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		<title>By: hijukal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717057</link>
		<dc:creator>hijukal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Needs another section, beginning with &quot;If you are a smart paying customer&quot;


Step 1 (complete once per movie)
Insert DVD -&gt; Rip with DVD Decrypter -&gt; Encode just the movie with Handbrake -&gt; Copy to fileserver or HTPC -&gt; 


Step 2 (subsequent watches)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Needs another section, beginning with &#8220;If you are a smart paying customer&#8221;</p>
<p>Step 1 (complete once per movie)<br />
Insert DVD -> Rip with DVD Decrypter -> Encode just the movie with Handbrake -> Copy to fileserver or HTPC -> </p>
<p>Step 2 (subsequent watches)<br />
Watch movie</p>
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		<title>By: Heartfruit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717059</link>
		<dc:creator>Heartfruit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rarely have trouble skipping past the ads and previews on an adult movie, but children&#039;s DVDs are a whole different ball of wax.  To make matters worse, if the movie is a few years old they may well be advertising TV shows or products that are no longer available.  

The fact that my daughter is scared of &quot;play&quot; screens (no I don&#039;t understand it either) and they&#039;ve given me a really good reason to rip the disks I legally own.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely have trouble skipping past the ads and previews on an adult movie, but children&#8217;s DVDs are a whole different ball of wax.  To make matters worse, if the movie is a few years old they may well be advertising TV shows or products that are no longer available.  </p>
<p>The fact that my daughter is scared of &#8220;play&#8221; screens (no I don&#8217;t understand it either) and they&#8217;ve given me a really good reason to rip the disks I legally own.  </p>
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		<title>By: johnofjack</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717571</link>
		<dc:creator>johnofjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criterion are the only people who know how to make a gddmn DVD.  You put it in, you get the menu.  Later you can watch the extras if you want to, and they&#039;re worth it if you do--just like the essays in the booklet--but they&#039;re not in the way.  And the FBI?  Not a mention.  Why?  I bet it&#039;s because Criterion knows that their customers have seen movies at home before, and that warnings do nothing against the determined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criterion are the only people who know how to make a gddmn DVD.  You put it in, you get the menu.  Later you can watch the extras if you want to, and they&#8217;re worth it if you do&#8211;just like the essays in the booklet&#8211;but they&#8217;re not in the way.  And the FBI?  Not a mention.  Why?  I bet it&#8217;s because Criterion knows that their customers have seen movies at home before, and that warnings do nothing against the determined.</p>
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		<title>By: peterbruells</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717061</link>
		<dc:creator>peterbruells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your metaphor ist seriously broken. 

If anything, it&#039;s &quot;dating vs. hookers&quot;.

And only when you limit the field to  &quot;sexual intercourse&quot; , which is only a tiny fraction of dating, unless you are a less than 16 years old.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your metaphor ist seriously broken. </p>
<p>If anything, it&#8217;s &#8220;dating vs. hookers&#8221;.</p>
<p>And only when you limit the field to  &#8220;sexual intercourse&#8221; , which is only a tiny fraction of dating, unless you are a less than 16 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: cstatman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717318</link>
		<dc:creator>cstatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regions really piss me off.   My kid LOVES &quot;Charlie and Lola&quot;  but I can ONLY get season one on Amazon.   Season TWO is available in the UK, but I cannot have him watch it, because our Sony DVD player does not like the region.

I tried to rip it,  that did not exactly go well.

So?  I know every line from every episode of season one

ARGGGGHHHHH

Please let me legally buy a show, without all the poop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regions really piss me off.   My kid LOVES &#8220;Charlie and Lola&#8221;  but I can ONLY get season one on Amazon.   Season TWO is available in the UK, but I cannot have him watch it, because our Sony DVD player does not like the region.</p>
<p>I tried to rip it,  that did not exactly go well.</p>
<p>So?  I know every line from every episode of season one</p>
<p>ARGGGGHHHHH</p>
<p>Please let me legally buy a show, without all the poop.</p>
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		<title>By: Brawndo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717067</link>
		<dc:creator>Brawndo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They left out the greatest irony; the unskippable commercial telling you not to pirate movies.  

WTF?  I BOUGHT IT!  You know who never sees those commercials?  People who pirate movies. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They left out the greatest irony; the unskippable commercial telling you not to pirate movies.  </p>
<p>WTF?  I BOUGHT IT!  You know who never sees those commercials?  People who pirate movies. </p>
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		<title>By: Agies</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717070</link>
		<dc:creator>Agies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those 13 commercials you saw before Avatar have nothing to do with the movie studios. Those were put there by your theatre in an attempt to recoup the cost of that fancy 3D projector they needed to buy.

As far as trailers before DVDs go they aren&#039;t there so much for retail purchasers of DVDs as they are for the people who rent them through Netflix and Redbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those 13 commercials you saw before Avatar have nothing to do with the movie studios. Those were put there by your theatre in an attempt to recoup the cost of that fancy 3D projector they needed to buy.</p>
<p>As far as trailers before DVDs go they aren&#8217;t there so much for retail purchasers of DVDs as they are for the people who rent them through Netflix and Redbox.</p>
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		<title>By: swestcott</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717072</link>
		<dc:creator>swestcott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the way to fix it is not to steal a movie it is not to do business with company that treat you like a thief. you life will not end if you can not watch a movie but stealing is not the way to go </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the way to fix it is not to steal a movie it is not to do business with company that treat you like a thief. you life will not end if you can not watch a movie but stealing is not the way to go </p>
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		<title>By: zio_donnie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717078</link>
		<dc:creator>zio_donnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more like prostitution actually since you pay for a service and you are entitled to it unlike dating.

let&#039;s say you pay a legit hooker for sex but before sex she has to deliver a 15 minute lecture on the immorality and illegality of free sex.

meanwhile there are unauthorized sluts that give you sex for free albeit with the danger of getting STDs or getting busted.

your choice.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more like prostitution actually since you pay for a service and you are entitled to it unlike dating.</p>
<p>let&#8217;s say you pay a legit hooker for sex but before sex she has to deliver a 15 minute lecture on the immorality and illegality of free sex.</p>
<p>meanwhile there are unauthorized sluts that give you sex for free albeit with the danger of getting STDs or getting busted.</p>
<p>your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Slowermo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717082</link>
		<dc:creator>Slowermo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another reason to get rid of the menu screen: They very often put the selections in an area that you can&#039;t see if you&#039;ve changed the aspect ratio on your TV for widescreen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reason to get rid of the menu screen: They very often put the selections in an area that you can&#8217;t see if you&#8217;ve changed the aspect ratio on your TV for widescreen.</p>
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		<title>By: Halloween Jack</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717083</link>
		<dc:creator>Halloween Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy god, could you possibly have made a more stupid and offensive comment? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy god, could you possibly have made a more stupid and offensive comment? </p>
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		<title>By: Laurel L. Russwurm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717340</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurel L. Russwurm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Region Coding &gt;IS&lt; DRM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Region Coding >IS< DRM.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717091</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to understand the mind-set of the advertisers themselves; how on earth is pissing off your potential customer market a good marketing strategy? I personally keep a mental list of &quot;in-your-face&quot; adverts (pop-ups, unskippable ads etc) and vow never in a million years to buy that product. If you want to advertise a product to me, attract my attention in a clever way; don&#039;t shove it in my face!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to understand the mind-set of the advertisers themselves; how on earth is pissing off your potential customer market a good marketing strategy? I personally keep a mental list of &#8220;in-your-face&#8221; adverts (pop-ups, unskippable ads etc) and vow never in a million years to buy that product. If you want to advertise a product to me, attract my attention in a clever way; don&#8217;t shove it in my face!</p>
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		<title>By: nixiebunny</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717604</link>
		<dc:creator>nixiebunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whee! This thread has sure brought out a lot of pent-up something-or-other in people. 

It&#039;s true that most DVDs let you push MENU right after the initial FBI thingie to get right to the second FBI thingie, then the flying logos, then on to the main attraction. But why do they make it so HARD to do this? Once the trailers begin, you can&#039;t escape them. It infuriates me every single time I encounter this anti-user &quot;feature&quot;.

My method of not supporting the companies that foist the annoyance upon us all is to check out the DVD from the public library, thereby depriving the studios of my royalty payments in a totally legal way. 

[And yes, I am married to a librarian. They rock.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whee! This thread has sure brought out a lot of pent-up something-or-other in people. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that most DVDs let you push MENU right after the initial FBI thingie to get right to the second FBI thingie, then the flying logos, then on to the main attraction. But why do they make it so HARD to do this? Once the trailers begin, you can&#8217;t escape them. It infuriates me every single time I encounter this anti-user &#8220;feature&#8221;.</p>
<p>My method of not supporting the companies that foist the annoyance upon us all is to check out the DVD from the public library, thereby depriving the studios of my royalty payments in a totally legal way. </p>
<p>[And yes, I am married to a librarian. They rock.]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717349</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add insult to injury, Warner movies now won&#039;t be available to rent until 28 days after the DVD release.  Once again the movie industry has shown their complete competence in figuring out more and more ways to get me to just pirate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add insult to injury, Warner movies now won&#8217;t be available to rent until 28 days after the DVD release.  Once again the movie industry has shown their complete competence in figuring out more and more ways to get me to just pirate.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McNutt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717097</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael McNutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just DVD&#039;s or your local movie screens, it&#039;s everywhere that &quot;Madison Ave.&quot; looks to shove their crap down your throat while you go about your business. Even this blog where you have drop downs if your cursor hits wrong spot.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just DVD&#8217;s or your local movie screens, it&#8217;s everywhere that &#8220;Madison Ave.&#8221; looks to shove their crap down your throat while you go about your business. Even this blog where you have drop downs if your cursor hits wrong spot.  </p>
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		<title>By: MarkM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-718378</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People actually still buy DVDs?  How quaint.
You know, back in the day, there were stores where you
would /rent/ DVDs.  From a store.  No, really!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People actually still buy DVDs?  How quaint.<br />
You know, back in the day, there were stores where you<br />
would /rent/ DVDs.  From a store.  No, really!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717103</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a young father with a young son and a beautiful blond wife the day I sat down to watch  movie that had a preview for Funny Games. Fortunately I was able to skip the movie preview. I am happy to say that I am still a father with a young son and a beautiful blond wife and now a daughter. I really don&#039;t want to watch Funny Games. The bits that I saw before clicking the skip button were traumatic enough. For some reason - perhaps it was our recent trip to a cottage I identified with the characters. Maybe you think I&#039;m being too sensitive. Oh well. They can put their movie out there (my friends tell me it is a very good movie). I should have the right not to watch it. Or their goddamn preview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a young father with a young son and a beautiful blond wife the day I sat down to watch  movie that had a preview for Funny Games. Fortunately I was able to skip the movie preview. I am happy to say that I am still a father with a young son and a beautiful blond wife and now a daughter. I really don&#8217;t want to watch Funny Games. The bits that I saw before clicking the skip button were traumatic enough. For some reason &#8211; perhaps it was our recent trip to a cottage I identified with the characters. Maybe you think I&#8217;m being too sensitive. Oh well. They can put their movie out there (my friends tell me it is a very good movie). I should have the right not to watch it. Or their goddamn preview.</p>
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		<title>By: greytone</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717104</link>
		<dc:creator>greytone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do what you want &#039;cuz a pirate is free!&quot;  All together now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do what you want &#8216;cuz a pirate is free!&#8221;  All together now!</p>
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		<title>By: mjr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717364</link>
		<dc:creator>mjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hijukai, in many jurisdictions (though possibly not yours) ripping a DRM&#039;d DVD even for your own private use is illegal; so why bother buying it if you&#039;re gonna break the law anyway...

I know this to be the case here in Finland. The article in &quot;previously&quot; is old and was sadly overturned on appeal; we&#039;re trying the European Court of Human Rights but mostly from the angle that forbidding distribution of DeCSS violates free speech (&#039;cause they did that too). (The local appeals court does appear to be taking a fresh look in the matter in another case, so with extremely good luck they also might overturn the previous interpretation still.) It _is_ legal to circumvent DRM but only for your private, personal viewing (not storage).

Also, Finnish law mostly comes from the EU directive; I believe that it&#039;s quite common in the EU these days that even private copies of DRM&#039;d materials are illegal. I believe, but am uncertain, that this is the case for US also what with the DMCA.

Yeah, that means among other things no backing up and no format transformations. Servers you right for _buying_ the stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hijukai, in many jurisdictions (though possibly not yours) ripping a DRM&#8217;d DVD even for your own private use is illegal; so why bother buying it if you&#8217;re gonna break the law anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>I know this to be the case here in Finland. The article in &#8220;previously&#8221; is old and was sadly overturned on appeal; we&#8217;re trying the European Court of Human Rights but mostly from the angle that forbidding distribution of DeCSS violates free speech (&#8217;cause they did that too). (The local appeals court does appear to be taking a fresh look in the matter in another case, so with extremely good luck they also might overturn the previous interpretation still.) It _is_ legal to circumvent DRM but only for your private, personal viewing (not storage).</p>
<p>Also, Finnish law mostly comes from the EU directive; I believe that it&#8217;s quite common in the EU these days that even private copies of DRM&#8217;d materials are illegal. I believe, but am uncertain, that this is the case for US also what with the DMCA.</p>
<p>Yeah, that means among other things no backing up and no format transformations. Servers you right for _buying_ the stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: DrClue</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-729400</link>
		<dc:creator>DrClue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you don&#039;t mind , but that info-graphic was so priceless , I had to pirate it! :)

Not sure where it&#039;s likely to crop up , but I promise not to undercut your profits from it :)

I don&#039;t know , but when DVD pressing costs are at scale , including the box probably less than 25 cents, I feel a little abused at paying a 1600% markup for even a 30 year old movie and 
then as your info-graphic pointed out being subjected to endless commercials.

Of course it&#039;s not enough to sell me the movie once.
First sell it to me on tape with some screwy copy protection
that makes even honest viewing full of this flickering.

Then retire the technology so I have to buy the DVD with some sort
of screwy copy protection so the chances of it playing are sketchy and of course a new machine.

Now retire that technology and bring out Blue-Ray or something 
else and tell me I should again purchase the content and of course the new machine

So buy then , I&#039;ve paid probably over $100 for some 30 year
old movie purchased over and over and I&#039;m then subjected to 
force fed ads to enjoy something I&#039;ve supposedly purchased.

This idea of charging me repeatedly for the same lunch is not new.

Over the air TV I get for &quot;FREE&quot; and watching ads was a reasonable trade. Here in the states , cable TV was originally
sold with the promise that if we paid for the content that 
we would get a clear picture and no commercials , since we had of course paid to view the content. That promise lasted for about a year or until the ink on the legislation dried that made cable operations a legal business.

Now the cable companies have their hand out at every turn, and 
we have wall to wall commercials , including in the package we pay for, channels that pitch things at us in 24/7 commercials.

Corporate back scratching games that attempt to see how many times we can be charged for an Internet connection, despite the fact we can probably only surf one at a time anyways.

Car insurance companies that want to see how many times we can be sold a policy , even though there again , we probably can only physically drive one car at a time , and it&#039;s very unlikely that 
the parked one is going to run into anything.

House insurance companies seeing how many times they can sell 
us that product, saying of course that if your house catches on fire thats one policy , but if the fire&#039;s brother the water comes in you must buy insurance again.

To say that I must be sold a health insurance policy , but 
if my teeth get sick ,I need to buy another policy
if my eyes need attention I need to buy that too.


At the end of all this I say hoist the Jolly Rodger 
as no matter if I dedicated my life to never paying a thing again
I will always be a junior punter in Piracy compared to the 
poor corporate &quot;little red riding hood&quot; victims with those oh so large teeth.

--Doc

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mind , but that info-graphic was so priceless , I had to pirate it! :)</p>
<p>Not sure where it&#8217;s likely to crop up , but I promise not to undercut your profits from it :)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know , but when DVD pressing costs are at scale , including the box probably less than 25 cents, I feel a little abused at paying a 1600% markup for even a 30 year old movie and<br />
then as your info-graphic pointed out being subjected to endless commercials.</p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s not enough to sell me the movie once.<br />
First sell it to me on tape with some screwy copy protection<br />
that makes even honest viewing full of this flickering.</p>
<p>Then retire the technology so I have to buy the DVD with some sort<br />
of screwy copy protection so the chances of it playing are sketchy and of course a new machine.</p>
<p>Now retire that technology and bring out Blue-Ray or something<br />
else and tell me I should again purchase the content and of course the new machine</p>
<p>So buy then , I&#8217;ve paid probably over $100 for some 30 year<br />
old movie purchased over and over and I&#8217;m then subjected to<br />
force fed ads to enjoy something I&#8217;ve supposedly purchased.</p>
<p>This idea of charging me repeatedly for the same lunch is not new.</p>
<p>Over the air TV I get for &#8220;FREE&#8221; and watching ads was a reasonable trade. Here in the states , cable TV was originally<br />
sold with the promise that if we paid for the content that<br />
we would get a clear picture and no commercials , since we had of course paid to view the content. That promise lasted for about a year or until the ink on the legislation dried that made cable operations a legal business.</p>
<p>Now the cable companies have their hand out at every turn, and<br />
we have wall to wall commercials , including in the package we pay for, channels that pitch things at us in 24/7 commercials.</p>
<p>Corporate back scratching games that attempt to see how many times we can be charged for an Internet connection, despite the fact we can probably only surf one at a time anyways.</p>
<p>Car insurance companies that want to see how many times we can be sold a policy , even though there again , we probably can only physically drive one car at a time , and it&#8217;s very unlikely that<br />
the parked one is going to run into anything.</p>
<p>House insurance companies seeing how many times they can sell<br />
us that product, saying of course that if your house catches on fire thats one policy , but if the fire&#8217;s brother the water comes in you must buy insurance again.</p>
<p>To say that I must be sold a health insurance policy , but<br />
if my teeth get sick ,I need to buy another policy<br />
if my eyes need attention I need to buy that too.</p>
<p>At the end of all this I say hoist the Jolly Rodger<br />
as no matter if I dedicated my life to never paying a thing again<br />
I will always be a junior punter in Piracy compared to the<br />
poor corporate &#8220;little red riding hood&#8221; victims with those oh so large teeth.</p>
<p>&#8211;Doc</p>
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		<title>By: Yamara</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717368</link>
		<dc:creator>Yamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clif&#039;s... selective communication skills... aside, rape is one of things actual high seas pirates were and are known for, which leads me to reconsider the actual analogy this post and thread is based on, that of &#039;piracy&#039;.

The usual analysis goes something like, &quot;Filesharing isn&#039;t piracy-- actual pirates murdered, raped and stole-- but theft of goods is an entirely different category of law from copyright infringement!&quot; Which is solid analogy-busting, and (IANAL) legally sound, but... a bit dry, when put like that. Not really a competitive meme against, &lt;b&gt;&quot;The pirate hordes raped my music!!&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

So instead of saying it&#039;s &quot;not piracy&quot;, I think one needs to expand upon this piracy analogy. The imagery is just to rich to set aside.

If people who copy files are like pirates of the high seas then the rest must (analogously) follow:

&#160;&lt;br&gt;

The pirates of the Caribbean would have to be able to sidle up alongside a Spanish galleon of the treasure fleet, &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;copy all the gold inside&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, and then sail away without ever communicating with the galleon&#039;s crew in any way. The original gold, of course, sails on for Spain.

The copied gold can (of course) generate even more gold exactly like itself, much as has been seen in fairy tales and movies for centuries.

The Spanish Empire is outraged. Surely this will cause the collapse of the imperial economy! And so warships are dispatched to sink the pirate ships.

The effort backfires horribly. Not only do they fail to catch more than a few pirates involved in the initial copying, but they randomly attack anyone with copied gold, declaring it &quot;counterfeit&quot;.  But the gold is as real as the original, and Spanish trading partners are dismayed that this effort is driving people away from Spanish-marked doubloons, out of confusion, fear and disgust at these attacks upon the entirely non-violent pirates and their growing legions of friends.

Then some clever Spanish rival asks, Where does &lt;i&gt;authentic&lt;/i&gt; Spanish gold come from? And soon the wider world becomes aware of the coercion and torment that the once-free artisans of the Spanish colonies endure to mine, forge and transport these glittering treasures. Oppression and slavery are plain to see, if anyone looks, at every level of Spanish gold production, rewarding only the &quot;entitled&quot;, whose primary contribution is a ceaseless dose of lecturing that this slavery is for the moral benefit of the enslaved.

Spain is unable to regain its honor in this, as they can demonstrate no tangible harm. Their economy not only does not suffer, but improves due to the better distribution of prosperity the piracy has brought. The choice still lay ahead: Will Spain use its treasure only to fight its own colonies that produce it? Or will it realize that it need the colonies more than they colonies need Spain, and change its ways accordingly?

&#160;&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;i&gt;There&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; the analogy.

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&lt;i&gt;Postscript.&lt;/i&gt; In actual history, of course, plunder and slaves were something rival empires adopted as models from one another, and they felt little shame for it for centuries. Real piracy was often a part of this rivalry, or was inspired by it. But it&#039;s also true that the Spanish Empire collapsed, in large part, because hyperinflation prevented it from financing the rule of its holdings. Hyperinflation brought on by hoarding colonial gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clif&#8217;s&#8230; selective communication skills&#8230; aside, rape is one of things actual high seas pirates were and are known for, which leads me to reconsider the actual analogy this post and thread is based on, that of &#8216;piracy&#8217;.</p>
<p>The usual analysis goes something like, &#8220;Filesharing isn&#8217;t piracy&#8211; actual pirates murdered, raped and stole&#8211; but theft of goods is an entirely different category of law from copyright infringement!&#8221; Which is solid analogy-busting, and (IANAL) legally sound, but&#8230; a bit dry, when put like that. Not really a competitive meme against, <b>&#8220;The pirate hordes raped my music!!&#8221;</b></p>
<p>So instead of saying it&#8217;s &#8220;not piracy&#8221;, I think one needs to expand upon this piracy analogy. The imagery is just to rich to set aside.</p>
<p>If people who copy files are like pirates of the high seas then the rest must (analogously) follow:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The pirates of the Caribbean would have to be able to sidle up alongside a Spanish galleon of the treasure fleet, <i><b>copy all the gold inside</b></i>, and then sail away without ever communicating with the galleon&#8217;s crew in any way. The original gold, of course, sails on for Spain.</p>
<p>The copied gold can (of course) generate even more gold exactly like itself, much as has been seen in fairy tales and movies for centuries.</p>
<p>The Spanish Empire is outraged. Surely this will cause the collapse of the imperial economy! And so warships are dispatched to sink the pirate ships.</p>
<p>The effort backfires horribly. Not only do they fail to catch more than a few pirates involved in the initial copying, but they randomly attack anyone with copied gold, declaring it &#8220;counterfeit&#8221;.  But the gold is as real as the original, and Spanish trading partners are dismayed that this effort is driving people away from Spanish-marked doubloons, out of confusion, fear and disgust at these attacks upon the entirely non-violent pirates and their growing legions of friends.</p>
<p>Then some clever Spanish rival asks, Where does <i>authentic</i> Spanish gold come from? And soon the wider world becomes aware of the coercion and torment that the once-free artisans of the Spanish colonies endure to mine, forge and transport these glittering treasures. Oppression and slavery are plain to see, if anyone looks, at every level of Spanish gold production, rewarding only the &#8220;entitled&#8221;, whose primary contribution is a ceaseless dose of lecturing that this slavery is for the moral benefit of the enslaved.</p>
<p>Spain is unable to regain its honor in this, as they can demonstrate no tangible harm. Their economy not only does not suffer, but improves due to the better distribution of prosperity the piracy has brought. The choice still lay ahead: Will Spain use its treasure only to fight its own colonies that produce it? Or will it realize that it need the colonies more than they colonies need Spain, and change its ways accordingly?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><i>There&#8217;s</i> the analogy.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><i>Postscript.</i> In actual history, of course, plunder and slaves were something rival empires adopted as models from one another, and they felt little shame for it for centuries. Real piracy was often a part of this rivalry, or was inspired by it. But it&#8217;s also true that the Spanish Empire collapsed, in large part, because hyperinflation prevented it from financing the rule of its holdings. Hyperinflation brought on by hoarding colonial gold.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel L. Russwurm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717370</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurel L. Russwurm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hijukal

It doesn&#039;t matter if you are a paying customer... once you rip it you are guilty of what they call piracy.

http://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/personal-use-copying-vs-bootlegging/

They (including the Movie &amp; Music Companies, DMCA, FBI, ACTA) make NO distinction between personal use copying of things that you have legally purchased and a commercial bootlegger who prints and ships thousands of DVDs for commercial profit.

That&#039;s why the FBI warning spells out &quot;non-commercial&quot; or &quot;without profit&quot;.

When I was a kid I thought it was so cool that my friend&#039;s dad made audio cassette copies of his records.  Living in a world of scratched LPs I vowed that when I was a grown up I&#039;d do the same.  If you do that now you&#039;re a pirate.

The problem isn&#039;t the companies.  They&#039;re just greedy.  That&#039;s their job.

The problem is the governments, who should be protecting consumers from these corporate ripoffs.

Governments not only allow it but are now consciously acting as agents for these corporate interests with secret treaties like ACTA.

If the catch you you can be fined or go to jail. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hijukal</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if you are a paying customer&#8230; once you rip it you are guilty of what they call piracy.</p>
<p><a href="http://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/personal-use-copying-vs-bootlegging/" rel="nofollow">http://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/personal-use-copying-vs-bootlegging/</a></p>
<p>They (including the Movie &#038; Music Companies, DMCA, FBI, ACTA) make NO distinction between personal use copying of things that you have legally purchased and a commercial bootlegger who prints and ships thousands of DVDs for commercial profit.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the FBI warning spells out &#8220;non-commercial&#8221; or &#8220;without profit&#8221;.</p>
<p>When I was a kid I thought it was so cool that my friend&#8217;s dad made audio cassette copies of his records.  Living in a world of scratched LPs I vowed that when I was a grown up I&#8217;d do the same.  If you do that now you&#8217;re a pirate.</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t the companies.  They&#8217;re just greedy.  That&#8217;s their job.</p>
<p>The problem is the governments, who should be protecting consumers from these corporate ripoffs.</p>
<p>Governments not only allow it but are now consciously acting as agents for these corporate interests with secret treaties like ACTA.</p>
<p>If the catch you you can be fined or go to jail. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717120</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related note... http://www.treelobsters.com/2009/08/77-button-button.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related note&#8230; <a href="http://www.treelobsters.com/2009/08/77-button-button.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.treelobsters.com/2009/08/77-button-button.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: hijukal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717888</link>
		<dc:creator>hijukal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mjr It&#039;s technically illegal to rip DVDs in Australia--where I live--also, due to the circumvention of copy protection required to do so.


Does that stop me? No. Is it likely to get me in legal hot water? Not unless I make the rips available to others or sell the original DVDs and keep the rips.


I have DVDs that--after only two watches--have developed either DVD rot or delamination. I store all my DVDs in an appropriate manner but not in a humidor or sealed room. Laws be damned; in this case I&#039;m going to make sure the money I&#039;ve spent on the hundreds of DVDs I&#039;ve bought isn&#039;t going down the tube.


Still, for me the final result of having ripped DVDs stored on a networked fileserver means I can watch the movie from any compatible location in the house with no mucking about at all. They&#039;ll never be watched twice simultaneously--which would likely break the agreement of &quot;private viewing&quot;--because that would be pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mjr It&#8217;s technically illegal to rip DVDs in Australia&#8211;where I live&#8211;also, due to the circumvention of copy protection required to do so.</p>
<p>Does that stop me? No. Is it likely to get me in legal hot water? Not unless I make the rips available to others or sell the original DVDs and keep the rips.</p>
<p>I have DVDs that&#8211;after only two watches&#8211;have developed either DVD rot or delamination. I store all my DVDs in an appropriate manner but not in a humidor or sealed room. Laws be damned; in this case I&#8217;m going to make sure the money I&#8217;ve spent on the hundreds of DVDs I&#8217;ve bought isn&#8217;t going down the tube.</p>
<p>Still, for me the final result of having ripped DVDs stored on a networked fileserver means I can watch the movie from any compatible location in the house with no mucking about at all. They&#8217;ll never be watched twice simultaneously&#8211;which would likely break the agreement of &#8220;private viewing&#8221;&#8211;because that would be pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717633</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was visiting Russia when the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie had only been out in theaters for a short time, they already had it on DVD in their video stores...lol </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was visiting Russia when the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie had only been out in theaters for a short time, they already had it on DVD in their video stores&#8230;lol </p>
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		<title>By: jerwin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717383</link>
		<dc:creator>jerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if you watch a pirated version of &lt;i&gt;Raiders of the Lost Ark,&lt;/i&gt; you wont&#039;t see the studio logo, and you&#039;ll miss the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indygear.com/igDWR-peak.html&quot;&gt;cool transition from the paramount mountain to the mountains of peru? &lt;/a&gt; Will &lt;i&gt;E.T.&lt;/i&gt; be stripped of its product placement?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if you watch a pirated version of <i>Raiders of the Lost Ark,</i> you wont&#8217;t see the studio logo, and you&#8217;ll miss the <a href="http://www.indygear.com/igDWR-peak.html">cool transition from the paramount mountain to the mountains of peru? </a> Will <i>E.T.</i> be stripped of its product placement?</p>
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		<title>By: Zhiva</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-728394</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Image not found :(</description>
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		<title>By: Tdawwg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717135</link>
		<dc:creator>Tdawwg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what about the possible &quot;unskippable&quot; legal consequences of the pirate model? Can you fast forward through those, or skip over them? Prosecution, lawyers&#039; fees, etc., not a usual part of my media consumption experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what about the possible &#8220;unskippable&#8221; legal consequences of the pirate model? Can you fast forward through those, or skip over them? Prosecution, lawyers&#8217; fees, etc., not a usual part of my media consumption experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html#comment-717391</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently you don&#039;t play many DVDs then. I&#039;ve run into plenty.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently you don&#8217;t play many DVDs then. I&#8217;ve run into plenty.</p>
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