Pentagon fesses up to 800 pages' worth of potentially illegal spying, including peace groups and Planned Parenthood

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16 Responses to “Pentagon fesses up to 800 pages' worth of potentially illegal spying, including peace groups and Planned Parenthood”

  1. eltonstout says:

    Bush wasn’t President in 1996 during the “runup to the Atlanta Olympics.”

  2. Ugly Canuck says:

    Oh yes: “national security” often really means “the politicians’ bank accounts”.
    Kick-backs and graft, corruption in Government supply contracting: why are the spies not working on those problems?

  3. Ugly Canuck says:

    And of course your Government and its spies may – nay must – know all and everything about you without exception: but you may know nothing AT ALL about them: because that would “impair their effectiveness”. Thus, their activities may – nay must – be kept secret. From you, at any rate.

    Feel more secure now?

  4. Ugly Canuck says:

    As the Supreme Court’s “implied right to privacy”grounded the decision to allow abortions in limited circumstances, in the Roe v Wade case, the resistance in America to any legally recognized right to privacy is very very strong.
    They have the anti-abortion lobby behind them: a right to privacy would end the “abortion debate” in favor of Planned Parenthood’s position.

    So those who wish to establish privacy rights in the USA have a larger battle than they may anticipate on their hands: they have to take on the “criminalize all abortions” people.

    How such a free country can be so “anti-privacy” is a complex question. That abortion angle is often overlooked, IMHO.
    That parents are “anti-privacy” when it comes to their children may or may not he a surprise, depending upon your world-view, I guess. But eventually, the kids grow up, an are free to leave.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Let me take a guess, the evangelists who have infiltrated the military wanted to harass Planned Parenthood? We all know the danger to national security posed by birth control and pregnancy consultation.

    Funny how people who supported Bush and go on about how bad big government is and how everyone should pack a gun would support spying on Americans.

  6. anansi133 says:

    “The rubric of spying is that it needs to take place to stop people who are acting illegally or may act illegally.”

    If spying is considered a military activity- the way it’s been for most recorded history- then any set of laws is really sort of irrelevant. Military units don’t act according to law, they act according to their orders.

    It’s only when civilian units are doing the spying, that the law can come into play in any practical sense. All the military has to do is say, “national security” and the law just stops in its tracks.

    • Ugly Canuck says:

      In the USA (and throughout the West) the military is under strict civilian control.
      So all “military decisions” are in fact decisions by civilians: so – no “free pass on spying” due to the assigned or appointed status of the spies. Who made them military? Oh yeah the elected politicians….are they above the Law, too?

  7. KPS666 says:

    What amazes me isn’t that the Bush administration broke the law on a massive scale, but that so few people, to this day, care that it happened at all. Americans have seen their rights and freedoms erode before their very eyes and almost none of them seem to care. I’d be willing to bet that these documents could have the redacting removed and we would still see only a tiny minority of Americans show any interest.

    • cymk says:

      To paraphrase another hated man, Josef Goebbels; “The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.”

      The a government is usually elected under a banner of “for the public good” and like clock work, after the election, the new administration goes about its business fulfilling its own agenda regardless of “public good.” As a public body, Americans are sociopaths; we go through the same motions every 4 years, electing a president and each time we expect a new result. This time he/she won’t lie to us. This time they will pass health care. This time they will all keep their promises. Its ok I’m loosing my rights, just as long as we beat those terrorists! Its all bullshit. We lie to ourselves to make it through each day, so whats the big deal if our leaders fudge the truth? Who cares if the police and military abuse thier powers, just as long as I can get my fast food for dinner each night; waste away in front of my 9000″ widescreen LCD-plasma-projection-LED back lit TV with 5.1 stereo surround sound watching mindless drivel.

  8. Anonymous says:

    The Atlanta Olympics were during the CLINTON administration!

  9. Blue says:

    China is the model that Western governments are bent on emulating, now and in the future. Authoritarian, censoring, controlling, capitalist.

    It’s what unfettered power tends to create in humans, it seems.

  10. Anonymous says:

    Atlanta Olympics were in 1996 – this seems to cover 2001-2008.

  11. chgoliz says:

    “The heavily redacted documents include details of a spying program against Planned Parenthood…”

    “Pertaining to the Planned Parenthood members, for example, the oversight report provides no explanation about how the information was collected. Nor does it indicate why the information was collected and notes only that military intelligence is not allowed to collect and disseminate information on U.S. persons unless the information constitutes “foreign intelligence.” The report indicates that the collection was therefore “clearly outside the purview of military intelligence” and should have been handled by law enforcement.”

    Not to be paranoid or anything, but I wonder if any of the systematic “spying program” on a legitimate American organization by our government targeted PP doctors or other staff members, who were then harmed or killed by domestic terrorists?

  12. Anonymous says:

    I think your first paragraph up there should read “Salt Lake City Olympics”, not Atlanta. (The Atlanta Olympics were in ’96.)

  13. johnphantom says:

    I agree KPS666.

    Welcome to 1984.

  14. Anonymous says:

    I’m most surprised it’s only 800 pages. Let’s assume that the 800 pages is stuff that shouldn’t be done. If that’s the entire batch of documents, it’s a pretty small pile.

    For perspective, think of one documented activity in you life. Now collect every document (paper and electronic) related to it over a 15 year period. The stack gets pretty thick pretty fast.

    Now compare this to an organization with millions of people. Some fraction of that must be idiots, jerks, etc. Either ignorant of the law or not caring. Yet somehow idiocy was constrained enough to only produce 800 pages.

    So hats off to a military that kept its shit together enough to only screw up this much. Now learn from the mistakes of idiots and do better.

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