Iceland's paper of record bans linking

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  1. remmelt says:

    YES @ thinkwrap

  2. arikol says:

    “Heimilt er að vísa til forsíðu heimasíðunnar http://www.mbl.is ef heimildar er getið. Hins vegar er endurtekin og kerfisbundin notkun tengla, þ.m.t. djúptengla, þar sem vísað er til einstakra frétta eða annars efnis óheimil.”

    this means (proper translation, not google)
    //
    The http://www.mbl.is frontpage may be linked/referred to(questionable wording) if the source is mentioned. Repeated and systematic use of links, including deep links, where a certain piece of news or other material is referred to is forbidden.
    //

    I see repeated and systematic use as being applicable to pretty much anyone who uses this a lot, like linking to facebook.
    And I’ve sent them a letter.

    They’ve completely overreacted to the online news aggregators (there are a few in iceland which are quite popular, partly due to Mbl making a very unpopular move last year by hiring the former leader of the conservative party (who was also head of the national bank/treasury when the economic collapse came) as their senior editor.

  3. Stooge says:

    bongabonga, yes, it is vague, and deliberately so, just as some of Boingboing’s policies are: “Offensive, inappropriate, or just plain annoying comments may be deleted or disemvoweled.”
    Offensive to whom? What constitutes inappropriate? How many SI units of annoyingness is that? “May be”? Will they or won’t they?
    I guess someone could try to spell all this stuff out explicitly, but there are always specific circumstances which you will not have considered when compiling your behavioural blacklist, so definitions are left somewhat on the broad side to allow for discretion.

    As for your hypothetical discussion in a coffee house, if you were repeatedly and systematically referencing the contents of a newspaper, the manager would probably ask you to leave before everyone else did.

    sleve, just so you know, if you repeatedly and systematically post that link here, you’ll probably find Boing Boing’s moderators will get upset with you a whole lot more quickly than Morgunblaðið does :)

    stanleyk, but that’s only stupid because it’s not true. Nowhere do they say ‘you cannot link to http://www.mbl.is‘.

  4. arkizzle / Moderator says:

    Stooge,

    Arikol’s translation appears to disagree with you.

    • Stooge says:

      arkizzle, you’re confusing arikol’s interpretation with the translation. The key phrase which qualifies their deep-linking (as well as hot-linking, etc) policy is “repeated and systematic”. Arikol maintains that this might include casual linking on something like Facebook, and I disagree.

      The stupidity or otherwise of seeking to ban news aggregators and the like from linking to one’s site is another discussion, but it’s manifestly not the case that they’re seeking to ban everyone (or even just Icelanders) from deep linking.

  5. bongabonga says:

    The vagueness in their wording is what puts me off.

    They mention “repeated” and “systematic” misuse, which is not fully explained. Posting one link to Facebook is then okay (I guess?), but posting another link three days later will under some definition mean “repeated”, and then not allowed.

    They also mention that “electronic copies” of news items are allowed for personal use, but, again, don’t explain what personal use means in this case. Facebook posting, for me, is personal.

    In no way do I feel an entitlement being able to repeat material posted by others (in this case Morgunblaðið), but they are a bleeping newspaper after all, reporting news (or so I hope) — therefore I agree with davenewman, this is unethical, and plain stupid.

  6. maranomynet says:

    Stooge,
    I’m Icelandic so I don’t need to rely on Google Translate.

    The pagte actually says that *all* deep links are forbidden – no exceptions are given.

    However, they do make a single exception for individuals – allowing them some form of direct “quotations”.

    That said, their linking policy a) is dumb, b) won’t hold up in court c) is nothing new, as they’ve been strictly conservative from the beginning, and d) is largely irrelevant since they’re no longer the “paper of record” they used to be.

  7. stanleyk says:

    Stooge,
    the stupid portion is the “can’t tell people the location of a publicly accessible website” part. It matters not at all whether one is “repeatedly and systematically” doing so.

    • bongabonga says:

      Exactly!

      Just imagine if these same rules applied to the printed edition of any news source.

      That means, in a way, that you couldn’t really discuss the NY Times sunday edition at a coffee house (you’d be repeatedly mentioning (linking) verbally to content), or tell your friend where to find the engaging article or interview or discussion or anything of the sort.

      You could, however, say “It’s in the Times,” and let your friend just find it.

      I know I’m taking this far, but all this vagueness allows for all sorts of interpretation. This is just one.

  8. Antinous / Moderator says:

    It’ll be just like an artist, architect or photographer website. Will they go to all Flash, as well?

  9. jphilby says:

    Never mind that. WHAT HAPPENED in Iceland? 16 months ago: http://boingboing.net/2008/10/14/what-its-like-in-ice.html : they were in deep doo-doo and the whole country was bankrupt. Yet they’re all still there. What’s it like now?

  10. Not a Doktor says:

    Bankers ruin everything.

  11. wqoq says:

    Can anyone who isn’t an Icelander still deep link? :)

  12. Stooge says:

    Cory, a Google translation of the page suggests you’ve been misinformed: they’ve got nothing against normal people, they just don’t want other sites ripping off their content wholesale.

  13. Anonymous says:

    This is no crusher for anyone. This newspaper is unfortunately not a viable source of news or commentary anymore. Sadly it has merely become former PM’s David Oddson’s personal megaphone of saving his own butt in regards to what has happened with Iceland’s financial collapse.

    It used to be THE paper. With a whopping subscription rate of 70% + of the country’s households. Now more and more Icelanders have turned their back on it. The last figure I read was more close to 20%.

    So in actual fact. They can have all the linking policies in the world, they just don’t matter anymore.

  14. stoicviking says:

    Well it does say, repeated and systematic use of direct links, which I don’t think would apply in cases of casual references in discussions about news online.

  15. Rob Beschizza says:

    It doesn’t matter how repeated or systematic it is, the entire idea of a unilateral thinkwrap contract that says you can’t tell people the location of a publicly accessible website is completely stupid.

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