Comments on: Afrikaans rap-rave: Die Antwoord, "Zef Side [Beat Boy]" http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 18 May 2013 12:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Gamaroff http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-724993 Gamaroff Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-724993 I went to their gig on saturday night and a friend of mine managed to shoot this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBuB6kXNGxE I went to their gig on saturday night and a friend of mine managed to shoot this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBuB6kXNGxE

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-709635 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-709635 Ok TuesdayWeld, setting aside the "hiphop from other global cultures," comment which could use a response on its own... With all the white musicians that have actually stolen black music, it's seems kind of weird to me to pick Die Antwoord and Creedence to call out. Die Antwoord's accents seem to me to be completely their own, a bizarre mixture of dutch, south african and american that seems more than a little tongue in cheek. I mean what hiphop culture are they co-opting off with the DSOTM shorts and those dance moves? Their whole thing seems comically not ghetto-ified, and I won't be surprised if Kanye is rocking those shorts in his next video. As Far as Creedence goes, they are from El Cerrito not San Francisco(actually a big difference there) and as much as they were portrayed by others as swamp-rock, they really made up that sound.(or john fogerty did) There's no soul music or louisiana music that sounds like that. Fogerty's stacked vocals are really unique and the sound is a creative invention. You said "plenty of cultures co-opt each other," I think all cultures co-opt each other, that is what cultures do. That is different from having racist undertones, which seems like what you're saying about both these bands. If there is a racist element I think that should be called out. I don't see that here, but if you do, I'd like to read why. Ok TuesdayWeld, setting aside the “hiphop from other global cultures,” comment which could use a response on its own… With all the white musicians that have actually stolen black music, it’s seems kind of weird to me to pick Die Antwoord and Creedence to call out.

Die Antwoord’s accents seem to me to be completely their own, a bizarre mixture of dutch, south african and american that seems more than a little tongue in cheek. I mean what hiphop culture are they co-opting off with the DSOTM shorts and those dance moves? Their whole thing seems comically not ghetto-ified, and I won’t be surprised if Kanye is rocking those shorts in his next video.

As Far as Creedence goes, they are from El Cerrito not San Francisco(actually a big difference there) and as much as they were portrayed by others as swamp-rock, they really made up that sound.(or john fogerty did) There’s no soul music or louisiana music that sounds like that. Fogerty’s stacked vocals are really unique and the sound is a creative invention.

You said “plenty of cultures co-opt each other,” I think all cultures co-opt each other, that is what cultures do. That is different from having racist undertones, which seems like what you’re saying about both these bands. If there is a racist element I think that should be called out. I don’t see that here, but if you do, I’d like to read why.

]]> By: Bill454 http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702980 Bill454 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702980 It is pathetic when Whites try to copy Black rap. You get no respect sucking up to someone else's thing...especially morally bankrupt crap like rap. It is pathetic when Whites try to copy Black rap. You get no respect sucking up to someone else’s thing…especially morally bankrupt crap like rap.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-718085 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-718085 real or not, they're great performers. talent is talent :o real or not, they’re great performers. talent is talent :o

]]> By: dragonfrog http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702726 dragonfrog Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702726 I am speechless with awe. Speechless. I am speechless with awe. Speechless.

]]> By: Percy Sledge http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-703240 Percy Sledge Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-703240 Everybody's favourite part of the video, on repeat. Everybody’s favourite part of the video, on repeat.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-858889 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-858889 get your ZEF So FResH tee at memeteeonline.com :) get your ZEF So FResH tee at memeteeonline.com :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702985 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702985 fooken nice! Love it. fooken nice! Love it.

]]> By: pumeza http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-703245 pumeza Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-703245 The "hype-man/DJ with Progeria", as far as I can tell, is an artist named Leon Botha. He has a current exhibition at the Joao Ferreira gallery in Cape Town: http://www.joaoferreiragallery.com/ His home page is here: http://www.leonbotha.com/ The “hype-man/DJ with Progeria”, as far as I can tell, is an artist named Leon Botha. He has a current exhibition at the Joao Ferreira gallery in Cape Town:

http://www.joaoferreiragallery.com/

His home page is here: http://www.leonbotha.com/

]]> By: CANTFIGHTTHEDITE http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702991 CANTFIGHTTHEDITE Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702991 You trolls have no pride in your work anymore. Whatever happened to subtlety? Back in my day... You trolls have no pride in your work anymore. Whatever happened to subtlety? Back in my day…

]]> By: Hal http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702992 Hal Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702992 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAZTLVJSlNw&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAZTLVJSlNw&feature=player_embedded

]]> By: powermatic http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-703249 powermatic Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-703249 Those are nihilists, Donny, nothing to be afraid of. Those are nihilists, Donny, nothing to be afraid of.

]]> By: Felix Mitchell http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702994 Felix Mitchell Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702994 @ Bill454 #25 You seem to have missed out on a great deal of Earth's culture. There's great rap music done by people of various and mixed colours. Try it sometime. @ Bill454 #25

You seem to have missed out on a great deal of Earth’s culture. There’s great rap music done by people of various and mixed colours. Try it sometime.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-712212 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-712212 I CANT GET ENOUGH OF THIS TRACK I CANT GET ENOUGH OF THIS TRACK

]]> By: pstarr http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702742 pstarr Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702742 straight up hell yes. glad to know my socks can still be knocked off. thanks, bb. straight up hell yes. glad to know my socks can still be knocked off. thanks, bb.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702998 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702998 Sacha? Is that you? Sacha? Is that you?

]]> By: somegeye http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-703254 somegeye Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-703254 Reminds me of the hiphopopotamus... Reminds me of the hiphopopotamus…

]]> By: rose bush http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702744 rose bush Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702744 i'm absolutely positively 100% compelled. now i can't get enough i’m absolutely positively 100% compelled. now i can’t get enough

]]> By: twofivesix http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-703001 twofivesix Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-703001 in case anyone missed it, i want to point out that that second song is riffing on "butterfly" by Smile.dk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wc8r5SoFkI in case anyone missed it, i want to point out that that second song is riffing on “butterfly” by Smile.dk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wc8r5SoFkI

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-703258 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-703258 In the second song - Enter the ninja the part the girl sings. "Ay, Ay, Ay, I am your butterfly" is a rip of the SMiLE.dk song Butterfly - slightly changed from "Ay, Ay, Ay, I'm your little butterfly" link to the SMiLE.dk video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_qwUS8Uqjg&feature=related In the second song – Enter the ninja the part the girl sings. “Ay, Ay, Ay, I am your butterfly” is a rip of the SMiLE.dk song Butterfly – slightly changed from “Ay, Ay, Ay, I’m your little butterfly”

link to the SMiLE.dk video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_qwUS8Uqjg&feature=related

]]> By: kingshaun http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-704027 kingshaun Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-704027 Right you are on both translations there Forkboy. Right you are on both translations there Forkboy.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-793630 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-793630 I don't care how stupid this is... T.H.I.S . F.U.C.K.I.N.G . R.O.C.K.! I don’t care how stupid this is…
T.H.I.S . F.U.C.K.I.N.G . R.O.C.K.!

]]> By: theLadyfingers http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702750 theLadyfingers Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702750 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRzFqW4Xh2k">Jack Parow</a>. Jack Parow.

]]> By: Kameraad Mhambi http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-703263 Kameraad Mhambi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-703263 Guys, also check out http://www.mg.co.za/multimedia/2010-01-14-transcend-and-transgress It's about artist Leon Botha, one of the world’s longest surviving Progeria sufferers, who sometimes opens Die Antwoord's sets as Hip Hop DJ Solarize. Guys, also check out http://www.mg.co.za/multimedia/2010-01-14-transcend-and-transgress

It’s about artist Leon Botha, one of the world’s longest surviving Progeria sufferers, who sometimes opens Die Antwoord’s sets as Hip Hop DJ Solarize.

]]> By: Percy Sledge http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-704287 Percy Sledge Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-704287 I don't think anybody knows for sure, apart from their mothers. Ninja's younger than 40. He first rose to fame in the mid-90s with South African Music Award winning hip hop group The Original Evergreen, then toured the world with the critically aclaimed conceptual hip hop crew Max Normal. He then formed the cartoon hip hop group Constructus Corporation before doing Max Normal.TV, an audiovisual hip hop extravaganza. Now it's Die Antwoord, a zef-hop crew featuring former Max Normal.TV members, DJ Hi Tek and Yo-Lande Vi$$er. Check out The Real Estate Agents, featuring former members of Max Normal and Construcus Corporation. I don’t think anybody knows for sure, apart from their mothers. Ninja’s younger than 40. He first rose to fame in the mid-90s with South African Music Award winning hip hop group The Original Evergreen, then toured the world with the critically aclaimed conceptual hip hop crew Max Normal. He then formed the cartoon hip hop group Constructus Corporation before doing Max Normal.TV, an audiovisual hip hop extravaganza. Now it’s Die Antwoord, a zef-hop crew featuring former Max Normal.TV members, DJ Hi Tek and Yo-Lande Vi$$er.
Check out The Real Estate Agents, featuring former members of Max Normal and Construcus Corporation.

]]> By: Kameraad Mhambi http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-704034 Kameraad Mhambi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-704034 Read this http://mhambi.com/2010/02/ninja-is-the-new-james-phillips/ Read this

http://mhambi.com/2010/02/ninja-is-the-new-james-phillips/

]]> By: dammuzi http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702756 dammuzi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702756 Gangsta rap? You're doin it wrong. Gangsta rap? You’re doin it wrong.

]]> By: Nylund http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-702758 Nylund Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-702758 This is odd stuff. I feel like this makes more sense within the context of District 9 than the real world. This is odd stuff. I feel like this makes more sense within the context of District 9 than the real world.

]]> By: Percy Sledge http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-704295 Percy Sledge Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-704295 I don't think anybody knows for sure, apart from their mothers. Ninja's younger than 40. He first rose to fame in the mid-90s with South African Music Award winning hip hop group The Original Evergreen, then toured the world with the critically aclaimed conceptual hip hop crew Max Normal. He then formed the cartoon hip hop group Constructus Corporation before doing Max Normal.TV, an audiovisual hip hop extravaganza. Now it's Die Antwoord, a zef-hop crew featuring former Max Normal.TV members, DJ Hi Tek and Yo-Lande Vi$$er. Check out The Real Estate Agents, featuring former members of Max Normal and Construcus Corporation. I don’t think anybody knows for sure, apart from their mothers. Ninja’s younger than 40. He first rose to fame in the mid-90s with South African Music Award winning hip hop group The Original Evergreen, then toured the world with the critically aclaimed conceptual hip hop crew Max Normal. He then formed the cartoon hip hop group Constructus Corporation before doing Max Normal.TV, an audiovisual hip hop extravaganza. Now it’s Die Antwoord, a zef-hop crew featuring former Max Normal.TV members, DJ Hi Tek and Yo-Lande Vi$$er.
Check out The Real Estate Agents, featuring former members of Max Normal and Construcus Corporation.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2010/02/01/afrikaans-rap-rave-d.html#comment-703017 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-703017 Hi Felix: What u said. Still, they are amatures who have a lot of personality and they would be Raveups if they would get a good producer to work on their next album.They are like those druzy African diamond beads I like to wear-you would never expect them to be faceted brilliant cut and calibrated, but just polished up a bit with a hole for stringing and they would be very glam. Hi Felix:
What u said. Still, they are amatures who have a lot of personality and they would be Raveups if they would get a good producer to work on their next album.They are like those druzy African diamond beads I like to wear-you would never expect them to be faceted brilliant cut and calibrated, but just polished up a bit with a hole for stringing and they would be very glam.

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