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	<title>Comments on: Curmudgeonly essay on &quot;Why the Internet Will Fail&quot; from&#160;1995</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723457</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel a lot of the criticisms in these comments are quite unfounded. Cuckoo&#039;s Egg is one of my favorite books and I re-read it every few years. I still have Silicon Snake Oil in hardback in a closet somewhere, might have to dig it out after seeing this article. Anyway, while some of you find it easy to trash Cliff Stoll now, try to consider things in context, when he actually wrote the book -- a lot of issues fall into gray areas.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel a lot of the criticisms in these comments are quite unfounded. Cuckoo&#8217;s Egg is one of my favorite books and I re-read it every few years. I still have Silicon Snake Oil in hardback in a closet somewhere, might have to dig it out after seeing this article. Anyway, while some of you find it easy to trash Cliff Stoll now, try to consider things in context, when he actually wrote the book &#8212; a lot of issues fall into gray areas.</p>
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		<title>By: RevEng</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723969</link>
		<dc:creator>RevEng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, many of his arguments are still valid.  It&#039;s mostly a matter of how you look at it.

It&#039;s true, the Internet has been a technological revolution.  It changed the way we do business, learn, and communicate.  But has it eliminated teachers?  Hardly.  Sure, we may have fewer people in the classroom, but instead of teaching from a classroom, teachers make websites and videos.  Has it changed the way government works?  Not really.  Government is the same as it ever was, though it has a website and an email address now.

I remember the nay-sayers saying that computers and the internet were going to make us all anti-social.  That &quot;virtual friends&quot; were no replacement for &quot;real friends&quot;.  But social media has become the next big thing on the internet and our social circles have grown because of it.

Libraries aren&#039;t gone; they are just online.  Newspapers and magazines -- well, they aren&#039;t gone yet, but they are quickly being replaced by special-topic blogs and other dedicated websites.  And, unlike whatever search engine Stoll used, today&#039;s search engines are quite adept at finding relevant information (despite many greedy companies&#039; attempts to thwart that).

Basically, the more things change, the more they stay the same.  The internet has changed the world, but in many ways, it&#039;s still the same world, just done differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, many of his arguments are still valid.  It&#8217;s mostly a matter of how you look at it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, the Internet has been a technological revolution.  It changed the way we do business, learn, and communicate.  But has it eliminated teachers?  Hardly.  Sure, we may have fewer people in the classroom, but instead of teaching from a classroom, teachers make websites and videos.  Has it changed the way government works?  Not really.  Government is the same as it ever was, though it has a website and an email address now.</p>
<p>I remember the nay-sayers saying that computers and the internet were going to make us all anti-social.  That &#8220;virtual friends&#8221; were no replacement for &#8220;real friends&#8221;.  But social media has become the next big thing on the internet and our social circles have grown because of it.</p>
<p>Libraries aren&#8217;t gone; they are just online.  Newspapers and magazines &#8212; well, they aren&#8217;t gone yet, but they are quickly being replaced by special-topic blogs and other dedicated websites.  And, unlike whatever search engine Stoll used, today&#8217;s search engines are quite adept at finding relevant information (despite many greedy companies&#8217; attempts to thwart that).</p>
<p>Basically, the more things change, the more they stay the same.  The internet has changed the world, but in many ways, it&#8217;s still the same world, just done differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723204</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re on the right track here.  If you look at all the absurd hype in Wired over the years, this just seems like the flip side of the &quot;futurist&quot; argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re on the right track here.  If you look at all the absurd hype in Wired over the years, this just seems like the flip side of the &#8220;futurist&#8221; argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Von Haus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723205</link>
		<dc:creator>Von Haus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;think of your own experience: can you recall even one educational filmstrip of decades past? Iâ€™ll bet you remember the two or three great teachers who made a difference in your life.&quot;
I&#039;d say at least this part is fairly true, I&#039;m at uni so still in the education system, and even I don&#039;t really remember the countless videos and animations I&#039;ve been shown, while certain teachers have been massively influential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8220;think of your own experience: can you recall even one educational filmstrip of decades past? Iâ€™ll bet you remember the two or three great teachers who made a difference in your life.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;d say at least this part is fairly true, I&#8217;m at uni so still in the education system, and even I don&#8217;t really remember the countless videos and animations I&#8217;ve been shown, while certain teachers have been massively influential.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyOC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723718</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnnyOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but that&#039;s a snake eating it&#039;s own tail- we created the need in our false little world bubble.&quot;

You mean the same kind of bubble where we make kids learn how to read, write and do math? Technically that&#039;s also a &quot;false world bubble&quot; and not natural either but is still needed in this day and age (and in the past).


&quot;The true reality is that a planet of kids glued to computer screens and unable to function without a portable supplementary brain at their side is, in the long run, not healthy for anyone for a slew of reasons that should be obvious but apparently aren&#039;t.&quot;

I think you are a tad..blowing things out of proportion with that comment. True reality? Really? You mean...before the industrial age? Before agriculture? or when we were hunter gatherers in the ice age and our life expectancy with in the 20&#039;s? 

Also, what&#039;s wrong with supplementation or tools? Have fun trying to get to work without a car, or not using any medical advances in the last 100 years and &quot;keep it natural&quot; if you get a broken leg, or any other medical mishap.  I can show you as many ex. as you can that technology itself is enhancing and making kids smarter in a slew of different ways then without it.


&quot;It&#039;s like our industrial revolution- the &quot;obvious&quot; wisdom for a long time now has been that skills that get you far in this modern world are important, and archaic skills like knitting and farming are a waste of time.&quot; 

Basic skills will always exist and you&#039;re missing the forest for the trees. Go to somewhere like instructibles.com. Many of those tutorials help someone, knit a sweater, fix a clogged sink, bake a pie, change a car&#039;s oil. People HUNGER for learning new things, and not necessarily in a tech vein. Tech is just used to disseminate the info faster, easier, cheaper. 

&quot;I have no intention of raising a kid who only knows how to &quot;learn&quot; by watching a screen and hitting keys. Stubborn old luddite? We&#039;ll see in a few decades.&quot;

I concur. If all you think of technology is &quot;Watching a screen and hitting some keys&quot; I feel pretty sad for you. 

Tech can a be a boon to education but it&#039;s not a panacea. I would also teach a son to fish, fix a car, bake, fight, etc. I&#039;m just not afraid of technology turning my kid into a zombie. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but that&#8217;s a snake eating it&#8217;s own tail- we created the need in our false little world bubble.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean the same kind of bubble where we make kids learn how to read, write and do math? Technically that&#8217;s also a &#8220;false world bubble&#8221; and not natural either but is still needed in this day and age (and in the past).</p>
<p>&#8220;The true reality is that a planet of kids glued to computer screens and unable to function without a portable supplementary brain at their side is, in the long run, not healthy for anyone for a slew of reasons that should be obvious but apparently aren&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you are a tad..blowing things out of proportion with that comment. True reality? Really? You mean&#8230;before the industrial age? Before agriculture? or when we were hunter gatherers in the ice age and our life expectancy with in the 20&#8242;s? </p>
<p>Also, what&#8217;s wrong with supplementation or tools? Have fun trying to get to work without a car, or not using any medical advances in the last 100 years and &#8220;keep it natural&#8221; if you get a broken leg, or any other medical mishap.  I can show you as many ex. as you can that technology itself is enhancing and making kids smarter in a slew of different ways then without it.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s like our industrial revolution- the &#8220;obvious&#8221; wisdom for a long time now has been that skills that get you far in this modern world are important, and archaic skills like knitting and farming are a waste of time.&#8221; </p>
<p>Basic skills will always exist and you&#8217;re missing the forest for the trees. Go to somewhere like instructibles.com. Many of those tutorials help someone, knit a sweater, fix a clogged sink, bake a pie, change a car&#8217;s oil. People HUNGER for learning new things, and not necessarily in a tech vein. Tech is just used to disseminate the info faster, easier, cheaper. </p>
<p>&#8220;I have no intention of raising a kid who only knows how to &#8220;learn&#8221; by watching a screen and hitting keys. Stubborn old luddite? We&#8217;ll see in a few decades.&#8221;</p>
<p>I concur. If all you think of technology is &#8220;Watching a screen and hitting some keys&#8221; I feel pretty sad for you. </p>
<p>Tech can a be a boon to education but it&#8217;s not a panacea. I would also teach a son to fish, fix a car, bake, fight, etc. I&#8217;m just not afraid of technology turning my kid into a zombie. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: StRevAlex</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723207</link>
		<dc:creator>StRevAlex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;flip-side to futurism,&quot; while it seems a very quaint relic now, was probably something that we needed more of in the years before the dot-com bubble burst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;flip-side to futurism,&#8221; while it seems a very quaint relic now, was probably something that we needed more of in the years before the dot-com bubble burst.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyOC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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I&#039;d rather be courageous in speaking my thoughts in a public forum and having a chance to be wrong and also have the guts/flexibility to admit it down the road then being meek and not say a thing or be involved with the world at large at all.

It&#039;s all good. :)



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather be courageous in speaking my thoughts in a public forum and having a chance to be wrong and also have the guts/flexibility to admit it down the road then being meek and not say a thing or be involved with the world at large at all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all good. :)</p>
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		<title>By: straponego</title>
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		<dc:creator>straponego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was actually a common argument back then.  All the newspapers, Time, and Newsweek said the Internet would never take off-- but then, they had good reason to fear change.  John Dvorak was another major anti-Internet troll; I believe Pournelle was too.  As was Microsoft; MS did everything it could to smother the Internet in its crib.

Oddly enough, it&#039;s hard to find any of those articles online.

I, on the other hand, have unsent letters from 1991 hyping my friends on the net.  I told them that eventually everybody will be on it anyway, and you&#039;ll be able to buy every book, album, or whatever in the world at the best price... &quot;Yeah, whatever, you crazy nerd.&quot;  I wanted them to get email accounts because I was pretty good at writing letters, but I sucked at getting them mailed.  That&#039;s why I still have them.  Ah well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was actually a common argument back then.  All the newspapers, Time, and Newsweek said the Internet would never take off&#8211; but then, they had good reason to fear change.  John Dvorak was another major anti-Internet troll; I believe Pournelle was too.  As was Microsoft; MS did everything it could to smother the Internet in its crib.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, it&#8217;s hard to find any of those articles online.</p>
<p>I, on the other hand, have unsent letters from 1991 hyping my friends on the net.  I told them that eventually everybody will be on it anyway, and you&#8217;ll be able to buy every book, album, or whatever in the world at the best price&#8230; &#8220;Yeah, whatever, you crazy nerd.&#8221;  I wanted them to get email accounts because I was pretty good at writing letters, but I sucked at getting them mailed.  That&#8217;s why I still have them.  Ah well.</p>
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		<title>By: numcrun</title>
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		<dc:creator>numcrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent analysis of the article, thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: cowmix</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowmix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny because when I started my ISP in Phoenix back in Jan of &#039;93 I used to give every new customer a copy of The Cuckoo&#039;s Egg. I just of gave away 1000s of copies of that book.

Anyway, I read Silicon Snake Oil when it first came out and I just recently reread it. I have to say, he&#039;s definitely cranky in it but he make a ton of great points that hold up today. Over the past few years I&#039;ve donated a ton of time getting computers working in my kid&#039;s school and I have to say I walked away VERY anti-computers in early school experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny because when I started my ISP in Phoenix back in Jan of &#8217;93 I used to give every new customer a copy of The Cuckoo&#8217;s Egg. I just of gave away 1000s of copies of that book.</p>
<p>Anyway, I read Silicon Snake Oil when it first came out and I just recently reread it. I have to say, he&#8217;s definitely cranky in it but he make a ton of great points that hold up today. Over the past few years I&#8217;ve donated a ton of time getting computers working in my kid&#8217;s school and I have to say I walked away VERY anti-computers in early school experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: John Napsterista</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Napsterista</dc:creator>
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		<description>Stupefyingly short-sighted and breathtakingly unimaginative.  Should forevermore be required inspirational reading for ev&#039;ry wet behind the ears punk kid who&#039;s told something can&#039;t be done by some crusty, learned, credentialed old &quot;expert.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupefyingly short-sighted and breathtakingly unimaginative.  Should forevermore be required inspirational reading for ev&#8217;ry wet behind the ears punk kid who&#8217;s told something can&#8217;t be done by some crusty, learned, credentialed old &#8220;expert.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tillwe</title>
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		<description>I really like this comparison and the conclusion Ginshirou comes to. My own expirence with reading /Silicion Snake Oil/ (back in 1997 or so) was that I found it a bit luddistic/cultural-pessimistic, but also that it worked as a good counterweight to all the &quot;internet will solve all problems, the singularity is near&quot; stuff floating around at that time. Not that bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this comparison and the conclusion Ginshirou comes to. My own expirence with reading /Silicion Snake Oil/ (back in 1997 or so) was that I found it a bit luddistic/cultural-pessimistic, but also that it worked as a good counterweight to all the &#8220;internet will solve all problems, the singularity is near&#8221; stuff floating around at that time. Not that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Stoll may have missed the mark back then, but that hasn&#039;t kept him from staying current and fascinating. Here&#039;s a TED talk he gave a while back:

http://www.ted.com/talks/clifford_stoll_on_everything.html

Worth watching.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stoll may have missed the mark back then, but that hasn&#8217;t kept him from staying current and fascinating. Here&#8217;s a TED talk he gave a while back:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/clifford_stoll_on_everything.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/clifford_stoll_on_everything.html</a></p>
<p>Worth watching.</p>
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		<title>By: Angstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angstrom</dc:creator>
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		<description>I like these incorrect predictions of doom, because they help me through the times when all seems bleak.  Whenever I feel that oxygen will inevitably become copyright protected, that government will destroy our societies, or the internet will become a series of disconnected walled gardens ... at those times I remember that the internet will never work and the motorcar will never replace the horse and buggy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like these incorrect predictions of doom, because they help me through the times when all seems bleak.  Whenever I feel that oxygen will inevitably become copyright protected, that government will destroy our societies, or the internet will become a series of disconnected walled gardens &#8230; at those times I remember that the internet will never work and the motorcar will never replace the horse and buggy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Hell yes I can recall a great filmstrip. School-house rock!</description>
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		<title>By: gmoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmoke</dc:creator>
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		<description>Clifford Stoll spoke recently at Harvard Law School with Jonathan Zittrain.  You can hear their conversation at
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/mediaberkman/2010/02/08/cliff-stoll-and-jonathan-zittrain-on-when-countries-collide-online-internet-spies-cyberwar-and-government-skullduggery-audio/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford Stoll spoke recently at Harvard Law School with Jonathan Zittrain.  You can hear their conversation at<br />
<a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/mediaberkman/2010/02/08/cliff-stoll-and-jonathan-zittrain-on-when-countries-collide-online-internet-spies-cyberwar-and-government-skullduggery-audio/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/mediaberkman/2010/02/08/cliff-stoll-and-jonathan-zittrain-on-when-countries-collide-online-internet-spies-cyberwar-and-government-skullduggery-audio/</a></p>
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		<title>By: davebug</title>
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		<dc:creator>davebug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s re-run his &quot;does the Internet work&quot; test:

http://www.google.com/search?q=battle+of+trafalgar+date&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rlz=1R1GGLL_en

You might say Google fixed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s re-run his &#8220;does the Internet work&#8221; test:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=battle+of+trafalgar+date&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rlz=1R1GGLL_en" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=battle+of+trafalgar+date&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rlz=1R1GGLL_en</a></p>
<p>You might say Google fixed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as that goes, you need peer-reviewed material written by actual specialists.  Most of these that are found on the internet now, are, big surprise!, generally considered valuable enough to create a print copy. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as that goes, you need peer-reviewed material written by actual specialists.  Most of these that are found on the internet now, are, big surprise!, generally considered valuable enough to create a print copy. </p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Dodds </title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723231</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Dodds </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, a bit (!) short sighted, but the CD ROM being no match for a good teacher is always going to be true in certain circumstances. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, a bit (!) short sighted, but the CD ROM being no match for a good teacher is always going to be true in certain circumstances. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723232</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the arguments still stand (and are still argued over) today, regarding the trustworthiness of a publishing medium with no overarching standards body.  Wikipedia edit wars anyone?  Librarians in high schools these days specifically have to teach students how to judge the trustworthiness of data found online. 

As for his argument about the Internet&#039;s uselessness for sex, saying &quot;And whoâ€™d prefer cybersex to the real thing?&quot;, clearly the author did not consider the vast population of people who have difficulty getting laid in real life.  Not that I&#039;d know anything about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the arguments still stand (and are still argued over) today, regarding the trustworthiness of a publishing medium with no overarching standards body.  Wikipedia edit wars anyone?  Librarians in high schools these days specifically have to teach students how to judge the trustworthiness of data found online. </p>
<p>As for his argument about the Internet&#8217;s uselessness for sex, saying &#8220;And whoâ€™d prefer cybersex to the real thing?&#8221;, clearly the author did not consider the vast population of people who have difficulty getting laid in real life.  Not that I&#8217;d know anything about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Carnage</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723237</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Carnage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read his Cuckoo&#039;s Egg, back in the day. It was much ado about nothing. It was obvious that he thought the Internet was only fit for the techno-elite in ivory towers, not the hoi polloi. &quot;Silicon Snake Oil&quot; was nothing but a short-sighted screed by a bitter little man, who was afraid he was becoming obsolete, and could do nothing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read his Cuckoo&#8217;s Egg, back in the day. It was much ado about nothing. It was obvious that he thought the Internet was only fit for the techno-elite in ivory towers, not the hoi polloi. &#8220;Silicon Snake Oil&#8221; was nothing but a short-sighted screed by a bitter little man, who was afraid he was becoming obsolete, and could do nothing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-725030</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember watching the movie &quot;The Net&quot; at the time and thinking too myself: the Internet doesn&#039;t look like that. It consists of gray pages full of text and animated under construction signs.

Hollywood was taking its fanciful liberties again in the film by showing colorful pages with huge images. Pages that would take ages to download on a 14400 baud modem.
Six months later, the Internet caught up to the Hollywood vision, and then surpassed it.

With a major advancement being announced and deployed every two weeks at the time, things were moving so fast, it was impossible to make any accurate predictions into the future further than a few weeks. 

And as such, a lot of people were also scared. With no one really at the helm controlling all of this, the Internet was a very disruptive technology that could turn a lot of things on its head for better or worse.

But now that the internet is spelled with a lower case i, we can all sit back and have a good laugh about it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember watching the movie &#8220;The Net&#8221; at the time and thinking too myself: the Internet doesn&#8217;t look like that. It consists of gray pages full of text and animated under construction signs.</p>
<p>Hollywood was taking its fanciful liberties again in the film by showing colorful pages with huge images. Pages that would take ages to download on a 14400 baud modem.<br />
Six months later, the Internet caught up to the Hollywood vision, and then surpassed it.</p>
<p>With a major advancement being announced and deployed every two weeks at the time, things were moving so fast, it was impossible to make any accurate predictions into the future further than a few weeks. </p>
<p>And as such, a lot of people were also scared. With no one really at the helm controlling all of this, the Internet was a very disruptive technology that could turn a lot of things on its head for better or worse.</p>
<p>But now that the internet is spelled with a lower case i, we can all sit back and have a good laugh about it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Pantograph</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723497</link>
		<dc:creator>Pantograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had teachers that could have been replaced by a 5.25&quot; floppy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had teachers that could have been replaced by a 5.25&#8243; floppy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723242</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve bought several ACME Klein Bottles.  Beautiful topological 3D impression.  Pain to dust, though.

I even bought a jigsaw puzzle for a friends birthday that I used to have math games with.  They sent it mostly assembled, so I got to &#039;disassemble&#039; it.  I did also get him a completed bottle, to help guide him.

Even if you have no intention to buy one, the website is hilarious.  Google &#039;acme klein bottle&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve bought several ACME Klein Bottles.  Beautiful topological 3D impression.  Pain to dust, though.</p>
<p>I even bought a jigsaw puzzle for a friends birthday that I used to have math games with.  They sent it mostly assembled, so I got to &#8216;disassemble&#8217; it.  I did also get him a completed bottle, to help guide him.</p>
<p>Even if you have no intention to buy one, the website is hilarious.  Google &#8216;acme klein bottle&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: jafi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723243</link>
		<dc:creator>jafi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a couple of experiences I had in the early 90&#039;s time frame.
1. A heated argument with my graduate department to not invest in setting up Gopher servers  - just go ahead and do Web servers (this was right as Mosaic was being released). I won that one. 

2. A Western Engineering Consortium meeting I was at in the same general time frame.  
A media exec present said the Web was a &quot;fad&quot; that would pass, and only be used by the fringe.

I offered to make a bet with him for $10,000 that would not be the case. He declined:-) I then pointed out the same had been said about silent movies, radio, movies with sound, and TV. Wish I could remember the guy&#039;s name since he was so far out in the weeds. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a couple of experiences I had in the early 90&#8242;s time frame.<br />
1. A heated argument with my graduate department to not invest in setting up Gopher servers  &#8211; just go ahead and do Web servers (this was right as Mosaic was being released). I won that one. </p>
<p>2. A Western Engineering Consortium meeting I was at in the same general time frame.<br />
A media exec present said the Web was a &#8220;fad&#8221; that would pass, and only be used by the fringe.</p>
<p>I offered to make a bet with him for $10,000 that would not be the case. He declined:-) I then pointed out the same had been said about silent movies, radio, movies with sound, and TV. Wish I could remember the guy&#8217;s name since he was so far out in the weeds. </p>
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		<title>By: CANTFIGHTTHEDITE</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723245</link>
		<dc:creator>CANTFIGHTTHEDITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto.

It&#039;s always a disappointment when &quot;experts&quot; are unwilling to acknowledge their own potential, or inevitable, obsolescence in the face of the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always a disappointment when &#8220;experts&#8221; are unwilling to acknowledge their own potential, or inevitable, obsolescence in the face of the future.</p>
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		<title>By: mbaren</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723249</link>
		<dc:creator>mbaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I dunno.  I read &quot;Silicon Snake Oil&quot;, and I thought it was pretty good.  Yep - Stoll turned out to be mistaken about a lot of things, but one my biggest takeaways from that book was the argument that, in general, a &quot;technological&quot; experience such as email will never replace a human, physical experience, like giving someone a hug.  He himself also acknowledged, even within that kind of context, the message can sometimes outweight the medium, but his stance was that by-and-large it doesn&#039;t.  And I&#039;m not sure he was wrong on that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I dunno.  I read &#8220;Silicon Snake Oil&#8221;, and I thought it was pretty good.  Yep &#8211; Stoll turned out to be mistaken about a lot of things, but one my biggest takeaways from that book was the argument that, in general, a &#8220;technological&#8221; experience such as email will never replace a human, physical experience, like giving someone a hug.  He himself also acknowledged, even within that kind of context, the message can sometimes outweight the medium, but his stance was that by-and-large it doesn&#8217;t.  And I&#8217;m not sure he was wrong on that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Fleishman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723252</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Fleishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Cliff&#039;s High Tech Heretic from 1999, and it still rings true. You can raise money for computers in schools, but there are perishingly few measures of why we need them. Yes, for business education; but for everything else, teachers aren&#039;t trained to use them well to teach, students don&#039;t learn better or faster, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Cliff&#8217;s High Tech Heretic from 1999, and it still rings true. You can raise money for computers in schools, but there are perishingly few measures of why we need them. Yes, for business education; but for everything else, teachers aren&#8217;t trained to use them well to teach, students don&#8217;t learn better or faster, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: thebelgianpanda</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/curmudgeony-essay-on.html#comment-723769</link>
		<dc:creator>thebelgianpanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was gonna try to write something insightful or witty, but mostly I just want a tshirt that says:

&quot;I Roll With Stoll&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was gonna try to write something insightful or witty, but mostly I just want a tshirt that says:</p>
<p>&#8220;I Roll With Stoll&#8221;</p>
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