el motivo por el que decidÃ­ asistir a esta reuniÃ³n no fue para negociar mis libertades ni el derecho a un mundo transparente y sin corrupciÃ³n . I mean, the reason I decided to attend this meeting was to negotiate my freedoms and the right to a transparent and corruption-free world. Tampoco para hablar de descargas o que sÃ­ el contenido del ACTA, ya que era obvio que no lo iban a revelar desde el momento que cancelaron el requisito de firmar el acuerdo de no divulgaciÃ³n. Nor to mention that if the downloads or content of the ACT, as it was obviously not going to disclose at the time they were dropping the requirement to sign a nondisclosure agreement.</p>
<p>En twitter lo llaman #ATOLE. In twitter call # ATOL.</p>
<p>Yo asistÃ­ a la consulta del ACTA para cuestionar a las autoridades que negocian este tratado. Fui a preguntar explÃ­citamente los nombres de las empresas que a diferencia de los ciudadanos, sÃ­ han sido tomadas en cuenta. I attended the consultation of the ACT to question authorities who negotiate this treaty. I explicitly asked the names of companies that, unlike citizens, they have been taken into account.</p>
<p>Sigo leyendo los tuits al respecto del ACTA y me queda claro que aquÃ­ lo importante no es en sÃ­ el documento como tal, sino todo lo que implica y desata. I keep reading about ACTA tuits and clear to me that the important thing here is not in itself the document as such, but all that implies and loose. Y eso, como discutÃ­a en IRC con mis amigos, es lo importante en torno al File-Sharing, toda la discusiÃ³n que se ha creado en torno a esta actividad social y la incidencia que nosotros, los internautas tenemos para cuestionar y transformar â€“ o mÃ¡s bien â€“ reconstruir la democracia. And that, as discussed on IRC with my friends, is what is important about File-Sharing, the whole discussion that has been created around this social activity and the impact that we, surfers have to question and transform &#8211; or more well &#8211; rebuild democracy.</p>
<p>Lo cual aprendimos a valorar de forma orgÃ¡nica a travÃ©s de un nuevo modelo de intercambio, a travÃ©s de la desorganizaciÃ³n y sin darnos cuenta, superamos una visiÃ³n completamente mercantil del mundo para vivir en un mundo conectado por experiencias, no el dinero. Which learned to value organically through a new model of exchange, through the disruption and without realizing it, a completely commercial overcome the world to live in a world connected by experience, not money.</p>
<p>Gran parte de mi vida es el Internet, Â¿por quÃ© no voy a enfrentar a quiÃ©nes quieren controlarlo? Much of my life is the internet, why not go to confront those who want to control? En mi mundo, es considerado un error pensar que la polÃ­tica significa dos o mÃ¡s partes o lados, que discuten con el Ãºnico propÃ³sito de negociar y llegar a un acuerdo. Hay modelos, leyes y costumbres que tienen que ser re-inventados por completo, entre ellos el de la Propiedad Intelectual. In my world, is considered a mistake to think that politics means two or more parties or sides, arguing for the sole purpose of negotiating and reaching an agreement. There are models, laws and customs that have to be completely re-invented, including the Intellectual Property.</p>
<p>Pero bueno, lo que creo que les interesa mÃ¡s: Â¿QuÃ© pasÃ³ esta maÃ±ana? Anyway, what I believe are more interested in: What happened this morning?</p>
<p>Yo asistÃ­ a la consulta del ACTA a pedir explicaciones no a negociar. I attended the consultation to seek explanations ACTA negotiating.</p>
<p>En fin llegue temprano, hice fila para registrarme y adelante de mÃ­ estaba Armando Manzanero y Fernando HernÃ¡ndez de Amprofon. In order to come early, and I lined up to register ahead of me was Armando Manzanero AMPROFON and Fernando Hernandez. Lo primero que escuchÃ© al llegar a esta reuniÃ³n es al Sr. HernÃ¡ndez decir a Manzanero: â€œla juventud estÃ¡ muy modernizada y bajan mÃ¡s con sus mp3&#8242;sâ€ . The first I heard on coming to this meeting is to tell Mr. Hernandez Manzanero: &#8220;Youth is very modernized and fall more with their mp3&#8242;s. Hice bizco, se que son pre-internets peroâ€¦ oufffâ€¦ AsÃ­ empezÃ³ mi encuentro con los rÃ©ptiles de la â€œindustriaâ€ I squint, I know you are pre-internets but &#8230; oufff &#8230; Thus began my encounter with the reptiles of the &#8220;industry&#8221;</p>
<p>Pues sÃ­, me atrevÃ­ a interrumpir al Sr. Amigo, ya que despuÃ©s de media hora en realidad no habÃ­a dicho nada nuevo, la formalidad y la verborrea polÃ­tica se apoderaba de una reuniÃ³n de la cuÃ¡l solo habÃ­a 2 hrs. Yes, I dared to interrupt Mr. Friend, as after half an hour had not really said anything new, formality and seized the political verbiage of a meeting which had only 2 hrs.<br />
Durante este tiempo cabe mencionar que todos los que presidÃ­an la mesa, no mencionaban la palabra ciudadanÃ­a en ningÃºn momento. During this time it is noteworthy that all who presided over the table, did not mention the word citizenship at any time. Todo era â€œindustriaâ€ y ademÃ¡s todo lo que decÃ­a, ya lo sabÃ­amos, se encuentra en el Internets. Everything was &#8220;industry&#8221; and also what he said, as we knew, is on the Internets. Tal vez mi error fue pensar que la industria tambiÃ©n lo sabÃ­a. Maybe my mistake was thinking that the industry knew it. Amigo anunciÃ³ su formato, y le pedÃ­ que mejor nos dejara hacer preguntas. Friend announced its format, and asked her best to leave us asking questions.</p>
<p>La primer pregunta fue mÃ­a aquÃ­ tal cual mi pregunta: The first question was mine here as is my question:</p>
<p>En su entrevista con Mario Campos (@mariocampos) ( <a href="http://imer.gob.mx/programas/antenaradio/2009/11/13/entrevista-con-jorge-amigo-castaneda/" rel="nofollow">http://imer.gob.mx/programas/antenaradio/2009/11/13/entrevista-con-jorge-amigo-castaneda/</a> ) comento que, lo cito: â€œjunto con los negociadores de otros paÃ­ses, este nuestro al sector privado. In his interview with Mario Campos (@ mariocampos) (<a href="http://imer.gob.mx/programas/antenaradio/2009/11/13/entrevista-con-jorge-amigo-castaneda/" rel="nofollow">http://imer.gob.mx/programas/antenaradio/2009/11/13/entrevista-con-jorge-amigo-castaneda/</a>) commented that, I quote: &#8220;together with negotiators from other countries, that our private sector. Porque finalmente, el sector privado conoce el mercado, segundo tienen mucho mÃ¡s informaciÃ³n, y tercero: una de dos, o son los mÃ¡s afectados yo son los que tienen mÃ¡s ideas que darnos, para mejorar esta marcoâ€ Mario Campos le pregunto acerca de incluir a los usuarios y los proveedores de servicios en la discusiÃ³n. Because finally, the private sector knows the market, second have much more information, and third, one of two, or I are most affected are those that give us more ideas to improve this framework &#8220;Mario Campos asked about including users and service providers in the discussion. Usted contestÃ³ â€ Cuando digo sector privado, me refiero a todos, usuarios, y proveedores de servicios.â€ You said &#8220;When I say private sector, I mean all, users and service providers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Los usuarios no somos el sector privado, somos internautas y ciudadanos, quienes a diferencia de la MPAA, RIIA, BSA,Pfizer, Walt Disney, Time Warner, Sony, News Corporation y grupos de cabildeo como Gorlin Group que representan a empresas como Microsoft, Montsanto, DuPont, GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer ,Procter &#038; Gamble y Schering Plough â€“ si han tenido acceso a este texto a nivel internacional. Users are not the private sector and citizens are Internet users, who unlike the MPAA, RIAA, BSA, Pfizer, Walt Disney, Time Warner, Sony, News Corporation and lobbies as Gorlin Group representing companies like Microsoft, Monsanto, DuPont, GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Procter &#038; Gamble and Schering Plow &#8211; if they had access to text internationally.</p>
<p>Â¿Quisiera me proporcione los nombres de las empresas que han tenido acceso al texto del ACTA y les han dado ideas para mejorar el marco de este tratado en nuestro paÃ­s? Would you like to give me the names of companies that have access to the ACTA text and gave them ideas to improve the framework of this treaty in our country?</p>
<p>El Sr. Jorge Amigo me respondiÃ³ que esto era categÃ³ricamente falso. Mr. Jorge Amigo replied that this was categorically false. Que es totalmente falso: el ACTA no tiene ningÃºn capÃ­tulo dedicado a farmacÃ©uticas. Esto es muy bueno saberlo, por cierto y ahora podremos informar a la comunidad internacional, esta comunicaciÃ³n. That is totally false: The ACT has no chapter devoted to pharmaceuticals. This is very good to know, by the way and now we can inform the international community, this communication.</p>
<p>En fin, no me contesto, no me dio ni un nombre. Anyway, did not answer me, nor I gave it a name.</p>
<p>Gilda GonzÃ¡lez Carmona comentÃ³ que los textos no han sido revelados a ninguna empresa en reuniones oficiales. EntendÃ­, pero volvÃ­ a cuestionar que el Sr. Amigo lo dijo en la entrevista. Gilda Gonzalez Carmona said that the texts were not disclosed to any business in formal meetings. I understood, but again questioned that Mr. Friend said in the interview. Unas vueltecitas, unos abucheÃ­tos de los dinosaurios y bueno. A little walk, some of the dinosaurs and abucheÃ­tos good. Nada. Nothing.</p>
<p>Finalmente solo le dije una cosa que me parecÃ­a importante: Que la piraterÃ­a en Internet se llama File-Sharing y que el File â€“ Sharing no es contrabando ni falsificaciÃ³n. Finally I said only one thing that seemed important: that Internet piracy called File-Sharing and the File &#8211; Sharing is not contraband or counterfeit.</p>
<p>En ese momento el Sr. Armando Manzanero, otra persona en medio de ellos y el sr. At that time Mr. Armando Manzanero, another person in their midst and sr. Fernando HernÃ¡ndez de Amprofon, hicieron un ruido muy raro como: â€œgrrrrgooooggrâ€. Fernando Hernandez AMPROFON, made a very strange noise like &#8220;grrrrgooooggr.</p>
<p>Mi postura por lo menos habÃ­a sido fijada. My position at least had been set.</p>
<p>Yo tuitueba, porque pues la Ãºnica cosa a la que voy a meterme a la boca del leÃ³n es claro, a tuitear como dice @andreslajous ( <a href="http://andreslajous.blogs.com/alternativa_joven/2009/10/144-horas-de-adrenalina-internetnecesario.html" rel="nofollow">http://andreslajous.blogs.com/alternativa_joven/2009/10/144-horas-de-adrenalina-internetnecesario.html</a> ) LOL. I tuitueba, because then the only thing I&#8217;m going to get into the lion&#8217;s mouth is clear, as stated @ andreslajous tuit (<a href="http://andreslajous.blogs.com/alternativa_joven/2009/10/144-horas-de" rel="nofollow">http://andreslajous.blogs.com/alternativa_joven/2009/10/144-horas-de</a> -adrenaline-internetnecesario.html) LOL.</p>
<p>Un guardia o algo por el estilo, se acercÃ³ a mÃ­ para pedirme que dejarÃ¡ de usar mi telefono, trate de evadirlo diciÃ©ndole que me dejarÃ¡ escuchar y que nadie me habÃ­a dicho que no podÃ­a entrar con mi telÃ©fono. A guard or something, approached me and asked me to stop using my phone, try to avoid him saying I will listen and no one had told me that I could not take my phone. Si no lo guardaba me iban a sacar. <a href="http://tweetphoto.com/9147506" rel="nofollow">http://tweetphoto.com/9147506</a> If not I would be kept out. Http://tweetphoto.com/9147506</p>
<p>Pues bueno, saque mi cuaderno y mi pluma. Well then, take out my notebook and my pen. Apuntes AFK. Notes AFK. La situaciÃ³n era tensa. The situation was tense. DespuÃ©s de mi hablÃ³ el representante de la MPAA y dijo que le parecÃ­a bueno que estuvieran reunidos los diferentes representantes de la industria reunidos con los ciudadanos. HabÃ­a mucha industria, todos de traje, algunos de edad avanzada otros muy jÃ³venes como para pertencer a la industria mÃ¡s moribunda del planeta. After I spoke to the representative of the MPAA and said it looked good they were together the various industry representatives met with citizens. There was much industry, all in suits, some older some very young and chosen from the industry more dying planet.</p>
<p>Pero bueno, Jorge Amigo despuÃ©s aprovecho la oportunidad para agradecer al Sr. Armando Manzanero su presencia en la reuniÃ³n y celebrar su interÃ©s y trabajo por los Derechos de Autor. But hey, Jorge Amigo then take this opportunity to thank Mr. Armando Manzanero their presence at the meeting and hold their interest and work by Copyright. TambiÃ©n mencionÃ³ que de esta reuniÃ³n podrÃ­an surgir fructÃ­feras interacciones con personas como yo. He also mentioned that this meeting could occur fruitful interactions with people like me.</p>
<p>DespuÃ©s no sÃ© quiÃ©n era, sin embargo aprovecho su intervenciÃ³n para decir que esto no era un foro polÃ­tico, refiriÃ©ndose a las intervenciones ciudadanas. After do not know who was nevertheless used his speech to say that this was not a political forum, referring to citizen intervention. AhÃ­ la verdad se me nublo la vista, trate de centrar mi mirada y dirigÃ­ mi lÃ¡ser a sus ojos para decirle contundentemente ya la cara que absolutamente TODO es polÃ­tico . There&#8217;s really clouds my view, try to focus my eyes and ran my laser eyes to tell him bluntly and face that absolutely everything is political. Tal vez ese es el problema de la democracia actual: la creencia de que se puede separar lo polÃ­tico de tu existencia diaria. Perhaps that is the problem of democracy today: the belief that politics can be separated from your daily existence. En fin. Finally.</p>
<p>Sigue la farsa. Follow the farce. Mi amigo @antoniomarvel hizo su intervenciÃ³n con respecto a la contradicciÃ³n que existiÃ³ en torno al Acuerdo de No confidencialidad. Pueden leer su excelente opiniÃ³n aquÃ­. My friend @ antoniomarvel made his comments on the contradiction that existed around No confidentiality agreement. You can read his excellent review here.</p>
<p>El maestro Pisanty tambiÃ©n intervino para pedir que se considerÃ© a la comunidad tÃ©cnica y acadÃ©mica, que al final son los que le saben bien como hacer que su â€œcontenidoâ€ pase de tubo a tubo. The teacher also intervened to ask Pisanty which considers technical and academic community, which ultimately are the ones who understand how to make your &#8220;contents&#8221; pass from tube to tube. Supongo que pronto el mismo puede dar su crÃ³nica de los hechos. I guess soon it can give his account of the facts.</p>
<p>DespuÃ©s creo que la Business Software Alliance intervino para pedir que por favor trabajemos que querÃ­an ver el texto, que estÃ¡n muy entusiasmados por este acuerdo y que por favor nos concentremos en eso. Then I think the Business Software Alliance intervened to ask that you please work they wanted to see the text, are very excited about this agreement and to please us to focus on that.</p>
<p>En serio, Â¿alguien creÃ­a que iban a mostrar el texto a estas alturas? Yo como no les creo que nada, estoy segura de que se hacen tontos, pero a veces dudo. Seriously, someone thought would show the text at this point? I do not think like anything, I&#8217;m sure are stupid, but sometimes I wonder. Hay veces que pienso que el tiempo se parÃ³ en un lugar alrededor del 2003 para ellos. Sometimes I think that time stopped at a place around 2003 for them.</p>
<p>En fin. Finally. LeÃ³n Felipe intervino para hablar de los derechos que hoy en dÃ­a tenemos y los rÃ©ptiles, tal cual mafia organizada, lo abuchearon. Leon Felipe intervened to speak of rights we have today and reptiles, as it organized mafia, booed him. Yo no soporte eso. I do not support that. VolteÃ© y tuve enfrente de mÃ­ a una escena de Jurassic Park a la que enfrente preguntÃ¡ndoles Â¿quÃ© les pasa? I turned and I had before me a scene from Jurassic Park to face questions that what happens? Ustedes son la industria, son 500 (exagere) y nosotros somos ciudadanos que tenemos derecho a saber que esta pasandoâ€. La respuesta de los viejos en traje fueron gritos de Â¡Fuera! You are the industry are 500 (exaggerate) and we are citizens who are entitled to know what is happening. &#8220;The response of old people in costume were shouting out! Yo, tuiteaba. I, tuit.</p>
<p>Jorge Amigo en ese momento dijo: â€œMe informan que se estÃ¡ diciendo en Twitter lo que estÃ¡ pasandoâ€ Gilda GonzÃ¡lez se apresurÃ³ a seÃ±alarme y decir â€œAquÃ­, aquÃ­â€. Jorge Amigo at the time said: &#8220;I report that is being said on Twitter what&#8217;s happening&#8221; Gilda Gonzalez was quick to point and say &#8220;Here, here. Y bueno, o le paraba a me salÃ­a. And well, or you stopped coming to me. Me salÃ­, no estoy dispuesta a ser parte de esto. I got out, I&#8217;m not willing to be part of it. Yo, no soy como ellos, que no confÃ­en en mi buena voluntad, porque no la tengo para nada en secreto. I&#8217;m not like them not to trust my good will, because I do not have to anything in secret.</p>
<p>Me salÃ­, enojada sÃ­. Pero tambiÃ©n me quedÃ³ claro que esto es un asunto serio en el cuÃ¡l la autoridad apoya a la industria pÃºblicamente y que no esta dispuesta a ceder por una ciudadana con una postura que disiente completamente, no solo en cuanto al proceso de negociaciÃ³n del ACTA , sino de la penosa injerencia de la industria del entretenimiento en para controlar la libertad de mi paÃ­s y en mi mundo: Internet. I got out, angry yes. But I also became clear that this is a serious matter in which the authority supports the industry and public that is not willing to give a citizen who disagrees with my position completely, not only in terms of process ACTA negotiations, but the painful interference in the entertainment industry to control freedom of my country and my world: the Internet.</p>
<p>Esto no es cuestiÃ³n de mÃºsica y descargas al menos para mÃ­. This is not about music and downloads at least for me. El concebir a Internet como una infraestructura que sirve Ãºnicamente para trasferir contenido es completamente anticuado y carece de validez para mÃ­. Internets es acerca de libertad, democracia, sociedad, conocimiento, creatividad y tambiÃ©n, innovaciÃ³n, modelos de negocio, industrias y â€œcontenidoâ€. Comprehending the Internet as an infrastructure that serves only to transfer content is completely outdated and invalid to me. &#8220;Internets is about freedom, democracy, society, knowledge and creativity, innovation, business models, industries, and content .</p>
<p>Probablemente ACTA siga, siga y siga. MINUTES probably follow, follow and follow. Los tratados internacionales tardan aÃ±os en negociarse y el Senado aÃºn tendrÃ­a que ratificar este acuerdo. International treaties take years to negotiate and Senate would still have to ratify this agreement. Pero mientras tanto, porque no modificar la legislaciÃ³n nacional como Jorge Amigo lo afirmÃ³, al anunciar que ha estado trabajando con el Senado o Congreso (no recuerdo, perdÃ³n) para hacer reformas de Propiedad Intelectual. Para Jorge Amigo, legislar para el beneficio de un grupo es no es lo mÃ¡s grave, lo peor â€œserÃ­a que desapareciera una industriaâ€. But meanwhile, because they modify national legislation as it said Jorge Amigo, to announce that it has been working with the Senate or Congress (I forget, sorry) for reform of Intellectual Property. For Jorge Amigo, legislate for the benefit of a group is not the worst, worst &#8220;would be an industry disappeared.</p>
<p>Me queda claro que esta industria es pre-internet, entiendo pero rechazo completamente que un grupo desahuciado por su avaricia, ignorante de la economÃ­a digital y empeÃ±ado en criminalizar a mi generaciÃ³n, sean quienes mi gobierno faculta para opinar en torno al internets. Clear to me that this industry is pre-internet, but I reject completely understand that a group evicted by their greed, ignorant of the digital economy and committed to criminalize my generation, my government who are empowered to say about the internets.</p>
<p>La complacencia del IMPI por proteger solo a esta industria, el Sr. Amigo contradiciendo su entrevista, la patÃ©tica actitud de la Sra. GonzÃ¡lez, los dinosaurios abucheando ciudadanos, la falta de coherencia, la secrecÃ­a y en fin, la actitud reptÃ­lica que afortunadamente manifiesta el ACTA, son un insulto. The complacency of the GRI to protect this industry alone, Mr. Friend contradicting his interview, the pathetic attitude of Ms. Gonzalez, dinosaurs booing citizens, lack of consistency, secrecy and finally, the attitude expressed fortunately reptiles the ACT, are an insult.<br />
Te interesa: Interested:</p>
<p>    * No al #ACTA: Carta dirigida a Jorge Amigo del IMPI (2) No to # RECORD: Letter to Jorge Amigo IMPI (2)<br />
    * Geraldine JuÃ¡rez le escribe a Jorge Amigo sobre #ACTA (2) Geraldine Juarez wrote to Jorge Amigo on # ACT (2)<br />
    * Hay de piratas a piratas #ACTA (4) There are pirates pirates # ACT (4)<br />
    * #ACTA en MÃ©xico (2) # ACT in Mexico (2) </p>
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Te interesa: Interested:</p>
<p>    * No al #ACTA: Carta dirigida a Jorge Amigo del IMPI (2) No to # RECORD: Letter to Jorge Amigo IMPI (2)<br />
    * Geraldine JuÃ¡rez le escribe a Jorge Amigo sobre #ACTA (2) Geraldine Juarez wrote to Jorge Amigo on # ACT (2)<br />
    * Hay de piratas a piratas #ACTA (4) There are pirates pirates # ACT (4)<br />
    * #ACTA en MÃ©xico (2) # ACT in Mexico (2) </p>
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Escrita por Indie Weblogs el 20 de January de 2010 Written by Indie Weblogs on 20 January 2010<br />
CategorÃ­as: Capital Social , bloggers , revolucion Categories: Social Capital, bloggers, revolution<br />
Tags: #ACTA , impi . Tags: # ACT, impi.<br />
2 comentarios, agrega el tuyo â†“ 2 comments, add yours â†“</p>
<p>   1.<br />
      Julio Adrian , opinÃ³: Adrian in July, said:<br />
      January 20, 2010 @ 23:15 January 20, 2010 @ 23:15</p>
<p>      no te conosco, pero andamos en la misma lucha, eso nos hace compaÃ±eros. no te conosco, but we walk in the same struggle, that makes us partners. y ese comentario que haces â€œTal vez ese es el problema de la democracia actual: la creencia de que se puede separar lo polÃ­tico de tu existencia diariaâ€ es algo que debemos hacer saber a la gente desinteresada de lo que sucede hoy, nos solo con el #ACTA, sino con el TLC en MÃ©xico, privatizaciÃ³n de sectores estratÃ©gicos, la vacuna de prueba de la influenzaâ€¦ . and that comment that you &#8220;Maybe that&#8217;s the problem of democracy today: the belief that politics can be separated from your daily existence is something we must do unselfish people know what is happening today, we are alone with the # ACT, but with NAFTA in Mexico, privatization of strategic sectors, the vaccine influenza test &#8230;. Gracias por tu crÃ³nica. Thanks for your report. Y no se que se queja el Manzanero, si nadie baja sus discos. And do not complain that the Manzanero, if no one goes his records. Les han hecho creer a los â€œartistasâ€(o los han obligado a creer), que sino ganan bien, es culpa de la piraterÃ­aâ€¦ y no de que las disqueras se llevan casi todo el pastel. They have been led to believe &#8220;artists&#8221; (or forced them to believe), but earn it, it is because of piracy &#8230; not that the record companies take most of the cake.<br />
   2.<br />
      Alexandro Colorado , opinÃ³: Andrew Brown, said:<br />
      January 23, 2010 @ 13:39 January 23, 2010 @ 13:39</p>
<p>      Una pequeÃ±a recomendacion, agarra un software como OpenOffice.org Impress, has una presentacion de unas 5-7 diapositivas. A small recommendation, grab software such as OpenOffice.org Impress, a presentation has slides from a 5.7.</p>
<p>      Luego agarra un software como audacity, y explica tus puntos y subelos a Slideshare como un slidecast. Then grab a software like audacity, and explain your points and upload them to Slideshare as a slidecast. Esto sera mucho mas facil que un video pero con el mismo impacto (o muy similar). This will be much easier than a video but with the same impact (or very similar).</p>
<p>      Luego esto lo podremos distribuir de una forma facil de digerir para mas gente sobre que es ACTA y por que me debe importar. Then you can distribute it in an easy to digest for most people about it and that ACTA should I care.</p>
<p>      Creo que es importante dos cosas: I think it important two things:<br />
      &#8211; Divulgar este mensaje &#8211; Disseminate this message<br />
      &#8211; Saber como actuar &#8211; Know how to act</p>
<p>      Creo que Emilio tuvo una gran idea al impulsar al Senado a actuar con lo de ACTA, pero creo que hay otros caminos tambiÃ©n para exponer a estas personas inclusive actuar ya sea de forma legal, o de forma que otros organismos les hagan sacar cuenta. I think that Emile had a great idea to push the Senate to act on what the ACT, but I think there are other ways also to expose these people even act either legally, or other agencies so that they do take account.</p>
<p>      Esta gente no la necesitamos, y creo que cualquier persona es reemplazable, asi que si estan fallando, hay caminos para hacer que se expulse si es necesario. These people do not need it, and I think that anyone is replaceable, so if you are failing, there are ways to make it eject if necessary. &#8216;</p>
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		<title>By: Afterthought</title>
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		<description>You are a slave, Neo.</description>
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		<title>By: TheCrawNotTheCraw</title>
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		<description>I think the thing to do is to sign the Non-Disclosure Agreement and then disclose *everything*.

How is a semi-secret organization going to sue the discloser, without identifying themselves and making the &quot;secret&quot; information even more public?

I suppose a judge could rule that the agreement was violated and that the particular information was irrelevent and therefore could not be disclosed as a matter of the trial&#039;s proceedings, but the defense attorney could object and claim that the information was *already* in the public domain.  How could the prosecutor prove that it was not, without making a mockery of the whole trial?

Call their bluff.
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<p>How is a semi-secret organization going to sue the discloser, without identifying themselves and making the &#8220;secret&#8221; information even more public?</p>
<p>I suppose a judge could rule that the agreement was violated and that the particular information was irrelevent and therefore could not be disclosed as a matter of the trial&#8217;s proceedings, but the defense attorney could object and claim that the information was *already* in the public domain.  How could the prosecutor prove that it was not, without making a mockery of the whole trial?</p>
<p>Call their bluff.</p>
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