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		<title>By: Ruby</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-776197</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think BIOS password works good. its an easy procedure to install cameras at home everywhere by using a server computer as a control panel for all cameras.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gadgetgeek.in/gadgets/laptops&quot;&gt;Laptop gadgets&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think BIOS password works good. its an easy procedure to install cameras at home everywhere by using a server computer as a control panel for all cameras.<br />
<a href="http://www.gadgetgeek.in/gadgets/laptops">Laptop gadgets</a></p>
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		<title>By: Forkboy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719626</link>
		<dc:creator>Forkboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It doesn&#039;t take a lot of hacking skill to find a piece of masking tape.&quot;

There&#039;s a quote in the article from a student that says he thought people who did just that were just being paranoid. Clearly they were not told of the true extent of the monitoring.

This whole thing parallels Cory&#039;s &quot;Little Brother&quot; so much it isn&#039;t even funny. I thought it was supposed to be a cautionary tale, not a description of reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It doesn&#8217;t take a lot of hacking skill to find a piece of masking tape.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a quote in the article from a student that says he thought people who did just that were just being paranoid. Clearly they were not told of the true extent of the monitoring.</p>
<p>This whole thing parallels Cory&#8217;s &#8220;Little Brother&#8221; so much it isn&#8217;t even funny. I thought it was supposed to be a cautionary tale, not a description of reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-720138</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a thought...
Most, if not all companies, have guidelines for the allowed usage of their computers and networks.
What if the kid in question, instead of &quot;sexting&quot; from his cellphone, was online chatting with someone sexually and using the web cam... If their network infrastructure caught evidence of that (Which they have the full legal right to do), and the picture they presented was from the kids &quot;chat session&quot;, and the kid denied it to his parents and blamed the school, then this is a big to do about nothing, and the kid involved should be punished for inappropriate use of the Schools property...
And another thought...  If the laptops are for helping the kids learn, why equip them with Webcams in the first place?  that is just dangling a carrot under the kids noses to get them to video chat with their friends etc, which would most likely not related to learning at all...
Food for thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thought&#8230;<br />
Most, if not all companies, have guidelines for the allowed usage of their computers and networks.<br />
What if the kid in question, instead of &#8220;sexting&#8221; from his cellphone, was online chatting with someone sexually and using the web cam&#8230; If their network infrastructure caught evidence of that (Which they have the full legal right to do), and the picture they presented was from the kids &#8220;chat session&#8221;, and the kid denied it to his parents and blamed the school, then this is a big to do about nothing, and the kid involved should be punished for inappropriate use of the Schools property&#8230;<br />
And another thought&#8230;  If the laptops are for helping the kids learn, why equip them with Webcams in the first place?  that is just dangling a carrot under the kids noses to get them to video chat with their friends etc, which would most likely not related to learning at all&#8230;<br />
Food for thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jmchugh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719629</link>
		<dc:creator>jmchugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure about these Macs, but I know that a few years ago a Dell desktop running Win2k with a protected boot order could be bypassed to boot from a live CD simply by disconnecting the boot hard drive.  

Having just replaced the hard drive in an old PowerBook, however, this process may involve up to 30 minutes and the removal more than 20 phillips and Torx head screws.  Not quite as simple as opening the case on a desktop and disconnecting an ATA cable and definitely not something I would recommend to anyone who would be held liable for damage to the school&#039;s computer.

JMcH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about these Macs, but I know that a few years ago a Dell desktop running Win2k with a protected boot order could be bypassed to boot from a live CD simply by disconnecting the boot hard drive.  </p>
<p>Having just replaced the hard drive in an old PowerBook, however, this process may involve up to 30 minutes and the removal more than 20 phillips and Torx head screws.  Not quite as simple as opening the case on a desktop and disconnecting an ATA cable and definitely not something I would recommend to anyone who would be held liable for damage to the school&#8217;s computer.</p>
<p>JMcH</p>
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		<title>By: angryhippo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719887</link>
		<dc:creator>angryhippo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By using your logic someone could install several cameras in your home ready to capture images. You would just have to trust them that they won&#039;t. Sorry, but if the capability is there it&#039;s just a matter of time before it is abused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By using your logic someone could install several cameras in your home ready to capture images. You would just have to trust them that they won&#8217;t. Sorry, but if the capability is there it&#8217;s just a matter of time before it is abused.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Austin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719639</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the teachers can watch the students, the students should be able to watch the teachers.  I think a fair compromise would be to enable webcam monitoring on all teachers and staff.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the teachers can watch the students, the students should be able to watch the teachers.  I think a fair compromise would be to enable webcam monitoring on all teachers and staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719390</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure disabling the camera wasn&#039;t allowed but that doesn&#039;t mean it wasn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;possible.&lt;/em&gt; It doesn&#039;t take a lot of hacking skill to find a piece of masking tape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure disabling the camera wasn&#8217;t allowed but that doesn&#8217;t mean it wasn&#8217;t <em>possible.</em> It doesn&#8217;t take a lot of hacking skill to find a piece of masking tape.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps a lawyer can comment.  Is the school taking a risk of manufacturing child porn here?  I&#039;m assuming at least some of the students are minors and at least some of them walk around in their underwear in front of their laptops without thinking about it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a lawyer can comment.  Is the school taking a risk of manufacturing child porn here?  I&#8217;m assuming at least some of the students are minors and at least some of them walk around in their underwear in front of their laptops without thinking about it.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-720415</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Child pornography laws really don&#039;t come into play here.  If the camera happened to snap a photo of an underaged student in some level of undress it&#039;s not CP unless there was something lascivious about it.  That&#039;s PA law and Federal law as well.  This came up just recently with that nut job PA prosecutor who threatened to charge girls simply for being photographed in bras.

Witold Walczak, legal director for the ACLU of Pennsylvania said:

&quot;Itâ€™s not just pictures of kids that may show a little bit of flesh. Itâ€™s either got to depict sexual activity or itâ€™s got to be some lascivious display,&quot; he said. &quot;If youâ€™ve just got kids standing upright outside a shower, thatâ€™s not lascivious.&quot;

So folks can stop talking about CP.  There are all sorts of civil invasion of privacy and *possible* criminal violations here.  But no kiddie porn crimes just because (hypothetically) a camera caught someone coming out of the show.  Let&#039;s lay that to rest.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Child pornography laws really don&#8217;t come into play here.  If the camera happened to snap a photo of an underaged student in some level of undress it&#8217;s not CP unless there was something lascivious about it.  That&#8217;s PA law and Federal law as well.  This came up just recently with that nut job PA prosecutor who threatened to charge girls simply for being photographed in bras.</p>
<p>Witold Walczak, legal director for the ACLU of Pennsylvania said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s not just pictures of kids that may show a little bit of flesh. Itâ€™s either got to depict sexual activity or itâ€™s got to be some lascivious display,&#8221; he said. &#8220;If youâ€™ve just got kids standing upright outside a shower, thatâ€™s not lascivious.&#8221;</p>
<p>So folks can stop talking about CP.  There are all sorts of civil invasion of privacy and *possible* criminal violations here.  But no kiddie porn crimes just because (hypothetically) a camera caught someone coming out of the show.  Let&#8217;s lay that to rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Nylund</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719396</link>
		<dc:creator>Nylund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long would this system have remained had the principal and faculty members been forced to undergo the same surveillance with the students and their teachers doing the monitoring?

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

RE: the comment above, I read before that students did put post it notes over the camera, but if they were truly being monitored, this would have landed them in trouble.  So yes, you could STOP it, but could you stop it without ramifications?  Officially, the answer seems to be no. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long would this system have remained had the principal and faculty members been forced to undergo the same surveillance with the students and their teachers doing the monitoring?</p>
<p>Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, right?</p>
<p>RE: the comment above, I read before that students did put post it notes over the camera, but if they were truly being monitored, this would have landed them in trouble.  So yes, you could STOP it, but could you stop it without ramifications?  Officially, the answer seems to be no. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719404</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like it would be endangering the children if indeed the &quot;security official&quot; was interested in taking advantage of children. Not to mention simply the creeps who would just watch them all day long, Illegal I&#039;m not sure, but it sure gives me the creeps *shudders*. 

If it&#039;s not against the law, then it damnwell should be. This is borderline horror story, and definitely a horror story waiting to happen.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like it would be endangering the children if indeed the &#8220;security official&#8221; was interested in taking advantage of children. Not to mention simply the creeps who would just watch them all day long, Illegal I&#8217;m not sure, but it sure gives me the creeps *shudders*. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not against the law, then it damnwell should be. This is borderline horror story, and definitely a horror story waiting to happen.  </p>
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		<title>By: Linds</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719406</link>
		<dc:creator>Linds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was turning the computer on manditory?</description>
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		<title>By: Astin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719667</link>
		<dc:creator>Astin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to turn on Chat Roulette by default on the laptops for both students and staff.  That should keep it interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to turn on Chat Roulette by default on the laptops for both students and staff.  That should keep it interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-721463</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the most common way I&#039;ve seen of locking a boot order is a bios password. As macs still have cmos batteries you could probably pull it out(assuming it&#039;s not soldered in place) which would clear the password. then it&#039;s just boot from cd as normal given that most newer macs are intel based.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the most common way I&#8217;ve seen of locking a boot order is a bios password. As macs still have cmos batteries you could probably pull it out(assuming it&#8217;s not soldered in place) which would clear the password. then it&#8217;s just boot from cd as normal given that most newer macs are intel based.</p>
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		<title>By: m450n</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719417</link>
		<dc:creator>m450n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LANPeRv 

FTFY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LANPeRv </p>
<p>FTFY</p>
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		<title>By: kevinsky</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719677</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my kid brought home a school-issued laptop, I would have put the tape over the webcam myself. I would have informed the school that they can&#039;t punish the child for my actions, and that I have a right to restrict all recording devices that come into my home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my kid brought home a school-issued laptop, I would have put the tape over the webcam myself. I would have informed the school that they can&#8217;t punish the child for my actions, and that I have a right to restrict all recording devices that come into my home.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719433</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would a live CD be enough to circumvent this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would a live CD be enough to circumvent this?</p>
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		<title>By: remmelt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719437</link>
		<dc:creator>remmelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word of the week: &quot;explusion&quot;.

Rock!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word of the week: &#8220;explusion&#8221;.</p>
<p>Rock!!</p>
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		<title>By: ForbiddenPizza</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-721744</link>
		<dc:creator>ForbiddenPizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Recent Supreme Court Rulings, like in the last month, have given school districts increased search powers. If they think you have drugs you can be body searched (not for asprin, etc.) The principal can search your car parked not on school grounds if they have reason to believe you have drugs, etc. without a warrant. They can force you take down web pages if they deem the content slander, threatening or inciting violence. You can have your phone checked/confiscated for sexting, etc. I would not want to be a student at any of today&#039;s public schools. And I&#039;m a parent.&quot;

You are a parent and an Uninformed American to boot. Popping out a child does not mean you are more educated. Popping out children means you have had sex and popped out children.

There is this thing called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. What it does is ensure that we as Americans are innocent until proven guilty.

The Forth Amendment is in the Bill of rights, which was put into place because of British general warrants (called Writs of Assistance), in which the Crown would grant general search powers to British law enforcement officials. These officials could search any home they liked, at any time they liked, for any reason they liked or for no reason at all.

Constantly living under a police state where you can be searched at any time is unconstitutional. To be searched at any time renders people powerless. 

It&#039;s called Due Process. Due process is this thing we have so that we don&#039;t live under an abusive government. It also means that since the school is public that the school has to adhere to the Constitution - as it&#039;s the law.

The law is there because governments and people in power have previously abused these rights.

The recent ruling in regards to the school searches, this was a ruling that was already established years ago - the car in question was on the school grounds. Therefor, school rules still apply. 

The law is the law and the government (in this case the public school is a government program) still has to adhere to it. If they did /not/ adhere to the law guess what? The people who&#039;s rights were violated win the case.

That&#039;s called civil liberties, and that&#039;s called the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Recent Supreme Court Rulings, like in the last month, have given school districts increased search powers. If they think you have drugs you can be body searched (not for asprin, etc.) The principal can search your car parked not on school grounds if they have reason to believe you have drugs, etc. without a warrant. They can force you take down web pages if they deem the content slander, threatening or inciting violence. You can have your phone checked/confiscated for sexting, etc. I would not want to be a student at any of today&#8217;s public schools. And I&#8217;m a parent.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are a parent and an Uninformed American to boot. Popping out a child does not mean you are more educated. Popping out children means you have had sex and popped out children.</p>
<p>There is this thing called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. What it does is ensure that we as Americans are innocent until proven guilty.</p>
<p>The Forth Amendment is in the Bill of rights, which was put into place because of British general warrants (called Writs of Assistance), in which the Crown would grant general search powers to British law enforcement officials. These officials could search any home they liked, at any time they liked, for any reason they liked or for no reason at all.</p>
<p>Constantly living under a police state where you can be searched at any time is unconstitutional. To be searched at any time renders people powerless. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s called Due Process. Due process is this thing we have so that we don&#8217;t live under an abusive government. It also means that since the school is public that the school has to adhere to the Constitution &#8211; as it&#8217;s the law.</p>
<p>The law is there because governments and people in power have previously abused these rights.</p>
<p>The recent ruling in regards to the school searches, this was a ruling that was already established years ago &#8211; the car in question was on the school grounds. Therefor, school rules still apply. </p>
<p>The law is the law and the government (in this case the public school is a government program) still has to adhere to it. If they did /not/ adhere to the law guess what? The people who&#8217;s rights were violated win the case.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s called civil liberties, and that&#8217;s called the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-720217</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...the school should be punished big time. It is a clear invasion of privacy not to mention the endless possibilities for abuse by school&#039;s administrators such as watching a kid in their room...unacceptable.

On the other note if I was handed a laptop like that, Ubuntu live CD here I come :) Boot it in the comfort of your own home and the school&#039;s spies wouldn&#039;t even know the laptop is on, hence no punishment. Of course one could lock a bios and prevent booting from a CD, but that&#039;s another story...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;the school should be punished big time. It is a clear invasion of privacy not to mention the endless possibilities for abuse by school&#8217;s administrators such as watching a kid in their room&#8230;unacceptable.</p>
<p>On the other note if I was handed a laptop like that, Ubuntu live CD here I come :) Boot it in the comfort of your own home and the school&#8217;s spies wouldn&#8217;t even know the laptop is on, hence no punishment. Of course one could lock a bios and prevent booting from a CD, but that&#8217;s another story&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gollux</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719460</link>
		<dc:creator>gollux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Start scanning the school administration computers for child porn video. There&#039;s other more pertinent reasons to be able to surveil at any time without the computer user&#039;s knowledge than theft recovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start scanning the school administration computers for child porn video. There&#8217;s other more pertinent reasons to be able to surveil at any time without the computer user&#8217;s knowledge than theft recovery.</p>
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		<title>By: cmza</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719465</link>
		<dc:creator>cmza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The school&#039;s story seems to be that it was a loaner computer and not meant to be taken off school grounds.

However, a quote from one of the kids (from StrydeHax) :

&quot;We reported [the webcam light going on randomly at school and at home] multiple times, each time getting the response: &quot;It&#039;s only a malfunction. if you&#039;d like we&#039;ll look into it and give you a loaner computer.&quot; 

Which implies the loaner computers WERE allowed off school grounds, or that students were not aware they weren&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The school&#8217;s story seems to be that it was a loaner computer and not meant to be taken off school grounds.</p>
<p>However, a quote from one of the kids (from StrydeHax) :</p>
<p>&#8220;We reported [the webcam light going on randomly at school and at home] multiple times, each time getting the response: &#8220;It&#8217;s only a malfunction. if you&#8217;d like we&#8217;ll look into it and give you a loaner computer.&#8221; </p>
<p>Which implies the loaner computers WERE allowed off school grounds, or that students were not aware they weren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-720235</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an employee of Absolute Software I wanted to direct you to our statement regarding Lower Merion School District.

When Absolute Software purchased LANrev in December 2009, it was for the productâ€™s computer lifecycle management capabilities. Because Absolute believes both in protecting our customers and in our managed theft recovery approach, we do not actively promote the use of the TheftTrack feature.  We have slated the removal of the TheftTrack feature in an upcoming product update.

To read more about our how our managed theft recovery service works please read the statement that weâ€™ve posted to our blog: http://blog.absolute.com/lower-merion-school-district-and-do-it-yourself-recovery-solutions/ or visit http://www.absolute.com.

Stephen Midgley 
Vice President, Global Marketing
Absolute Software
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an employee of Absolute Software I wanted to direct you to our statement regarding Lower Merion School District.</p>
<p>When Absolute Software purchased LANrev in December 2009, it was for the productâ€™s computer lifecycle management capabilities. Because Absolute believes both in protecting our customers and in our managed theft recovery approach, we do not actively promote the use of the TheftTrack feature.  We have slated the removal of the TheftTrack feature in an upcoming product update.</p>
<p>To read more about our how our managed theft recovery service works please read the statement that weâ€™ve posted to our blog: <a href="http://blog.absolute.com/lower-merion-school-district-and-do-it-yourself-recovery-solutions/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.absolute.com/lower-merion-school-district-and-do-it-yourself-recovery-solutions/</a> or visit <a href="http://www.absolute.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.absolute.com</a>.</p>
<p>Stephen Midgley<br />
Vice President, Global Marketing<br />
Absolute Software</p>
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		<title>By: netsharc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719725</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I have a feeling the techies at the school have probably destroyed all evidence (the logs, the pics of half naked teenage girls) already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I have a feeling the techies at the school have probably destroyed all evidence (the logs, the pics of half naked teenage girls) already?</p>
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		<title>By: pauldavis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719730</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The school district didn&#039;t need to install any software to create a risk for students that the laptops could be used to record images or sounds. The software that the district installed made it much easier for that to happen, and specifically, made it much, much easier for the district itself to initiate such recording.

I wish that people could distinguish between capabilities and actual usage/abuse. Commenters here and on other blogs continue to express outrage about what happened here, even though almost none of us, at this time, really know what actually happened here. 

My daughter attends Harriton, my step-daughter attends LM, the other high school in the district. The level of hyperbole over this case continues to amaze me.

1) Should the school district have *not* issued laptops to students at all?
2) If they didn&#039;t, or made it optional, should they allow student laptops onto the school network?
3) If they did issue them, should they make an effort to limit losses via theft?
4) Should such efforts include the ability to remotely initiate image capture with the webcam? If not, what other technology should have been used?
5) Has the ability to remotely initiate image capture been abused?

My answers: 1) I&#039;m not sure, because I have reservations about the use of computers as a ubiquitous part of grade school education (2) no (3) yes (4) no (5) I don&#039;t know, and I don&#039;t believe that anyone on boingboing or other blogs knows either, at this point in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The school district didn&#8217;t need to install any software to create a risk for students that the laptops could be used to record images or sounds. The software that the district installed made it much easier for that to happen, and specifically, made it much, much easier for the district itself to initiate such recording.</p>
<p>I wish that people could distinguish between capabilities and actual usage/abuse. Commenters here and on other blogs continue to express outrage about what happened here, even though almost none of us, at this time, really know what actually happened here. </p>
<p>My daughter attends Harriton, my step-daughter attends LM, the other high school in the district. The level of hyperbole over this case continues to amaze me.</p>
<p>1) Should the school district have *not* issued laptops to students at all?<br />
2) If they didn&#8217;t, or made it optional, should they allow student laptops onto the school network?<br />
3) If they did issue them, should they make an effort to limit losses via theft?<br />
4) Should such efforts include the ability to remotely initiate image capture with the webcam? If not, what other technology should have been used?<br />
5) Has the ability to remotely initiate image capture been abused?</p>
<p>My answers: 1) I&#8217;m not sure, because I have reservations about the use of computers as a ubiquitous part of grade school education (2) no (3) yes (4) no (5) I don&#8217;t know, and I don&#8217;t believe that anyone on boingboing or other blogs knows either, at this point in time.</p>
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		<title>By: cmza</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719476</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by encouraging them to take loaner computers (possibly knowing full well they would be taken home) providing the opportunity for the techs/admin to spy on those kids WITHIN the policy...! Sneaky.  Very, very sneaky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by encouraging them to take loaner computers (possibly knowing full well they would be taken home) providing the opportunity for the techs/admin to spy on those kids WITHIN the policy&#8230;! Sneaky.  Very, very sneaky.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-725622</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh my god I can&#039;t believe the level of idiocy that people are displaying against programs like LanRev. These are an essential part of managing a large fleet of computers remotely and, like any other useful tool, have perfectly legitimate uses. This program is just like Radmin and a bunch of other programs that lets you remote into a laptop and gain control of it BY DESIGN. It isn&#039;t spyware when the owner/administrator of the computer installs it. We have radmin on all of our laptops and desktops at my company so we can remotely repair them when something goes wrong (as well as doing remote training). Calling this spyware is just plain wrong.&quot;

ahem.  Speaking as an administrator on the IT staff of an enterprise-size network, you are mistaken.  The issue here was not that the tool existed, but the use of the tool.  Students were monitored without consent or a &quot;acceptable use&quot; warning during log-in (which is the standard nowadays).  In addition, students were misled as to the extent of the monitoring when they inquired.

Furthermore, I am curious as to what benefit you find webcam photographs to be in &quot;asset management&quot;.  How do these photographs aid in protection of the software environment?  And before you go claiming &quot;theft recovery!&quot;, there are better tools for doing so (e.g. IP tracing) than a low-resolution photograph.

Finally, while the software wasn&#039;t necessarily spyware, it wasn&#039;t on the up-and-up either.  If use of a public machine is going to be monitored on a consistent basis, this is required to be stated (usually via an aforementioned acceptable policy, or at the very least a posted notice).

So, in short, &quot;Oh my god I can&#039;t believe the level of idiocy that people are displaying&quot; in support of this unnecessary product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh my god I can&#8217;t believe the level of idiocy that people are displaying against programs like LanRev. These are an essential part of managing a large fleet of computers remotely and, like any other useful tool, have perfectly legitimate uses. This program is just like Radmin and a bunch of other programs that lets you remote into a laptop and gain control of it BY DESIGN. It isn&#8217;t spyware when the owner/administrator of the computer installs it. We have radmin on all of our laptops and desktops at my company so we can remotely repair them when something goes wrong (as well as doing remote training). Calling this spyware is just plain wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>ahem.  Speaking as an administrator on the IT staff of an enterprise-size network, you are mistaken.  The issue here was not that the tool existed, but the use of the tool.  Students were monitored without consent or a &#8220;acceptable use&#8221; warning during log-in (which is the standard nowadays).  In addition, students were misled as to the extent of the monitoring when they inquired.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I am curious as to what benefit you find webcam photographs to be in &#8220;asset management&#8221;.  How do these photographs aid in protection of the software environment?  And before you go claiming &#8220;theft recovery!&#8221;, there are better tools for doing so (e.g. IP tracing) than a low-resolution photograph.</p>
<p>Finally, while the software wasn&#8217;t necessarily spyware, it wasn&#8217;t on the up-and-up either.  If use of a public machine is going to be monitored on a consistent basis, this is required to be stated (usually via an aforementioned acceptable policy, or at the very least a posted notice).</p>
<p>So, in short, &#8220;Oh my god I can&#8217;t believe the level of idiocy that people are displaying&#8221; in support of this unnecessary product.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719479</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Macbook, remember? meaning you need to install the boot camp drivers first, so you have a bios equivalent.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-719737</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to (5) is a resounding yes. 

Think about it. How did knowledge of this come about?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to (5) is a resounding yes. </p>
<p>Think about it. How did knowledge of this come about?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/22/school-spying-infect.html#comment-720252</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find all this porn scare stuff discussion fascinating. Personally I think/hope it&#039;s BS, but I have a base feeling that most people are honest, and most IT people don&#039;t abuse their power or inside knowledge. 

1. LanRev or Absolute Management software is designed to help keep laptops and computers from walking away. It&#039;s called ASSEST MANAGMENT. Legit Use.

2. It&#039;s designed to prevent or at least inform IT that someone has installed software that&#039;s not supposed to be on the unit. Legit Use. 

3. It has a record of saving thousands of dollars each year in many school districts and corporations in the world. http://www.absolute.com/products/absolute-manage

4. It is entirely possible that units that were not to be used off of the schools network would &#039;call home&#039; to IT. You wouldn&#039;t want them to call the police first, would you? 

5. I have read of several cases where Macbooks with cameras were stolen and the camera was turned on to take a photo of the &#039;current&#039; user, and that photo was used to find the thief. http://www.news.com.au/macbook-thief-caught-on-camera-by-owner/story-e6frfrw9-1111116316865 that link is at least one, but there are more. And yes, it was turned on by the &#039;owner&#039; but here the &#039;owner&#039; is the school district.

6. Absolute&#039;s software is BIOS based. I put it on my daughter in college&#039;s $2500 laptop. (It&#039;s supposed to last her 4 years.) When ever it is turned on, at least once a day, if it can connect to a network it &#039;calls in&#039; to Absolute&#039;s servers.  It&#039;s also referred to as Lojack for Laptops.  If she calls/signs in to one of their servers, and says the unit has been stolen, the next time it calls in, it will start calling in every 30 minutes or so when there is a connection. The idea being to find the IP addresses and then find from the ISP the physical location so that the unit can be recovered. Absolute works with the owner and police to get them the information they need to get a warrant.

6. Removing the hard drive won&#039;t work, the unit will &#039;infect&#039; the new hard drive. When I upgraded her from Vista 32 to Win7 64, we deleted all the partitions, created new ones, formated them and installed the OS, and everything else. The unit still called in every day.  Absolute likes to tell of a theft ring that infected 40+ laptops by cloning the HD of the first one or using the laptop as a &#039;build&#039; unit. 

7. If there is a setting to make it take a snapshot ALL THE TIME when the unit is started or ONLY when NOT on the school&#039;s lan is a key question.  If it took a picture all the time, and only sent it when not on the school&#039;s lan, I would think, that a judge might view that as a &#039;proactive&#039; protective measure, and a lawyer will certainly present it that way. 

8. Recent Supreme Court Rulings, like in the last month, have given school districts increased search powers. If they think you have drugs you can be body searched (not for asprin, etc.) The principal can search your car parked not on school grounds if they have reason to believe you have drugs, etc. without a warrant. They can force you take down web pages if they deem the content slander, threatening or inciting violence. You can have your phone checked/confiscated for sexting, etc. I would not want to be a student at any of today&#039;s public schools. And I&#039;m a parent.

9. Providing there is no porn involved and the IT guy was a nice guy, this is what will happen: 

a) the court will say that it was legal
b) the public outcry will cause the software to be removed
c) taxes will go up in the town to cover the future laptops that are stolen/lost and they will hire more IT people to do asset management instead of the software. 
d) some kid will use the newly-freed-from-restraint laptop it to contact a &#039;real predator&#039; maybe using the webcam and be abducted/molested/killed the result being that the public now cries out for &#039;more protection&#039; for their children and sues the district again for not preventing it&#039;s usage on chats or other social networks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find all this porn scare stuff discussion fascinating. Personally I think/hope it&#8217;s BS, but I have a base feeling that most people are honest, and most IT people don&#8217;t abuse their power or inside knowledge. </p>
<p>1. LanRev or Absolute Management software is designed to help keep laptops and computers from walking away. It&#8217;s called ASSEST MANAGMENT. Legit Use.</p>
<p>2. It&#8217;s designed to prevent or at least inform IT that someone has installed software that&#8217;s not supposed to be on the unit. Legit Use. </p>
<p>3. It has a record of saving thousands of dollars each year in many school districts and corporations in the world. <a href="http://www.absolute.com/products/absolute-manage" rel="nofollow">http://www.absolute.com/products/absolute-manage</a></p>
<p>4. It is entirely possible that units that were not to be used off of the schools network would &#8216;call home&#8217; to IT. You wouldn&#8217;t want them to call the police first, would you? </p>
<p>5. I have read of several cases where Macbooks with cameras were stolen and the camera was turned on to take a photo of the &#8216;current&#8217; user, and that photo was used to find the thief. <a href="http://www.news.com.au/macbook-thief-caught-on-camera-by-owner/story-e6frfrw9-1111116316865" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/macbook-thief-caught-on-camera-by-owner/story-e6frfrw9-1111116316865</a> that link is at least one, but there are more. And yes, it was turned on by the &#8216;owner&#8217; but here the &#8216;owner&#8217; is the school district.</p>
<p>6. Absolute&#8217;s software is BIOS based. I put it on my daughter in college&#8217;s $2500 laptop. (It&#8217;s supposed to last her 4 years.) When ever it is turned on, at least once a day, if it can connect to a network it &#8216;calls in&#8217; to Absolute&#8217;s servers.  It&#8217;s also referred to as Lojack for Laptops.  If she calls/signs in to one of their servers, and says the unit has been stolen, the next time it calls in, it will start calling in every 30 minutes or so when there is a connection. The idea being to find the IP addresses and then find from the ISP the physical location so that the unit can be recovered. Absolute works with the owner and police to get them the information they need to get a warrant.</p>
<p>6. Removing the hard drive won&#8217;t work, the unit will &#8216;infect&#8217; the new hard drive. When I upgraded her from Vista 32 to Win7 64, we deleted all the partitions, created new ones, formated them and installed the OS, and everything else. The unit still called in every day.  Absolute likes to tell of a theft ring that infected 40+ laptops by cloning the HD of the first one or using the laptop as a &#8216;build&#8217; unit. </p>
<p>7. If there is a setting to make it take a snapshot ALL THE TIME when the unit is started or ONLY when NOT on the school&#8217;s lan is a key question.  If it took a picture all the time, and only sent it when not on the school&#8217;s lan, I would think, that a judge might view that as a &#8216;proactive&#8217; protective measure, and a lawyer will certainly present it that way. </p>
<p>8. Recent Supreme Court Rulings, like in the last month, have given school districts increased search powers. If they think you have drugs you can be body searched (not for asprin, etc.) The principal can search your car parked not on school grounds if they have reason to believe you have drugs, etc. without a warrant. They can force you take down web pages if they deem the content slander, threatening or inciting violence. You can have your phone checked/confiscated for sexting, etc. I would not want to be a student at any of today&#8217;s public schools. And I&#8217;m a parent.</p>
<p>9. Providing there is no porn involved and the IT guy was a nice guy, this is what will happen: </p>
<p>a) the court will say that it was legal<br />
b) the public outcry will cause the software to be removed<br />
c) taxes will go up in the town to cover the future laptops that are stolen/lost and they will hire more IT people to do asset management instead of the software.<br />
d) some kid will use the newly-freed-from-restraint laptop it to contact a &#8216;real predator&#8217; maybe using the webcam and be abducted/molested/killed the result being that the public now cries out for &#8216;more protection&#8217; for their children and sues the district again for not preventing it&#8217;s usage on chats or other social networks. </p>
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