I thought the point of wearing PJs was the convenience — you could just roll out of bed and go, having marinated for eight hours or so in your sheets. I personally take a shower in the morning after getting out of bed, because I had spent the whole day getting progressively less showered. After the shower, I don’t put the same clothes back on, because it’d defeat the point, so I put on new clothes. So yeah, if I see you in your PJs, I automatically think you look unshowered too, whether you are or not.

I think your point about hygiene would be more relevant if people kept clean PJs to wear in their dresser — which, hey, maybe they do.

“Or genuinely gives them the right to project a whole personality and moral-brearing onto the pyjama-wearer, to somehow explain how they thought it was ok to transgress the Sacred Social Dress Code?”

Actually, yeah. Then it’s your right to be outraged about it.

And what’s with the emphasis on “genuinely”? Of course if somebody says something here, unless it’s obviously sarcastic (right), genuineness is probably assumed. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds more like you’re equating “genuinely” with “deeply.” Offense can happen at all kinds of levels; I’m offended if you wipe your nose on your hand on the bus, but I’m also offended if you call me a chink. Doesn’t mean I’m less “genuine” on either account.

“But who the fuck am I to tell you you look like a dick?”

I haven’t told anybody. I feel OK saying so here though, because it’s a discussion on the very point. Somebody just walking on the street isn’t asking for my opinion, so I’m not giving it to them.

“Look dear, he’s wearing a dinner cravat to the opera! Tut! Tut!”

Ah, yes, making snobs at the opera! A time-honoured tradition. I assure you people are perfectly snide at all social levels, despite their cultural leanings.

Agreed! I’m seeing that too. Perhaps the UK has less scary PJers per head of population.

Reminds me of how glad I am that I was born in (and live in) Australia.

I suppose that’s why the bathrobe is so important.

… kudos, though.

Sure if you’re popping out for milk or tooth paste or band-aids at night, or on a camping trip or when you are sick it’s okay to not look your best. We all have been, or will be in that situation at some point. But 80% of the people out in their jim jams at anytime between 9am-9pm are just lazy slobs or college aged girls who think they are being cute. They are not being cute. I’m pretty sure any anti-PJs commenting is aimed at people who have every ability to get dressed but choose not to.

Plus, while comfy is nice, self-respect is even nicer.

Hadlock “Cashier didn’t even bat an eye at the pajama pants.” Oh cashiers blink, it’s just on the inside. They aren’t soulless automatons, they just mostly have the good grace not to give people grief about what isn’t their business. Which more people should do on a regular basis.

A long story that I fear we all share, to some extent.

/I am arkizzle’s green corderoy shame

They’re “dying.” But I know many, many people who have gotten cancer and recovered. As far as I know, none of them ever wore pajamas to the grocery store, but they all went through stages where they were terribly ill and we were very worried about them (one of them told me “I don’t know why I’m even letting them try to save me…it’s just not worth it”—but he recovered and is now fine, in fact he’s about to become a father for the first time). To lump “being very sick with cancer” in with “dying” strikes me as insensitive.

But then, as I said, I’m hypersensitive on this issue. Just explaining where I was coming from.

OK, we clearly have different ideas on both social-expectation and things-to-get-offended-about.

That you get offended by someone wiping their nose on their hand is more than enough for me to think we are not going to see eye to eye, here. Or reading someone else’s hygiene-routine from the clothes they are wearing in the 5 seconds you witnessed them, and within that finding something to form a negative opinion about, means we are probably not going to agree on the rest.

I’m not snubbing you at all, but we are not going to agree about this.

And I meant genuinely, not deeply. Genuinely offended; as opposed to just joining in the poking, but not really caring one way or the other. You sound genuine.

“I assure you people are perfectly snide at all social levels, despite their cultural leanings.”

Fine, classism wasn’t the point I was making.

Only if you think I’m a “raging, self-rightous judgebot” [sic, ouch!]. Maybe you do.

That said, as a man, I realize I’m not Hugh Hefner and don’t wear my PJs in public. But I don’t care if YOU do. It doesn’t affect me in the least.

What was the elephant doing in your pajamas?

;-)